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Companies large and small, and private individuals who've never sewn a button, are volunteering to make masks and personal protective gear. Retired Gen. Stanley McChrystal; Dr. Penny Wheeler of Allina Health; and Father Joseph McShane of Fordham University discuss the traits of an effective leader during a crisis many are comparing to war. The handshake -- It's a ritual for etiquette, business and personal relationships that we take for granted … and it's something we've all of a sudden had to learn NOT to do. ] Tony-winning actor, Nathan Lane, best known for comedies such as "The Producers" and "The Birdcage" now stars in a noir TV murder mystery tinged with the supernatural: "Penny Dreadful: City of Angels."




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I think the strange thing about leadership is leadership begins the minute you say that you're looking to learn your loss.

The Jesuit Pres. before the University, the CEO of an enormous healthcare system and the return of four-star general who ram special operations forces around the world reflect on the nature of leadership coming up this Sunday morning with Broadway theaters dark for the duration.

Veteran actor Nathan Lane is glad to have a television premier to look forward to as he'll be telling Martha Tatian or people come to see historian Albert Goldman to support the Dragon equation seedless display Max Bialystok Broadway producer. All characters Nathan Lane this not been inactive for 45 years. I'm glad your entertainment laughing. But you know I was acting, then to I'm not really Max Bialystok you're not know Nathan Lane as you've never seen him later on Sunday morning.

Remember the good old days when we could actually shake hands maracas certainly does. It's a ritual we take for granted our data and it's something we've all of a sudden had to learn not to do. Is it possible that the handshake is dead the end of the handshake on Sunday morning with facemasks in high demand. Lee Cowan provides a stitch in time, Knighton offers a stay-at-home tour of our national parks. Rita braver as our guide to museums online Jim Gaffigan updates us on his families life in quarantine plus thoughts for Easter and Passover from Cardinal Timothy Dolan did others on this Sunday morning April 12, 2020 will be right. First things first. We heard all kinds of numbers about the coronavirus this past week some hopeful many disheartening and then there's the toll on the economy more than 6 1/2 million people added to the nation's jobless roles last week.

Dr. John the Polk and money correspondent Jill's lessons are have been tracking the numbers we begin with Dr. LiPuma. We all love for there to be a miracle cure for covert by team. There are many talented researchers and pharmaceutical companies were working around the clock to find effective therapy, but as we do that it's important that we embrace science. What I mean by that. Take hydroxychloroquine for example, hydroxychloroquine has shown promise we coronavirus. It's been in the news a lot lately.

That's the drug it's been used for decades to treat conditions like malaria or autoimmune diseases like lupus and rheumatoid arthritis.

A few small studies have looked at whether it's also effective in treating covert, 19, and the results have been mixed. So with no proven therapies available. Where does that leave health professionals like me. That's where science comes in, we learned, you need to do well-controlled rigorous studies to figure out whether drug works and whether the benefits outweigh the risks. But the clock is ticking and patients are dying and doctors like me want to do something right now.

Before those clinical trials are completed that the friction between well-controlled studies and was called empiric therapy basically trying something to see if it works, and right now we're seeing a lot of per therapy around the country.

Clinicians are throwing the kitchen sink at Coburg 19 because patients are so sick, so patients will often receive a cocktail of medications including hydroxychloroquine, but also perhaps other experimental drugs to see doesn't work with nothing else available.

It's a reasonable thing to do.

But as we do this we must also do the best possible clinical trials.

So were relying on data not belief.

What's wrong with a Pyrrhic therapy, especially if the patient is getting better. The problem is you can't know whether drug works and let you compare it to something else.

That means seeing if patients who get the drug do better than those not getting and at what stage in the infection doesn't work the best. Mild illness. Severe illness cannot perhaps prevent infection and people have been exposed to the virus.

Although studies are going on right now and as always we have to be on the lookout for side effects. Hydroxychloroquine, for example, can rarely cause a serious irregular heartbeat in patients with autoimmune disease. It's only rare, but perhaps that risk will go up in patients who also infected with Coburg 19 and or taking other medications will it's likely that that risk can be significantly lowered by carefully monitoring those patients in a controlled study by picking up the side effect early.

Here's my bottom line. There are many potential therapies under development and were rooting for them all.

