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REShow: Kevin Clark/Mike Florio - Hour 2

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June 21, 2022 3:14 pm

REShow: Kevin Clark/Mike Florio - Hour 2

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June 21, 2022 3:14 pm

The Ringer’s Senior Writer & Host Kevin Clark and Rich discuss the ramifications of Brooks Koepka’s defection from the PGA Tour to the LIV Golf series, if the upstart golf tour can land a TV deal amid the controversy of its Saudi financial backing, predicts that Jaguars QB Trevor Lawrence will have a breakout season after the departure of Urban Meyer, and says if new head coach Brian Daboll can turn around a moribund New York Giants franchise. 

Pro Football Talk’s Mike Florio tells Rich why Deshaun Watson settling 20 of the 24 civil trials against him is “long overdue” and how Watson’s legal team bungled things from the get-go, if there’s a chance the remaining 4 lawsuits result in a protracted trial, and how the settlements could impact a likely NFL suspension, and why Baltimore Ravens QB Lamar Jackson “desperately” needs an agent to negotiate what could turn out to be the most lucrative contract in NFL history. 

Rich commentS on the Deshaun Watson situation, reacting to a Browns fan caller who says he’s disappointed in his team for trading for the embattled QB.

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Yet the profile jump delivery so you're in your estimation. Like I said you you've written a copy on the subject matter and thought a lot about it and reporting about others well what he got on the phone 4504 times a year for me not actually get off the ground. We've got what I love, love.

It would be a real shame. Every time I felt like I AAA for you and not having a lot of fun out. Oh, you left a couple weeks in a couple months where and what happened next year you don't get the final pairing with John Robert Warnock will money and that's why I feel a lot more.

That's pretty bleak. I mean, you know, because I guess live is banking on that Brooks And Bryson to shambolic Dustin Johnson and Phil Mickelson, and so on and so forth. In the add more names big names huge names and have to live feel that you know they can send out a release that we've got six green jackets and these many claret jogs going today and you need to tune in to see it because they find some iconic golf course to have them on and they can gimmick it up like that. Maybe you'll find that there is there any possibility that they do get a television partner, you know, like the FOXBusiness channel or someone you laugh all you know is you just described Kevin you just described these to these two entities going out. It might instead of the Ryder Cup.

It's the world versus Saudi Arabia. That's what you basically just described for golf competition.

You know early on one or more now, I think, what are called primarily on what goes I don't want to live rightly by 55 Money is coming from.

What, when, whether or not play golf term and provide Windows question is can you pay down that one that happened, you might be more about Okay you know what Brooks and Brightman will pay five dollars. I don't know barely what you're my thing and I think it know how compelling the productivity. What happened what happened going hello Gottlieb around that Natalie got Abraham to answer goes out there in the name of the ringer here in the rich, as I don't think will ever forget where the monies come from because you know it's all about the money. Why these guys are joining right it's not like Brooks Capt. really loves the idea of a shotgun start.

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Or did you know Dustin Johnson really wanted to screw the PGA Tour. I mean honestly yes it it's because there's a bottomless pit of appearance fee money for a league in a known entity that does not care about turning a profit. So it's all about the money and it's about a bottomless pit of money that you know if just put it this way. If they accept our USFL had $2 billion to below right there might be an issue with them competing against the NFL saying to me like that's a really good friend and I like people. What couldn't be completely goodbye. I thought nothing you could in theory, the analogy Making about your ever made a career earning the analogy Why is there silently for your $430 million contract.

Career and what I think you okay Yuri into your ready to lie face down. Here he will get lamp up you and Aaron all working together in the know every Sunday what what he, I think it all. We always going to be AAA, AA, because I have been working really hard way, we are on the fund also on month everybody okay I know I need guys with Saudi money and whatever pretty good job. I do think there can be an element of money comes from literally called him around, but I not trying to do anything more. Let's talk about it and what Kevin Clark of the ringer here on the rich eyes and show before I let you go. Last year you gave us the non-during July. Hey don't sleep on the Bengals you gave us that little heads as you went on. You know your your annual training camp tour.

Were you planning on going this year were what were you put your markers down for your your visits coming up in just a few works.

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I hated losing urban Meyer. No question about that. But then I worked with him at the draft on NFL network.

He called and one time prior to the Michigan Ohio State game. I mean this is nothing personal it's got to do with seeing somebody face points so spectacularly and also go ahead and denigrate the hard work of some longtime NFL people and also during that entire profession slap in the face.

Based on all of that and then, seemingly no responsibility taken other than saying it was all on me. You know, like Doesn't cover the transgressions that we saw, but that said, now that I feel better trying to equip myself of an argument that you're not making but it just so it's it's it's Peterson and also the fact that he's not the other guy that I think is going to be significant in Jacksonville for sure. Great people somewhere who else are you going to go visit. What else are you interested in seeing Natalie again compelling. One thing pretty man may show up on July square in October I got able July and I both and I got one part July bill training camp traffic, no training anywhere else. I love you also mentioned Dave all nobody's really talk about the New York Giants because of how putrid their last five years have been truly one of the worst stretches in the history of very proud franchise what you think he's bringing to that equation and can actually turn around. What you think the quarterback better.

I'm worried about a little bit red one think the guy I don't think long-term plan. Much better than we think. This year the table because it acquired GM. I like it and briefly got meeting in March, I almost no talent on the roster to go with spot fungi a remarkably bad general manager what you know. So I think that there a lot of work to be done here. But the thing is guy like Brian Gable who made one modern football a lot that the guys about quite a bit more. I don't do anything aerial fire fire this year in the breakdown find people know where you training camp to get your thoughts and your soon. Thanks. Recall telling great stuff is always by you in the ringer. Much appreciated.

That's Kevin Clark the ringer at by Kevin Clark on Twitter follow me should as well. Let's take a break here on the rich eyes and show Mike Florio. What does it mean that the Sean Watson has settled 20 of his 24 lawsuits. He will give us is to considerable sense counselor Mike Florio paging into the bar when we come back. Does your antiperspirant keep you dry all day.men plus gear dry spray goes on instantly drive for a cleaner field, and offers 48 hours sweat and order protection repeat that 48 hours of sweat. In order protection music and don't even think about it also.men dry spray contains doves unique one quarter moisturizing cream. It helps protect your skin. Try.men plus gear dry spray goes on dry cleaning feel all day 844204 rich number to dial right here on the program, Callaway Road ST driver. They're all out there for you. There's four different types of drivers.

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Man, well that shows on hiatus and if I'm not mistaken he just tweeted I just came back from his physical so we say Moon River to Mike Florio joining us here on the rich eyes and show Mercedes-Benz vans from on high, doing like there is a date within the medical community about Saturday and the effectiveness of that Pacific Yes or okay and they are in the process of phasing it out, but not yet, not yet.

Very glad to see you held Mike Florio glad to see you are are you now pro football talk is where we follow this man all the time. Okay Mike so I reached out to you and your kind enough to say yes on short notice because this happened 10 minutes before we even went on the air today Tony Busby confirming that 20 of the 24 lawsuits are all lawsuits that have been filed against the Sean Watson through. He is a lead attorney all but for being settled. What what your opinion on that. What what to make of that news well and they that wait them off and never arrived it all better if it comes late, and this was long overdue. It was something that needed to be done from the get-go before the first lawsuit was filed. It was mishandled by the Sean Watson representative today not only failed to seize upon an opportunity to settle yet to leave case for somewhere in the neighborhood, I believe, 50 or 75,000 because the opener was 100, and it always negotiable downward to stop Tony Busby started rounding up for plaintiff. He began to realize what you had a year annexing another 22 cases and they almost eliminate last year Busby want confidentiality of the amount Watson and Rusty Harden, who is involved. At that point want to know confidentiality basically today to brag everybody about how little they pay the plaintiffs make go away all department they tried last October to pay everybody hundred thousand dollars for willing to take it to Sean didn't want to do some most almost all you want all or nothing of the part then. So now he realizes what's his knockout. The cases that we can get and whether to hundred whether to another zero, whether it's somewhere in between.

Who knows, but 2024 and I wouldn't be surprised to find out the same for holdouts. I don't know that yet that hasn't been disclosed.

The only person that we know did not settle.

Is Ashley so least the very first, plaintiff +3 others, but this is not an effort in this and this is what the Sean Watson needed to take his reckoning, find a way to achieve an amount that constitute justice from the perspective of the individuals are accepting it and move on and greatly streamlines the process going forward trying 4K take a hell of a lot of time been trying 24 cases.

So this is a good development. Overall for the Sean Watson doesn't mean he will be suspended.

Doesn't mean he'll be suspended any last than what he was going to be suspended in check clears away 20 cases that would've had to of been dealt with in a court of law start to finish and it would've caught this thing the linger probably under 2024. If you only have the off-season to duty Strauss of the first huge step toward Sean Watson putting this behind spokesman saying quote today's development has no impact on the collectively bargained disciplinary process re-between lines for me on that one. If there are lines to be read between the lines to read it lately. 100% accurate. It has no impact it had no effect for separate branch of the justice system you get the criminal, civil, and then you got it in-house NFL created justice system aimed it matching the expectations of the public with whatever consequences only imposed on all Watson and I was told last week, the NFL PA bracing for an unprecedented suspension mark Matthew, the Washington Post said that probably means one year and that the proposal where it ends up through the discipline process remains to be seen that's still coming and if anything look settling a case doesn't mean that you're conceding that you did anything wrong but there are a lot of people out there who will look at a settlement say if you really didn't do anything wrong.

Why are you settling and there are many reasons to settle something, even if you did nothing wrong. In some cases the settlement amount is less than what it will cost you to pay for your legal fees from now to the end of the case so it becomes a business to spit a decision is made without passion and with pure objectivity, but people want to hear that there was some that he paid. Therefore, must've done something and read something I just posted can start to get Mark my brain around this little one plaintiff in a confidentiality provision pretty difficult for that information ever come out because they put some language in the agreement that gives it real. Typically there is a liquidated damages clause that says if you blab we can come get all the money back. So people shut up 20 because that person can hide among the other 19 and do it. I can prove I did it so you find a reporter you trust and you tell the reporter the amount or show the seven agreement. Every case may be. I get out I get inevitable the will know what Sean Watson. This year on the rich eyes and show what what you think the Browns are thinking about this news about the settling of lawsuits. I think it's a great news for them because it dramatically reduces the headache the distraction diversions that are swarming around the franchise and now they're not looking at the possibility of all of the 2023 off-season devoted our many cases, they can try that. Then all the 2024 off-season devoted hiring more cases that try then and then whatever is left over.

Who knows, this shrinks it down to something far more manageable and hopefully it's a step toward perspective. I step toward getting the other four cases resolved. Finding an acceptable bottom line.

Maybe the other four simply want more money. Maybe they they are holding out for more. They think that their rights were violated to a greater degree they want to see him dig deeper than what you thinking for the first 20 so there's a chance that this is step one toward all 24 being gone and and I think I know for my defense, I practice law. Once you get a defendant who has multiple lawsuits.

Whatever it is. Corporate individual whatever wants to wallop thou it becomes a lot easier to be done with that you just want to be done with it. What if somebody doesn't want to be done with what is Ashley's Alisa was the first and clearly has been the leader of this packet, as it appears. Just by reading and seeing and how she might be inspiring have inspired others to come forward.

What if she just wants to take this to trial next year at some point between March 1 and August 1 of 2023 and it will be a protracted fight in one of the big issues will be how much of the evidence regarding other claims made against all Watson will even be allowed to come into evidence and and that it will be a verdict at some point, barring a settlement. This thing goes to trial and there's a verdict rendered by a jury and did the crapshoot. At that point, like flipping a coin immediate really is one of 24 these cases, but the reality is it's like flipping a coin and have to come up heads 24 straight time is different jury in every case cite to televise Michael like that's what I'm saying is this because I don't know what the law or the rule would be in the courtroom. Every court has its own laws will only do that Tom Brady melded face get in and others will will the cameras there, but the whole thing be televised. Referring to the worst statute drawing in the history of sketch drawings Dorian Gray port conflict deflated from back in the day there again. The only reason I asked that is just I the protracted mists of it is what can continue to make whatever penalty though the league levees less effective or or seem less toothy right because you're learning more and your hearing more in the court of public opinion can get more sour on on on the player and that the handling of all of this.

That's the only reason why I ask so what reality could impose punishment now and then come back to it later on what happened at the case unfold.

However, many are left 1234 or more to file a lawsuit that that that that different wrinkle altogether and Tony Bugbee as a practical matter may now be less inclined to try to file other cases it may be kind of a weak nod between him and what they are in any doubt of the DeShawn Watson business. You can't put that in writing for ethical reasons, but there can be an understanding that Tony Bugbee the following morning lawsuit, but is really the NFL problem is with this third party is now involved you better truly have something new.

It can't just be well.

We thought we understood the evidence and we thought that it was going to be no verdict or small verdict and ends up being $10 million. So we feel compelled to impose greater punishment on them based on the fact we already knew that talking fly would have to be truly something new that they didn't know couldn't have known, should have known if you want to swing back around later if the verdict in any of the remaining cases make the punishment seem like it was too lenient that the big risk they take.

By punishing now with one or more cases going forward there could be a statement from a jury that they create the impression that the NFL failed to go far enough, you settled doesn't mean that the legal worthy the person who is looking into all this goes more lenient is essentially what you well, I think it makes it more likely to be a suspension. Not that there wasn't going to be right. I heard last year that the Dolphins believed that there would be either six or eight games if if he had to settle all the cases because never the Dolphins. They have the right idea.

We want to cases settle before going to do the trade of the Brown should have insisted on that in March and the Dolphins will elevate and they may not even have any basis that they may have been wrong in their assessment of the summer.

They were six or eight games. If you tell them all back then but you know me in recent weeks. It feels like it's taken more of a negative turn against DeShawn Watson so it could be compelling to see what happened. They could propose a year and a display officer could knock down the half a year and then routed out maybe pick the midpoint between the two as the end result on appealing.

Mrs. 12 games will be determined they needed, and pretty soon you got multiple steps that need to play out before the season starts to let you know Mike Florio.

I'd be remiss if I didn't ask you about Lamar Jackson's press conference last week where he finally spoke publicly about his contract and the conversations and whether he thought he was worthy other maybe that was the reason that was posited by the owner of sleep. A shot in the hidden, he hasn't engaged or accepted a generationally enriching contractors because he hasn't won the Super Bowl yet he refuted that notion didn't guaranteed show up for training camp, but said he'll be a raven for life and like kind of like letting it all roll off his back. It was there's no frame of reference in terms of renal previous quarterbacks to take a missed tact. Wonder what you thought what is going on paster knowledge example read how different media accounts of what he said, seem in comparison to actually watching him and listening to his word and the one thing that really resonated for me when he was at about DeShawn Watson contract and the relevant that contract out to him and he said that my own man. It doesn't matter to me that I was already 100% convinced he needed an agent so I can't be any more convinced but it did make me any less convinced he needed an agent he needs an agent desperately because DeShawn Watson contract is relevant to him to Dr. Alan contract is relevant to him. You don't want it with pain on my own guide to my own deal you you build on the efforts of those who have come before you.

That's how it works and then somebody else who comes after you build on that you going to the best contract you can and other people who think just try to avoid paying the 1% 2% 3% because the big check to write every year to come out of your pay. The big check. A lot of players don't like to write it. But look you make more net than the 100% that you get to keep.

If you do without assistance in my publicly suggested last week the Raven to just say to them about paying the fee go hire an agent and you know 1% 2% 3%. Whatever the fee is one of the gross up this deal and will pay the fee for you if if the issue would be money well spent by the Raven because then they can have a traditional and normal negotiation where get to a fair deal for everybody.

In the end of the day they have to grossing up as not not a substantial amount of money, but it would be money well spent by the Raven stop or something like that if Lamar Jackson would do it, president of the team saying hey Iron Age will place her having to do a prep, complaining about the contrast tell me how that tastes because you know I II like I said there there is no frame of reference it twice and went on my own man. It's like you sure I've never seen anything like it. Is it possible is everybody keeps reading into what he's saying, as is what he's told he's can hold out or he wants to he wants to eventually be the Dolphins quarterback. He's trying to work his ways got like some Lebron type plan. He's hatching right now or he's just some kid who just loves playing ball and just goes about his business and thinks everything is just going to fall into place. Anyway, you know, I don't know what to make of really do not go. I offered nations and I would like to believe that all people I know who are connected situation that these are indeed the possibility and we just don't know what the truth is one he wants out to. He doesn't know what he wants three.

He expects the ravens to show up with a no negotiation here, the offer were not to have or not to talk with you to make a high paid player in the NFL and you have been writing other and recognize yes this is the best contract that may give anyone where do I sign is one of those three, and time will tell what it really is rich money. We see guys say things we take them at their word and wanted to go to players. Whoever happens all the time. They say we take them at their word and then to do something diametrically opposed later and we never really learned the lesson that maybe we should sometimes be skeptical about what guys are saying when the microphones are capturing their words because maybe what they really want to do something different altogether it possible for everybody. We don't always bear our souls were in a setting like that. So it is possible he's trying to finagle something in Miami or or you just definitely doesn't know what he wants to do. That's very possible Mike Florio. Thanks.

No such quick notice really think you meant to be wealthy about Mike Flory, Mike Florio. So, okay, let's take a break phone calls before our number three, TJ Jefferson has his list of best players in the history of every team in the NFC South and cannot wait to hear him say the words Tom and Brady for the buccaneer. That'll be fun to see if he says that coming up 844204 Rich number dialed John in Louisville, Kentucky.

Let's take some phone calls here on the rich doesn't show before Rob Cordry joins us next hour what's up John well yourself, I'm a big fan of younger and I think for a lot of things. Much we appreciate everything you do that, first of all thank you and I'm in a brown plan for over 30 years and now living directly with football always been the thing that I love that about being a kid that grew up in Ohio and I just really disappointed in the NFL.

I'm really pointing my pain.

I don't know how anybody with any common thinking fee. All things come out about the marketing saying how insane.

Problem I just rally at anymore.

I'm just a normal that the clock 9 to 5 every day go to work for my family and a lot of money on the NFL money on Sunday ticket find ground merchandise can't like I just don't see how anybody can root for a guy who has something wrong with them.

Everything that you have that problem and try to get better never spark ability, no accountability can't reform.

I just can't get rich you calling in your heart you know I hear you and you know the suspension on. I truly believe in thanks the call. John is coming and if it arrives. Those are the words I need to hear DeShawn Watson say I take responsibility for what happened and I need to go somewhere and work on myself and really dive into what's going on but like I said so far he is not at all. Set a single syllable into a microphone today. Whether it was his introductory press conference or the press conference held last week to say anything remotely close to satisfactory in helping me understand what's going on in his mind and his world in his life and how he conducted himself in one of the lawsuits that still is outstanding was filed on the first one filed in, she was left crying by the experience. There something when that happens, and so I I I don't know what else to make of it. Other than the fact that Browns fans who tweeted us whenever this is happening in the conversations we had and we got all in on the subject matter. I find it very important to discuss and unlock on docket so it's not a brown transit been defending him in that regard.

Not, I think it's indefensible I don't I don't I don't know how to how anybody I know that you want to read from and you're hoping he scores a bunch of touchdowns in his gun media server suspension is gonna come back. It's going to happen unless he is criminally charged and that will be a totally different ball of wax with about say something to know that to put the Watson stuff aside, just getting back to what the caller said and understand having issues with Watson but also I think you know, sometimes it's human nature. We kind of look at the negative things you NFL. There were a lot of great men in the NFL who do a lot of great things for the community for you know and just look at the water payment of the year award how that's taken over from the MRC something. I realize that this is a is a red mark, so to speak on the NFL, but there are so many other people in this league. Yes that is doing amazing and great things and I know right now were concentrating on this bad thing and it is bad, but I wouldn't allow myself to be saying, but like I said there's a lot of good going on in the sleep well I'm glad use.

You said that if I said it I might be prone to hear that I'm an NFL guy that I'm that I'm an employee, stooge or anything like that and I'm very you know obviously sensitive to being called satchel so because I have taken in next year's can be 20 years for me on an F on the 20 and ever since I started a nice job.

I have been moved by the players that I've met and I've taken it is a responsibility in my job to make sure that there activities in the community to show what a pillar they are within the community and what good fathers and husbands and and community minded people.

They are, and make sure that that is out there when an outlier occurs that we don't hear a statement like the one that we just said work.

I'm so sick of DeShawn Watson on on top and out of the entire NFL and it is.

It is my pleasure and honor to talk about that and that's why I'm so mystified when I hear people who have been involved in the NFL, whether in coaching or in the media who despite being around players and seeing who they are and what they're about and also the plights that many of them have thought through and still feel today based on who they are there upbringing. The color of their skin say things that betrays how they haven't picked up a single thing from covering the players or coaching the players haven't picked up a single aspect of their upbringing. Their world, their beliefs, and it just it it's just like how you not picked up on how you not learn from and how would you not become empathetic or sympathetic to so does touch on nerve right there and again I know the players Association needs to be there and defend all of their members of the union, but when you're reading about this in your seeing about this that hey if the suspension comes in significant were to start talking about the owners of what you've done for them and that's that is a that is a viable statement.

I understand from their point of view, but based on everything that I've read there should be a significant suspension coming and hopefully that will take give acute to a listener and a viewer like our friend.

I believe John just called and with right there to to not tap out not give up. I mean, Jack is a perfect example of being a shining guiding light class. Campbell, Andrew Whitworth. We go on and on and on and's and many of the players who do have that standing in the community should feel outraged when they see behavior like this on display and support a punishment. Quite frankly, that I think is doing should be coming 844204 rich number to dial here on the program Rob quarters coming up. Also, next hour you were NFC South best player in history.

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I stop let's let's let's focus on something else that TJ is ready for his close up DJs ready for his close up if you think that TJ looks particularly better than usual today it's because he did something he swore he would never to rich eyes and show makeup artist, etc. I need the second is my eyes.

I knew I knew what was happening to you to get Chris or did Jay fell.

He snapped the angle I'm just saying I gave Jay failure. Sneakers today and like that. Did you get makeup today. I brought my own which is really professional. Here, there long time ago. Tell me what to get in. I have my own little but she seemed to even get out of course I've never gotten makeup before. So that was the first I feel bottom line is the close-ups he can't really tell you you're right there. Can't really can't tell because you have classes on got your headband and you got your beer and appeared, you should have a closer but you would prefer everyone to see Gary get out boy. Remember when Joy Sally said last Monday had the most Afrocentric quarter corner in television so much happening people are focused on desire, not your face. That stuff he got through Ashton and Ashton Schreiner not even true for the real story behind some of wrestling's biggest moments something to wrestle with Bruce Prichard and Conrad Thompson to all time have an opponent sponsor Ms. Natalie and the conversation wears on a mouse and Andre was number one is not even going back before you know Holcombe was a baby face Holt and Andres were able to go in headline at the New Orleans Superdome at Shea Stadium in Japan wherever they went. That was an attraction something to wrestle with Bruce Prichard listen wherever you get your podcast