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My quest for the perfect American climate haven city. The covert pandemic is another real cause for concern and we look to Dr. Anthony Fauci for reliable advice this morning.

He fields questions from Ted Koppel, Dr.my pleasure was the only be totally Fauci is a firm believer in handling his own for your hundreds and hundreds of interview will review the forms will not do.everybody else right. What we really do need to get accurate information out. Love them or hate them, Tony Fauci is a force to be reckoned words coming up on Sunday morning. Of course we were all sad and by word of the passing of broadcaster Larry king who interviewed a Who's Who of newsmakers and all sorts of other folks Lee Cowan looks back Larry king, not all control is was a broadcasting career that ran 6.4 interviews nobody invites me that time Mary King's word with newsmakers projected I would just like this will juries schmooze present us criminal and even smoked marlin rent.

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Then Tracy looks back on his tenure as our CBS News White House correspondent Mark Whitaker catches up with Pennsylvania Lieut. Gov. John Fetterman, a politician whose one-of-a-kind plus opinion from the Atlantic's James Fallows and more on this Sunday morning 24 January 2021 and will be back in a moment.

Is there any place that's almost perfect. If you're trying to avoid the worsening extremes of climate. It's a question that for some of us as quite literally become a matter of life or task. David Pogue's new book published by Simon & Schuster of Viacom, CBS is called how to prepare for climate change and for starters he tells us look at a map. Jen and Ryan Cashman used to live in paradise California backyard bell. Remember November 8, 2018 the end of their days is pitch black and were now scrambling to figure out where to go and how to get out or sitting in traffic. One part is getting closer and closer to the side of the car and we saw these horses surrounded in flames. And that's when that's what hit me what course was the campfire the deadliest wildfire in California history destroyed 95% of the town of Paradise were including their home from our childhood, our children tell you everything. I remember turning to Ryan saying we we have to get out California. We have to we can't we can't live like this anymore.

The Cashman's became climate refugees people driven from their homes by the fires, floods and hurricanes fall worsening climb. Some people are being impacted by displacement from storms and forest fires in extreme events. Jesse Keenan teaches at the Tulane school of architecture.

He studies the effect of climate change on people and cities. We think that people are going to be changing their decisions increasingly about where to live, how to live there any examples of that any cities that you studied were that's going on. Really there is a community in America, particularly in coastal America were we are not seeing some transition away from the coast and moving to higher ground. Places like Miami, New Orleans, San Francisco even in DC we see environmental risk from flood shaping property values in shaping where people want to live course not everybody has the option of moving his pickup and leave the place.

John White Newsom is a consultant, researcher and advocate who focuses on climate and racial justice. She says that extreme weather hits. Communities of color disproportionately hard, yet their residence may be the least able to move.

It's not that folks want to stay in harm's way, but the fact that they might not have the resources to move that they have invested all that they have into their home, whether they're renting or owning it and then there is also the sense of community that sense of connection not only with their neighbors that their faith community, their jobs, their kids are in school still 40 million Americans do move every year they retire they graduate, they get jobs or lose jobs they fall in love or breakup. If you have the luxury of choosing where to live and climate change is a factor. Here's the formula you want to be far enough in the land to avoid the rising season flooding far enough north to avoid the worst of the heat waves far enough west and north to avoid her and far enough to avoid the wildfires.

Droughts are becoming more desperate every decade in our Western states, so you also want plenty of fresh water.

So where does that leave you the Great Lakes. The abundance of natural resources in freshwater. In particular cities like Buffalo, like Cleveland, like Toledo, Ohio are really prime. There's a cultural capacitor. There's a legacy there's a history there's infrastructure there. There is art. That's a good point. There is more to a city and its weather. You also want good schools, fine hospitals, sports and culture a reasonable cost of living and a high quality of life. At least one American city fits all of these criteria. Now, hurricanes okay wildfires snow wildfires about sea level rise.

Well, the lakes were pretty steady to welcome to Madison, Wisconsin is a coffee shop. There's pizza places a bookstore set your roads.

