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Let's partner for all of it. Learn more@edwardjones.com morning Jane Pauley and this is Sunday morning. It's known as passing the centuries-old practice of light-skinned African-Americans can pass as white objective estate, racism, and perhaps gain some of the advantages of white privilege, but it can come with a heavy price, not least troubled conscience. Michelle Miller takes us back in time is up to what he thought passing hole? A new film about passing tells the story of two black women live on opposite sides of the color line has been John the you see it felt to me like the best way to make a movie about color as and with the technical the phenomenon of passing coming up on Sunday morning a friendship that started on the campaign trail has evolved into a real-life relationship, complete with a podcast on a book Anthony Mason tells us about a duet. Barack Obama and the man known as the boss looks like a buddy movie with a pair of unlikely costars requesting that as we look at each other and so were in this together.

With regard idea of creating more noble, which wrestle with. It seems it's trespasses is essential to the future of the country. Later on Sunday morning, Barack Obama and Bruce Springsteen friendship. The influence of their fathers, and the state of the union we swap them spray them and then we scratch David Pogue introduces us to a man with a new approach for taking on mosquitoes climate change was contributing to the spread of deadly mosquitoes around the world and there wasn't much we could do to stop them.

I learned that whiskey does kill more otherwise healthy people than anything else on the planet but Google programmer had an idea for a novel solution began with the construction of a product.

We controlled mosquito breeding factory life outside fire whereabouts really appreciate how we are incredibly the idea works. I had on Sunday morning a different kind of debug sandstone catches up with Jane Goodall and her 87th year she is working hard to save the planet, Lee Cowan talks with the great one Wayne Gretzky about life after hockey and more. It's Sunday morning October 24, 2021 and will be back after this. It's roots are in the pre-Civil War South now.

Michelle Miller tells us a new movie based on a nearly hundred-year-old novel explores this very complex subject with you talking to me.

It's been a theme in Hollywood for years from indication of life. One thing to the human stain guard from the one thing you and offscreen. The subject of passing crossing the color line is just as complex world sees me as white, at least visually.

Chicago lawyer Martina Hoehn says she's lived her whole life balancing her black mother's identity with her European father's privilege or passing any point in your life. I never passed intentionally. I have never liked thought to myself, I'm going to pretend that I'm white you walk into a room, people assume you have the power of a white person in this country, you know, and that experience is not the same experience that most black people have in this country, so the family there is clearly black, you're just some with the exception I'm just on that melanin challenged and family spectrum. Lisa Funderburk is the author of black, white, other and also mixed race.

So there are all of the advantages that come with appearing to be white, right, you can get a cab, you're not followed in stores, but it also means others expose their racism to you. They do it in comments. They do it in behaviors and your witness to it, that is me with my dad. She says passing describes when a member of a particular group is perceived as a member of another. I talked to people who are gay who talk about being straight passing. No one they encounter will necessarily know the full breadth of their identity unless they choose to tell it to people and it is up to you to either disabuse them of that notion or to correct that were to challenge that or not you have ever thought to what?

This week a new film will put into the spotlight again. I'm trying to find out the history of the long, long, these aren't always what they seem to have base of the 1929 novel by Harlem Renaissance writer Nella Larsen.

The movie called passing tells the story of two black women one who actively passes for white, the other does not has been John the you see Rebecca Hall directed the film saying it's about racial passing, that is, it was so about these other modes of performance.

These other binaries male-female gain straight identity is facilitative cross-section between the story we tell about ourselves and the one that society tells us on yeah yeah Julio best known for her role in Vicky Cristina Barcelona Hall is making her directorial debut for production hair pull it off. She spent time in Harlem show Center for research in Black culture and fill on the street and I ran inside to Vegas, go to IP is too ambitious to formalize to back away to what you told Negrete and Tessa Thompson are her stars happy coursing as you said everything to have the privilege of ambiguity and protagonists on screen is really rarefied as women characters, particularly women of color did it because he reflect on who you saw yourself.

So for me it's about belonging everybody in the person of color or anybody's margins are different. It's a simple is when you will canoeing the scans that you don't consciously choose words from me safety and belonging. Both actors say they've been faced with stereotypes of racial conformity. I've had that experience from various Reebok or they are not black.