The reality of treating very sick patients is that we clinicians want to try something, even if were not sure it works. But this is no time to abandon the scientific method of doing careful research and if we continue to embrace science or best guesses just made more into effective therapies. This is Jill's lesson care with the growing financial disaster for small business owners. These are my kids in memory of my father like Jack Garnet was made a business out of tattoos. Now this is like my animal sections not putting tattoos on take your pants off taking them all. I had other work here that I had removed so I as a customer started looking at removal and I just hated everything about it. So in 2012. His wife opened a laser tattoo removal shop and soon expanded to six locations with eight employees in the New York area. Then the virus hit.

I did keep employees on his orders occurred but then it did come to a point where I just had some luck would have to temporarily let you go Dr. Veronique Baptiste Jermaine launched her eye care business 17 years ago when noted at the central care workers when they've asked us to postpone routine care and just do urgent cases or office is now only open for limited hours on Saturdays.

That means part-time work for two of her employees and furloughs for the other two. They understand that there is nothing coming in and I can see patients with can be hard for me to pay them and they also understand have to pay rent at the nurturing a group of six. Montessori childcare centers in Florida and New York. They've gone from 150 students just six keeping one center open for children of essential workers like nurses and doctors co-owner Breanna Manahan says they're still paying their 47 employees for now.

Our goal has been to keep them on payroll working from home as fast as you can and many of them are helping us create online learning for infants and toddlers which is a challenge in itself. Just over half of all American workers are employed by small businesses. That is, companies with 500 workers or fewer expected health crisis is not any of the small business is ring have disaster contingency don't have Plan B. Alyssa Bart is a vice president at a New York nonprofit that helps small businesses get financing. What is a need right now I need access to capital immediately all week*mindset waiting for their bank account because they have bills to pay again yesterday and agrees to keep on payroll. I think possibly can. Many are counting on the $350 billion in small business administration loans that are part of the $2.2 trillion care is act because of surging demand. Lawmakers are working to add another $250 billion to the program is actually critical. I don't see a lot of businesses surviving without the help. The problem is how far is that helping to go because that money is going to go very quickly. Sometimes that's only two months rent. The government is offering $10,000 disaster loans which are made directly by the small business administration. There's also that paycheck protection program to help companies retain workers pay for some additional expenses like rent and utilities which can be forgiven to access this money.

Owners have to go through banks.

It's been a frustrating process so far.

For many employers and we have not heard back from the application process and in the second option is a payroll protection loan so that we actually haven't even been able to apply for yet so I reached out to my bank and they basically send an email saying that they don't really have anything in place.

Yet they have gotten instruction we reached out to the SBA about the logjam they were unwilling to provide any official to offer an explanation. The need is urgent. US Chamber of Commerce says that almost 1/4 of the country. Small businesses say they will close permanently within two months without a financial lifeline. Dr. Jermaine speaks for many, seeing tough times ahead. I'm hoping I'll be able to keep it open, but I can't.

You know, there's a big uncertainty there. So that's and it's unnerving. You know, because I really don't know some of the best weapons against covert, 19 turn out to be a needle and thread as Lee Cowan now shows us pitching in mean stitching counted from across Casco Bay South Freeport Maine is always God's quaint and virus free.

But it's I would streets deserted docs with different threat. Coburg 19 consumers think is Maine's famous fall yet the wind the phone and something else to generosity.

The blackwatch plaid there with her my son's bedroom and when he saw everything that was going on in his only six and he said mommy I think somebody needs it more than I do.

Bolts of fabric and other materials and showing up. Northfield Main ever since.

Word spread that over the longer stitching for you, but making I came into the shop one morning and there was a Ziploc baggies stuffed in the door with about 20 feet of elastic that someone had in their drawer and and they said we hope you can use this. He and his partner Karen Haley started making masks long before the CDC recommended wearing. Now everyone wants to help, including one family doesn't even know how to so she and her husband and daughter have been putting out pieces at home and I dropped the bag often trade another bank out of of cut pieces or social town, New Jersey pretty good on the deliver had made masks just ask Sandy Meg. This is my pineapple one.

He started making them in her spare bedroom for chemotherapy patients can't get their lifesaving treatments without them you never sewed for your confidence in your community. I had the strangest people donate money and fabric into my ex-husband gave me money for South pitching Ed defined an epidemic with needle and thread sounds familiar.

