Producers’ Pick | Josh Rogin: White House Sabotaged Pelosi’s Taiwan Trip

Talk show that's real. This is the Brian show the FBI and MI five and Great Britain came to America and send everyone that the risk of doing business in China is is intense. A Steeler intellectual property they sort of take and then turn over and send you out our universities here are infected and they in China have learned a lot of lessons by what's going on in Ukraine. They are watching and they are going to try and figure out how sanctions won't affect them in their gonna wait for their time with Taiwan in their risk because they can disrupt our supply chain and that was Congressman Brad Winthrop, who was a medic in the Army and he was just talking to Fox and friends this weekend. Talk about the dangers of China and how it all goes to Nancy Pelosi speaker the house is in Google visitor want to cut in about a month and when Pres. Biden was asked about that.

He's not Ford and now China is outraged by threatening something severe will happen if she in fact visits Taiwan Josh Rogan Joy just now author of chaos under heaven trump she in the battle for the 21st century Washington Post columnist Josh welcome back. Would it would be why is China so upset that the speaker might go and what you think our reaction should be trying to be clear, the Chinese come to party gets upset every single day about every single thing and you know we can fall into the trap of falling for this fake outrage every time a couple Congressman want to go to Taiwan or we can tell them that Americans have the right to go wherever they want whenever they want, whether or not it offends the delicate sensibilities. The Chinese Communist Party.

It doesn't matter right that should be our policy first. Okay. And how dare they do they think they are to tell any US representative whether not they can go to Taiwan which is a democracy where encouragement all the time. But the reason this became such a mess is because the Pelosi staff in the White House couldn't get on the same page. The couldn't agree on whether or not this was a good idea right now and you know the ministrations as well. You know what we really want to crisis.

At this moment we got a lot going on and the Pelosi steps as well. That's what can happen so what are we just never going to go in a way they're both right, but the point is that you would think a Democratic house you know leader and Democratic ministries could just get on the same page could have a talk about it and figure out what America's policy as well because they're so disorganized, discombobulated. We look like we don't know were doing then the Chinese ramp-up threats make everybody scared and take advantage of the fact that were so dysfunctional that was going on. So when this was posed to the present. Before used diagnosis positive for COBIT.

This is what he said well I got a good idea right now I don't know what the status of really that's not helpful, but it shows weakness, which was equivocating, doesn't it, and you understand how they view what you would stay. You were in Japan for a long time you really got to know this region right what Biden did was for somebody confirm the trip with me secret little pointed is that you go you don't tell the Chinese too far in advance.

Then the time to threaten you for a bunch of months and then everybody gets all scared you don't go the whole point is to keep it a secret until he basically touched down sub- that plan. First of all second of all, he revealed that the administration of these concerns, but that his staff had been trying to work it out with Pelosi behind the scenes quietly so he really screwed up negotiations at the same time because you know they're trying to convince policy hey listen to what's with the laying maybe after election. When you're not really speak ready by me shall be speaker but you won't be speaker be okay.

And then, but that was the people like what the heck. Now they feel like they have to go though.

It's just a mess. Okay. And this is what the Chinese love best when we all know were doing because then they can go around like oh, look at you look at the situation. Look at the Americans and their the aggressors and everyone else in the region doesn't know what's going on this particular like a broader strategic confusion about our Taiwan policy rhyme, which is really the big big problem which is that Pres. Biden opens his mouth he says, yet working to defend Taiwan. He said it three times already publicly each time the White House with a walk it back.well we don't know we have this thing called strategic ambiguity to what I can tell you one way or the other and to the everyone else in the region like what what it will be supposed to make that how is that you American foreign policy where the president and the staff say two different things and I was was a plan for that and again this gives the Chinese live managers they shouldn't have, because everybody knows that if the China text I want us to be terrible terrible for the world terrible for Taiwan, it can make this whole Russia, Ukraine, war look like a walk in the park.

Okay bad so we should increase our deterrence. In my opinion be clear that working to defend Taiwan in my opinion, and then you don't tell the Chinese that hey, that's a free democracy and were free. Democracy will visit whenever we want. You'll just have to lump it. That's what I think our policy should be, but is not. I hope it is in the end, I know we show weakness but we could save it by going and he could say that it's unbelievable that you do you know if one thing I haven't heard speaker policy anything negative about Pres. Biden ever so you gotta think that they could work this out behind the scenes. Also, the president is never like you gets walk back, but he never corrects he got walk back with Taiwan but he kept saying the same thing over and over again. So knowledge is what to be honest when I agree with truck with him through the present. Biden on this I Taiwan I think he's right and I think his staff is trying to rein him in and he is the present United States and if he thinks we should defend Taiwan.