I mean, it's amazing day with intonation was voicing no undergoing up with ideas like you don't talk black, you don't talk like that you know which year there shouldn't be a uniform idea in terms of blackness is probably time when we all engaged in some form of passing Stanford historian Allison Hobbs is written a history of racial passing in America. Perhaps somebody made an assumption about us and we went with it. Hobbs says passing dates back to the time of slavery versus a means of escape and survival. Then later on in the 20th century in response to so-called one drop rules which made it illegal to discriminate against anyone with any black blood still some of the black community. Consider the active passing as a betrayal of their identity and remember passing wasn't always black-and-white. Someone who is from a lower socioeconomic status might decide that they want to pass as someone of a higher excessive economic status. A woman might want to serve in the military. If we think about. Before women were able to serve in the military, and might decide to pass as a man during the period when Chinese people were excluded from coming into the United States. Sometimes Chinese immigrants would pass as Mexican. Of course today, the world becoming more multiracial. Hobbs says is almost a thing of the past. Still, there are lingering effects person who passed had to sever their relationships with their family, their friend, there were very high emotional stakes to passing something director Rebecca Hall discovered firsthand. My grandfather was African-American and sparse white hall is the daughter of British director Peter Hall and American opera singer Maria Ewing, she says, telling the story of passing also meant confronting her own family history, which included some uncomfortable conversations with her mother as I idea it's pretty much all my life.

Look at her and think he looked like a black woman to but it was not something that was really spoken about that. She then did tell me about some incidents of pretty ugly racism towards her father when she was a kids. She told me that he she asked him once and he just looked at the floor and said I idea for you Hall unearthed the black heritage. She says she's proud of Larry Sheen which a mass of people extraordinary people did extraordinary things.

Black people were proud to be back on my mother's death does not mean she didn't know her grandfather's name.

Sorry emotional you think they be sent home, dedicated, or fill in for something a 13 year long labor of love to her mother country.

I want it to invite a decisive that's about the gray areas of what's left for us to determine this is the good guy is the bad guy, but I think it's the place of TO look at the shades of that in between. Because if you end up being too rigid about who you think you would be time to panic.

That's the mark of the story mosquitoes.

Those annoying insects that never seem to miss the barbecue do a lot more than leave an itch to scratch, but help is on the way and leave it to David Pogue to find out about the deadliest animal on earth is not the shark or the snake or the scorpion or even us and you guess it's mosquito like the one in this model the American Museum of Natural History. The diseases they carry, kill over a million people a year and in the warming climate there spreading to new places in 2013. A particularly nasty species arrived in Fresno, California 80s. The Jeep day.

She gave all this is a female that will bite you multiple times.

She's very, very aggressive, Julio Heyman works for Fresno's mosquito control department. One thing that you can say with great certainty is we don't have any very strong methods of control for this particular mosquito spraying insecticide mosquitoes that fills other bugs to so how do you solve a problem like that you died that barely what I wanted to do was a variation on something called the sterile insect technique. After nine years at Google working on its chrome web browser. Linus Upson wanted a bigger challenge and Pharaoh Google sister company was willing to fund his experiment is a sterile male meets with a fertile female shall still produce and lay eggs, but they will catch each generation get smaller and smaller and you can actually completely removed from area Upson hatched a plan factory churns out millions of special meal mosquitoes, each carrying a harmless natural back. It makes him incapable of reproducing release those males to meet with the wild females with the EPA's blessing course and presto the mosquito population limits in theory, the sorrow, Google's director of automation gave us a rare Massaro's marvelous meal mosquito making machinery. This thinking goes that there was no one larvae praise flooring robots for the next six days this robot will keep mosquitoes warm be them company. The females are slightly bigger than the males. The next step is to separate the boys from the girls using a glorified separate 97 through 99% of males and females, but 99% isn't enough leasing any females problem works. This machine photographs studies the picture to determine the sex and then blows away the female that works, that has worked incredibly well that were no finally these bands release the sterile males into the wild senior scientist Jacob Crawford was in charge of measuring the results very clearly remember the huge drop in the hatchery.

