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Dr. Jon LaPook tells us the part we must all play to reduce our exposure to the virus and minimize its spread to others. The COVID-19 pandemic has created tremendous economic uncertainty. CBS News business analyst Jill Schlesinger talks with Michael Goodman, president of the investment management firm Wealthstream Advisors, about how people should strategize when considering dipping into their retirement savings. While stress and anxiety can drive us to take healthy precautions in trying circumstances -- like a pandemic -- our irrational fear can become dangerous when it goes off the rails. David Pogue talks to psychologists and researchers about how emotion, in contrast to facts, can steer our response to danger and the unknown. CBS News foreign correspondent Seth Doane is currently under quarantine at his home in Rome after being diagnosed with COVID-19. He speaks about how life has drastically changed in a country hard-hit by the virus, and how he and others struggle to maintain normalcy in an abnormal time.



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Learn more@edwardjones.com this CBS Sunday morning podcast is sponsored by Marquez by Goldman Sachs my portfolios diversified 401(k)s maxed my savings account just sat there till I switch to market by Goldman Sachs earning way more now between you and me my savings are right on track feel like I got upgraded again money with an online savings account the markets by Goldman Sachs. You can earn much more interest than the largest banks sign up@marcus.com compares me to the three largest things measured by total deposit rates as of January 21, 2020 maker by state Goldman Sachs bank USA number at the icy I would tell this is a very different Sunday starters, I'm filling in for Jane Paul, from what does the coronavirus outbreak is limited our ability to use our New York studios. Jane is just fine the way and this broadcast what exactly looks like your customary Sunday morning were all pretty much working from home just like the rest of America and her problems pale by comparison to the thousands of Americans already suffering from a box will begin this morning with the latest from Dr. John the then the subject is fee that most visceral of human reactions is front and center in times like this. Surprisingly, there is the subject of a school research so as will be hearing from David Poe in our cover story coronavirus fear is normal, even healthy right up to the point when it gets dangerous. Most of us don't have the expert knowledge is when we feel afraid, we engage in behaviors like putting on a mask that may not work. The fear is biasing our judgments in ways that are useful for rational and irrational sponsors to an invisible threat ahead on Sunday morning. Much as we might not want to think about it a rapid increase in coronavirus cases consume force doctors to make extremely difficult medical and ethical choices. As will be hearing from Ted cough. Hospitals are desperately short of ventilators and there's the number of covert, 19 patients rises that will lead to some hard decision. So you've got me in your hospital and you've got a 22-year-old both of us made the piece of equipment goats most younger person would be assigned later world men looking to return rental Ted, your God, yeah, that's the issue, who lives head on Sunday morning.

Rest assured, we are not devoting our entire broadcast tidings of disease and economic distress popstar Alicia Keys is releasing a book just in time for spring and she's talking about it with our Tracy Smith until she finally learned to live my life a lot time for ourselves specially now that we all have to business correspondent Joseph Lassiter adds up the many ways our economic life is changed in this very short unsettling. Time Seth don't is a most unusual postcard from Italy, Morocco, Texas to Ground Zero for this and every other epidemic in American history, New York's Bellevue Hospital plus suggestions on some distractions were considered while your home more all coming up in our Sunday morning podcast content do things the Sunday morning this virus disrupting all of our lives. First things first, here's Dr. John. I know this is time know you feel out of control. I know I don't. But there are things we can do together to help slow to celebrate it all centers around the concept of flattening the curve. What we mean by that early on in the epidemic you see a spike in cases you see here in yellow and when that happens, the healthcare system can get totally overwhelmed. Not enough health professionals. Not enough hospital beds, not enough medical equipment. If you can somehow do something to flatten Necker to just delay you see here in purple, then maybe the system won't get that huge pressure on it and it won't crack we do to do that was the things you been hearing proper hygiene washer has the 22nd. If you cough or sneeze cough into a tissue or the crook of your arm and then there's this social distancing that basically just means staying away from each other. Is there evidence that it works absolutely places like China and South Korea were seeing it work, but in order for it to work. We have to all together. We have to all do it everywhere we have to do with right now not in the month.

We may still be doing but absolutely right now.

