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In our cover story, Ben Tracy examines how the American West is suffering from a catastrophic megadrought. Plus: Erin Moriarty explores why two men wrongfully-imprisoned for decades in Missouri are not being allowed to go free; Seth Doane talks with actor Matt Damon about his new film, "Stillwater"; Mo Rocca sits down with 93-year-old jazz singer Marilyn Maye; Conor Knighton explores UNESCO's World Heritage Sites; filmmaker Josh Seftel's mom prepares for an in-person reunion after a year of quarantine; and Lee Cowan visits a spectacular light show put on by synchronous fireflies. Lee Cowan hosts this week's "CBS Sunday Morning."

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Learn more@edwardjones.com as we do this is West talking about one it's always been a precious commodity.

But these days the West's water woes more severe than ever been. Tracy will tell us the drought drawing up reservoirs and farms is changing lives and livelihoods. The American West was once a symbol of endless possibility now is facing its limitations in the grips of a devastating drought and deadly heat waves fueled by climate change. This drug is really bad. It's one of the worst handful of years since they are 800 so that's really that's really bad and in any context.

There is so little water. Some farmers have simply stopped planting their fields.

The historic mega drought in the West coming up on Sunday morning. Matt Damon's movies are box office gold roles are as varied as a troubled young patient and good Will hunting to a former CIA agent in the Bourne identity the role he relishes most is one surprisingly close to home as he'll explain the septum over the last two weeks. Much of Hollywood's attention has turned overseas to the Cannes film Festival were Matt Damon's newest film got a five minute standing ovation that filter that I just was overwhelmed later on Sunday morning so this is the old port where the Army's role on France's southern coast payment throughout the Mediterranean Moriarty will tell us about the search for justice to wrongfully imprisoned men. Morocco catches up with singer Marilyn may still hitting the high notes Connor Knighton explains what's behind that increasingly familiar designation world heritage site Joseph tells mom is back along with Steve Hartman and more on this Sunday morning for 18 July 2021 will be back in it has been another week of terrible wildfires in the nations West with the worst of those fires in southeast Oregon covering an area about the size of New York City. One more consequence of the worst drought in a thousand, and Tracy looked at what's behind what some are now calling the mega drought, American West was once seen as a place of endless possibilities grand vistas bountiful resources in cities that somehow grew out of deserts now manifest destiny has become a manifest emergency but scorching drought made worse by climate change is draining reservoirs at an alarming pace.

Fueling massive wildfires and deadly heat wave and withering. One of the most important agricultural economies in the country. I'm really concerned really word Joe Philpott ski has been growing melons and other crops California Central Valley since 1985. These are melons right here, cantaloupes and honeydew is whether droughts before green but nothing quite like this well watered field it's been if water very efficiently and this looks like a completely different world over here that this is a fallow field. He showed us this field of dirt.

There is not enough water to plant a crop here this summer how much of your land.

Have you left on plant this year about 1/3 third yes at significant if that water doesn't get here we we will start to lose our crops so our crops will probably die Dale Muskie's water comes from the San Luis reservoir which is at just 30% of its capacity. The state has now cut water deliveries to many of its farmers who supply much of the nation's fruits and nuts and vegetables.

Bousquet paid for water, he now can't get sure you talk to your neighbors. I'm sure you talk to farmers up and down the valley.

What are people saying a lot of them are worried and a lot of them are mad if we have no water. We can form if we give no water next year. These trees will get water there going to die this devastating drought is not confined to California. It's impacting nearly all of the West. This drought is really bad. It's one of the worst handful of years since they are 880 so that's really yes really bad and in any context. Park Williams is a Hydro climatologist at UCLA. He says this is not just one long hot dry summer but instead it's what scientists call a mega drought.

This is really the 22nd year of a long drought that began in the year 2000. There are some rings that are thick and some things that are thin. Williams and his colleagues know this from studying the rings on trees which show how much they grow in any given year, so you can literally look at how close the rings are and say there was a two-year drought or a 20 year drought in the West, we can actually do this with our eyeballs the last 22 years actually rank as the driest 22 year period in at least 1200 years based on triggering records and so humans now are contending with the water limitation crisis in the West that modern society in this region has not yet had to contend with. We've long known the limitations of the arid West in the mid-1800s, the US government send geologist John Wesley Powell to survey the Western US water supply and bring back recommendations.