Conway is Madison's mare and a climate resilience advocate we have seller on almost every municipally owned building at this point we have a goal of being 100% renewable for city operations.

By 2030, so people think of Madison as we like to say here is that there is no bad weather. There's only that clothing and so you know if you're properly dressed.

You can enjoy being outdoors year round here in Madison. Is it your impression that with the changing climate. Winters are becoming milder here. Yes, it's you know today it's above freezing rain January that's not normal. Definitely, the average I think is getting a lot warmer.

In fact, 5° warmer since 1950. So tell me about what Madison is like in, for example, the summer in the fall well in the summer so many opportunities to get outside and to enjoy the lakes to enjoy our neighborhoods in the fall. You live in this part of the world and you get beautiful color. We have 270 parks in Madison now. No place is perfect.

Even Madison. When we make another set of number one or top 10 were that's clearly true for the white population is that also true for people of color and the answer is almost always. Now it's not also as so that's part of our work going forward. Madison is the only great climate haven city.

It looks like it's nighttime. The Cashman family about as far from California's wildfires that near Burlington, Vermont, and they couldn't be happier. If you have full screen and not try.

There's a fires I analysis very functional, athletic, happy place, community embraced us immensely with our children and I knew I think we made the right decision we made working from home pluses and minuses to with Kelly for Saturday. We take stock. Okay, just to make sure that I got this nearly a year into the pandemic-is going to the court. Yeah, I know you many of us have gotten used to online meetings. You also get a special fee for your service dog but it's still not easy so I'm qualified to do so many things that exist.

It's crazy Jack Arafat.

I think Rafael Asad and Jeffrey Holzer know all about the difficulties working from home a person that something was happening when we both are professors at Harvard business school different specialties of Prof. organizational they began studying and randomized data from the emails and online meetings of more than 3 million people in 16 cities around the world you on the team. People who loved working from home or were you on the team of people who couldn't wait to get back trying to not in time on the couch. Their research confirms what many employees have already discovered that where we work affect how we work.

Yes, the shift to working from home really did make workdays longer, nearly an hour longer, on average, email traffic, especially increased after hours. The boundary between work and personal life has really become obliterated know so many are sending some personal emails at night but they're mixed in with your work emails and by the way you're working from your bedroom and your office in your kitchen with most workers at home.

The average number of meetings increased to they got shorter, even if they felt longer to have more meetings and between meetings may recover and there are other interruptions did you have kids wandering into your zoom room while you're trying to teach some home environments are chaotic people who have multiple know my story was a little bit different, were two of us are always out in the country.

Other homes are more like an oasis and we work from home a lot and so the transition to working at home was fairly smooth and also what pleasant in a lot of ways. Studies show working from home can be more productive.

Companies can save on overhead to so will employees ever return to their offices. Matt Cooper says no everybody got more productive to strip three hours commute time out of your day, David a Cheruiyot says yes we made it clear that the expectations that they will return back to the office of the working out of their both tech CEOs in New York, but they have come to different conclusions about working from home.

It's like this big social experiment is been an absolutely insane year and it was put 1 foot in front of the other and working through a Cooper run skill share a 10-year-old company that hosts online classes whether particular skills that people seem to want to learn while they were locked out of home classes and topics that had sort of a self-help stress relief anxiety relief. That anxiety was good news for skill share with employees working from home. The company flourished sleep or try to find funding constructive self-improvement directed activities to do with all this new free time.

Our numbers explode and he says most of his staff didn't want to return to the office full-time.

What they wanted was to go back, call 1 to 3 days a week and that's great. But we are paying New York real estate in our next office was going to be hundred hundred $20,000 a month. It's pretty expensive for one to three days week so he decided to do something radical, shut down the physical office permanently reallocated a lot of the money that would have gone towards office rent, utilities to an ongoing work from home stipend.

Make sure you got good Internet.