Now we know that the most vulnerable population of people who are elderly with serious underlying condition. But now we learned in the last week. The people in their 20s, 30s and 40s also get very ill and even if they don't get very sick miles and no symptoms other. This is no time to be selfish yet.

Think about your parents or grandparents. We have to listen to our public health officials and absolutely follow their advice to the letter.

No exceptions. No time like this. I worry about when were distancing ourselves physically from each other how we stay together emotionally there ever was a time to pick up the phone and just contact somebody else is now in your community.

Other people out there in nursing homes and other places that you could call and we have to think out of the box. When Broadway theaters were closed, my friends, producer James Wesley as husband existence after death. He said the show must go on so they can live performance by Broadway stars and other painters right from their home. Last week was opening night with Tony award winner Kelly O'Hara and finally I just want to remind people that even though this is a very bumpy road will have a beginning, middle and remember that a percent of cases are relatively mild lots of really smart people everywhere around the globe are working on this. Try to come up with vaccines and drugs. We are going to get through this. It's going to be a bumpy ride but were going to get through it together. See, it's a basic truly primal instinct proof the way most of us feel right now and it to his contagious cover story this morning is reported by David Poe, Julie Brightman has been my friend and neighbor for over 50, but I've never seen her like this. I'm very upset about this upset. I watch the news around the clock and that's all I think about is it right. It tears it has like everybody else. She's doing everything in their power to avoid getting infected by the 2020 coronavirus. I never touched a doorknob, her hand on my boots are all worn out and tell your flushing toilets with your foot always, always, all here's your bunker like so many other Americans, Julie has stocked up on supplies. She's even made her own stylish facemasks to protect me cover from the top to the bottom.

Even before the coronavirus was considered a pandemic. Julie was taking all the rational recommended steps, but fear is also making rational, sometimes dangerous panic buying toilet people looking Asian.

This is amazing. Buying unproven home remedies, and considering gargling with bleach, but we're supposed to be the rational role were supposed to be the rational animal but there's a lot going on in your head on your conscious radar. David, the steno is a psychology professor at Northeastern University who studied how here can drive us batty under what circumstances did your brains run away here, so they run away with the fear if we don't have accurate information like that guy over there on the subway. He looks like he sneeze Mikey sweaty does he have the coronavirus or not. I don't know when you don't know the information it gives a lot more range for your emotions to fill in the blank right so so Mr. Spock from Star Trek, he would have an accurate assessment of the virus risk. Yes, you have accurate assessment virus risk stress is really there to biologically and mentally and physically help us respond to stress and to help us adapt and survive in the world. Regina Sinha is a Yale psychiatry professor and director of the Gail interdisciplinary stress center.

She says that three factors can make fear spiral out of control.

The first is an unpredictable right right and the second is if it's uncontrollable okay and as if it sustained and chronic.

So how then does this virus fit into these three categories. Yes, so unfortunately we have all three classes of all problematic stress you mentioned this issue of control so is there a sense that some of the wilder things that people are doing gargling with bleach spraying Chinese looking people in the subway are our people trying to get control absolutely legal to the extreme. Sometimes, to gain control to have a sense that that we can do something about a lot of naps I laid on my phone. Whatever I mark Jorgensen was a passenger on the diamond Princess cruise ship that quarantined its passengers for two weeks in Japan so how was your cruise. That was like at some point Mark and his wife got the virus he is now quarantined at his home in St. George Utah. I have never had and continue to not have likable but Jorgensen and his wife have experienced irrational fear in another form hostile comments online from other people. What sorts of things were people saying out there just let's find out where he is. Go get them, let's go back to St. George regretted gorging. They were threatening with the amount of generated I should have known that some people like: often the way people react here is get angry now can help heal our brains involves to respond to dangers that we sense around us, but the steno says were now sensing danger around the clock, breaking news on coronavirus on our screens thing that dad thing we want to be informed, but we can use software update rate, our brain has evolved to be able to adjust for seeing in the media versus what's really in our local environment.

Unfortunately, she didn't die first. It doesn't help that virus movies like contagion outbreak likes of which we painted a horrific picture in our minds and social media like Facebook and Twitter only make matters worse, we know that emotions are contagious on social media.