Then ultimately he's can make that decision.

We have this thing called strategic ambiguity which is supposed to preserve the status quo by not telling anybody what our policy is, and it's very clear to me at least into a lot of other people like securing Mark Esper who just got back from Taiwan. Victor Pompeo just got back from Taiwan and a lot of Democrats to say listen, this situation is getting really dangerous and I was in the region last month and it was clear to me from all the Chinese generals promising to attack Taiwan that the Chinese are planning to attack Taiwan doesn't mean they can do it today doesn't mean that they can do it today but as soon as they believe they can get away with it.

There probably going to try okay and what we do between now and then is really important. We need all these other countries in the region to join us. And when you of the present United States and his staff in the speaker.

The housing three different things about what our policy is that doesn't inspire a lot of confidence there.

Would you think China would have you heard is Chinese take away from Russia's troubles in the Ukraine. You know what they're learning is how not, how did you do it better there practicing how to do it better. So first of all, they learned about nuclear brinkmanship prudent threatened new custom Chinese building hundreds of nuclear weapons. For what reason to rush us back if we try to interfere in Taiwan.

Then they learned about sanctions. Another taking other banks out of our system and preparing to get sanctioned member hoarding food and supplies and fuel ingrained so that we try to cut off their economy that will make it just fine for a while and then what they're going to do is the doctor make his mistake which was to slowly attack their regular do it fast, and that can be brutal and thousand people argument Diane that's why we have to stop it and the only way we can stop by the way is to make sure that they don't think that they could pull it off. And that means arming the Taiwanese to the teeth with the stuff you need to defend from an invading army and were not doing that right now we need to speeded up and fast.

That's unbelievable that were not doing.

I thought we were doing that we had some advisors on the ground.

Yeah. Okay, those can be some was to give out enough to say a couple other things in terms of what China is doing with their zero covert policy why they not backing off that they see it destroying their economy. They see what they have to do to their own people. What are they doing are they going to continue to do this in Shanghai and other places. Yeah, I mean friendless and we have to be careful when we analyze the Chinese commerce party's top leadership because it's kind of a black box. But what the concern is is that they can't leave eliminated their ability to change course.

In other words, she thinking is about to be crowned for his third term defense essentially makes him a dictator for life in China he's killed or jailed. Anyone who might challenge him to in that system.

If you're the guy was like hey, wait a second for zero covert policies taking our economy and it's crazy because the variance a work that way anymore. If you say that you're going to die or go to jail. Your whole family so no one says it so were in a dangerous situation where the Chinese commerce party may not be able to admit a mistake ever.

Which means they just double down forever. Now that's what the body demonstration is worried about when that when Nancy Pelosi like him to go to Taiwan today like when a second. What if the Chinese are so crazy at this point that they can feel compelled to overreact and then we can have a crisis, we can have a war same is not a legitimate thing to think about trying to saying that we can't overreact to that and at the same time we have to realize that these guys are thugs are basically operating like a mafia organization right now and the way to deal with criminal organizations is to apply the law and to do the right thing to show strength and you know that requires America speaking with one voice and leading the world and that's where I think about administration as well as personal power is America's will follow your Fox weather updates throughout your busy day subscriber list of Malik Fox News*just*, for wherever you get your project did write about what our diplomats when they go to zero because it would cope it would happen to our diplomats. You want to go shopping want to go out today.

Are they immune to this. Not only are they not immune Brian but what I discovered is that a bunch of them over a dozen of them were thrown into these fever clinics.

These are Chinese government medical quarantine centers that look like a prison. Act like a prison walk like prison talk. It's a prison okay and for them to scoop up American diplomats and their family members for testing positive for covert and throw them into these covert fever clinic prisons is outrageous.

That's against the Vienna convention on diplomatic relations.

They been doing this for years. The embassies try to fix it now. Not to mention was 40,000 US citizens in Shanghai who got locked down can get food can go to work and leave their apartments. You know, the Chinese government abuses its people horrendously, to 1° or another for your Uighur urine.

You're probably in the camp. As a regular Chinese person you just monitored everything you write and thinking and do things or social credit score for Americans in China. The situation is getting really really bad, and the ability of US government to protect Americans. China's going way down and I heard your leave and when you think about doing business in China. What are these corporations doing how are they, you know, investing in China and putting Americans in money invested in China and moving their corporate others are supply lines to China while being every piece of data you see every trade is going really negative okay because the Chinese commerce parties becoming more aggressive, more repressive, more expansionist and more interfering in our lives when that that's what's really going on in the US China relationship in the Pelosi kerfuffle is just one small piece of it. So when I hear these treasurer experts in these economic experts a will which is removed.