Make sure you got the desk set up, you need to chair all those things in the years before the pandemic Yahoo and IBM both made headlines by scrapping work from home programs asking many remote employees to come back and in September Reed Hastings of Netflix called working from home, a pure negative on these companies, etc. we could never do it.

People never getting done well, they managed to do it.

So I think we've hopefully debunked that nothing we are people who are accountable ambitious aggressive want to get things done. I don't have to be on top of. When you start having that feeling that okay will working from home for now but we need to get some people back in the office as soon as possible. A growing cohort of employees really miss that person connection Cheruiyot runs Mongo DB a global database company headquartered in New York, with offices in 14 cities around the world that are pushing us to say when can we start opening up the offices because they were anxious to meet when this office did start to reopen in October.

Many employees decided not to return with surprise that hung the Huffington Post took us up on the offer by summer it a Cheruiyot wants the whole team back you think people will want to come back to work in July. Things are back to normal. We do expect people to be available for in-person meetings with everything that's important part of a culture business gets either a window or an aisle.

That's correct, but for now, the office has socially distant seating disinfecting products.

These whites are hot items. You probably get 1015 bucks for the market and of course a strict mass protocol with walk around it were a mask, go to the restroom with wear a mask after to come and see some familiar faces. Ava Thompson is David Cherry's assistant was more about getting to come here and see people was more about adding out of your house is a little about the colonnade holiday. It was nice to like but I now fed and put the makeup on it serious is working from home doesn't suit everyone. People who struggle from working from home are I was a young employees who want more social interaction may not have ample private space to do the work. Young parents of young children home and he thinks that America's empty offices will fill up again.

Certain companies have said we don't need. Not many people don't need to come back to work. Are they going to regret it. I believe that they will.

There's nothing like me, some face-to-face, Prof. Jeffrey poser the behavior specialist thinks things might never go back to the way they were.

Is it possible that offices could be worth the huge cost pure traditions like that's the way we've always done to start to think about artifact of time when we didn't have all of the tools to communicate and collaborate with each other but Prof. Rafael Asad and the economist says offices aren't just about efficiency working life with our social life. This is intelligence matters with former acting Dir. of the CIA. Michael Morel bridge Colby is cofounder and principal of the Marathon initiative project focused on developing strategies to prepare the United States for an era of sustained great power competition states put on my to something we can usually figure it out what people are saying and what we can know analytically and empirically as our strategic situation or military situations not being matched up follow. Intelligence matters where ever you get your podcasts former Pres. Donald Trump is back home at Mara Longo after four tumultuous years in office.

Then Tracy was our White House correspondent for much of Trump's charm and has a look back I saw when Joe Biden became Pres. Biden this past week what was extraordinary was just help ordinary you'd all seen politics don't have to be a raging fire destroying everything in its path. The now former president Trump exiled himself from the ceremony fan from Twitter. He could not even weigh in from afar. The disruptor in chief.

What happened to me with this witchhunt should never be allowed to happen to another president dominated every aspect of American life was suddenly gone is Donald and intellectual trust like a smart person.

It felt like more than a transition. It was a presidential eclipse affected three of us are standing here leaving some to wonder if he could ever fit in at a gathering of the former presidents club the true presidency was different but extremely stable genius and you have a natural ability than that instead of running you could be bizarre person woman man, camera, TV, and other times I joke about the Chinese buyers was offensive and then they were the moments dreaded attend a great job that were simply shocking. Of course there were also the tweets going toward the Gulf and the many untruths all want to see our election victory stolen like a reality show that has been determined that there is no collusion, so we'll see what happens. We hold to look away, even when it burned the authority of the President of the United States having to do with the subject with talking about is there were certainly Neil Gore search accomplishments to tempt red Three Supreme Court justices coding a major tax cut is not fancy but it's the Oval Office as the great Oval Office and peace deals in the Middle East. This is peace in the Middle East without blood all over the sand. I said covering Donald Trump for the past few years worth time the virus will disappear. Was both addicting and exhausting. If you White House aide their left ear are demoralized and simply trying to get through the next week during a flight on Air Force One. Last year I was struck by how different he could be talking off the record reporters without cameras. He was sometimes more serious, less confrontational, is such a hostile media. Of course that never lasted long on the campaign trail, you call yourself a nationalist, some people thought of as emboldening white nationalist now people are such a racist – I'm the one constant was that he always stole his own which may be why the new president.