I stood up and ended up dancing and I was her first field data showing that this this this could work it really worth it really did work got over 95% suppression while population your first outing. It was that effective, and we hope to make it even more effective. Still, by releasing over larger areas for longer periods. Debug Fresno ran for three summers, 20, 17, 18, 19, and that was it was a three summer prototype to work out the bugs and the problem with the sterile insect technique is that if you don't keep releasing the modified males mosquito population bounces right back is on 2020. Sharing best Started to light up again another heartbreaking conversation to have this really great effective program, but it can come back with the Fresno test proved that Linus Upson's idea really works without chemicals, genetic engineering, or affecting any other species verily is now setting up the program in places where mosquitoes actually kill people like Rico and Singapore horse verily is Silicon Valley tech company is not doing all this for free. The goal is to make this a sustainable business. The pitch to governments will get rid of your mosquitoes less than your spending on the diseases they spread. It's been a strange satisfying second Linus Upson how is not a web browser right is not his nature is not all within your control. Different kind of bugs were doing talk about unsung accomplishments. David and why do I have the feeling there's plenty more where that came from. There is Jane that mosquito story is also episode number one of my new podcast. It's called unsung science in each week's episode tells the backstage story of a breakthrough in science or tech from the characters who did the breaking through. Like the biochemists who figured out how to get the mRNA vaccines to work or the NASA engineers who got the rover to land on Mars all by itself or the storm chaser who discovered that something weird is going on with tornado alley or the linguist who makes up the fake languages for Hollywood movies.

It's all free unsung science.com or wherever fine podcasts are played and it wasn't episode one can find out how that mosquito program is doing, and Singapore. This is intelligence matters with former acting Dir. of the CIA. Michael Morel bridge Colby is cofounder and principal of the Marathon initiative project focused on developing strategies to prepare the United States print your sustained great power competition states put mind to something, we can usually figured out what people are saying and what we can know analytically and empirically as our strategic situation motor situations not being matched up with follow. Intelligence matters were ever you get your podcasts over some 60 years, the legendary Jane Goodall has redefined our understanding of primates. The relationship between humans and animals and she tells our Seth stone, she's only just begun.

It's how you might imagine Jane Goodall to be steps just met and were setting up with the famed naturalist was more focused on a visit from a Robin a lot then or camera crew will be.

She first learned about the bees. And yes, the birds here at her childhood home in Bournemouth, England, looking out on this garden, dreaming of another world and the rain forest of Tanzania groundbreaking work studying chimpanzees in the 1960s m and National Geographic cover girl at age 87. She can still be found on the front of magazines and running a conservation Empire for Jane Goodall Institute dedicated to protecting wildlife in the environment has chapters in two dozen countries and program to engage youth around Google's own fascination with animals started when she was a kid, spending hours in this tree with library books because I let anything Africa books about them no intention of being a scientist ghosted that thing.

She started as a secretary then landed a job as an assistant to paleoanthropologists Louis Leakey he was on the lookout for a quote fresh pair of eyes and fiery spirit like Kayla is passionate and Katie had an understanding of battles and he felt that women might be better in the field might be more patient. Also he wanted somebody had been to college sale and unbiased mind. Leakey raised money for Goodall to spend six months in the jungle study season via little was known about them at the time so they were your earliest observations.

Goodall filled stacks of journals with notes on Skype every night. While this 3738 3940 every minute you were noting the behavior. Crucially, she witnessed the chimps fashioning and using tools something believed until then, was unique to humans. Did you realize that what you were seeing was so extraordinary that it was going to make a huge impact that a lot of people with things to believe what they believe that tango and evening college but editors at National Geographic were intrigued.

They sent a photographer cameraman Keuka phenolic and when his fellow started doing the rounds showing the attempts using little things to fish for termites company there was a directive from National Geographic to not only focus on the chimpanzees were for Hugo did that bother you phosphate okay he'll have light in a wilderness boudoir. Ms. Goodall lathers her blonde with water pure enough to drink it put me in a line item that I did not then the littlest press about if you send me money. Thinking about that because she's got nice saying something. Did you feel objectified different world and so well if it's my legs truly help me get money to study the chimps. Thank you. That photographer became her husband and they had a son together and in her decades long study those chimps also became much more to her only flunky okay baby flow health and it's almost like you're showing the family photo chimpanzees shared 99% DNA.

The difference Goodall points out is the development of our intellect makes it said intellectual all great kids on the planet is destroying it. Anyhow, that's your mission now and the effects of climate change Americans typhoons the flooding the files so that key important thing is to give people hope we can get through because if you don't have hope lightbulb. She's written a new book on hope and calls it a survival guide for trying times.

It's part of her race to reach as many people as possible. This planet had infinite resources that finite can come to an end.

So what if we carry on with business as usual pre-pandemic. Goodall said she was on the road 300 days a year. Now she lectures and hold meetings from her room in the attic virtual Jane as she calls yourself. Do you want to be this busy release why you do it because it's a message to get out that Celestine left ahead of planned wells falling to pieces you feel this urgency means a lot of talking.