He warns of the West did not have enough water for a really widespread population and we kind of bent the rules along the way.

When we started figuring out how to damn up the Colorado River and divvy it up to the Western states 726 foot dam cowering from the canyon.

Colorado is the eighth wonder of the world Hoover dam in engineering marvel was thought to be a concrete solution. It harnessed the mighty Colorado River and created Nevada's Lake Mead. Still, the nation's largest reservoir. This water supply is what made Western cities such as Los Angeles, Phoenix and Las Vegas possible and allowed us to create some of the richest farmland in the country, but the predicted water supply from the Colorado River was based on 20 abnormally wet years at the beginning of the last century.

Now 40 million people in seven states depend on when we built that we have become reliant on so we have to deal with what we have. Pat Mulroy is the former head of the Southern Nevada water Authority.

We met her on the shores of Lake Mead which has sunk to its lowest level ever in the year 2000, the water came right up to the top of Hoover dam during the mega drought. The lake has dropped more than 140 feet so when this much water to me that enormous wake-up call.

Next month the federal government is expected to make an unprecedented decision declaring the first ever shortage on the river, triggering cuts to the water supply in Arizona and Nevada that will cost some farmers 25% of their water. So it's a tipping point.

Excess cancellation for Arizona, California, Nevada. It is a river system and a water supply that cannot fail. So without this are places like Phoenix and Las Vegas and Los Angeles possible. No, absolutely not. There not possible end of the day on those cities and that economic base is in dire jeopardy what the list needs more than anything you snow snowpack in the mountains melt throughout the summer and flows into reservoirs in the West. Snow is like our battery is where we store water GT Rieger is a water scientist at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory now are getting less snow. The snow season is markedly shorter. Is this something that is caused by climate change or something that's just made worse by climate change thing is something that's deftly made worse by climate change.

Climate change is making the West hotter and drier, which means more rain than snow is falling and much of that is evaporating over the long-term overseeing with our satellite is a picture of continual drying a NASA satellite is documenting the loss of water stored in the mountains, reservoirs and underground aquifers and is that what you're saying here.

Are we saying that progression that's exactly right. So these are some images that we've taken from April 2010 2015 and 2021 showing the study drying progression of water in the West, given how severe this drought is and how long term, how long would it take to recover from something like this, we would need a solid decade of really wet years, which is probably just knock jojoba ski has already let 70 of his farmworkers go sure how long he will survive if the ground drags out if you were starting all over. Knowing what you know about this climate now would you do this, I don't know. It was like a dream for me to build to do this because I was I was a son of farmworkers have a lot of people to defend Army hundreds of people working in the fields picking melons that are people just like my ancestors that came here, work hard to try to to make a living for the kids so the kids could go to college like I did in this country and their drink to it's hard to get your arms around the responsibility of protecting the world's treasures, but eating natural destinations over the work of humans, nine reports there's an agency trying to do just that, an Icelandic yokel means the water glacier over 3000 mi.˛. This massive ice cap covers more than 8% of Iceland yokel is one of the largest glaciers in all of your hand as my guide pointed out when I visited the pandemic has another recently recognized by white heretics being recognized as a UNESCO world heritage site of things that sure sounds oppressive and actually what coral reef in Australia cave in Kentucky in an entire city in Peru have in common to an office building in Paris to get some answers of the convention is to protect the most outstanding placeshave outstanding universal value for all of humanity for future generations. Now this building till roster is the director of UNESCO's world heritage center located in the shadow of the Eiffel Tower, which, yes, as part of another world heritage site UNESCO, the United Nations educational, scientific and cultural organization adopted the world heritage convention in 1972 the first list of outstanding places included 12 spots, ranging from Ethiopia's rock hewn churches to Yellowstone National Park today there are more than 1100 world heritage sites. There are culturally significant locations like India's Taj Mahal in Illinois, prehistoric Cahokia Mounds and naturally impressive locations like England's Jurassic Coast and Botswana's Okavango Delta this week. The committee is meeting virtually reviewing dozens of possible additions to the list get many letters every day people ride. Why is this turns on the city. This part not protected by UNESCO.

