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I could literally spend four hours on one game. It's not the Super Bowl, but the NFL is so big and it's such a behemoth. And there's so many people way again that really anxious to to unpack everything that we saw just a few hours ago at arrowhead Stadium before I say anything no man alive once again the chief spanned at home remind me that they are among the best in the business. I've been to arrowhead Stadium. I have been there on the field for a football game. It is so loud you can't hear yourself think.

Also, it was so cold in December that I could feel my feet by halftime, but that's that. It is such an amazing place to watch a football game, so I hope if you ever have the opportunity you take it back. I really think we should have a Super Bowl at arrowhead Stadium because it would be made thing. Probably not the same atmosphere but still pretty cool. As I say we could spend four hours just on this one game, but we are not going to do that, being very careful not to touch my monitor tonight because, for those of you who are with us to start the show last night.

All I did was look at it I gave it aside. I and all of a sudden my screen went completely dark and I could not get it to come back on for a good 10 minutes.

It was during my God, and so all right not touching it, not looking at it, just get a focus on the task at hand which is yes the end of week five in the NFL. You believe that just try it on for size. Week five in the NFL it done it in the book but here we are also going into the division round of major league baseball playoffs. We have to make sure that we talk about the magic that are coming up more to the point we let you hear them talk about the match ups that are coming up, but we've got a lot of football to weave in and out of our divisional round preview all four series beginning on Tuesday. I hope you cleared your schedule. Hope you have nothing else going on. Oh wait, that's my life. Don't be like Amy. Whatever you do, sometimes I think about it mused to myself, why would anyone want my life so unbelievably boring, but I do know you have to call. I have no idea why there's no reason for it because I do know that this time of the year. I intend to have a more negative view.

I think simply because it's all-consuming but it's good for business, so not to complain.

It's after hours with Amy Lawrence on CBS sports radio. You can find me on Twitter a little radio also on our Facebook page after hours with Amy Lawrence. It's a subjective thing, roughing the passer.

That's why it's not ever going to be called uniformly from one game to the next, from one week to the next. What if you were on the competition committee, what would you change how you define it like to think that it's all completely one sided. I actually got a few tweaks from listeners who believe that the NFL should be doing more more to protect its quarterbacks. I did not respond to that guy.

He is absolutely entitled to his opinion, the one who brought up to, but what it did remind me that this is in fact I think a reaction to to, we've now seen two separate reactions. First, from independent spotters and those who are in charge of concussion protocols and we seen a reaction on the field when it comes to calls. I truly believe whether it was NFL induced or not meeting whether the league said that internal memo or hold its referees and officials.

This has to be a point of emphasis absolutely the last two days with the controversial roughing the passer calls have to do with two and a baby in FL did put that into the educational materials put that into the tape after multiple conversations with Jean's territory was a long time NFL referee I know every single week. They get tapes and they get grades and they get coaching and input from the league about what to look for and how to officiate certain elements.

There are always points of embassies, so maybe even if we don't get confirmation from the league. That's what the NFL did but knowing, for instance, the roughing the passer penalty and Grady Jarrett of the Falcons on Sunday afternoon late in the game against the box that once it looked similar to what happened with two the way that Grady grabbed her around the midsection and kinda rolled them down to the ground. Do I think it was roughing the passer. No. Do I think the hit that Chris Jones put on Derek hard tonight was roughing the passer. Hal know what else is he supposed to do. The idea that it's going to be subjective. We have to keep in mind right because these are not the same officials from every every game. This is not New York, who is making the calls. There is no review of subjective calls for the most part member. They tried that they tried that was subjected pass interference calls.

They tried to make those reviewable and it turned you into an unmitigated disaster and so subjective calls just by nature I don't think should be reviewable unless they can be measured. But in this case, roughing the pastor is the judgment call of the referee and of the officials who are on the site but I do think you're compensating. We certainly know that the new concussion protocols Teddy Bridgewater Noble concussion symptoms whatsoever. He still in concussion protocol.

He hasn't once shown any signs of a concussion or any signs of flags in protocols.

He's been cleared repeatedly, but he still in protocol.

So were seeing an overreaction in the NFL to what happened with two minutes manifesting itself multiple ways, but also we've been leaning this direction for years with roughing the passer penalties I said before I tweeted it got a lot of response to it. If we cover the quarterbacks in bubble wrap would then be acceptable to tackle them.