Well it shook the AIDS Memorial quilt help raise awareness and a lot of money square feet at a time during World War II. Uncle Sam's need with needle mostly for victory everywhere with Delano Roosevelt helping set the example for that generation and perhaps today to fill up the responsibility. Absolutely affiliates or responsibility is responsibility and it's an honor party is with her company more than a century old train Red Cross work to cut fabric for garments and outfitted our troops during both world wars or one we made the trousers for our soldiers know we move into World War II and most people don't know we made the jungle suits for the Marines who fought in the Pacific theater, making some 50,000 down to 1/2 million men, all for a new car frontline morning it is emotional. Why is it so emotional I just I just think it's our time to think about the second class of those men and women that were losing every day.

This is a way to save some of our and also my coastal trail that gave us the years and years ago for some clothing designers know this is brand-new territory. One one-time project runway winner made making masks reality with retail stores structured almost indefinitely. Story brick like ground-floor are galloping to the rescue to how long do you think because I'm a keep doing this will stop. There's no way to stop no one wants to stop so will keep doing this until the problem goes away. Ralph Lauren son is chief branding and innovation officer. It didn't matter where you work in our company and at what level people came together with so much compassion and so much empathy we have designers and people in our stores literally started making masks on their own retooling factory floors just so much willpower is good world.

Everybody wants to support this and what fast when the outbreak peaks officials warned the demand for protective equipment will continue some wonder if it will ever cease. It just seems like it's going to be very strange if things don't ever get back to normal. What's the new normal going to be. Hopefully it's one that doesn't forget that in the worst the best of us comes up. If where helping anybody in the community are making anybody feel better by either donating their time or are just feeling like they are contributing in some way.

I think that deep into a crisis.

So many are comparing to war. What is the leadership our nation needs our Sunday morning cover story comes from Senior contributor Ted Koppel Crystal is a return to general talk about what we are now toward the end of his career with joint special operations command Army Rangers. Navy SEALs don't enforce 7500 of the most highly trained and lethal warriors in the US military leaders have got to be honest with themselves about what the real situation is what they're trying to do but I think you have to be extraordinarily candid with the followers wanted to sign of respect to it's just essential for long-term effectiveness are adversary now is this virus Penny Wheeler is going to call just an obscure Christian who now runs Alina Hiltz, with its 11 hospitals, more than 90 clinics throughout Minnesota and western Wisconsin is president and CEO, Dr. Wheeler oversees staff more than 29,000 employee. My job is to try to learn from them and get barriers better trading barriers to their care or their growth out of the way. That's how I approach leadership. I sure hope I'm not a pain in the butt on father Joseph McShane is a Jesuit priest is in normal times to be getting ready to preside over commencement ceremony is clearly are not normal to what more can we do a moment, which doesn't allow us to present physically present to our people. They may have little in common in terms of background and training boot. Each of them warrior doctor and priest is an accomplished leader of the most important elements. That's a tough question.

I think that to begin with self-knowledge, number two, you have to know what your priorities are. You have to be wise not to ask for advice for you to be humble enough to accept it and if you're able to do those you will be a leader in great leader possibly first about.

Don't be in denial of what the true situation was in and get the information from every vantage point you possibly can. The second would be. Learn as much as you can from the people are the closest to the work they will help guide your choices and decisions and there's genius that exists out there that you need to listen to. The third is boy collaborate as much as you can with others, communicate, communicate, communicate, communicate, I think. First you have to you have to care you can pretend you care about the organization's mission and the people but that's not true.

Over time will come out and there will be a difference between what you say what you do. I don't really bright lady from my class teacher and she didn't course. She said people will forgive you for not being should be forgiven for not being the leader so genuine. There are really two viruses brought in this country. The one is covert, 19, and the others fear and fear can be almost as damaging as the disease you're in church will share his natural and you know I've been scared and scared by the Coast Guard vibrancy recently talking first admit that sphere is not a sign of weakness. You could sense now fear should put us into what you should do is to be a motivator to be something that causes us to be more cautious but not slow where we operate. Dr. Mr. say that that fear is an element to garrison ailment and what we want to do right now is do what we do best, which is to care compassionately with our expertise for the lives of others.