If you want to get inflation down what you move some of these Chinese tariffs. They don't work anyway something of myself. Okay if they don't work why China wanted off so badly and why did tribes bite and take forever to take them off as he undid everything else prompted your take on Josh. Of these, these triumph strike home his own writing to Richard Wolf. Brian, you hit the nail on the head. It should tell you something that the Chinese the thing the Chinese commerce party wants Moses for the tariffs to go know if they were useless if they didn't exert any pressure, then why do we care about them so much. So that's one thing.

The other thing is that it would help inflation at such a tiny bit of money is not even the things that are causing inflation towers of three years old so it's not to do anything that's just a lie. The truth of the matter is that the reason that there's so much lobbying money in Washington going into the peak, the Treasury Department and the committees that run the stuff is because Wall Street and the Chamber of Commerce want to do a favor for the Chinese commerce parties so they can get a favor in return and make money on their short-term balance sheets while increasing the risk of American investors in a Chinese commerce party that's building the machine that's attacking our democracy and our way of life okay and the corruption of that scheme is not well understood by most Americans. But that's what's going on.

You got Wall Street firms who are trying to get access to the Chinese market to make a little bit of money before the whole thing goes cope with fluently, and they're willing to sell out America's national security to do it and that's what the tariff debate is really about is not about whether or not working to get inflation down .00003% if that even is true. It's about our regular continue to fight China's economic aggression which is pointed at us, which is aimed at our prosperity or not and if we are, then we gotta keep the tariffs and actually do more because the more investigations we gotta keep on them about all of the things they're doing wrong it's electoral property theft of trade subsidies and we have to realize that Wall Street is playing on the wrong side of the fence there helping the Chinese Communist Party raise our money from us to build the machine to attack us. That's crazy. That's what we gotta stop. That's the big weakness in our US China strategy a couple things that we have Josh Rogan are just here for the Washington Post offering his expertise in the region to 12 point worth pointing out something become understood but evidently the Pentagon's been studying all the intercepts with China aircraft and ships in the Pacific region over the last few years and the conclusion. China's been significantly more aggressive and dangerous over the last five years that according to general Millie I'm not sure why had to do a study on that just just still looking at the news we've been seeing that which significance in them going public with that is he goes to Indonesia over the last few days. First time in a long time you know there's just no part of the US government that is waking up to the fact that the Chinese communist party is becoming increasingly problem in ways that affect free and open societies all over the world in ways that affect our lives in the spines one part of it. You saw FBI revelations this week you saw, you know, there's just everywhere you look, and you know I might be a start of the pandemic unit which is again came out of China was covered up of the Chinese know investigations but put that aside. You know if U never got covert. You must realize at this point that we've got a problem here and now. The fact that Mark Millie is saying that okay well this buying is gone way up, yet it that should be pretty obvious, but it just goes to show you that you were always sort of thinking. Oh well, what's going on with Saudi Arabia was going over Ukraine. China's the long-term challenge and the more attention that Americans have the more awareness that Americans have about their plan to change our world order in ways that benefit them and make the world safe for autocracy and repression, and against us. The community of free and open societies, the better. So I think the fact that he's talking about more, but don't think anyone surprised right yeah they said talk about more the general Millie when we do we can we invest in our Navy and kinda respond to.

Are we going to. That's one message you could be sent as much of one per handout. They look at that is weakness.

We learned that with Iran as well as Russia Josh. The other thing is a lot of people point to the fact that prison binds This rich experience in China talks about how well he knew present. She when you second in command, but he doesn't talk about how his son, his business interests over there for years. You think that matters when it comes to foreign policy would ensure that he would you deduct from this of course it matters because the Chinese commerce party seeks to not just corrupt our leaders, but it to crop their families and their children, and they're not the only ones that do it, but that way the Russians and the Saudis do it too, but the Chinese do it more okay and they corrupted Neil Bush you know, the son of the George the other brother George W. Bush son of George W. Bush and they corrupted Hunter Biden okay and I'm not even talking about the things that are good from talk about things that he's admitted to and the deals that he's already been published about that. There's plenty in the open source without even wondering what else is out there that shows us that he was trading on his family's name to make money from China for things that he had no business being involved in skills to apply Josh got ended there. Would you have a blizzard of knowledge and opinion and extremely valuable. I have no idea what you not on CNN every hour. Josh Rogan, thank you. Over 100 meteorologists handle worldwide resources a fox in your box, whether podcast precise personal powerful subscriber Melissa Malik Fox News projects.com or wherever you did your