The number of jokes that I saw on Twitter in the aftermath of the Chris Jones penalty about touch football and that's coming from people inside the league current players and not just defensive players, authentic players to the number of people who play football for a living or incredulous at the roughing the passer call called against Chris Jones and the Grady Jarrett call as well. I don't necessarily believe that millions of people can't be wrong because of course we know that happens every day. The mob mentality of social media, but I do have more respect and I do take more heart. The reactions from people who are still playing the game are coaching again for letting I saw a Guy Like Sean Payton Way in Michael Parsons.

By the way, if you didn't if you didn't see what he tweeted.

I shared it myself on Twitter again a lot radio but Michael said they wanted to play like were playing in the Pro bowl told me the favor. This is not football anymore.

I know we have to protect the quarterback, but Chris Jones was recovering a fumble. We have gotten ridiculous with this. Now I'm not sure I would advocate what Troy Aikman said which is for them to take the dresses off yeah that what I think may draw a sternly worded memo, but that's Troy Aikman rate listen to our friend Boomer Esiason. Not only is made multiple appearances on the show but frequently complains about everything in football and sports every morning when we cross paths with him. Nothing is a really good mood just lately because the Mets don't tell him I told you Boomer tweeted these two things don't get Boomer quarterback BJ played for multiple franchises including a Super Bowl what is happening to football. That's Boomer quarterback, not a defensive player and then right on the heels of that QB's might as well wear flags again.

These are quarterbacks who are saying that Kurt Warner same thing you'll hear him in a second.

So my question to you is what we do because I don't think it to be a free-for-all. There needs to be some protection for offense of players and you can go back now.

We got almost an entire generation recent decades worth maybe not a full generation, but a decade toward the defense of players are trying to figure out how to tackle without drawing flags and again I'm trying to to keep in mind that these are subjective, that what one referee or one official sees isn't what the next game.

The next game official will see in and when I played college basketball. I always had to remind myself every official rent for referees or make calls differently. It's our job as athletes to adjust to them what I would say over and over to my teammates what outer by myself over and over is as long as they're consistent you're calling it the same way for both teams. It's up to athletes to adjust. I dove you saw are you remember the plane I have to go back and look at the defensive player figure the name of the defense of player.

I don't think it was the Max Crosby sack but I could be wrong, where he grabbed Patrick only got a spot around the room to the ground that was in a flag and that's okay. What's infuriating is that it's not called the same across the board. Number one, number two, it's gone so far the other direction where defense of players really can't even make a tackle and by the way, some of the stuff on Twitter's hysterical about at this point, a defensive player has to walk up to quarterback tap him on the shoulder and say hey I'm tackling you or hey this is a sack I read it's pretty funny. Some of these so the lines are on social media and you know me sarcasm as my love language so I couldn't help it is much as I was mad about it because I hate that football is become this or that this is what were talking about in football when the games were so good and so interesting and the product on the field is so dramatic it's so scintillating it's so entertaining were talking about two calls and how many days and how many snaps over the weekend that annoys me. Now I say all the time. I'll say it again no game. The outcome of no game ever comes down to one snap, one moment, one call, even at a horrific call. It's not that simple. Games are not decided by one play. That's just it. That's dumb.

Otherwise, why they play 60 minutes. It just that's not football it's not really any sport and so I hate that narrative that the rats are giving the game to this team are giving the game to that team in case you don't remember the roughing the passer penalty against Chris Jones happened on the final Raiders drive of the first half so final Raiders drive of the second quarter there was a minute 13 to go knowledge that he fumble in Jones recovered it, but that was all wiped out, and so they were given a first down.

It did ultimately lead to a 50 yard field goal by Daniel Carlson.

At that point the Raiders were up 13.

Did you see what happened inside the stadium. The fans went crazy they didn't stop booing but is not supporting their team and tell the team got off the field and into the locker room and and by the way, it may have given that Matt right Matt right was there there filling kicker may have given Matt right all the extra juicy needed to hit a 58 yard field goal with his or have time and are behind that field goal. He must've felt like he was the king of the world course he had missed earlier at a miss.

Later, but in that moment he was walking on air and the support, not to mention that turning point of that call James again. From that point on. The Chiefs were in control.

So is much as people want to point to hey there absurd giving this to this team involve all it's not that simple. That call should've helped the Raiders and I guess ultimately it did with three points. But it lit a fire under Kansas City through to get to all the big moments Diamante Adams wow Travis Kelsey double wow yes roughing the passer. Yes, going for two when you're down by one. Late in the game. Yes, friendly fire if you don't know what I mean. I will I will explore as much as football is serious, is it not also hysterical.