Everybody's talking about the threat of coronavirus not only might I think that's more frequent but I'm to see that fear as a rational sink signal from them and is going to make me want to respond accordingly, the elderly, Dr. Albert code is the department chair of epidemiology at the Gail School of Public Health. I asked him to help us distinguish rational responses from the irrational ones.

So can you get it from a package sent from time no okay can you get from sweat. No, right and just lasting ways to kill it soap and water. Seven. What is the best. Okay, hand sanitizer, but it has to have more than 60% alcohol X.

Certainly not.

So this is a virus.

Antibiotics work against fungi and bacteria. So antibiotics will work. Remember stress, anxiety and fear can be useful. They can drive us to taking healthy actions. The trick is to recognize when our fear has gone off the rails and become dangerous because as Prof. DeSanto says now are in a perfect storm of the all feel anxious because most of us can't think like epidemiologists must Think statistically and so that tears filling in the blanks and making a think everything is more dangerous. Perhaps no country has been hit harder by covered 19 in Italy, home Sunday mornings sets down his prepared what may be our most unusual Sunday morning postcard ever. First, we watched Wuhan, MD at streets and it felt so far away and it was the canals of Venice peanuts is of Rome empty to now across the world. The odd concept of quarantine has become surprisingly familiar. My husband Andrea and I have been locked in for nearly 2 weeks in Rome. Authorities all the way there only way to give me a test been keeping a journal on my phone after being exposed, and then testing positive for the coronavirus well I got the news tonight that I was hoping not to get for me. The symptoms of been manageable, which is fortunate hospital systems have been well doctors have been forced to prioritize patients in the ICU and funeral announcements have field newspapers on the horrible my dealing with okay relatively I'll be fine.

But this idea of possibly passing along is the worst. Like so many around the world.

Now we stay in working from home, relying on the kindness of others shopping press Italians invented again come up with the action fitting for our time. This is becoming very cool evening tradition singing distance empty streets and squares sound all of the unpleasantness of all these people in these big cities around Italy cooped up at home and something to look forward to having this unimaginable tragedy.

Dave found humor and have highlighted the gastronomic possibilities of quarantine or foodie cameraman shares meals virtually in this country which is been shut down. TiVo now by video chat. Dinner is to, as we search for ways to keep our human connection with fatalities here mounting by the hour. This virus is reminding us of what's important the chance to step out of the terrace on a sunny day, and this being Italy the Dr. following our case is promised to cook us dinner.

When this is all over, we move on now to your financial well-being. As you well know, that's yet another scary reality for many of us in recent weeks we've asked our Jill's messenger to calm the waters trite at Katz's delicatessen on New York's Lower East side they've been slicing the corn beef and pastrami for 132 years. Listen, we've gone through everything we've seen depressions and hurricanes and blackouts, terrorist attacks, and we been here through all that we we never close but now the chairs are stacked on the tables.

Katz's like most restaurants across the country is prohibited from ceding diners and blintzes are only available to go my 90-year-old mother Jake. Dale is the third-generation owner of Katz's desperately trying to keep his 200 workers busy and more importantly to keep paying them leaders. For example, are doing deliveries are working on crowd control busboys that have sit on clean tables right now so I'm having them do prep work. Basically everyone is an all hands on deck and would take it one day at a time. Alfredo Fernandez has put his knife to work at Katz's 14 years I'm concerned about this.

At least Katz's is still open as the global economy enters an unprecedented shutdown, just look around. Major league sports have left the field, factories, and shopping malls are shuttered.

The lights of gone dark on Broadway and the curtain has come down for Manhattan's independent theaters like the magnet theater. I'm sitting here in an empty theater and attempt every night were shut down New York City. A shut down after Ed Herbst been cofounded the magnet which is dedicated to improv. He remembers the good old days like a week and 1/2 about.

We were booming 35 to 40 shows a week, back to back each night.