For starters, world heritage sites must be nominated by their home country and meet at least one of 10 defined criteria can be a masterpiece of human creative genius specific and Iceland yokel was deemed geologically significant combination of the great forces of nature, ice and fire, and the different landform that creates the scene the ice with fire and ice are in a daughter. The park manager forgot yokel which sits on top of an active volcano.

Icelandic officials spent years preparing a 362 page submission. When UNESCO's approval in 2019 2020 was the first year UNESCO. It didn't need any new sites, the pandemic preempted the annual committee seems in a way that it's it's a brand name. Is it more than that.

Is it more than just a brand. It is much more than a brand. The brand is very important but it's really an international system for protection. UNESCO monitors the sites. It generally doesn't fund the organization's power is largely tied to its prestige because it has to his reclamation also the tourism industry is investing around the sides. Because these are all of course at key attractions. So you see the baldheaded status helps UNESCO given also taketh away in 2009, Germany's Dresden Elba Valley was taken off the world heritage list after a modern bridge was built across the landscape.

I think it was a wake-up call that you cannot just do what you want.

You cannot do development which may be threatening the reasons why disciples listed in the first five, currently 53 sites what's known as the world heritage danger list more than 1/4 million people killed more than 11 million have lost their homes with the greatest treasure lost was the ancient city of Palmero, a world heritage site some micromirror in Syria are threatened because they are in conflict, so others like a tropical rain forest of Sumatra are threatened due to ongoing coaching, agricultural exploitation, US State Department, confirming the US is drawing from the United Nations cultural agency UNESCO US is currently part of UNESCO officially left at the beginning of 2019. Thanks to a conflict that dates back to this 2011 to admit that triggered a law to prevent the US from funding agency which recognizes an independent Palestine hopeful US return to the organization rules upon a time helped establish not only the sites in the US benefit and not from the baldheaded status that many American tourists around the world benefit from visiting the world heritage sites and from bad preservation and presentation. In fact, the US recently received another designation. The 20th century architecture. Frank Lloyd Wright was added to the list in 2019. Eight buildings from falling water in Pennsylvania.

The Hollyhock House in Los Angeles have been deemed world heritage word back here about the as with all sites listing alone doesn't change a lot, except perhaps perception make you proud. If I sent it.

But now this great value for the whole world.

She first began entertaining audiences at the age of three is Morocco tells Marilyn may decade later still like to know when we first singer man.

Back in 2018. Hard to believe the cost stop but then Cove it happened. He turns out, nothing can stop singing lost a very valuable year for me.

I miss my whole 92nd birthday discount their estimate 90 in April celebrating. How else with a sold-out show theater, but it's really strange long time a company will Marilyn may say this point she sings pretty good for 9320 she sings rings around almost everybody and she still the greatest of the string cabaret headliner in his own right, may some 40 years. He was just 17. She's always kind of been like my acting name and away you go all their moments when I'm just watching her profile. I just have these out of body, she's what she's been doing for nearly 8 decades now is singing on vinyl on the right show's still a crowd favorite. You need has always been the road and 2020 was shaping up to be a big year for her. I was looked a lot more than usual. I think they thought the old girl is gonna kick off any minute so we better hire is COBIT spread, so did the cancellations for me and traumatic for me traumatic. This is what I do know this is kind of my whole being is to entertain and sing that Great American songbook. This is what I was put on this earth to do. But I can't cook Marilyn man wasn't about to let a pesky pandemic stop her, so she sang whatever she could try hometown of Kansas City. I tell you without a live audience on public television and then last summer in Provincetown, Massachusetts, always smile and applied a lot and stand up and cheer a lot this year they cried, but the world needs now the tables and cried.

So the performance took on a whole other meaning, absolutely. And for me where you see Marilyn man five years still doing tricks at the end of its today if someone would ask me.

You know I would think of this when she turned 80 would still be doing this at 93 and now it's just past the point where it's like will why not go to 100 good times and sometimes seen them all still moment in this past year what you thought you know what, it's a global pandemic.