Sometimes the things that happen on a football field.

The best reality show in TV who my time of death when I do a lot of laughing these days I will be sleeping okay. Find me on Twitter a low radio also on her Facebook page. What should what should the NFL do what should officials do. How would you define roughing the passer again. We do want to protect our most valuable commodities and and you know quarterbacks on his time off is all because report is not sure just teasing, but how you define it all also let you hear from Chris Jones, Travis Kelsey Demott Adams, who made a huge mistake. Huge mistake, as he was walking off the field. You may not still been paying attention but up a moment that he already regrets probably regretted right away will explain so much to unpack from Raiders and Chiefs to wrap week 5+ that rule gets fired in Carolina. We get an update on multiple injuries because that's Monday and in general we get a sift through the rubble of week number five if you haven't yet voted for mortification Monday. The teams that should be most mortified on this Monday. We've still got time. That pole is up on our show Twitter after hours CBS or my twitter thanks much for hanging out with us. This will be fun and it's gonna fly. This is operating system talking, not your computers or phones your internal human operating system and feeling a little overloaded.

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It's all about exit 107 staff is really nothing will use after-hours Lawrence is a little lost for words. And obviously Kevin Harlan does a phenomenal job calling the calling the fumble even as I look up at the network there is.

You know what's crazy about this is that Chris Jones had one arm use the other arm to balance his fall and to make sure he did not collapse his full weight on Derek car.

I mean it really athletic move for a man of his size.

No joke go back and watch it are pretty. Today we have a chance of you want to use the video on our show Twitter after hours. CBS. He actually had the ball in the crook of one elbow, he got the ball wrapped up like he's Josh Jacobs with the other arm he's falling down using his left arm to actually brace himself, so he didn't land directly on Derek car i.e. it's really amazing athletic feats of strength I would've looked much more awkward that after hours with Amy Lawrence on CBS sports radio would love to hear from you on our show Twitter after hours CBS or on our Facebook page. Of course, so how about Chris Jones. Let's hear from him about that roughing the passer call late in the second quarter of Monday night football. You look like that. Initially you know briefly if the holder for being so loving know all there is. Sleep is you take a look at the rating. Of course, in which an initiative were able to maybe no norms and no scalded teams gain before bell spot near the Baltic. Who knows what would happen but not to be able to look at that little videos faster as fast as you will happen that is the route you a lot parishes will be called the Paris of all rental passer call which you again that the I love how he says it could affect us. In fact, according to Travis Kelsey that roughing the passer call had the opposite effect Raiders. She's very special room to start off a little slow: or where you got not only as part of that entire stated for correct nobody you know you can see doubt in anybody's eyes would do was just, you know, almost build beast is made us can't grow together some sort of the wagons in a way and just and fight for children know you see that out of us minutes arm know the place before bone build the beast. I mean there are a lot of pro athletes that I absolutely love watching, but Travis Kelsey reminds me why football is my absolute favorite sport to cover he is he he's tough as nails. He actually loves contact Travis Kelsey would like to hit you as much as he's willing to do the dirty work.

Whether he's catching four touchdowns in a game on seven receptions, or whether he's blocking whether he's a decoy whether he's providing an option for Patrick Holmes to get into trouble. He's willing to do the dirty work. He's committed to his routes. Oh my gosh, the guy could stop on a dime. I got that big can slam on the brakes and turn on a dime and he knows his quarterback, which I also love the two of them have an incredible rapport little bit like ESP. He also loves to dance. If you've got a good judge of whether or not is a great dancer, but I I find it amusing. So I'll think it dancer.

He loves to dance and for those cameras that pregame that are put in the end zone and he knows where they are and he will run by them and do some kind of crazy dance and dive his size.

Nothing to do with rubbing the passer, but just the fact that Travis Kelsey is phenomenal and pretty much every way shape or form. It's after hours here on CBS sports radio teams territory was a guest actor. This is kind of funny. Our frenzies territory, whose longtime metafile official actually college basketball rep as well on the show multiple times. He was watching the game. Do we follow each other on Twitter so I know that he was watching the game. He thought it was going to be an easy Monday night.

He was eating some popcorn hanging out on his couch and that was what one called them up and said hey we need you to weigh in on this roughing the passer penalty and the fact that there up into really controversial calls of similar nature. In today's so with Kevin Harlan and Kurt Warner genes territory gave his opinion on these two roughing the passer calls yesterday with with Brady in the in the Atlanta game. Just as in the roughing the passer call tonight.