The magnet has 50 employees that the damage goes beyond those 50 there's a web of companies and workers that supply everything from utilities to T-shirts to beer, they'll all feel the impact of the theaters closing. I'm worried about the future place, one word about the future of the city look back in your life you live through a lot of different shaky economic periods this. Feels to you today versus what you seen in the past to me. I think this is the most nerve-racking Joseph Stiglitz won the Nobel Prize for economics in 2001 and is a professor at Columbia University. This is totally different were were shutting down the economy to protect her health. Stiglitz believes that the pre-virus economy was one where too many were left exposed were both families and businesses alike were at risk if conditions soured the. The event many of her household were living at the edge. The average amount in the bank. No 50%, 70% of Americans have is 500 odd thousand dollars. On the other side businesses a bit really foolish taking on debt as if no storms ever going to hit.

We always know that there's going to be some storms that would really really foolish pushed the idea old efficiency in a narrowminded sense to far we've run a whole economy that way.

No extra hospital beds fine as long as you don't have a crisis like the current one we developed a system without resilience in which we left large numbers of Americans extraordinary vulnerable health pandemic and economic and the world is waiting for governments to respond here in the US reserve has cut interest rates near zero to help consumers and businesses access to cheaper loans and it's also taking action to keep the nation's financial planning unclog the same time, the trumpet ministration and Congress are nearing an agreement to make $1 trillion available to help large corporations and small businesses and another half $1 trillion per household, amounting to one to $3000 pending on the size of the family income level statement says it's a start. The idea of sending checks, not a one time event you are advocating something different. Can you explain what if we knew this was going to be a three week event. I want to inject refined gives us over the hump and were on, but biologists are not sure how long it's going to take the best estimate is months and that means a lot of people really are anxious and and knowing that if this price is last for three months. The be another check will thousand dollars for three months, so we really need to give them the assurance that long is this last W check coming should be concerned at all about spending this money. The answer is no limit when we went to World War II.

We didn't ask you for it.

We had to do it.

We need to do it. Can we afford it.

Yes, we have enormous resources so your clients freaking out right now.

Michael will some of our clients are definitely on edge. Michael Goodman is the president of well stream advisors of financial planning and investment management firm is a pretty scary time. Of course it would never want to discount that there are client so I read surprised to see that are anxious to put some money into the market. It's been a frightening ride for investors. Stocks have plunged more than 30% over the past five weeks ending the longest bull market on record. But despite the market turmoil.

Goodman says that even for a person nearing retirement now is not the time to get out if I'm 16 years old and I plan on retiring when I'm 70 make any changes right now. If you're 60, and you're not to beer time for another 10 years.

In these times, there's this temptation to make adjustments as scary as this is much as we don't know the bottom to this market average recovery is typically somewhere around 24 months. Whether you're an investor or not. Goodman says now is an important moment to take stock of your financial situation.

I think the thing that people should be focusing on right now is making sure that they understand what their personal obligations are. Over the next several months. They feel that they can get through that this will pass.

It will be damaged because of it and we will rebuild and grow back.

Done this before. I don't fully fit under the bed. You back at the magnet theater there trying to get through it all.

By experimenting like some of their big-league colleagues with putting performances online the theater dedicated to improv is well improvising as we all are, what we do is we train people to deal with the fact that everything is uncertain. It's improvising were constantly saying calm down, take a breath.

Don't try to plan, try to react and now were doing that for real. In real life.

This is intelligence matters with former acting Dir. of the CIA. Michael Morel bridge Colby is cofounder and principal of the Marathon initiative project focused on developing strategies to prepare the United States for an era of sustained great power competition states put our mind to something, we can usually figure it out what people are saying and what we can know analytically and empirically as our strategic situation or motor situations not being matched up with follow. Intelligence matters were ever you get your podcasts. Our hospitals are, of course, on the front lines during this pandemic and perhaps no hospital has seen more for a longer period of time than the legendary Bellevue Hospital in New York City. Our history lesson comes from Barack's if you want to tell the story of America through its chronology of health crises, then there's no better setting than Bellevue Hospital. The Irish come first and they allegedly bring with them. Cholera and typos than the Germans and the Jews, and tuberculosis becomes the big disease Pulitzer Prize winner David Olshansky is the author of a book about the story New York City hospital. This is tuberculosis bell here with famous words and the belief was that fresh air help would have dozens of people out of snow and in the 1980s Bellevue was Ground Zero. During the AIDS epidemic. More patients with AIDS come to Bellevue and more patients with AIDS die Bellevue in the treatment of AIDS patients is a story of struggle and heroism, and eventually helping to turn a deadly disease into a treatable want with Kovic 19 patients expected to fill the city's hospitals. Bellevue and its doctors will once again be on the frontlines that Bellevue has confronted so many crises isn't surprising found in the 1730s is America's oldest public hospital, meaning all are welcome. Regardless of condition or ability to pay.