Maybe I should think about retiring. Never you know never what I do know that it's not in my vocab word no is taken out with bleach again this week.

Stephen law ally of Mitch McConnell in one of Washington's biggest midterm monument list for me to Senate races you think Republicans have the best chance of taking a democratic seed with Nevada not Georgia.

Georgia is right up there, but New Hampshire's surprised New Hampshire people really just kind of don't like that you have for more from this week's conversation, follow the take out with Maj. Garrett on Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

Imagine serving decades behind bars for crime he didn't commit to become an almost familiar story but as Aaron Moriarty explains innocence always mean freedom.

My job is to apologize last May, something extraordinary happened in Missouri courthouse. It is important to recognize when the system is made and what we did in this case was Jean peters Baker that Jackson County prosecutor issued a public apology to a man she believes was wrongfully convicted. Mr. Strickland, I am profoundly suffered but tell me back step. Kevin Strickland sentenced to life without parole in 1979 fry triple murder has waited a lifetime to hear those words how much it.77 weeks so so watching her while every bit of polishing. She just turned 43 in apology. Even from the prosecutor is all he gets. Strickland is still in prison is a great deal of pain in here what I missed out on my jeans and light family words as I don't and shockingly, his situation is not unique in Missouri lost last six years as a closeness between special father and his daughters understood this important life for more than two decades 47-year-old Lamar Johnson has insisted he was wrongfully convicted of the murder of Marcus Boyd in 1994 Cadillac things like a friend. It was one of my best to years ago, the top prosecutor for the city of St. Louis, Kim Gardner agreed with him, and filed a motion for Johnson's release based on what she called overwhelming evidence of innocence. Yet Johnson two remains behind bars.

We have a long-standing so-called innocence problem here in Missouri. It doesn't stop and start with Lamar Johnson and Kevin Strickland.

It's decades old and administrations old Lindsay Runnels Johnson's attorney and Tricia Rojo.

Bush now Strickland's lawyer laid out that in both cases the real killers pleaded guilty and have already served their time for the murders. How is that you mean agreement with your client. In Missouri it's absolutely unusual. I can't think of another instance in which we've experienced that and in most states.

When the prosecutor and offense attorney are in agreement inmate is released. So what's going on in the state of Missouri.

I thought that when a prosecutor finds this overwhelming evidence of Lamar Johnson's innocence that good people would react and do the right thing but unfortunately that was not done in this case. These are the introduction of cases that we have to look at Gardner's office created a conviction integrity unit five years ago to investigate cases like Johnson's, and what we uncovered was devastating not only to myself but said that, just the system. Lamar Johnson was accused of being one of two man who shot Marcus Boyd on this porch. Both were wearing schematics like this on a dark night.

It was an eyewitness who initially told investigators that he couldn't see the faces of the shooters, but that he later identified Johnson as one of them.

I told her that I mowed my trolley did not imprison never explained why supposedly did in June 2019 motion asking for Johnson's release. Gardner said that the only eyewitness who tied Johnson to the murder had recanted and admitted he had been pressured to live by investigators.

What's more, Gardner's office said it uncovered prove that the eyewitness had been paying thousands of dollars by detectives back From Johnson's attorneys. Gardner concluded that much of the evidence presented at Johnson's 1995 trial was false and perjured this man lost 25 years of his life all lost victims who lost we let everyone down and asked was about is about justice and trust in the system. A system of fairness for all but the Atty. Gen. of Missouri, Eric Schmidt successfully bought the motion, arguing that because Johnson's verdict was final and he had run out of appeals. Prosecutor is like Gardner don't have the power to ask for his release. It's not the merits that ever challenged. It's the procedure that challenge there too late.

The Atty. Gen. argues yes and it happens frequently. I do know that the Atty. Gen.'s office for a long time is had a practice of opposing every case, regardless of its merit. They think that their duty is to defend every judgment, no matter the justice of it. Sean O'Brien is a law professor at the University of Missouri Kansas City shows that the wrong person was convicted even with new evidence. Gardner appealed this past March. The Missouri Supreme Court rules against her stating that quote this case is not about whether Johnson is an ascent. This case presents only the issue of whether there's any authority to appeal no such authority exists was disappointed talking about life for 26 years refused not to reach.