Have another set.

She says whiskey soothes her vocal cords attending to couch potato dealio along soothes pretty much everything else sick all day so I can imagine that you've ever sat all day really does along the English Channel again clear she's drawn to the natural world, but protecting that means shifting retention now have to speak to bankers, lawyers, CEOs, what you say. People have to change from within, and that change. Goodall says can start small, but he can do something when you go shopping you can still get this product on the environment is made was a quote cheat sheet to keep because of unfair wages you're asking people to do a lot.

Well, why not if they care about the future, especially if they put children don't have to do it all.

If you just pick one thing like eating less meat and just do something. It seems likely pairing former Pres. Barack Obama and the boss, Bruce Springsteen, not so Anthony Mason explains how shared experiences can forge a friendship is the present unit the drivers as well.

The highlights of my time on this far on the will of this memo should is a 1963 when you got 25. This means your life when you bought it. Everything is all I got when I was 25 years old, was this God I got a piano. Well I will confess with the Secret Service in the rear view mirror system and the president hitting the road if it looks like a buddy movie. Well, it's kind of become this friendship started really into thousand euro Bruce Western decided to help out some new US time at present boss in 1969 I was a 19-year-old kid playing in a bar in Asbury Park. Like the land and last year they sat down together for a couple of days. Springsteen's New Jersey farm talk about their lives and our world.

When I look back on you. We're all idiots at the time those conversations became a podcast and now the book renegades born in the USA you described was a little simpatico Brewster was measured how much better rock 'n' roll start politician, which of course it is. There is a certain sense of ministry to Brewster's body of work is around these issues of war.

That's the question what's important when I'm doing my job is to create a space of common values and shared for 3 Hours We Create Pl.

It exists, the power is best work. The Baltics as well.

Here's what we are here is a common story which I have brothers, sisters, nieces, nephews, uncles and cousins of every race and every few scattered across three comments and for as long as I live I will never forget that in no other country on earth is my story even possible that a lot of the stalls are sometimes 450s beaver fences and that was a genuine short story except leftovers. People like me left where Bruce and I sort of overlap is that sense of it was necessary to revise the story of inclusive people go to recognize the country for what it is, it's false its blessings. One thing that's interesting what people would look at this and what different way from New Jersey, but I like what would've come you will see yourselves as outsiders. You talk about feeling invisible story of all artist issues that you start you start from the outside. When I was young for six invisible but I fought to find out where I belong.

Bruce is a water water outsider workers outside Barack Obama is the outside of what I do think we both shared was that sense of having questions about how we fit into the existing narrative that into the news that will born into partly because Bruce Dr. Butler, Debbie insert my bed was absent for you both. Talk about having essentially absent fathers, and I think that contribute to that sense of what I don't know exactly how I'm supposed. Let me ask you this because you said something in the project. Brewster really struck me, which was that in many ways. Your work was really about your father. More more less conclusion, I come to you doing to try to be creative physical self. I thought it would approve of the success that I thought he would approve of. But I also felt a certain sort of guy was an instrument of revenge for the disappointments that my father had his life and so I started to intentionally tell these working-class stories that were filled with both hope and compassion. A lot of anger also very similar meet. Why did you become president who you trying to impress someone your father's absence drove my father was absent the left when I was to once for about a month. That's interesting how influential a month called dreams for my father died know how unusual was it to have an integrated human podcast conversations they touched on some tough subjects.

I think why is it so hard to talk about race why my years died in 2000. President Joe Barton is pursuing policies to be pursued available to bridge the polarization we see building up over several decades now for I was able to slow that down as much as I would've liked. And certainly my successor will actively promote worker have to figure out how do we regain some sense of a common American story, and I think that is a longer-term project that's that's a 1020 year generational process. The good news is that there is more of a common story among young people, but the older folks like us with words polarized history still do what I do things can happen. Just look at the friendship of Barack Obama and Bruce Springsteen making friends as you get old. In the later parts of your life is really rare right. The loan will bring roadrunner wardrobe right thank you for listening. Please join us when our trumpet sounds again next Sunday morning this week. Stephen Long live Mitch McConnell in one of Washington's biggest midterm moneyman list for me to Senate races you think Republicans have the best chance of taking his democratic seed with Nevada not Georgia. Georgia is right up there with New Hampshire's products to New Hampshire people really just kind of don't like you have for more from this week's conversation, follow the take-out with Maj. Garrett on Apple podcast or wherever you get your podcasts