Bellevue returns no one away from me that has always been the mantra Bellevue Hospital and they come to Bellevue knowing that they will be created and they will be welcomed and it's because Bellevue has always taken in the worst of the worst cases that it's drawn the best of the best in medicine, consider the case of Alexander Anderson, Bellevue's first doctor in the six weeks of the great yellow fever epidemic Alexander Anderson lost his son to yellow fever his wife to yellow fever.

His mother and father and brother to yellow fever and he largely stayed the course because he believed it was God's will that he helped these people and to me Alexander Anderson is really only Bellevue's first doctor, but he sets down the notion in the throes of compassion, Dr. Susan Cohen, the current director of palliative care at Bellevue carries on that tradition. See, every emotion, every facet of the human condition and tumbling as is the scale of the place school that the court down there is a hospital there is everything Bellevue Bellevue was the first hospital to have a civilian ambulance Corps. They will like they were horse driven, they can move incredible speed. Bellevue story can also be told through a remarkable run of medical milestones. The first nursing school. The first departments of forensics and pediatrics. The first maternity ward. If I may.

Bellevue is on the cutting edge when it comes to circumcision. It is Lewis Sayer really did the first medical circumcisions. These were obscure religious rituals until this time. Yet for all its breakthroughs.

Bellevue became infamous for its psychiatric wing. The very name of byword for insanity. That's because of this woman, Nelly Bly was the great daredevil female reporter. She was the one who when Jules Vern rode around the world in 80 days Nelly Bly went around the world. Bly was writing for Joseph Pulitzer's New York world when she went undercover in 1887 to report on the city's psychiatric hospitals. Nelly Bly made like she was crazy. She basically had a fake break down the George center to Bellevue Hospital. From there she was sent to a state mental hospital on Blackwell's Island, where the treatment she witnessed was barbaric, chronicled in 10 days in a madhouse, a sensational exposé that became a best-selling book. Once that comes out Bellevue in the public mind is really linked almost forever with insanity and mental well Bellevue became a punchline, as in this from the honey where to the movies Bellevue is where Chris Pringle was sent along 34th St. and a host of real life writers and artists spent time in the hospital psych ward O. Henry O. Henry center Bellevue Stephen Forster my old Kentucky home.

Stephen Foster is correct. Let Bill lose legend Leadbelly even wrote a song about his stay in the hospital and you will and singer John Lennon was brought here after he was shot along with his assassin and one of the great ironies of the story Mark Chapman was being examined by psychiatrists. Probably 100 feet away from where John Wenham's body was more, but it was the 1989 murder at Bellevue of Dr. Catherine Hinnant that shook the institution to which core almost man who had been living illegally in Bellevue Hospital killed a pregnant pathologist in her office and it caused absolute Führer and Bellevue really had to decide at that moment. Are we a hospital that provides emergency services to everybody or we a bus station in the end security was ramped up and Bellevue did not abandon its mission as a public hospital. Dr. Susan Cohen has been at the hospital for 12 years.

I love the people I love the patients and 11 you have to want to be here to be here if it's not the right fit for you shouldn't be here.

Bellevue remains important because it is the bellwether. It is the place that takes and people often go nowhere else. They have a medical issue, it will be taken care of with great care and compassion over the course of the morning. We have some ideas about ways to fill those hours were spending we begin with movies lots of movies David Edelstein is just the tick hi hello I met a theater because it's empty because they all are, which is my subject you're at home climbing the walls and you can't cope out to the movies. The good news is when I was a kid yet, six channels, one of them was all Kendall pins for cash now scream anything on demand. We have no no vexing people I know are watching pandemic contagion outbreak don't just go you should watch them in January when you could've done something maybe now you're just torturing yourself. This does raise an issue which is do you want to escape the world or use this occasion when you have time then social distance or learn a little more about how the world actually is. Yeah me too.