This a great nation seems so determined to counter program and overcome the challenges in front of us requires most elusive of all things in a democracy, unity, and now is it possible a president who always demanded to be seen and heard what you could really just fadeaway writers that storm the capital in his name deal a fatal blow to the Trump brain. This was a fraudulent election. And what about the article of impeachment expected to be delivered to the Senate tomorrow. We have to have peace. So go home. We love you. You're very special, triggering his trial on charges of inciting direction. No one is above the law, not to mention those criminal investigations and lawsuits. Mr. Trump still faces in New York and beyond.

I will always fight I will be watching. I will be listening after finally accepting his presidency was truly over.

I wish you inspiration great blocking great success.

The 45th president left a weary Washington Wednesday morning. Goodbye we love you, while still leaving a lot of us wondering will be back in some form to show have a good life, we will see you soon is really over the coming weeks will be taught with some political figures who measure stand out of the crowd to begin Sunday morning contributor Mark Whitaker catches up with Pennsylvania Lieut. Gov. John Fetterman you describe yourself as governor Wolf's anger translated will just look at the contrast to myself and the governors is almost comical and were standing next to each other at 618 John Fetterman the lieutenant governor of Pennsylvania will install both in person and in politics.

The Senate will not order the 51-year-old Democrat gained national attention to the stone cold absolutely right for his brash and cutting defense of Pennsylvania's vote against false claims of fraud, especially on Twitter where he's even more outspoken you are getting on Twitter every mornings like starting the day with a dog toting motor oil smoothly.

It's just it's it's horrible, you gotta format phalanx and push back against that and I do that in a way that mixes kind of humor in mockery with cold hard facts.

One cold hard fact is that John Fetterman is a blunt talking self-described progressive intent on also breaking through with swing voters in the Rust Belt's pet issues include a higher minimum wage. If you believe that a human being should toil for 725 an hour vote for the other person and legal marijuana, which he says is a winner for either party or political bazooka. Yet there arguing over the these small wedge issues when they're leaving the bazooka legal. We know there on the table for the other side to grab like South Dakota are the most conservative state in our country voted for legal weed straight up and down on the state that has severe opioid problem why you're talking about legalizing another drug because it's not a drug. It's a plant it's a gateway to finding a completely natural alternative to the kind of relief that had brought so many people into this toxic spiral with opioids in the first place. Fetterman was previously the 13 year mayor of Braddock Pennsylvania once thriving steel industry town stated by decades of poverty, blight and crime stained glass was placed into a church and window here in Braddock as opposed to taken out 10 years ago. Jeff Clore reported for Sunday morning the efforts of this Harvard grad and former AmeriCorps volunteer to revitalize this largely African-American community. The four-year-old Fetterman wears Braddock's past literally on his sleeves. The ZIP Code tattooed on one arm the dates of murderers on the other the worst days of my life because these are days that we lost people through senseless violence today. Braddock isn't perfect but there are real signs of progress and hope but is Fetterman showed us on a drive over there right that's the carry furnace site since 1986. Other parts of Pennsylvania's Rust Belt remain estimated the white working-class voters still here are no longer liable Democrats the majority of voters in the modern reader are still Democratic and yet they been voting Republican and heavenly program so will need someone talking understand that you can't work for Google. Learn how to: nationally, the Democratic Party base has become more racially diverse, educated, wealthy and urban you think Democrats in the last couple of generation have forgotten about working forgotten about them. But I don't think they're the center. You know the way the way they should be speaking in the shadow of the US steel plant Fetterman describe the cost of not putting working people first and if we turn our backs on the remaining industries and not reinvest in these places and just so you're on your own. We will lose an entire generation of people that have no other options other than to turn to somebody like Donald Trump and say you know well. Elise gets me he at least cares helix pays lip service which is one reason why Fetterman and his family still live in Braddock in this renovated 1920s.