As for Kevin Strickland, the Atty. Gen. is fighting his release as well and just this week filed a new brief insisting Strickland got a fair trial.

We have a system that cares so much about finality of a fairness person that we've known for decades and is still sitting there. Atty. Gen. Schmidt declined our request for an interview for now. Both men say they are trapped in a baffling legal limbo. Sounds like lots that help that got you self problem is I don't know what else to do, what else is needed. Only thing is that I haven't been able to present his God, I wish there were something that Missouri Gov. Mike Parson has the power to pardon both men has so far declined to do so, and then there's this state legislators just pass a law that will soon allow prosecutors like Kim Gardner to request a hearing for innocent inmates but it's still no guarantee of freedom in every exoneration of been involved in. I come away with the same impression it was way too easy to convict and way harder than it should've been to correct that conviction. If and when Johnson and Strickland are released. Neither will receive any compensation.

Is there any way that the state of the survey can make you whole state of Missouri evicted everybody there with me for three years back.

The ability to enjoy the small things. What is the first thing on her true finally prevailed. She does about the rest of my life was Peter's department in St. Petersburg Florida when the sun rises. Alex sets for his impromptu therapy sessions surprised at what people tell you now is a trained therapist actually works for the city water department but in these early morning hours.

He's a trusted confidant and counselor to whoever passes by René Rothstein is a regular everything about me to feel weird sharing all your secrets to a guy on a bench because they say, is not judgmental and he takes you for who you are, Bernadette Dorset Mills, so she has never been a wiser man. He's like the boss at the same time I don't hear you talking a lot will I do see a lot of nodding. What you do know know listening number one skill all mankind needs to know very well. Skill is clearly mastered when Al started coming here seven years ago the therapy was for him.

He needed a quiet place to clear his head. The last thing he wanted was to hear other people's problems with that woman he'd never met told him something he'll never forget this. I know everything is going to be okay maybe realize that someone let them know I value you when I want my something you get a chance to chat with him because they are the people waited in line appreciation for always being there not long ago else faithful put a plaque on his bench to a loving and loyal friend and a confidant forever and always felt how can such a simple black when you ask with someone you they give you back what you everyone it's Sunday morning on CBS. Here again is Lee Cowan Oscar-winner Matt Damon may be best known: good Will hunting his latest movie though has them playing a dad from Oklahoma and it turns out, playing the dad's role.

He knows well known is in conversation with Matt Damon carpets were out of storage and back on the sidewalks in the French Riviera city him this month remaining rollup last year to cove it delay did not dampen the glitz in the anticipation festival at the premiere for the movie Stillwater Matt Damon and his team received a five minute standing ovation. I watched a video of you have the premier got choked up when I just was overwhelmed that we can sit on this movie for so long and the idea that back in the theater like a thousand people were you surprised that it touched you. I don't know I'm getting old man. I think I get choked up easier now since I did my jobs become a lot easier because I don't have to try out enough to reach for any motions.

Whether it's joy or whether it's pain or whether it's because it's all just nearby. Because the stakes are so much higher. He's famous is a leading man and action hero. We learned the role this actor prioritizes most now is dad to four girls and in the film Stillwater set to be released in the US later this month.

Please a father who travels to France to free his daughter from prison. She's portrayed by Abigail Breslin mission is all the more complex because demons character Bill Baker and oil rig worker from Oklahoma does not speak a word of French. The movie had all the elements you'd probably expect Damon would consider one that has nothing to do with any studio. We kind of had a family meeting about it and my kids let me do a movie you know I really wanted to do it on the dime to work with Tom McCarthy, the director, I just thought it was such a beautiful story such a great role.

So I tell me about that family meeting you sit down with your wife and your girls and say what you think. Yeah, I mean they I like that they know that I love my job. They know it's time-consuming and that it's a lot of work and that fills me up you know and and actually this movie is the first time we have a two week rule our family that were not part for more than two weeks and this was the first movie where we violated so that was really tough, tough and and really actually helped.

I think it's because of it was very easy to, you know, access, you know what I needed access because I was really missing my kids to keep the two week rule know it's been firmly reestablished. Yeah, it's off the table whenever break was intense even before they started shooting. Damon took a road trip with director Tom McCarthy through Oklahoma to uncover the details. He says your key to making a film believable.

That's where they made an oil rig worker named Kenny Baker is one of the guys who took us around is just a great guy. We call them throughout the shoot to just get, you know, maybe tweak a little line of dialogue or ask question about where I Michael lead community is an actress and she invites me to go to the theater. Sounds like theater theater in case theater map like so stuff like that is very very helpful to have an expert you know in your corner, studious actor who went to Harvard appeared just as at ease during our time together holding ancient Greek authors so great that Aeschylus quote were discussing his beloved Boston Red Sox that would like take the Red Sox that same range we see on screen as Tom in the talented Mr. Ripley figure out a way to grow a stranded astronaut in the Martian, or as the title character in saving Pvt. Ryan doesn't make any sense or why why why why deserve the go.

He's earned five Oscar nominations with one win over the course of making more than 70 films, but he's not afraid to hit pause on his career when his father died in 2017 and his wife Luciana guided sort of plot twist for the family temporary move to Australia you know when my dad passed.

I had also many vivid memories of life. You know little camping trip to the things look silly thing like we went for two days and got rained on somewhere like, but but all of the stuff was flooding back to me and so I was talking to my wife about it and she said that we went down there and we we traveled all over Australia. We camped. We just we just had an adventure for for a few months. The 50-year-old actor told us she will not work. Again this fall as the family gets settled in New York. The kids in new schools, but their growing up with a lot more stuff than their mom so we keep an eye on that you worry about that I worry. But no, I I think when I got to Harvard I met a lot of very wealthy, some of them were in a lot of pain their parents work there, you know, like at all and I remember thinking oh I like that's money doesn't solve anything you left Harvard and would go on to finish that screenplay, which made him famous with cowriter and childhood friend Ben Affleck would win them the Oscar do a lot of people still connected with good Will hunting. Sure, fewer and fewer. You know younger people don't know it is much you know my 15-year-old refuses to see if she doesn't want to see any movies that I'm in the two things might good with me. She just likes to give me my daughter was said member that move you to the wall is called the Great Wall is that is nothing great about, so she keeps you write my feet firmly on the ground. We found the superstar on fussy happy to clap to synchronize her cameras and self-deprecating during our stroll through Marseilles where they shot the film everywhere like a T-shirt and a baseball hat like this and just like a waiter.

Damon told us he blends in so much that he remembers when he was single and shooting Bourne identity in Prague. He could not strike up a conversation with women in a nightclub problem well my friend turns mangoes all my God your movies and come out here goes.

You got no formatting, no and so became my my name come to Marseilles to the local crew. The special screening is dependent may have delayed Stillwater's original 2020 release date, but that delay only deepened Matt Damon's appreciation for being in at movies and watching stuff on my television like everybody else for a year and 1/2 and go back in the theater and be reminded that turning the lights out with hundreds or thousand you know strangers and taking in some gatherings really wonderful throughout this pandemic. We been checking in with contributor draw setup and a small morning. The moment they been waiting for the rest started packing my pills.

I believe you have an outline she's already 10 months old. Are you excited to meet her way really waited a long time were you doing to get ready physically for this trip.

Trainer great weight and exercising with baby if I'm cradling my swinging, go baby romper are you getting stronger. My lines are actually getting in shape to yourself. Do you feel like you know he loves her food. What's your relationship to her watching what you think you first started believable when I realize that when I really started me like her entire life member not being present when babies she would come in this very knowing I was like her job as a grandma last year he is the training you ever feel like Rocky when he was running up the steps. Are you feeling strong 20 oh now.

Are you done with the training for no ready will see what his father are speechless. What you think this means there is like your arms.

I think it was right you see training trainers coming Sunday, only Texas, Louisiana, home to a flooded forest cypress tree I we count thanks for listening and please join us. When a trumpet sounds again next. This is intelligence matters with former acting Dir. of the CIA.

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