Gospel Topics Chapter 8 Smith Part 2

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R. M. Yesterday we began looking at chapter 8 in the book the LDS gospel topics series a scholarly engagement. This chapter is dealing with a gospel topics essay that was published publicly by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints on December 17, 2013. It is titled plural marriage and families in early Utah and the title of this chapter is remembering forgetting and re-remembering 19th-century LDS plural marriage. The chapter was written by George D.

Smith, who also wrote a whole book on polygamy in the city of Nauvoo so I think George D. Smith has the credentials to certainly write this chapter. Any brings out a lot of very interesting information.

Today were going to begin looking at the bottom of page 214.

He writes when the Latter Day Saints migrated westward from Naboo Illinois to the great Salt Lake Valley.

They collected polygamy related primary documents intended to cement their communal memory. They also sought to counter allegations from the recently formed reorganize Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.

Now, the community of Christ that plural marriage did not originate with founder Joseph Smith but was the innovation of Brigham Young yet until the Saints were secure in their new home in the Mountain West.

The marriage practice that had brought civil disruption in Naboo went largely unspoken. Let's back up a little bit because it mentions the reorganize Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, and he talks about it now known as the community of Christ. They change their name in 2001. Yes, they were known as the reorganize Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. They did not hyphenate latter day and day was a capital DI know that's not a big deal but too many Latter Day Saints that is a big deal, but when it says that the LDS people were trying to counter allegations from the are LDS that polygamy are plural marriage did not originate with founder Joseph Smith but was rather the innovation of Brigham Young.

That's what it taught for a number of years they never tried to equate Joseph Smith with plural marriage, and here's what bothers me about that though MS math Joseph Smith's first wife, Emma Hale was her maiden name. She knew otherwise and yet why don't we find a concerted effort on the part of Emma to correct the record for the reorganize Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. Why did she allow that lie to go on. She knew that Joseph Smith most certainly was practicing plural marriage and that he was the instigator of it all and yet at that time when Emma was living the are LDS church did not hold that Joseph Smith was polygamist because that's what she was telling her sons and they they interviewed her a number of times. In fact, she was interviewed toward the end of her life and she continued to hold that Joseph Smith had not been married, polygamist Lake, but we have lots of historical evidence to support otherwise. It's interesting because one historian who is not LDS Jan ships. I remember her being interviewed about this subject and the name of Emma came up and Jan ships said something to the effect that Emma was in the practice of forgetting which is interesting because that's really the chapter title, remembering, forgetting, and re-remembering 19th-century LDS plural marriage. I think Jan ships was trying to be kind, perhaps to Emma Smith's memory, but I still have a problem with that.

She knew otherwise and yet refused to say anything. At least that we know of, but she went along with the why letting her sons. As you mentioned, Eric, and the entire are LDS church believes that this was all something that that evil.

Brigham Young brought up in the course. Brigham Young was not looked upon as being any sort of hero by members of the are LDS community. The chapter goes on to say, following at least a decade of polygamy practice, mostly in secret. The LDS church in 1852 publicly announced the practice and in 1876 included the revelation as doctrine and covenants section 132. What's interesting about this that I don't believe Mr. Smith brings up. There was a special conference just to announce the practice of polygamy affect Brigham Young gave that quote unquote honor to Orson Pratt. He was the one that was allowed to tell the church that now we are going to go public on this practice, where as you can see from this paragraph. It certainly was practiced in secret.

He goes on to say pressure against plural marriage had increased when federal laws initiated by the moral anti-bigamy act of 1862 and the courts, notably in the Reynolds versus United States decision of 1878 lined up against the practice and put the opposing parties on notice to reach a solution though this is an interesting paragraph that he has here because when he mentions the moral act. First of all, you have to understand folks it's it's not spell MORAL it's built MORRILL and moral was at this time, a congressman from the state of Vermont.

His name was Justin Smith moral and he introduces this anti-bigamy act in 1862.

Now if you're familiar with what was going on in the United States in 1862, you know that we are right in the middle of the American Civil War, Abraham Lincoln did not want to be distracted with the problems being caused by the more and so even though this anti-bigamy act was passed, while Lincoln was Pres. Nothing was done about it. At that time, they would wait until after the Civil War was over to turn their attention to this practice that was unique to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints when it mentions the court case of Reynolds versus the United States that came out in 1878 it. Speaking of George Reynolds, an interesting bit of trivia here is that George Reynolds was found guilty of practicing plural marriage and what's fascinating is that his daughter Ethel Georgina Randles ends up marrying Joseph Fielding Smith who becomes the 10th president of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. You can see the whereabouts of polygamy all over the place. This is why when the comet is made that it was probably not very well known among Latter Day Saints.

This is why have a problem if you assume that that is talking about the state of Utah because polygamy in Utah. It's not that big of a secret among a lot of the people that we have talked to around here, perhaps living outside of the state.

Okay, I might give you that, but probably not for most members who live within the state of Utah.

He continues and rights LDS Pres. Brigham Young married some 58 women supporting more or less 27 families and participating in at least 31 afterlife ceilings, young reason that plural marriage was in part a moral alternative to prostitution.

He declared that plural marriage protected women who would otherwise be single and would have no proper means of financial support. But the United States did not see it that way. Let's go back LDS Pres. Brigham Young married some 58 women. Now if you were listening to yesterday show. We cited a New York Times op-ed journalist by the name of Timothy Egan. He cited that Brigham Young was married to 55 women I've also heard as few as 54.

I've also heard 56 so you're going to find that when people are talking about the plural wives of Brigham Young. There's going to be a discrepancy in the numbers. I personally don't let that bother me. Many times I'll usually tell people what I'm discussing the subject well, we know that Brigham Young at least had over 50 plural wives, but what it says supporting more or less 27 families and participating in at least 31 afterlife ceilings. Now let's just look at those 31 afterlife ceilings. Add that to the 58 women that George D.

Smith mentioned specifically in this paragraph, you got 93 wives. Certainly, the 31 are not really significant to what I'm about to say let's look at the 58 that he talks about whether was 54, 56, 58, who cares. The point is you have a man like Brigham Young and a lot of his top lieutenants and I would mention. For instance, Heber C.

Kimball, who had around 40 wives as well. They're having all these wives in a situation at that time when there were few women in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints in Utah.

It's a party near religion and so there were more men than there were women. So when you hear Latter Day Saints say well there were so many women who didn't have husbands and there were not enough men to go around.

That's just not true. There were more men than women but yet even though as George Smith is going to talk about the necessity of practicing plural marriage in order to be exalted in the next life you have these top leaders in the church.

Well, can I use the word hoarding all these women and that's exactly what they were doing they were taking away females that were needed for other men in the church if they hope to receive the best Mormonism was offering its members at that time we mentioned yesterday, Jacob 230 was one verse used to support the idea that the book of Mormon teaches that God said polygamy was okay. It says that only if you're gonna raise up seed, which is to have children, let me give you a quote that comes from Wilford Woodruff's Journal.

This is page 42 of volume 5 that's published by signature books. The same publisher that published the book for review and right now this is what Brigham Young said.

According to Wilford Woodruff. There is many women that care more about their wives husband sleeping within than they do about God or his kingdom, and if a man was to submit to such women, he would not be worth shocks in building up the kingdom of God. I have got some such women and I visit them once a year or once in three years. As I please, and they may go to heaven or hell, just as they please. I shall not turn away from the work of God, for any woman.

We need understand of his wise 5550 658. He only has children. Brigham Young does with 16 of them.

I kind of defeats the whole purpose of polygamy in the first place if were to raise up seed and he's only having children with about 1/3 or even fewer of his wives, you raise an excellent point, and if a Mormon is going to believe that Jacob chapter 2 is actual ancient Scripture than why is there a discrepancy here with the feeling that that call and I think that's a question that an honest latter-day St. has to ask themselves thank you for listening you would like more information regarding this research ministry.

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