His wife Gisele runs a charity known simply as the free storm. The second lady of Pennsylvania, was born in Brazil and came to the United States.

Poor and undocumented.

Every knock at my door and I wasn't expecting someone because I was worried about being appointed would leave for school in the morning.

My mom I love you. Have a great day be as simple invisible no longer last October.

She captured this verbal assault while out shopping. Her struggles and those of other immigrants can nearly bring the imposing John Fetterman to tears. We as a country have to be better than this kind of anti-immigration rhetoric and we have to be better than that my life has been immeasurably enriched by my wife and her family and her immigration story.

John Fetterman is now exploring a run for the Senate in 2022 and he has a new distinction to add to his resume GQ magazine described her as an American-style guy days that which I guess is ironic because I have no taste, but I just am what I am. The fact that somebody that that looks as unfortunate as I do sometimes would be an American taste God by the Bible of American taste. You know III didn't see that coming. Your talk about your 2020 bingo card and now a few things to know about Pres. Joseph Robinette Biden Junior as a child. Our new president had a debilitating stunner.

His classmates often mocked him in high school football and reportedly was pretty good at age 29 1972 Joe Biden became the 50 youngest person ever elected to the United States Senate. Thank you. Only weeks later at Christmas time, a truck slammed into a car carrying his wife Neil yeah and three children.

She and their baby girl died on the way to the hospital. Sounds bowel and Hunter were seriously injured when Biden was sworn into the Senate soon after the ceremony took place in hospital room. Biden met his second wife, Jill, on a blind date. He had to propose five times before she said yes. At age 78, Joe Biden is now our oldest president has two German shepherds nature and champ is known to have a penchant for ice cream love this car. He still owns a 1967 Corvette stingray wedding. Finally, Joe Biden has been to 13 presidential inaugurations, including on Wednesday is Dr. Anthony found she is front and center in the new administration's drive to tackle Cove this morning.

He talks with Senior contributor Ted Koppel restarting story with you and I do 33 years ago really.

When Dr. Fauci and I first met camera remote interviews was still something of a novelty in the nation was fixated on the global epidemic called HIV-AIDS what you have about some kind of vaccine to vaccines are in phase 1 trial to determine safety, but it won't be until well into the 1990s, if were lucky enough to have a vaccine. It will be at least until 1995. Even 33 years ago Tony Fauci had a wide national following mostly among activists who were often highly critical of my recollection, he had not yet inspired videos, T-shirts, coffee mugs were suggestions of impending sing to so for better or worse, for one reason or other I became a symbol that was unrealistic. Like St. Anthony and I was kinda okay great, but that's not reality. On the other hand I've had people who have threatened my life because I'm speaking public health measures would go to video to any of you and your wife walking with the security detail came to the yeah it came to that triggered such animosity that I have to have federal agents on federal agents with me like over time your children through I have to tell you I'm not afraid of myself for myself. But the thing that really is disturbing to me is the harassment continual harassment of my three daughters the crazies you don't know who they all know where they live.

Know what the telephone number is no way they work. It infuriates me.

Let's talk about us. America, here we are we going 4% of the worlds population 2 million fatalities worldwide. If we had our share. We would've had 80,000. That's a lot. We have five times the number we been an abject failure.

Yeah, the reasons for that that I don't think I I can articulate all of them but some of them stand out to me because I've lived through them. You can have mixed messaging you cannot have the whole it is isolation of public health messages. I mean, the idea that wearing a mask or not, became a political statement that makes it beyond the difficult to implement a good public health measure.

People have come to a point where they don't understand those president he can actually be an extraordinarily charming man. Yes, you're right. He's easy charismatic person. I got along very very well with him.