I thought that was kind of a two layer with the play we had with Jones tonight where I actually believe he has possession of the football before the players get to the ground. So in that case, looking at a body weight or what may have taken Carl suffers to about that call to be was a little perplexing because I think we have a change of possession prior to actually the body slammed the same thing from a 10,000 foot area look were in the week five teams of you know everybody's got their football legs under them.

Now the officials need to get get up to that same pace. At this point that he's actually saying there's a little bit of wiggle room at the beginning of the season because officials there figuring it out to. Sometimes there are new points of embassies. Sometimes they get directions from the league just like the football players themselves.

Sometimes their shots sometimes they have a couple weeks where they need to settle in, but he absolutely agrees that those are not roughing the pastor calls not only was the grading chair. It the relapse of the opposite of roughing the passer. It looked to me like he wrapped up around the midsection had nothing to do with his head, his shoulders and neck anything like that, but although he points out that Chris Jones had already taken the ball away from Derek car. So how can that be roughing the passer when you can't pass without the ball. I call the crazy and and actually the response so there's up there's one pull skews me on the hiccups and there's one pull reporter who has access to the VI head referee and that pull reporter he's allowed to ask the referee to defend well to explain the reason behind controversial calls and so there was one pull reporter who did reach out to Carl Schippers who was the referee I want to redo his initial reason why and you can shoo on this question for the pull reporter Adam Katcher is this, can you explain why the play of Chris Jones stacking Derek car was called roughing the passer shepherds. The quarterback is in the pocket and even a passing posture. He gets passing posture. I would try to make fun of this he gets full protection of the of all the aspects of what we give the quarterback in a passing posture when he was tackled.

My ruling was the defender landed on him with full body weight.

The quarterback is protected from being tackle with full body weight. My ruling was roughing the passer.

For that reason. So then the follow-up from the reporter.

The fact the ball came out before the quarterback landed on the ground in the player landed on the quarterback does that negate the penalty at all know because he still gets pathing protection until he can defend himself. So with him being in a passing posture and actually attempting to make a pass without the ball. I parked sorry. He's going to get full protection until the time he could actually protect himself. The fact that the ball came out and was subsequently recovered by the defendant is not relevant. As far as the protection the quarterback get so nothing changes. As far as the rule when he loses the ball. That's a follow-up again. Just as if he had thrown the ball he still gets protection. It's the same here is just a loose ball of another sort, but he would still get protection that is afforded to players in a passing posture that extends after he's no longer in control of the ball. So anyway, regardless of whether or not he has the ball. He's a quarterback and so we might as well have a red jersey on, but also the fact that Chris Jones did attempt to brace himself with his free arm. Apparently that was. Not visible to Carl Schippers, Marco, which looked away in hello Mark, I just feared your contemplating over there I can see your brain will look I get what he saying I look if you're listening you're throwing in the motion of the Vulgate strip behind you for the blind side and somebody else pops you with a helmet.

Yeah, it's a good one to be in rough the past depend illegally on the people's like get we say the problem is Christians almost.

I mean, I think I've lived on the couch harder than he landed on Derek car you have to use your common sense sometimes inside test. I get these things move fast and it's hard sometimes to see it but that your job okay so you like your job, part I get it drop part so tough that yeah it's just it's not. I know that if you live in full body weight. I don't like that rule that's really that's what it is. He did not use his entire body weight and he did the best he could to avoid Derek car while also glad football. To be honest with Chris Jones did athletically is pretty remarkable for his son. No piece to 25 pounds and he managed to keep the ball in his right arm and put his left arm down the ground. Animals, like knowledge Derek car side is falling seriously back and watch that I didn't doesn't want to go to the ground to have the presence of mind to do that you're going full speed and stripping the ball ever. What you did was a ridiculously athletic play and the official just flat-out botched like he's a somehow a ballet start something is phenomenal. Just all I'll be fair between these two under both ranges calls and drain bulgur actually didn't use the full body weight so that he flung Tom Brady for which like all asinine. If you actually watch the play is over what is said. The bridge uses full body weight. I would've at least listened, because he kind of rolled over on top of the grid to the reason why he was kind of pushing them aside was debris was kicking. That's why Bernie Jenner what he was getting all tumbling's actually kicking him out of the way, he came off the bus, so I understood that on first view I can see where you were thoughtful.

Body weight long him none that were going to flung him a funny pulling Tom Brady anywhere is much as we want to check in. The quarterback said I go hello Donna Moore with it.

I hear you. I get it. We all want them to play but at some point. What can we give the defensive player so ability to make up for me were not asking for a level playing field because that's too far gone nova but at least allow them to tackle that she was tackled just by the law of gravity want them to do so. This is operating system talking, not your computers or your phones, your internal human operating system and feeling a little overloaded. Here's how you can ease my stress. Close your eyes are soft wikis that something in front of you. Now inhale for four counts Excel for six keep repeating much better. Longer term, there's better help online therapy still not just with a licensed therapist. We can connect with via video phone or chat. Is it better help.com/positive and save 10% on her first month ball season is here to stay connected to your NFL see your station your show. Follow your favorite stations and come back again to get real-time updates on everything you care about is your show effects are awesome read what the Odyssey is NFL football live and on-demand wherever you are. Whenever you want. We mention it's three dome of the Odyssey out today is watch okay running a little late to get to the actual game coming up next. It's after hours with Amy Lawrence.

You are listening to the after-hours podcast on whose splint you will be after-hours time to talk with the Lord's. We had the top of the hour that we get the so I will not talk much and allow Kevin Marley, Kurt Warner, our local calls to take over bought it with a T.

Nothing leave for Vegas midway through the second quarter. It's after hours with Amy Lawrence here on CBS sports radio Travis Kelsey obviously want the best tight end. The appellant ever seen. He's now top five all time and yardage recently passed Rob Gronkowski.

Seems like because of his longevity. He's in his early 30s and he's 33. Every time he steps in the field.

Now it is effective.

He continues to climb the charts a little bit because it is the age of the tight end in the NFL. To be sure we got some pretty amazing tight ends and so his first touchdown gets the cheese on the board and then we get that roughing the passer call late in the second quarter will get back to the top of the hour were asking you if you're on the NFL competition committee. How would you define roughing the passer. So find us on Twitter after-hours CBS or on our Facebook page will put that aside for now because the majority of our first hour has been spent on that though we do have more reaction. It actually lit a fire under the chase after the Raiders tackle a field-goal courtesy of the driving extended and the ball being given back to them. Following the roughing the passer call. It was an opportunity for the cheese to answer right before the half and they did and when Matt Wright hit the 58 yard field goal, the crowd that was still blowing the officials. It went up and roars. I mean, it was phenomenal. The knowledge gap is there with the support and did you notice it got really to be on the field.

After that Patrick will hold is to be well, I don't think he was pushed aside, but it 80 read. Try to get back about the field of peace agreement that Raiders anyway got really to be and there's a lot of extracurricular conversation going on in the field so it was a 10 point spread still in favor of the Raiders at halftime and Travis. Kelsey takes over the third quarter so you don't so springing up shoulder start with a touchstone for this first all the way back all the way back from 17 points down. If you're Raiders that you already know the second time this year the Raiders have coughed up a 17 point lead.

Though they lost by very small margins in all four of their losses. They continue to have trouble protecting leads the ravens can identify, but they also have trouble playing an entire 60 minutes of football and so Travis gets his second and third touchdowns in the third quarter and as you here with Mitch hold his own teeth radio that puts them in front all not done. There is more for Travis Kelsey assumptions 23 once again been told is on teeth radio not here's where it gets oh so entertaining in terms of the Raiders and their decisions, their end of game decisions and Josh McDaniels will hear from him after the top of the hour, but the Chiefs are sitting on a one point lead because Devante Adams then gets into the end zone on his second long TD of the night, and he and Derek are deathly do have a connection that predates their time with the Raiders there trailing by 1.3229 and the Raiders decide to go for two which would give them the lead not the time we seen this multiple times Brian Gable Giants week number one, but this is different is different because you're assuming that Chiefs are to be able to do anything with the football anyway regardless that's a good call that Josh McDaniels makes and then on top of that they do get the ball back and the end of game couldn't have got worse for the Raiders looks like Chris is overthrown is incomplete when looking for flags see to go to preserve the what I mean it could go worse for Las Vegas at the end. I hope you weren't betting on the Raiders although got a really noisy about the spread but not only do they see Josh Jacobs at the line when he goes for two main Josh Jacobs had a career-high rushing yards and he was amazing.

They they really were unable to stop it but they stopped him on the goal line leaving the Raiders trailing 30 to 29 get the ball back on fourth and one they tried pathway to Renfro. It's after hours on CBS sports radio operating system talking, not your computers or phones your internal human operating system and feeling a little overloaded.

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