I want to escape but there's only so many times I can watch stepbrothers so I watched Turner classic movies PCM and I got a subscription to the criterion channel gorgeously restored world classics. The lien chaplain city lights or Ingmar Bergman's little-known masterpiece shame with leave Allman and the great Max fun Cito who just left us, which shows how war and its terrors can make us less than human. So will try so much harder to be more you can binge.

Of course, catch up on better call Saul or Star Trek card which I love to bits the Patrick Stortz Jean-Luc has gotten a tad mushy in his old age, it's on CBS All Access which I paid for by the way, like you do and it's a lot every month. Amazon, Hulu, Netflix. I've had to switch to cheaper brands of booze, but what I can to watch is so much more exciting yet close relationship with her excuse me, I love seeing feelings like a lost girl is on Netflix about the messed up investigation of the Long Island serial killer Amy Ryan exceptionally fine as the desperate mother of a vanished talent for holding grudges and less you help me I'm going to raise more housing you can handle. What about the big fast food franchise movies postponed daters that were supposed to show a quiet place to really quiet but more and more smaller maybe worthier first run films will soon be stream up this week universal put out three the invisible man. The hunt one that's actually worth it. Emma Jane Austen's 19th-century heroine is played by the marvelous Anya Taylor Joy was a wide apart eyes make it look as if her thoughts are traveling across hemispheres. Perfect for a young woman who knows everything until she realizes she knows nothing. She learns empathy which we all need right now and we will find perhaps with the help of works of art like these, we will come out wiser, more human, and yes more neurotic the other day I swear I was watching a movie where a guy coughed and I flinched and I wiped off the screen with sanitizer if I had any one way or another.

The pressure shows who lives and who docs in this time of medical crisis is hardly an academic question and did something Sunday morning, Senior contributor Ted Koppel has been pondering these are dark, escalating demand, diminishing resources to get a sense of where we may be headed.

We have only to look theirs is one of the oldest populations in the world which partially explains this rate that is now close to 10% in the North's Lombardi medical system is overwhelmed.

Too few hospital beds, not enough go masks desperate shortage of ventilators you've seen what's happened and work continues to happen in Italy.

Yeah, Dr. Maria, Raven's chief of emergency medicine at the University of California San Francisco hospital. You've got me on a one gurney got a 25-year-old on another gurney you've only got one ventilator for the two of us who gets the answer and we when he is here to follow principles from a specialty like transplant is that people that have more life years might get the ventilator there are also many other assertive principles that underlie the decision-making you have to take into consideration underlying illnesses that people might have. And you also have to take into consideration if there are other temporizing measures that you can use and one person said that maybe you after all you would have to need and later immediately Marie Marie Taft answer. I want to necessarily think they have anything noncircular to rupture one of the planning to put out.

The guidelines will be waiting for actually working working on right now these are terrible decisions to leave in the hands of doctors on the front line ones actually treating patients well. There are certain situations, relatively few catastrophic events that entirely overwhelm our ability to to do was write. He was one of those Dr. Thomas Kirsch's emergency physician sounding the alarm. He was afraid that what he confronted in Haiti in the aftermath of that country's earthquake a decade ago desperate shortages of medical supplies, equipment, personnel could soon face offs here and I was the same thing at face when I was in Haiti is about the most difficult decision to make. Still choking up all these years later one question you think after 10 years it's such a difficult decision.

There are guidelines New York State put out a massive thoughtful set in 2015. The Italians have drafted a set based on their current experience but every hospital follows. Essentially its own guidelines with trying to see the greatest number of lives possible in some cases these guidelines would really shift the way we work and those patients and doctors and families in the terrible position of saying we can't do what you would want Dr. Tio Powell is director of bioethics at Montefiore Medical Center in New York, and the basic goal is to divide people into three large categories one lucky group maybe 1111 very mild case you might feel miserable you not endanger the group that you're looking for in the hospital is the group is very sick and it actually may die without critical care resources. If we can get this resources in a good chance of pulling through third group is the most unlucky.

That's people with a terrible prognosis. People for whom even with critical care resources chance of surviving terrible untruths mother term that you will happily you were talking about aggression, rationing angry.