But I took no pleasure in having to correct clear misrepresentations in the sphere of medicine and science. I'm not totally sure what the president was referring to that annoyed. I think his staff is loyal staff in some respects even more than it annoyed him so that's when things started to go the wrong direction is high approval rating. So why don't I have a high rating with respect and the administration with respect to the virus, so the relationship became a bit frayed and then when I would see him in the Oval Office.

He would act like everything was fine and then we had that famous time when were chanting 5005 when it is not a bad idea. I think I will do that. Don't let me wait till I first I believe so mean I got I think if we had had the public health messages from the top right through down to the people in the trenches be consistent that things might've been different. In fact, I'm pretty sure they would've been different. Just spend a couple of minutes just summarizing the status of where we are as a measure of Tony Fauci's durability that the age of 80 is just taken on a new title for Joe Biden his severance present another chief medical advisor. So what were going to be seeing over the next months is much more of a coordinated synergistic partnership between the federal government and the states so I believe will get to see a turnaround and attitude when the federal government and states are working together as a poster you're on your own, you been talking already knew of experience to your own regret.

Employees of the partisanship's that's not going away well know it's not what we're averaging now around 2 to 300,000 infections a day about 3 to 4000 deaths per day. I mean you have to look at those numbers and say we've got to do something different. Your first great challenge is going to be able to get the vaccines in the arms right now things are getting better but they're going to get much better because Pres. Biden has made it very clear. This is his top priority. You know the goal that's been set, which I believe is entirely achievable is to have 100 million people vaccinated in the first hundred days" in primary and boost memory and goes yet another hundred yes yes rule is your sudden sofa for disaster meet the course then that's one of the things that was kind of refreshing in one of the first briefings that we had with Pres. Biden and VP Harris is that he said we might have setbacks but you know when that happens, but what to do, so not to point fingers when I can blame people when I can hide anything, to be totally transparent and honest than women trying to fix it for years to from the top undermining confidence in all of our institution intelligence. The media science that's been a pandemic of its own, it has an we've got every parent.

We have to because the country is at stake thoughts were to begin personal vaccination for no there's no vaccination. But I think maybe we have to keep showing by example that being united is much, much better than being divisive because divisiveness is really failed.

I mean, it has failed us in every single way. Some thoughts on the inauguration week passed from James Fallows of the Atlantic in the wonderful speeches, especially for new presidents boil down to telling two stories who we are as a country and who I am is the person preparing to leave for many significant alterations who we are with this health crisis in peril. Abraham Lincoln on the eve of Civil War, Franklin Roosevelt in the teeth of worldwide depression. Barack Obama, during another historic economic collapse for these presidents and many others. This story was the same country is managed but is not defeated. We must unite and sacrifice.

If we are to succeed, but we have done that before and can do it again we learn pressures democracies fragile at this hour, my friends democracy has prevailed, was also the story in this week's connecting Joe Biden's speech will write the next great chapter in the history of the United States of America. The American story to the poem by Amanda Gorman. We are far from polished, far from Christine Lee are striving to form a union that is perfect. They were both telling the story of becoming that Americans have relied on from the start, Joe Biden story of who I am was especially powerful for being understated John Kennedy story was that the torch has been passed to members of his generation, Jimmy Carter's that a man who would not lie optimism.

Biden story was. I will listen I care. I asked us all understand one another's losses and I will give my whole soul to the effort of helping our country and I ask every American to join me in this cause.

We are not even 100 hours. This is ministration there will be the first 100 days, then 1400 days more every obstacle we faced a week ago is an obstacle still but we have all made start listening. Please join us when our trumpet sounds again next Sunday morning with Gary this week Stephen Landau live Mitch McConnell in one of Washington's biggest midterm moneyman list for me to Senate races you think Republicans have the best chance of taking a democratic state that not George George's right up there with New Hampshire's surprise, New Hampshire people really just kind of don't like you have for more from this week's conversation followed the take-out with Maj. Garrett on Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts