A Conversation with Cameron Jackson

CNG radio for today's culture and timeless truths come together is reason relevant content apologetics worldview and answers to the questions that you need to know need to know from Alex McFarlane ministries. This is true for a new generation radio and now the man who preached in 50 states and 50 days speaker, writer, and advocate for Christian apologetics Dr. Alex McFarlane, the Bible says in Psalm 19 the heavens and earth declare the glory of God and the firmament shows his handiwork. Day unto day utters speech night and tonight reveals knowledge. There is no speech nor language where this voice is not heard hi Alex McFarlane to welcome to truth for a new generation. You know a lot of people ask me also. What evidence is there that there's a God. I think there a lot of evidences not only God but Jesus, the empty tomb, but just in terms of creation the world exists, the solar system exist. There are things like language that conveys truth and meaning. There are things like mathematics, I've said that in a world without God there. I don't think there would be math and on today's program to talk with a math professor, a teacher in high schools, a professor at College of math and I'll introduce him in just a moment, but I wanted to.

I'm doing this because Psalm 19 says that the creation points to the reality of the create tour and I agree and I think one of those evidences is mathematics. Now anybody who knows me or if you've known me a long time.

You've got to be laughing because in school by far my toughest subject and I almost did not graduate college because of my struggles with math. Math was not my strong suit. And I remember as a teenager my mom and dad argued with me. My mother was a public school teacher 28 years, son, you've got to buckle down and learn math and I is that I hate math. I don't like math.

I later came to appreciate math because I do think mathematics is an expression of the wisdom of our God and a proof of God's existence while I'm on the road and I'm in Fayetteville, North Carolina rockfish church truth. The new generation has a long relationship with rockfish and Cumberland County and I meet Mr. Cameron Jackson here originally from Hawaii. He's a math teacher. We been talking about apologetics and math. Pointing to the reality of God. But we can have a conversation so Cameron as was a thanks for your time and thanks for helping us get up to speed in our appreciation for math and God absolutely Alex, thank you for an opportunity to speak with you and on the subject that I enjoyed speaking about the most that I noted most.

But most of all, that's the clarity of how you precise God is as it is in the case of math.

Now you were born in Hawaii became a Christian at what age at the age of 18. I actually am.

I found Lord and you know he revealed himself to me and comfort me at the time I was mourning the death of my mother. She died in a tragic fire accident. I lost my two youngest brother and I did not understand what he told me that I am here I will I will comfort you and I will be here throughout. He is not just there as and as an buddy companion. He is there to bring me through anything that that's true and you know I wish you could see Cameron Jackson. You have such joy. You have magnetic smile and a joy about you yesterday at this conference and I'm at worldview weekend were doing at a church you and I were talking about our mutual friend Ken ham can answers in Genesis. We've had Ken on the show many many times. He's a dear, dear friend and let's talk about that because when you think of Ken ham you think of creation and of course you think of the existence of God as a math professor and teacher.

What persuades you that there must be a God. The biggest thing is God is right and precise. And if we learn nothing else from from the world of math is that we it has to be right and it has to be precise math. You cannot argue math. There is no debate. Although we can discuss the philosophical impact of what math could do, but as he creates the universe.

You know the fact that he place the sun as the two thirds of this universe but yet the distance from the sun, where the third rock where the third planet. There's a reason for that. There's a reason that it is about 90 million miles in and even down to the precise and and is the reason why we talk about you know what what people can call speed of light in a people often say what speed of light.

Got us 186,000 mi./s.

No it is not. We do not know the speed of light because we cannot. How can you measure something that cannot be measured because the fact that there is nothing in this world that is the speed of light.

You can only measure as it passes just like the Lord said to Moses, you cannot see me. I am the light, the truth, but I am the speed of light. You cannot see me. I can pass by you, and you may see the back and I and I know I'm borrowing Jason Liles concept of what speed of light as it brought clarity to me when he said there's no way to measure light in itself. You have to wait until it comes back. We don't know if it's the you know that the speed is when the light goes on when the speed as it slows down were measuring.

We know that to be calculated as 186,000 mi./s rat but rather God is so precise in his soul right this is what brought clarity but most importantly, what brought me to the feet of God is his comforting spirit. So we got a God that is infinitely powerful, infinitely great.

He holds the universe in his hand.

He says you know all these things that I've shown you from the earth from the sun from the Milky Way and even to the outer expanse is just simply within the grass of my hand from you in a week if you I'm I'm showing a sign for my fellow Hawaiian brother. My shock assign that shock assigned from thumb to that is how far but yet he chooses to be intimately close to us. He chooses to be right within our lives for whatever we need, for whatever he speaks. That is clear to us so I want everyone to understand that yes were going to talk about the precise of math and and and the fact that God has placed everything within its scope. But know that he has taken all of that and brought it to the clarity of what we are on her he mentioned Jason while folks he's worth reading a good collie in the creation ministry were going to come right back with more of truth for new generation and the relationship between math and the existence of God the way. Join Alex McFarlane for spiritual awakening in our time studying the book of acts. June 25-27 in the Billy Graham training center at the Cove near Asheville, North Carolina. Acts records the first days of the early church tells the story of a powerful spiritual awakening among Jews and Gentiles alike. The book of acts also contains personal lessons about revival for believers like us today in the seminar. Alex will examine God's principles for spiritual renewal and evangelism that work in every age, including ours, you also discover how you can personally walk in the power and joy of the Holy Spirit, regardless of your circumstances to register for spiritual awakening in our times and study in the book of acts with Alex McFarlane June 25-27 go to the Cove.org seminar packages include options for seminar meals and lodging. Register online@thecove.org are you tired of liberal agendas ruining our country but you don't know what to do about it.

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A good example of that. The Scripture tells us that you know that God the circle of earth he is above the circle of earth and just you were speaking about pie. As you know pie doesn't.

And as you know that our there's a reason why the earth is a circle because in that dimension and how God created even the preciseness of earth. He leaves just one thing he says no. If you try to figure out how to make the earth it doesn't end there is no mathematical calculation of how to actually get you know there's a pioneer never was heat. You know, pardon the pun, but he threw in a pile in our faces say that the foolishness of man would become, you know, the wisdom of God.

There was a young student of Trinity at Trinity who cracked the square of the foot of infinity but to work with the digits gave him such a fidget. He checked math and took up divinity. Now, I didn't necessarily chuck math but I feel that the Lord has you know he has given me a and Avenue when I speak to the kids and it is you know and I always I always say this to my fellow apologetics and fellow minister. You know I am a minister cleverly disguised as a math teacher because the kids does not know what my intent is until the word of God has been put out, and once they figured out then the word of God does not return void.

It is out there and in my job if I can borrow great cocoa is just simply to put that that little stone in your shoe is. My job is to get the word of God. I am not responsible as Charles Spurgeon says of what happens with the word of God within their hearts.

I'm responsible to disseminate what God has placed upon my heart and what the word of God says about their lives. It's funny you would say that that you're a minister cleverly disguised as a math teacher when I was in high school I had a chemistry teacher and every now and then and this was you know some years before I became a born-again Christian, but she would say teaching chemistry. The good Lord made the world to operate this way never get my chemistry teacher wants to the lecture on how different the world would be if water when it freezes contracts but oddly enough water when it freezes it expands and she even those whose public school.

She got she said God made the world this way and I'm sure you're familiar with the anthropic principle that the world is finely tuned to support life. This is 40 years ago, my high school chemistry teacher basically gave a lecture of about 15 things that are just coincidentally finely tuned to support human life and she said this is how God made the world. Now she didn't give an altar call but she was a minister cleverly designed as a chemistry teacher and I will tell you it made an impact on me and then some years later, in college when I accepted Christ I thought about that. So my point ensuring that is your right Mr. Jackson God's word doesn't return void and the people out there the believers that so a seed business person in the classroom. You know whomever you you have more witnessing potential than you may realize MRI absolutely again I you know that phrase you are a minister first. If you keep that in the forefront you become an epistle, you become the word. You will become the channel and Isaiah said this in a how can the hammer. You are a tool he says he says but as a tool God is one who's wielding it. How can a hammer, brag about how sharp he is or how powerful years because without the wielder without the spirit of the Lord without the clarity of the Holy Spirit that's running through your veins.

You are a vessel, how can you brag we it's the wielder that makes us who we are. We are not sharp unless he wields it he you know he can use a blunt weapon he can use a stone. My point is this. Yes were minister first where cleverly disguised and what ever God chooses as he happens to choose. You know my understanding of how the world of numbers work.

I mean II see numbers as it makes sense because it's the truth in a 17×15 to 17+5 so that's 23 pad to zero and five time five time series 35 so to 30 was 35 through 65. I can do that because it makes sense it makes sense.

Not because I've memorized it. You cannot memorize clarity.

The word of God. Most of us, you know growing up we memorize it, but when it becomes clear to you, it becomes a wielder dad is the wielding power of the Holy Spirit and were just simply tools. Bottom line is, what if what if you are in acts. That's all you do is you chop down trees. Now if you're hammer, you're just a hammer, but each one of us are tool that God has in his arsenal. I'm thinking of John 15 54 Christ, set apart for me you can do nothing. A state evokes truth for new generation with Cameron Jackson and the relationship between math God, don't go away. America today is like a patient struggling to live yet is being forcibly euthanized by her quote doctors, the life force within the patient fighting for survival is the honest citizens like yourself team of quote caregivers are the local and national leaders actually contributing to the demise of the patient economy is crashing crime is exploding. The Constitution is being abolished the assault on America how to defend our nation before it's too late by Alex Farland has one single purpose to get you prepared the real source of America's current problems that no one else is talking about and what you can do now to face tomorrow. Regardless of what tomorrow brings. The assault on America how to defend our nation before it's too late. Available now at Amazon and Barnes & Noble, and local Christian bookstores welcome to podcasts I hear you.

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Welcome back to true for new generation we continue our very invigorating conversation with Cameron Jackson I doing to remind everybody that we have an apologetics event. The first post covariate TMG event is coming up October 15-17 were going to be at first Baptist Church of Myrtle Beach, South Carolina. You know Myrtle Beach plenty of places to stay beautiful, First Baptist Church Myrtle Beach, South Carolina.

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The other Frank turmeric brilliant apologist Sandy Rios from the American family Association and much much more and so that my website which is Alex McFarland.com and we're going to equip you to defend the faith and stand strong for truth. That truth for new generation fall 2021. You don't want to miss it well. Cameron Jackson. I appreciate you so much and.I was thinking about this as we were talking in the segment Isaac Newton and Francis Bacon, each said that math is the language of God, and they asked the question Newton did is God, a mathematician speaking to the water and just the specificity it's not random. It is very very precise and I ask you, is it fair to say that the existence and the operation of math points to the fact that there must be a creator. Absolutely Alex Ken ham. I remember in one of his lecture and foundation young man approached him and he simply was trying to rattle Ken ham to say no you sciences everything is just random chance of order and can ham right away. He he has a come back and he just simply says well if you're thinking is a random chance of order and and you are then you are random chance of order and the way you think is random chance of order and this whole conversation. A random chance board. There's no logical way of really explaining anything because this is all happening at random chance of order. The point is, it cannot be. As I mentioned before, just like math it in all things that God does you know his plan will you know from the very beginning from you know the first good news. He says that he will you know the enemy will be conquered as as he says in the first good news in Genesis 315. Your seed will bruise your head essentially is. He has a plan, even from the very beginning. But the biggest the biggest argument, and I always always point this out, even to my kids, you know, even if you go back if things make sense to the point of beginning and you said everything is random jet. How do you explain you violating your own laws. All you atheists out there of biogenesis because she biogenesis the law biogenesis simply tells us, it cannot be that nothing can come into something… Is your own laws so so let me ask you that unclearly math exists where did math come from God produces logic and logic produces math they have a symbiotic symbiotic existence. In other words, without logic math cannot exist.

We we came up with ideas of numbers. I mean, just a good example we still a lot of people still do math from right to left because of our car is me sensually if he came up with a algebraic expression which I wish that people would go back because we read from left to right. Why not do math from left to right again. I know we make sense of things are logical and put and introduce it to a numeric value of things, but in essence you know God.

God is a logical God.

He know he has a plan from the very beginning and and simply he translates it as as we know it as into numbers and numbers is what is explanation of God's logic is there a book somebody could reader for for the person that wants to learn more about perhaps the relationship between God and math and the apologetics value of mathematics. Is there any resource you could point us to. I would say anything by Jason Lyle because he does explore even from foundational he has is a couple of books on the pattern of conceptual math anything by Jason Lyle just reading him. There's so many things that that you can get clarity on that one last thing. There's ministry to be done in the classroom. I know what you think of ministry. Think of a preacher in a pulpit or missionary price God but in the sciences in academic certainly in math. There's a Christian witness to be brought into the classroom. Emma right, absolutely. Even if you find yourself, as I have innate Christian school because I did not know when I first enter into the teaching ministry went God led me to this one Christian school, but I didn't understand why zig Lord. These are Christians until I took a survey, how many of you are currently going to church half. How many of you have a personal relationship, less than half the last school which is and would give a shout out to my kids at Liberty Christian still proud of you guys because they had a recent revival in which I believe 19 of you have accepted the Lord and I like to think that Mr. Jackson you know when we when we were together and I brought some clarity as I know you guys have a lot of questions I was teaching you math as well as science taught the chemistry class so you ministers out there who happen to be in the classroom. You know, don't speculate don't try to undermine what God's position that he has placed you in because even if this previous school here. I found out that the kids only 10% of them essentially have a personal relationship. So were I'm working on you guys.

If you have any questions, don't hesitate to ask. But most of all, for those of you are in the classroom. Find out get clarity to the word of God, he will provide you the words to say but don't speculate and why God placed you there but rather just be obedience, God desire obedience, not sacrifice wonderful Lana thank you for listening to truth for new generation. I want to thank Cameron Jackson for Natalie being a guest on the show today, but using your intellect and your heart for the service of the Lord, folks.

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