There is a mentor of mine who once said that, I think healthcare is more about love than anything else. If you learn some new if you learn the things that you were expecting deliveries in the comb or if you learn something about the disease, which is bad news to your Assurant with your heart, and I think it's really important to be able to be as open about these things as you possibly can appropriately contextualizing them for what they what it is we're trying to be very very open about what were seeing in the community what our worries are in terms of having adequate protective meant and equipment to care adequate spaces to CareFirst surge that's anticipated. We need to share that it's not to be an alarmist and people experiencing something that is totally different from what you said before, the trust factor goes down significantly limited you back to your military your running special operations force you would send these men and women of often on very, very dangerous mission to what degree would do you feel obliged to tell them the truth about the level of danger of the complete personal level. I grew up in the community.

So I personal commitment to them as individuals but as a leader. I knew I was not honest about is not straightforward. I put them in harm's way, Inc. would figure out what I told was incorrect or at least understated leaders since Gen. McChrystal have got to stand up and what I mean by that is when it gets hard when it gets morally questionable when it gets physically dangerous when it gets anything that cast the organization leaders sensitive but that means the leader may get may get killed make it, criticized that you remove job for the McShane has been at Fordham for more than 23 years inside the University church's stained glass window depicting St. Aloysius Gonzaga, who died of a plague. He contracted caring for one of its victim's stained glass window hundreds, probably thousands of times and I knew it was there never bought me the way it did. I walked into the University church, as is the virus was taking hold of the city of New York. This invisible force. I stood there transfixed looking at this, the stained glass window that I had seen. But now I saw, and I stood there and tears came from the McShane's been sending out weekly messages to the greater Fordham family in which he sometimes reveals his own sadness and his own fears. It was suggested as though he was saying no, I'm no different from the rest of your that's exactly. That's exactly right I'm the same joys and sorrows. They have the same same concerns and fears and it is very complicated moment moment Carol but also great goodness is great goodness and showing itself among the American people was great, great love. Dr. Wheeler also funds a spark of hope glimmering within the pandemic were never really quite the same.

No, I don't think you be quite the same. I wonder sometimes if it may be a new greatest generation will be part that's my greatest hope is that out of this and out of the collective we and what we will accomplish and go through together that does something you know new will be born and that's that's hope renewed reminder that our all homebound check out our Sunday morning website and stay with CBS News for the latest on this always changing coronavirus pandemic Sun 850 million people visit our nation's museums in an ordinary year. This being no ordinary year. Rita braver reminds us there is an alternative and only way to escape the pressures of daily life. Just as we really need their close except thank goodness online world. You can use your mouse to zoom in really closely look at fine details of painting. You can find out lots of written information. I love museums you can take a tour of an exhibition or through galleries. We had socially distanced chat outside the national Gallery of Art in Washington with director came when Feldman no chance to visit Blockbuster exhibit inside. It must be hard for you not to be able to have visitors come in and see this exhibit really is a heartbreak to curator spent years and years working on this exhibition was done with the music divorce after got the opera online so visitors can take a virtual tour not the same as the real thing but pretty darn close armchairs surfing across all media museums across the country are seeing a huge surge in online traffic. Since today's Easter Sunday. Take a peek at this gorgeous collection of Faberge Easter eggs. Check out the national Museum of African-American history and cultures.

The Graham feed.

You can even watch a curator give a talk about a favorite painting right from her home was made in 1918 lovers around the world are taking it vantage of being stuck at home by re-creating their own versions of masterpieces having fun with just about any artist you can think of Vermeer's girl with the parole hearing will never be the same creative expression. It's about humor and it's about a reminder that were all in this together, guests, aquariums, tourists, Penguins parade in Chicago while France in Atlanta even go on safari from here right now. His name is Mark.

He is very smart.

He is great at reading about God for the mustache and the hat don't hurt and there are use social media stars with the rest of the staff gone from the national cowboy and Western Heritage Museum in Oklahoma City. The chief of security who goes by hashtag.cowboy has become a Twitter sensation from you that's on rail us. None of us expected it to be wordy is right now folks just can't get enough of his homespun posts like these boots were made for writing.

And that's just what they'll do. Our she likes coffee. Probably because she's a sculpture like this so much. I honestly honestly don't know. I think it's just a good positive thing to do right now. Plus it shows off what we still even while offering us respite at home. Many museums, small and large are starting to struggle financially.

Case in point, New York's Metropolitan Museum of Art had to cancel its star-studded custom Institute fundraiser and says it will lose $100 million this year, but crazies have often inspired great art. Dorothea Lange's moving photos of the Great Depression.

Edward Hopper's nighthawks painted soon after the bombing of Pearl Harbor. Keith Herring's response to age when Feldman of the national Gallery of Art believes in these troubled times, people can get tangible comfort from art we stop worrying about our everyday problems and the things close to us. We realize we're part of the human condition hi podcast. It's me Drew Barrymore all my goodness, I want to tell you about our new shout Institute business podcast and each episode mean a weekly gas that can cover all the quirky find inspiring and informative stories that exist on the wall because well I and maybe you do too.

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It's a good news on the got terrifying as this pandemic may be not without precedent. Former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright is author of the new book hell and other destinations as thoughts for us.

1/4 of a century ago when I was in the government. The HIV-AIDS and then expect too much of the world. Medical facilities were overwhelmed, average life expectancy and something please drop by 40% SHA state in Africa with women been infected by man who refused to admit they had the disease. I held infants just been born. But you were already dying. I exhorted opinion leaders to help that was told by some that it was the victims who were to blame been gradually people started listening to what public health experts had to say. The private sector mobilized governments, including that of the United States commenced to lead today is still a serious problem that no longer a mortal threat to civilization. Coronavirus presents a unique set of challenges that the answers are similar. We need leaders will take responsibility instead of casting blame citizens who will respect the safety of their neighbors, corporations that will rise above business as usual during the second world war. My father was head of broadcasting for the Czechoslovak government in exile.

The program was introduced by cattle ground more so for the V allied symbol for victory today. We must come together in the alliance for victory over the virus that is the message in the pain I'm wearing this morning and I Easter and Passover prayer for all.

In this social distancing maracas is the simple handshake is becoming a distant memory.

Mr. just wanted to offer my congratulations are. It's a ritual we take for granted we say hello how are you we say goodbye just one show of respect. It's something we all of a sudden have to learn not to do.

Is it possible that the handshake is dead temporarily until the world is well again welcome to Patricia Napier Fitzpatrick's founder of the etiquette school of New York starting reading Mary Jackson a good grip you. Yes, there is a proper technique extends when his right arm with the other person gripping web to web shape from the elbow 122 Smith holding firmly to limp noodle. I once read about little remembered Pres. Benjamin Harrison of the late 19th century critic of his said he had a handshake like a wilted petunia.

You see your first impression. This is a very primal sort of connection. Very emotional. David Givens is an anthropologist with can sack the University in Spokane Washington. He says the handshake reaches back 60 million years, chimpanzees and gorillas do much the same thing. The long for tactile contact basically reach out with the foreman's especially with the poem is not an accident that we greet each other by shaking hands know because hands of all the neurological circuitry and emotional parts that we need to make good contact with fellow humans and throughout human history class, but sealed the part of the handshake is been an expression of peace and forgiveness.

Alas, it is also, as we've learned an excellent delivery vehicle for germs with casual handshake is pretty much present for closing a business deal. This I think will remain book will be precautions before you. Maybe you think love to make handshake Miriam Roddy.

The last Thursday of June is what used to be anyway. Miriam Roddy of Brody professional development in Jenkintown, Pennsylvania is such a fan of handshaking. She created national handshake day in 2004, personal module, or your little grip here. Respect I would like a firm grip. She knows that this June's celebration will have to be virtual gone for me personally, but even if we can't touch. David Givens says will still use our hands.

When he calls our emotional smart parts to communicate goodwill and a good example is the Plains Indian greeting where you raise your home, out the person from a distance especially important now that you communicate warm interest, perhaps, will look to Asia for alternatives to outer space and await the day when we can once again join hands with our fellow man and woman. Well Miriam, it's been great meeting you. I feel you dog is it was a little too long. Four weeks in the family quarantine and Jim Gaffigan is still learning the ropes used to do standup comedy is the right. I also did some acting but now on the professional shot. Living with my wife and five children in our New York City apartment cooking and cleaning up after five children well. It seemed cruel until they started their distance learning program.

Distance learning how to save his person. If you've never heard of distance learning probably don't have children or your worst parent I looking for students to go to school but don't get to be with her friends for teachers to teach, but only to a screen for parents.

We get to fail and tech support in class are five different five New York City different schedules that happen simultaneously sure is. My wife is created elaborate color-coded schedules charts to manage when online classes at another's beginning. There is usually some drama with distance learning that occurs on screen screen greet parents always trying to get screens away from their children during quarantine and during distance learning, you give them the screens and then you take them give them a menu to file its file.

If you don't know what it's like to take it screen from a child you're trying to convince them to go to rehab.

What are you doing it's not time my wife and I just finally caved but a steel charging contraption blocks away.

The screens may seem extreme. We've only had to change the combination twice this week.

I guess the point I'm saying your own Easter is were having fun, be safe in this very different time. Nathan Lane is doing something different is playing attractive on TV and talking with our Martha Tyson or I Martha, how do we say hello though the witness was just beginning when we sat down last month with Nathan Lane.

We far enough. I hope so. I really hope so. A Broadway star for once be not to be on Broadway with all the theaters closed. I bet you're glad you got a TV show right now sure that we we finished it that we did our entire season a 10 part series any dreadful city of Angels premiers April 26 on Showtime part of Viacom, CBS, it's an alarm murder mystery tinged with the supernatural and 1/2 so Nathan Lane's character. He appears to be one thing which is this sardonic, tough talking classics of the Raymond Chandler-esque character and yet he's a tortured soul.

Maybe it's Pacheco's longtime police detective in 1938 Los Angeles in this life. Your cowboy you're in India what was happening in LA in 1938 there are these parallels this is the persecution of the Latino community and in the case of Los Angeles, the Nazi infiltration. Hitler thought Los Angeles would make a great base of nations Nazi infiltration was nationwide is my prayers. Nathan Lane at 64 is grateful for the chance to try something new. I'm feeling like you know at this point the gods looked down on me and said you know what, let's let him have this Dragon Lane is after all, best known for being sunny. I've always thought of you as being like my sons sons brothers and wonder through his career. You can't help but laugh. I was adorable.

Once you give me short secure. He was poignant and funny as a gay man in the birdcage with Robin Williams is idiotic issue. The military I mean constant forms. It took Lane nearly 3 years after birdcage to come out publicly.

I came up in a different generation and that whole feeling of making a big statement about. I was never comfortable and selfishly there was a part of me that thought I'd finally gotten to this point.

Work on playing the lead one of the leaves in the film in a big movie and if I say this will that destroy all of this it all go away.

So I wish you I had been great, but you can only do what you can do with the time by then met definitely they were married in 2015. Elliott is the producer. Yup, one of those guys. Nathan Lane played so variously alongside Matthew Broderick in the 2001 Broadway megahit. The producers never put your own money and to the hard act because they just want you to keep doing the same thing suspect you to be funny yes yes Lane thing in the Sims family 2010, when the New York Times published a profile calling him the greatest stage entertainer of the decade I read this piece is interesting that's how he sees me. It was enough to make me say that older I feel like I have a lot more to offer as an actor, so he pitched himself with the lead in Eugene O'Neill's tragedy, the Iceman cometh same right call. You already hold such in a 2018 revival of the a display, Angels in America, I will proceed systematically to destroy your reputation and your practice and your career. Lane was lawyer to the powerful Roy Cohn heated for his part in the 1950s red scare someone who is known for being likable find it difficult to leap into a role playing somebody who is so reviled. Now I know I love that I love. I love being unlikable. You know that that role. It's a gift, so to how he sees his roles in plays by his friend and mentor Terrence McNally which wrote about gay life in the AIDS plague monumental part of my life. When McNally died of coronavirus last month.

Lane asked if he could add his thoughts.

It's awful that you do for someone. I think someone else said someone who survived another plague brought down by distance just just horrific. It's really, but it's about remembering him at this moment in his work.

As for his own work.

Nathan Lane's very first Broadway show was present laughter in 1982 it star was George C.

Scott, who years later offered him for us wisdom. I hadn't seen in a long time but he said you love it. Still love it. I said what I love lot acting as if yes, I do good deliverables. Do you still love.

I do with all my heart I journey through our national parks is pretty much out of the question right now allow Connor Knighton to suggest a plan B. April is typically one of the busiest months of the year Joshua tree national Park not disabled on April 1 Joshua tree close to the public as national parks all across the country have shut their gates. Basically we could not guarantee that the people inside the park working to be safe because they kept on congregating in such large numbers. David Smith is the superintendent the Joshua tree Park.

That's nearly 800,000 acres but as we've been seeing parks across the country. People still want to hike the popular trails. This was the scene it now close Zion national Park just a few weeks ago. In addition, many of our most spectacular parks are near some of our most vulnerable towns. It's a 17 bed hospital with zero ICU rooms. Bradford is the director of the Southeast Utah health department depleted with the Park service to please close canyonlands and arches so that visitors wouldn't overwhelm the web small hospital. We love you all. Now is not the time taking that road trip to enjoy America's best idea just isn't the best idea right now. Four years ago I took the mother of all road trips. I visited every national park in the country but was out there on the trail, I discovered there are a surprising number of ways you can enjoy the great outdoors indoors, but I visited Colorado's great sandwich national Park measured to be one of the quietest places in the entire country. The two things that affect some discrete first trip mentioned that his team had also been collecting some of their favorite noises. We try to capture a greatest hits album's of all the unusual or particularly significant or interesting sounds.

The region parks go to NPS.gov/sound you can hear some of those greatest hits you can listen to a coyote giving chase thunderstorm at Big Bend or just queue up the curated tracks mix when you need to calm down in between conference calls. When I visited Alaska's Kenai fjords National Park with Ranger Fiona North and now you can do the same thing thanks to Google's arts and culture project. You can follow Ranger North down into a glacial crevasse was also the perfect time to delve the fascinating histories of our parks.

For example, 19 had occurred back in 1919. Dr. would most likely recommended treating the virus half down in Arkansas online. You can read about how the water at hot Springs national Park was once thought to cure everything from rheumatism, syphilis several of the parks including Joshua tree Rangers like Sarah Jane Pepper are offering Skype field trips for students. Parks are giant classrooms. Have a great read of your day and come business real thumbnail of the park is open again. Sometimes it can be comforting just to be reminded that these places are still out there. That's why so many of our Sunday morning moments of nature come from the national parks.

My new book leave only footprints about the powerful impact the parks had on my own life by writing it. I frequently found inspiration in the words of writer John near who argued that wildness is a necessity going to the mountains is going home now.

I am staying parked inside like we all should be. When this is all past.

I can't tell you how excited and to be to get out of the house at home, some thoughts now on Easter and Passover first from Timothy Cardinal Dolan, Archbishop of New York and then from Rabbi José Rolando Massillon of the Binet just run synagogue in Manhattan told my office you write happy Easter Sunday morning. Do we ever need a little Easter right this very moment. Don't wait.

I've always been captivated on CBS Sunday morning show to see your logo with the beginning of the sunrise, and we celebrate today the sun rising given us the hope and confidence every day does today for us Christians, we celebrate that the song so the only begotten son of God, our Lord Jesus Christ is risen to new life and invites us to share in that gift of resurrection to our Jewish neighbors. Thank you for reminding us that God could bring liberation of hope and promise out of place as he did for you during the Passover Egypt to those of you who might not have any faith at all.

Still, let us rejoice in spray as we see the new life in spray this on conquerors and the chill of winter to you and me who were Christians.

Let's thanks be to God the moment of trial and our beloved communities in our country, and indeed on this planet that we call our earthly home in this moment of darkness and trauma.

We have the hope and the confidence of new life in the resurrection of the son of God, blessed Easter everybody this world, which commemorates the ration of slavery and oppression in ancient Egypt is fiscal line which means the narrow place. The place of constriction confinement because of the millions and millions of world notifying the sales in the narrow place where free anguish in the face of this disease for each of his neighbors came to the dark of night share the elation and self-centeredness and they experienced the power of loving community, which is what we each year at the Passover Seder table today for all of us Jewish or not. It is an important quote in spite of her forced isolation. It is time for us to extend our cells to reach out directly. For one another, whatever we can see that healing ration will and when we are rated. When we returned to the streets were workplaces and one another. I pray you with a new appreciation for just how extraordinary normal life is with great appreciation for the blessing of our extended families, our friends and our neighbors.

I hope soon all of us in safety and health thoughts from Rabbi José Rolando Massillon and Timothy Cardinal Dolan. I'm Jane Pauley. Please stay safe and join us when our trumpet sounds again next Sunday morning with Gary this week. Stephen Long live Mitch McConnell in one of Washington's biggest midterm monument list for me to Senate races you think Republicans have the best chance of taking a democratic seed with Nevada not Georgia.

George is right up there, but New Hampshire's products to New Hampshire people really just kind of don't like that you have for more from this week's conversation, follow the take out with Maj. Garrett on Apple podcasts forever. You get your podcasts