The Rich Eisen Show Basketball Podcast #28. NBA Finals Epilogue, Power Rankings for next season, KD/Kyrie, 'Hustle' review

Hey what's up everybody. Welcome back. It's rich as a Joe basketball podcast where the Wednesday, June 22 were on the eve of the NBA draft taking place tomorrow night in Brooklyn go see warriors are your 2022 NBA champions.

They dispatched to the Boston Celtics in six games.

As predicted by yours truly. Last week on the show, I knew it was going to happen and I tried to talk out of it and I had already seen the writing on the wall like a said after game for thank you for your vote of confidence I appreciated. I remember that as we move forward. But yet Golden State did it. 103 90 in game six to finish off Boston for the fourth NBA title of this run from their big three. It's been a week.

But Adam, what are your thoughts for sub what's up Adam, TJ hi guys I doing good to be here me in the season is over, but were continuing the coverage throughout the summer so ghost tuning for that unhappy what's going on today. While the call Kurtis blow Bill Russell didn't take the junk and Darrell Dawkins got a monster dog okay the point basketball just call Kurtis blow here start to spot when I was in like seventh grade I wrote this I would've been the seventh grade and 92,000 shacking mount number one pick. I wrote this like superlong like rap about your Q&A and I don't run I don't remember it all the way through, but I remember some of the lines like I talked about like making the phone can dunk on Alonzo mourning suffered clicks, inspired by his around just rip off check diesel excess sounds like a line from Sarah, we have assigned a layout I got I got my own shoe to battle on some mornings like that he was every cover you want to not let my finer moments in some respect. Alonzo mourning sitting course.

I was just because he was the number one pick once a morning or morning was number two.

Warning got done some a lot of people though he was a great offender but you always get unsociable challenges will shot blockers all of your dog block shots, you're going to have a highlight will you send them people packing and you're going to have a highlight Rogan. I feel like she had more more ulcers against him than than even other shot blockers and we had a studio last week. Tracy McGrady had a famous one on Alonzo right I mean McGrady another one he dumped on pretty much a yelping fence had a famous malevolence at the residence of the world. Alonzo was actually legitimately upset. Afterwards he was like hanging in the air felt like if I like the job and then just like when a little higher I like you said NBA finals thoughts left over what you think about the warriors here. Adam couple couple things that that I lust over thought about Andrew Wiggins incredible NBA finals.

Do not expect that out of him at all. Obviously coming into the league. He had huge expectations number one pick is how things are meant to be that he was supposed to be the number one player and a championship level team I think is from his role with the Golden State Warriors as the third best player on the team. Possibly the second user seconds music second best player in the finals for them this year but will see next year with Clay getting more time to rehab. Yet Wiggins was was incredible in the series and then of course obviously stuff courageous taking that that leap in his career he always had the 11*were were fans always knew he was grateful people would hold the fact that he never had a finals MVP against him he should've won that first year they will and I think it was a 15 2015 when one so so finally taking that leave getting the finals MVP just totally eviscerated the Celtics in game six and Chris. Obviously I know you're hearing total pain but also the cigar shop would be cut in Melrose was there was a great time and we are generally all like cracking up laughing at some of the shots he was making like that's how you know some is good when people are laughing at how absurd the shots are and so when you get to that level. When you're making people laugh when when you're doing these the shots in these moves you hear another another level. Your incredible player so stuff. He still uses I believe is 34 but the way conditions himself and with current NBA technology and in the way variable condition.

Who knows.

And this is going to stop this guy could have another prime with the emergence of that seen with younger guys for another five, six years so it's it's it's it was awesome to watch yet TJ we think left over thoughts from the finals homeland and a lot of impact.

I guess the reports of the warriors demise are greatly exaggerated back to what you said a couple years ago I was like get years now. Yeah, it may take eight years now because once his team is fully healthy lookout and you are, no you are way ahead of you were two years ahead on that and kudos to you for calling first and foremost the let me apply Judah because is very hard for you sometimes give me credit amongst the many things I do say right hello to me prop so I appreciate that you went back a dog in the crate a little bit and pulled that out yet man just like this team. There losing their down because they're injured right like these guys get healthy again which there's no reason they should know the days of Bernard came tearing his ACL would have a square over.

Thank goodness are done and the fact is Kelly. Yet, in effect, they got the number two pick who at the time he did know would never seek court but we just you know the top three pick this year, please out, but he'll be back in but obviously when when Wiggins got there, I kind a new man like his guy. He's not going to have to carry your franchise. I keep they wanted him to do in them and so they knew right adamantly might have been built to be number one player on a championship team. But to be number four on the call sheet on a championship team. Man, he's more than adequate more than built for that. Like you said he was probably the second best player in the finals but to start the season late and I was like to put things are moving call sheets.

He's deftly was deftly forth on the call she and Andrew Wiggins made big ups to him because that got a lot of trash talk about him. A lot of naysayers did not let makes me try to get a lot of naysayers because he was the number-one picking didn't do what everyone thought he was going to do. We didn't reach the heights that people assumed he would. So you know is a lot of negativity surrounding Wiggins. You know like Nick Wright, famously saying you know when they win the warriors traded for him will never win anything. He's washed Andrew Wiggins man.

Enjoy your summer broke because you are you down here now, and he's got to be a free agent after next year so I may can only imagine how much he's gonna cash anyway. He had much casted before the five-year, 147 before he was all right.

And then he got traded Golden State and Maxis. He was awesome and also also I wanted I wanted to shut out Clay Thompson because you have an incredible final series, but he made some big shots in the console is not fully where he he will be probably next year.

That's also a problem yeah you will be a better player.

Next year I'll be shocked if is not something that he was able to come back from those horrific injuries and play the way he did. He is such a positive attitude you can't you can hate Clay is used the most likable guy to me in the NBA is so funny. This parade shenanigans along with what I was reading Hennessey running over about Jesus a character is one of the best people in the NBA to root for ends. I was nothing but the best for Clay.

He's the man he's only the man didn't like that didn't play great 37% shooting in the finals.

Still, through in 17 again, but he's just fine.

I said nothing pained me more than have to root against staffing play because I love watching that I so much love Clay and to see him come back after 2 1/2 years of being out with a 900 and some days between games like this just awesome that I would've loved to have celebrated this Golden State team if they played anyone else in the final butchery against Miami if they played against Brooklyn is Milwaukee, probably because I just didn't want to walk to go back to back whatever this is like you know it was it was tough.

It was a tough finals for me. I gotta be honest, I really only watched about 1/4 to half a game six like you could just tell you had the film, you know they were up but Boston got out to a 14 to start. I was yelling and running around my house and then I don't want you what happened after that. Just like they forgot how to play basketball is really bizarre and once you could see it going to certain way. I was like a mocker ruin my night by watching this whole game.

You know, congrats to Golden State and were onto next year was an awesome Celtic season propping. I'm never to forget this run and hopefully these guys don't either and use it as motivation to to get back the East is really tough.

The East is a lot of really good teams and a lot of really good players really curious to see what Brooklyn does what moves they make will talk about that in a second Philly what moves they make Miami you know they're going to make moves and then Boston ends up adding a player like Nick bitumen or something like that. Another big perimeter shooter but Boston is a lot to be proud of. Tatum is a lot to be proud of first team all NBA this year. He's only going to get better, which is a crazy thought and Golden State was just a better team in this series I don't think they were the better team overall think Boston was a better team when healthy. Both teams were hundred percent healthy. I think Boston wins a series every time but they weren't and what the experience of the finals and curry, took his game to another level. Adam, like you said we were, waiting for that we never really seen it in the finals before. Aside from that, 147 point game against Toronto, which is serious, they lost, but kudos to Stefan Clay and everybody on the team except Raymonde Greenham half you and you know going back to claiming number four, you know, like you said item. The injuries was injured during game we all saw and then we get news. One random day that Clay's rehabbing and then he gets hurt again. So you can imagine, like mentally what this guy had to go through when you written the peak condition in your at the peak of your you know your your given vocation which he was and then I have two injuries back to back like that, mentally, that had the question. You could see there were times like even said there were shots of Clay sitting on the bench, crying like sad, sad Clay because this kind of thing like my ever coming back is like am I ever going to be ill to go out you know there was a video going around at the end of last season Clay sitting on the bench wearing a mask and Steph comes over with a towel over his head and he kinda sits off. Not on the bench the kind of behind the bench as the end of the season last year and Steph kinda goes over the to Clay and he kinda puts his hand on the shoulder and Clay is wearing a mask which you could just tell from his eyes.

The sadness his shoulders or slumps down and Steph kinda just sits next to him and you could tell the two of them were just like man this sucks okay and I promise you in that moment there like were not can have this feeling again in and they sure didn't.

One guy we did mention I want to give a shout out to his Gary Payton the second. Yeah, simply because first of all, joining his dad Gary Payton, the legendary glove becoming the fifth father-son duo to win an NBA championship anomaly that if you know his story.

You know, getting drafted in 2016 bouncing around from club to club, thinking maybe going to Europe thing was if he would've gotten cut by Golden State this year. You know he's going to do. I do join the meeting department is going to like you were never in the media department for the team.

The war had he gotten because he was already like. I think he got to the point were like I've been cut so much. This is working. He was looking to his future after basketball how he was ready to accept this job if he got cut and they were going to hire him. Luckily for him he didn't get cut and now look at them in the guys started out the video department or exposure so I just found that I thought that was a great story like he came so close to being like RAA my dreams not can happen and then the next you know the skies by way Duncan what he had it dunking that last game that was phenomenal to keep the dudes got autopsies you know I am always a famous second-generation stars Weatherby and football basketball pro wrestling. You get a lot of that in wrestling because you're able to watch like a father for years and years and then next you know his son or his daughter comes up and wrestle some of them a big fan at Swatch and generations kinda following the parents footsteps and worries of three of those go ahead and exactly. So that's crazy more likely to get back to the finals next year warriors warriors. Just because the East is going to be such hard competition next year.

To be honest, Carissa. Obviously, the Celtics are great this year but I kinda doubt if they would be in Boston if Chris Middleton was healthy lost Milan Yamato Isaiah Milwaukee, so that in the fact that Brooklyn with who knows you have November, then you have you actually have the rents and ends will be coming. Conceivably, the Sixers obliges and there's a lot of competition these in there there's good teams in the West, but I believe at this point the warriors are another level above the sons and the maverick still thought I would bet that the warriors get back. Even the grizzlies grizzlies are still not big on you Say that hope really wanted but what barely won the first round against Minnesota and then the second rounds. Yeah, they played decent, but I never really actually thought of it when the series there there going to be a good team.

Eventually I just don't think there there quite yet including next year. I just don't think that they have weapons to go against Golden State, especially with James Wiseman coming back healthy. I just don't see what you know about James Wiseman nothing. I know that is talented and he was. How do you know that like we've never seen the fruit in the knee is rockier yet stretches replaced held played a little bit like I don't know that I'm going to like you say Ms. that the measuring stick to say that he's going to be the one to get a team over the other editions of this already loaded Golden State team that's us can add to their and also like to bring the states never played with the center right so like bigoted. I'm just wondering how he's going to fit like they don't run the traditional set right. I just don't know any point. We played half a season his first year 12 and six and it's pretty good decent you can thrive with stuff off the pick and roll can be one of those guys if you can become a Christian service from the start that obviously he needs to improve a lot to become this level, but the Chris bosh comparison can be there if you can hit that outside Saudis left the and he can get rebounds and blocked shots and into the pick and roll stuff. I'm just to be honest with him or listen.

I've not watched enough James Wiseman playing basketball the city. An incomparable to anyone.

So I really don't know what the guys can bring 12 and six as you said to see how he fits in with this team. The team doesn't really run sex for like a big man right so I don't know if it is a benefit in do you think is James Wiseman to be that big of a player for the next to hers, leaving Steve Kerr and he'll figure out a way to get them to fit in as a trusted leader is how I got like who doesn't come back to belief that come back. Mooney Mooney all these guys that were like his dollar is he a free-agent. He's got a good thing about time like 83 years old. Good dollar great career. By the way, but is also like heat. You know I saw something funny on the screen the other day that was like. And I don't buy this because this man has rings himself and somebody was like a good dollar is who you donis Haslam thinks he can, which I thought was a little rough because he has rings as I like you don't have rings but you know he has been hanging around 20 years now and I feel like heat serves a purpose on their team and in the locker room and I'm sure that's what Andre does. Could you could see like points where you dollar would take patent when patent get out again because Dell would be on him before the guiding got off the court in his ear cottage. Tell him what he did wrong, you know, pointing things out to himself. Veteran leadership and presence like that can understate so maybe Cabello does come back shortly. Take like the minimum. Obviously, probably to to come back since leaving a glorified coach as depends if there is a spot for him teasing you think will more likely have a chance to get back. I mean, that's tough.

Like you said the East is going to be strong. We can coming up to see you cannot forget about the Los Angeles Clippers, especially with Kawai Leonard having more than the full year to come back healthy. We all know what Kawai can do on the Basketball Ct., Paul, George, healthy, I think that they're going to make a move or two. I'm not really sure what that moves going to be but I say you have to look out for the clippers next year.

I hear he got sacked and didn't always happen and in the two subsets prior we already do it right now real quick way to early one on every team is 100% healthy top-five power rankings heading into 2022, 23, will the Golden State Warriors have to be number one. Why is the defending champions 100% healthy.

They're not the best team in the way the Celtics are, and I agree with you 100% healthy. The Celtics are better than the warriors another night. Don't hundred percent healthy now what because we as including Thompson's 100% healthy okay and I mean we can agree to disagree. So I mean the defending champions, unless staff were somebody retires going and I think you have to put them at number one. How could you not agree Larry Galli so you guys have the warriors number one let's keep going to.

I have read. Personally, I have the Milwaukee Bucks of Chicago will bear starting on walking. Yeah Milwaukee you have Jan's soon to be is still the best player in the league. Overall stuff stuff was incredible, but overall he honestly is still the best. So you hear me of a healthy Middleton hopefully Lopez will be fully healthy. So to me. Together, their number two Reina okay Brockman take why don't think the one person whom or what. I just don't know how you can say I hundred percent healthy.

I can think Milwaukee is probably number one I can think Brooklyn is is in the top five as well, we don't have to put them in the nose on their team was During Joe Harris.

That's all we know for fact why Gary Irving is technically on 1243 don't know where life can change tomorrow knee bends men's Alloc can change. I actually think Denver is in the top five will get completely fully healthy team good. They were this year away yogurt with another MEP to the best players number two and three. Not healthy, not playing the entire season and days was that I don't want to say this, by the Lakers are probably in the top five. Know the fully healthy will brought in 30 days.

On the top five is no way there's no way the team is trash. Besides those two pools is good about seeing the team in the NBA all you need are two good players all in the final. We just thought compare those that Lakers seem to all these other great teams are so many good teams to me there's not even a chance of there in the top five or interesting right so I think the Celtics up there. Adam and I have Golden State 1 You Have Milwaukee Ave., Milwaukee one Golden State, not even my top-five arrays uses English as a season. I got like fire hockey Brooklyn Boston Denver Lakers in no particular order. You got Golden State Milwaukee go Golden State Milwaukee fully healthy. Healthy heading into the season clippers clippers number three all go rush at the clippers Celtics for and this is the Homer and me if we get Rigoberto tomorrow I can be and we get Rudy go bear starting line of the Celtics get Bradley Beal were number one well okay will the current roster than men were not put tomorrow if we get Rudy will bear the Chicago Bulls can be a top-five team in this league fully healthy.

That is an incredible incredible lineup.

Yeah, bad stuff. You probably haven't injuries or whatever and who knows, but that team can really. I know the Homer I know it find we are the rules. Number five lane figure leave it blatant home rhythm grits. I take it or leave it PJ. I why got Golden State wine I got Millie walk a two agree with Chuck when their McGough clips three season four night number five men you know what Mike just I thought it was going to a stretcher, but I don't know if the skills going to go through so hold off on it and now if there healthy Sixers mean as much as I want to, but I'll save a Nuggets man because people kinda forget Jamaal Murray before he got hurt Sam's put himself on that next tear man in then he got hurt so we just can see how he comes back with Jamaal Murray can come back to 90% of what he was come back to bubble Jamaal Murray been yet these nuggets are prominent.

Also think about exactly him to think about what that does for Joker now all of that isn't on his shoulders. He doesn't have to score the many points he doesn't have to know to everything that he had to do currently. Without those two guys about Porter without Maria CA is in such a good place because think about it we did. We just did not mention the 64 when Finis Hans mentioned 56 when Memphis grizzlies written mentioned by the best young player in the game. Look at Don check. We didn't mention who else. The thing about doubt after taxes we ask or think it's kind of a known thing that I don't believe in and be there next year's emergency to fall for sure. And by the way what I would've put them for but because we don't know the Eaton situation. That's why I couldn't put Phoenix and for the please back the night. Yeah kind of bad for the sons right they had such a great regular season to bad games in the playoffs and by the way they were back to back games clearly in his home and got got smoke but we can allow that to take and then of course all the trash talking about Chris Paul like he was just some bum and stuff and all that stuff, sir coming out, but like you take away those too bad games at the end of the season. This Phoenix Suns team is really good.

They had a great season and if he comes back I'll put them in five I just from what I'm understanding it looks like you might not be back in 20, the year before Milwaukee and finals.

I wonder if working to find something out you months that like this team had a secret covert outbreak or something and they all were sluggish and stick as a member for Mr. J am I just I just don't understand what went wrong with that team also lost a lot of money like that is okay also. That's what I want to point out just a talent like there's the league I think it's it's really in a place we've never kinda seen before in talent wise. I mean if you look at one through 10 the playoff teams this year and each week, each team has a superduper star now like John Williamson is going to be back. He looks great in somebody's workout videos writer Anthony Edwards superduper star. The clippers thereto superstars to jot a Murray superstar tray young superstar Darius Garland superstar lamella ball superstar. It it believes in such a great place talent. What yeah I agree with you on that to me. I'm a little more discerning in terms of the Lord superstar at some of the guys I don't know what size the stars on to young young stars young armor could be first team all NBA at some that's just what I mean. Yes, I don't remember a time when there's been this was held in the league. Maybe the early 90s, early the early 90s I guess maybe when you have like the end of magic and Larry and Jordan's priming all those guys would I haven't seen anything like this of you have. You guys are a member in 1996. That draft class when there like 13 guys in the 97 I mean the late 90s we can't forget the amount of talent in the late 90s. I don't think was nearly as talented as novel is love that offense. Lot 8575 games love Boston is not a great defense, though being played. But if you look over all the support the late 90s to me was I was actually one of the worst periods of the idea, the late 90s and early 2000. On the other half games to watch the Lakers dynasty in the early 2000's. That was bad basketball hers dynasty anomaly and I didn't know what I want to nix like crappy asking a lot of teams that was likely 90s like, whatever. I mean that I will will agree to disagree on that I think is just Adams pointers 25 guys in the week right now who would be first team all NBA 25 years ago, every tear every team has a sensational young player that's amazing. You also told my head the only team that doesn't necessarily have the potential superstars really like Orlando allows him to say the magic but maybe call Anthony will become good luck getting a top three pick this year, but off the top my head right now. Every team kinda has a guy with the Kings don't nag the bonuses.

I may not be the superstar but I guess Fox out Fox's good player but I guess you say the Kings but who also has a lot of great young town the week that was my plan was to argue, but Harrison just pointing out that you have so many teams have a lot of really good young players you know as we come towards the, end of career Kevin Taranto. Lebron and Steph's been around for a long time now. It's it's it's good to see the league in good hands is my point. Any follow-up thoughts on I hear something I did want to do this is just a lot of news pop in the NBA draft is tomorrow I can talk really any draft file we can react next week in case there is some big trays right thing, but I think everyone, thinks Jabari Smith is going to go number one and then afterwards your chat home grantor, Paolo, and we'll see what happens there but what you guys think of this sky renews from yesterday. Was it the least surprising thing ever wake up and see a headline with Tyree's team acts, and then the word impasse about his future TJ with that shock you at all. Nothing that comes out about Tyree's shocking this point… Like what is it with this. I wish I knew him because it's obviously Kylie does good things right.

He really does. If you look around you look at some the stuff worries donated money and the things that he's done W baby M yeah are salaries of course.

Also, he's done great things. It's just like you know who makes it hard and I guess for from some, but you know if these are things that you believe in you and us, stand firm and you know what manner it if a man's got a belief to salute. As they say, you know, like, but I don't get some of the choices.

I guess that he's do you think he's on Brooklyn next year or do you think it's one of the other three teams rumored Lakers Clippers nix Adam who I just don't see what those other three teams could give up an equal value for the Lakers going to give up her Tyree that's anywhere close to him.

Westbrook is not tradable at this point nobody wants Russell Westbrook. That's the truth of the matter been on him, but I want the $47 million. Yes, contrast is a huge albatross. Nobody wants that and then the other teams use of the nix. Maybe RJ Barrett in a graphic know that's not can happen. He's not coming to the next and the last thing you said the clippers will they're not gonna give up all George or Kawai so the mustard they're trying to fleece the nets. That's not going to happen. So to me. I just don't see it a viable trade for him so if I do better. I see him staying on the nets to start the year can TJ can Tyree be the best player on a championship team. At this point in his career and he's actually never done it many he was number two to Lebron and his only title run in 2016 and by the way, guess what else is number two Lebron plays with. So during no shame in that. So you know you look at Tyree. Many you know he one night that first championship like pulled up on staff plus the jumper and as I would a lot of people are like what you doing Tyree and he hit the three so you know if there was a way you know Rich asked me that yesterday when I did like Tyree on the clippers answers absolutely. I would like Tyree on the clippers and as late if it doesn't cost you, Paul, George or Kawai yeah now the question is why well just talking about the cabs winning the NBA championship in 1716, 16, who was the coach who coaches the clippers so if there's someone who may be commanded sky reading kinda understands them and maybe Kylie respects because you start to hear rumors now that after Steve Nash had a practice Tyree would hold his own separate practice after the official practice. I don't know if I don't know if I should look at that as a bad thing or not. That because I think right off the bat people wanted you to look at it as a negative. My first thought was, like elements Working in the Work and it's kinda hard to knock somebody for that matter if you're doing that second practice because you try and overwrite what the coaches say obviously that's a huge issue. We don't know you know which box that you know this information should go in. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt and say maybe he was trying to get extra work but yet there was a way that she could get him to the clippers without losing either of those too sure because Tyree is still guys when it comes to food chains in the point guard world. He's deftly still near the top of the top of the food chain so you could get a chance to get him but I kind of agree with you Chris.

I just don't see a way that it does happen and make if you're just looking at it right. It's so it's so frustrating it's frustrating that Daimler didn't listen to me. Once a go and try to get his way to Philly because that with the been the best choice for him. But you know whatever I gave up at this point you want to jump around too much, but I the Dean situation is just insane. What is the rest of his career look like I want to get too far off. I rake the start one more point Tyree Kawai and Paul George.

That's a nearly unstoppable trio available in the championship. I believe so.

I really believe that perfect perfect it does to God, which is why it's kind of insane to me that like it just didn't work with hardened direct yeah Chris you know what I am. I'm fond of saying here on the podcast we talk about chemistry but at times the only thing pH balanced and some of these clubhouses is the shampoo so sometimes it just comes down to this is some kind of a cool thing. This is not working and apparently that's what went on in Brooklyn with with with the clippers with all George and quiet you get better defense, way better defense doesn't point out that hardened and the rental car is not great is all right as a defensive player, but his office is so good, but then you have the defense with Paul George and choir that would make a threesome championship level X on the rest of his legs watch. However, if you keep rich Jacobin of course if you have to have to go, I normally got Eleanor Powell Marcus Morris Day we think Kevin Durant is thinking now because he that he sees the team he leaves. When a championship now that no one really thought was probably ever to happen again like let's be honest, I don't think we thought 1/4 title was in the cards for Stefan Clay, dream on, and then now the guy he wanted to team up with for some reason Tyree, Irving, now there's talk that he might leave now Kevin Durant is just kind of Will Smith that the end is, look around the house will probably never know the actual reason because he's too busy trolling and fighting people on here and just thinking out just doing whatever he does what he think he's thinking right now is tremendous question, you will keep the main unit was in battle.

That is the fee with Berkeley right now to talk about bus drivers exist that serve I just I the thing about I love basketball alabaster mordant football I love it more than I am. I love it. I was wrestling its prey on equal footing.

But old school MBA in the new school MBA discussions can't get along. They just it really does happen football.

Granted, but not to the effect that it is a basketball rehab that the players from the past constantly at odds with the players of today. It happens like a said sometimes in football you'd never see them baseball and happens it probably happens. 10 seconds ago in basketball like I don't understand. Is it jealous that I guess I get to a point right if you are sick.

One of the best players on earth in the 90s, and you see what these guys are making the day.

Of course you are going to be a little better because you know you know that had your parents just met a decade later, they do you know you're all life savings would be a little bit different right foot. You know Katie walked into a situation where he got so much crap right. He walked in the Golden State. And no matter what anyone tries to say he was the best player on those two championship tilts down with all due respect to Clay and step who were bawling at the highest level. Kevin Durrant was the man now does it hurt that argument. We made one without him. Yes. So basically I'm just talking right now. I know waiting for you guys jumping very confusing. I don't know what to think. It's like eating deftly drove the bus on those championships. But now the buses come back around the block and you see there's a different driver and it still on the same row in.I don't know what extent is your point about jealousy about the money you want play the career earning game for Clyde Drexler man let's I would say Clyde's regular Andrew Wiggins is in the entering the final year of his five-year $147 million contract. Andrew Wiggins, we just said is the fourth guy on the call sheet work on the call sheet Clyde Drexler number one on the call sheet for most of his career career earnings Adam how many years we put he play 884 to 90 and 11 in Portland and three with Houston.

This 14 I'm going to go with $45 million.

Okay TJ, Sais $52 million.

Well you guys are way too too much credit. Okay Clyde Drexler I his last three years in Houston.

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The majority of his 31.1 career earnings while Mike C and so you can Clyde is in the one doing gains talking. I have no I do what he sounds like even though it's been on the show. I went back I all-time great top 75 all time. All ladies all ladies team for sure. Like the second best to guard of his era $31 million he would refuse coming up in his prime. Now his career earnings could possibly have been four to $500 million.

He could've had to max contracts as Clyde had his own shoe. Okay all world game. Yeah I'm sitting just a sneaker contract alone get his own shoe, which they didn't pay like that back right so you know you got guys now get 100 million coming on the college for first make a deal on managing FISA limit JAMA and NIL era. My gosh Clyde Dressler would have been payees but even if you look back like Michael Jordan was only in his prime, and in the early 90s was only making I believe Mehsud a $5 million. Michael Jordan was really underpaid athlete in the history of said is making my way more off his endorsement like eating Gatorade and Wheaties than he ever was from sellers unless you actually made real real significant money with the bulls was 97 and 98 seasons Michael Jordan threatened to Michael Jordan career game or a quick why knowing that a lot in his last two years so I will say this whole earnings with the Boulder wizards also is important the wizards is only 1 million each year. Okay, okay, maybe it's not important. I'll say Jordan's career earnings were $75 million.

Okay TJ I'm the go a little over that will over 86 million. Okay, so Michael Jordan in his two mega years, 97, 30,000,098, 33 million. That's 63 million right there. Add Clyde Drexler's career and you get $94 million for Michael Jordan, but without those two years at 31's getting fat.

And so to our point of completely different air in the MBA than 25, 30 years ago. Salaries guys are making. I totally understand why some of the old heads no want to talk down this era, basketball. I totally understand and also you know you get, but we have to take in consideration that time okay because that money at that time that was huge money you right right so it was a conflict was the first ever million-dollar baseball player that was now is unlike 1988 yeah so you take that in consideration I just there also huge haters not only on the amount of money people make, but I think it's more the style of play, but I see the 80s and 90s players talking trash and players now because they're constantly saying oh it's on the land. No different. So you handle things that they've got a good point there man because you can't touch people. Now like a Michael Jordan plane the day I mean it is not 50, but he's deftly probably didn't, 37, the game would make beat him with a bang and you know so imagine imagine it now if you breathe to file my exaggeration, 45, 46 a game and that's not like hyperbole even exits in Micah said and with the back getting hit bro in stable people say they miss the old days that like you miss guys getting close line didn't like there's nothing about that. That would make me go.

I want to see someone else put in the position were there didn't like the teeth knocked out there, didn't you know undercut like I know pine for the miss those days.

But I also don't love today either where the last five minutes of the game takes an hour you were reviewing every little tiny thing where you know a hard file suddenly becomes flagrant to here's he's ejected and here's two shots +2 technicals plus the ball back and suddenly know Golden State is a seven point plan like I don't love than that air that no specific of today's game and I don't know if we could somehow find a healthy mixture of half hard-nosed basketball look awfully let them play a little bit but also if it's obvious: all final you know I is the officiating is just so tough to watch sometimes it really is. We got we got off the point of what Kevin Durant's think you kind of look at them on Twitter and he you know he does a good job you people say that he's sensitive but I'm like I don't know this necessary sensitivity when summons and I'm finding this out, which you know we have fun with and I hope you know that I'm having fun with you see someone say something about you unlike you two page props to you right if you're someone who can see some roaming on his phone.

Talk trash about you and you take the high road and be the better man and not talk back to them if you can do that in man, come teach me the way because I can't do it at all they want.

They want some to read like I like to say people want attention. I'm here to give it to you, and I think that's how Kevin the rentals bottom line is it's Kevin Durrant's place in basketball lures should be secure. He is one of the greatest scores we've ever seen is when the grace basketball players never seen.

He's got two rings and whether or not he went somewhere else to get them or not he won MVP of the hose finals and you know with a size smaller shoe rate.

He goes to a final last year. He doesn't tear his Achilles will know what happens but II feel like Kevin Gardner.

I think Kevin Durrant know it don't don't don't take the Chesebro you are greatest of all time sheet to me. He takes pleasure in and clapping back in the hobby of his. Like I said like I like really the bottom line is this Adam. He should look at and be like Kevin, the writ of who I am and if you think you would talk trash another though because I'm good at talking trash is good at basketball. So what really can you be, can you think apparently people say that Kevin Durrant is super boring.

The off-season essentially stays in his bow hello my name is mostly that's really all it does good life. It's a good life you with you would believe with all of the opportunities he has all the money and access to everything he has. The fact that he is weak, essentially wasting his time talking back to these holes is is kinda crazy to think about.

I think I guess if you get pleasure out of it and who's to say to do.

But you hear so many other things he could point really is it time though like it takes 10 minutes to sit in the rural if you give me 10 minutes right now I could tweak 35 times per my phone number you never let your mother even put your your your your mind and that sort of place to me. It seems kind of a waste of a mindset to do that I (a guy should really check out that the book by Matt Sullivan that follows the that's their independent before and during the pandemic by even Steve Nash. Just like I wish he would put his phone down. It seems I if you get the sense that he's on it all the time not is not just a 10 minute thing where he is just like they just respond to a few people… Like constant constant scrolling and reading. One thing we have to get use to is you know that air will rendering their rituals talk about Kyler Murray. You know with his thing about putting things out like scrubbing your Instagram and understand the that's the error were in. This is like your phone will dictate its you like for us were older, maybe we don't have that but like computer 23 you had that phone in your hand since birth. That's all they know.

So glad you're gonna like make announcements on your Instagram and Twitter because that's all you know like you're going to spend time on the social media outlets because they resonate now. I obviously Durrant's in his early 30s, so little different but which is different generations just you have to adapt to the way the world is in the world is now everyone is going to be talking through the phone and like you said it, I give you props if you're someone who could read something about you in a negative light and just brush it off like kudos.

I don't feel bad for grants either. He made his bed with this whole situation. If you decide to leave the warriors. It's not we should feel bad for this guy at all. He souls won championships is one of the best players of all time thinking he's asking it on the feel bad for he's deafly not, but the narrative of like what is Durrant thinking deftly been out there for the last week so I just want to bring up with you guys all right.

Let's work were nearing the end here… Can I that is not direct it would help though. If he were to get a title where he was that quote unquote unquestioned bus driver then it would be like, what can you say no you can't change just because with the self hurry thing for finals and VP those little*now this is something with Durrant's whether people like it or not, I will always be something that people will say about Kevin Durrant unless he wins a championship by himself on totally agree with you that I let's get out here five minutes on. We promise were talk when it finally we had one charming gonads and studio about it so we let Adam Sandler. Let's talk about a hostile if you haven't seen it yet. It is awesome I loved it. I love it might've been a little too long to the point it teaches can bring up but basketball scenes were great.

You may have knew which direction it was going or maybe how is good and but I had so much fun with it. Cameos from the direct 25 some NBA players and their Kenny Smith was great not playing himself and playing an agent with vie en rose right that we aren't all probably based on which Paul and Jean-Paul great great character. He was I loved the story of Adam Sandler as a scout for Philadelphia and he's off to find the next big international player and he does so in Herman Gomez was you guys think what you said about the time thing that was that was me that was more adamant Adam had a timeless right it was a little too long with the Tremont hell yeah it was just like this. Bottom line, I'm not Siskel nor Mike Hebert. I will just say this deal like Adam Sandler check yes you like basketball.

She acquiesced boom is simple. Players stir and serve hot or not Adam Sandler, Van not like him so if you don't like basketball, you're probably not like counsel. But if you like. Those two worlds like chocolate and peanut butter and ended in a recent PC to come together it's magical and it's fun and it was just a fun watching at a great time with it. You know what show did his thing is bow cruise in the chest. Another of the long list of Sixers front office head scratching mistakes when you have a guys counted is about and you in your scout your lifelong scout/cover all are really spoilers with this window will at this point.

I mean, yes, well, it is okay so just just another long list tomorrow night. I don't know what's going to happen with the Sixers in the draft.

They might do the same thing.

I don't know makes me even more not realize he was only themselves. Once it was on the Celtics but still it still annoyed me that the Sixers had this guy and we pass it. It was like reliving your Jason Taylor by Merrill. That's a nightmare that I will never have I come from is Jason Tatum's wins championships and MVPs is always going to be reset on to be right there next year to remind you every step. How was your favorite cameo Adam idling Anthony Edwards counts he was and I was going to say in a little too much is awesome it was. He played the perfect billing guy was awesome. Here it legitimately has a future acting class ahead of him.

He was fantastic in this movie.

I would be. Everybody loves this guy, but come on the bulb on cameo is so great that seen with Simon about I want to go against the grain of sand out of Montréal.

You're somebody like the string on your way showed up 2222, six, 10 son comes at me like he's 12. We technically I'm a little biased. Also, I was lucky enough to it's covered for the show.

I have to go to the premiere in Westwood trim because I was watching the premiere under the same roof is Lebron James Adam Sandler was my life right now as it was so sorry actually in there's a lot of famous people there and Queen Latifah was there and we went to play in Adam Sandler as a couple to couple I never knew we needed, but you know I was like okay fine.

Did you buy that by them together. I did what you kinda got the back story of how athletic she was right. How athletic he was, yeah, it did like I'm going the same with people like those for sure yet jarring efforts are like they're on their marriage and enters it like a great point similarly to Mary is generated. Overall I really enjoyed the movie. The total critiques. Obviously, like you said about the school year or Roper still couple critiques like I said a little too long been cut by 20 to 30 minutes. The training seems well fun. They just drag on a little too much for me there gently trying to emulate the Rocky Rocky theme. It obviously being a Philadelphia sports movie him call you know training the montage and cut a little another critique for me and I told you this before was I didn't think that the book cruise character was incredibly likable. He seems a little bit like he she was not very grateful for all of what Sandler was member what Bert was doing forum that he could've been a little more likable maybe showed some of his yes; guiding Bert Sugarman and maybe you're thinking about maybe we should not even a little like more likable and maybe show little more of his back story of him working construction in songs like this point I'm kinda nitpicking on that and again Adam. He was being lied to the whole, so maybe him being standoffish was right because essentially Stanley was lying on the whole time yet to be standoffish, but also the sky brought him for the opportunity of a lifetime worth you can do that.

He just would've been the construction work and as I was assuming that the Sixers were paying for everything that a charter so he goes, like when my care if I only take one bite of this $60 stay exactly like the teams paying for it. There billionaires even realizing.

Obviously were lower that Adam Sandler's characters foot the bill for all their edges just so beautiful like heat in the training. Seems he obviously wanted he was going hard, but the entire time and I think it's a feeling she was desperate to make the NBA like another guy would this was fully the Sandler character was way more desperate for this to work out then and bow cruise was you I think really I was pretty resigned to the fact that he was going to work construction and real water that was his and hustle people in the on the blacktop so you where's Stanley was essentially having a career/midlife crisis were he thought to himself this has to work out for Merrill's. Maybe my career is over. So I respected that with Sandler's is a great actor. This guy he once was from from the funny guy and happy Gilmore and Billy Madison Geisel generally good dramatic actor, and you combine that with the fact that he was able to make jokes in between that's a little I enjoyed about the movie.

It is a serious tone, but there were moments multiple moments where I laughed out loud yeah that's what I really enjoyed about the movie was the combination of it being more of a serious drama but you have a comedy within it.

That's what I really enjoyed about the movie little like you guys are said as a basketball fan, you can't help but not so enjoy the movie. The cinematography you and the shots that they had of the training and in some of the games were incredible. I love the beginning we meet Bo cruising's wherein the construction boots always hustling guys you always in New York and he still trying to hustle guys and the like Adam's apple you not to do that anymore, like you're going to be the NBA of the hustle guys for 20 bucks and then how they got social media involved. What was the score on borrowers and it was the hashtag and the just the bow challenge. I got it. That was awesome like I said I had so much it was a really great fun, uplifting. If you love NBA two hours like to just spend and chill out that it was great love everything about giving people who don't want best quote. So enjoy it as I was wondering what I think so. Eileen Mrs. also has a feel-good story yeah you know like the detectives does a happy ending. And now it's ups and downs family dynamic. Anytime someone in your family you know there's a villain Ben Foster's characteristics, runs the Sixers like he's kind of attack and so was clearly made for basketball fans. It has those Easter eggs of even like the cameos by Prof. and an early full shooter and so you have those Easter eggs for the real who said that that gives it more of a fun time to watch yet. It was great.

I worked up to have a little more fun chats like this throughout the summer off-season pie talk some summer we will recap the NBA draft next week and have a list people all these Instagram lists. My goodness were to have our take on Ali's hope you guys enjoyed today's episode was really fun. NBA season. Hope you enjoyed our coverage of it. I miss basketball is more, weekly Artemis ball draft tomorrow list draft tomorrow to check out Adam and TJ, thanks guys and see you next later