Everybody tries to avoid that word. I would actually like people to understand what may be coming. What will happen. What is most likely to happen is that persons of pool persons who are racial ethnic minorities are less likely to get ventilators than those who are wealthy and well-connected.

David Williams is a professor at the Harvard School of Public Health and what makes it even more challenging is that we have just talked about the other ones who begin this process being because they have these more likely to face chronic ongoing stress soars in multiple domains of their lives. So we're looking at those most in need be most likely to be, we have to keep trying and doing things so is it likely that people will die from lack of access to ventilators probably does that mean as an individual patient likely to die. No, because were not trying so I understand why you're fighting me on this. You don't want to lift anybody believe that the medical community is just give up and I'm not suggesting that you will but I am suggesting in the strongest terms that we don't have adequate supplies to meet the likely you don't think that's an untrue statement given my knowledge of the situation is not on per statement, but I'm not a supply guy.

Dr. do you think the public is adequately informed about why not. I don't think healthcare community is adequately informed and I think you know experts have been working on this, but now it is really a realistic possibility and its realistic possibility. Not any year but soon I never thought I would see this day. When I play fair, but realistically many many health professionals are part of our preparing to do justice is a time for family and friends and staying close to home. No one knows that better yet as you can see I am here in quarantine or is it on quarantine.

I'm hearing normally look like. This quarantine is kind of you know affected my. I find this is what I hear with my family in our apartment for six decades six days six days lunch, breakfast, trying to use this time to reconnect with my wife and our beautiful four children by one of them short, honestly in February when I heard rumors about hypotheticals must be quarantined in our apartments and houses with her.

I was mostly worried about being Shakespeare wrote King Lee while he was on quarantine during the black plague.

Here's what I I'm not I'm not creative production. None know King Lear. You know what I also realize that Shakespeare probably if he was drinking when he was in his family is really look at maybe canceling Shakespeare. This is all these movies and shows about post-apocalyptic times were wrong. There was not enough emphasis on toilet paper. No shows and movies.

I don't know what some people are doing the paper if they're eating some people should probably get some roughage this thing I've realized is I love the thank God for the Internet has been an invaluable tool for communication and also for creative outlet for not just me but also my family with every night. We do this to Joe: dinner with the Gaffigan and to be honest, that show brings my family together and maybe makes us not kill each other.

Anyway, I love you Internet window that article go and finally I learned it's possible for one the two weeks of food for seven people be safe everyone formulated this morning. A note on what's on all of Armagh.

No world is not a big blue marble sure feels more fragile than as we sit here, continents, countries, time zones and ZIP Codes all blurred into a single global community.

What used to worry us now feels almost embarrassingly trivial.

We care more about like some social media. Social responsibility.

We were concerned about streaming our movies, not the lines of homeless streaming out of shelters. We tended to look at our phones more than one social distancing without even knowing what that really what it's not so long ago strange that were all craving human connection.

Now that we can't have that connection for a while.

The joy of breaking bread with friends or raising a glass of the bar or kneeling together in worship is been replaced with empty check and keep you those in their golden years, the ones who thought that they had seen everything. Never thought they'd see the day where they can visit with their kids and grandkids.

All because a reassuring hug may put them at risk. Even the loved ones of those who have die can't come together in any great numbers quarantine tears, but in all of the separation we are still connected what our better angels are whispering.

We truly have to go out of our way to be uncaring in these uncertain times for once road to kindness and compassion is actually easier we can now see clients of our neighbors. The bus driver of the cab driver. Anyone who had been forgot all views that perhaps use to secure hustle and bustle of our lives before for anyone wanting a reset to get back to what matters most.

The heart of the human condition. This maybe that moment a test to see if love really does conquer role no world is not in stead. We just might be getting a new start. I we can help you stay safe and healthy. These uncertain days unfold and join us when our trumpet sounds again next Sunday will take you with agent Gary this week. Stephen Long live Mitch McConnell in one of Washington's biggest midterm monument list for me to Senate races you think Republicans have the best chance of taking a democratic seed with Nevada not Georgia. Georgia is right up there with New Hampshire surprise New Hampshire people really just kind of don't like you have for more from this week's conversation followed the take-out with Maj. Garrett on Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts