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YouTube.com/Rich Eisen show but thrilled to have here in studio in our number three. One of my favorite people that Susie and I have had the pleasure of getting to know and meet in our time you're in Los Angeles, California. The author of this book that I'm holding up in my hands that's available wherever you can get your books on Tuesday, July 5. It is a terrific book called the church of baseball. The making of bull Durham home runs, bad calls, crazy fights, big swings and ahead none other than Ron Shelton.
Great to see use or under cover to be all part of the book you recall that you would call up to into the starting status here on the El Segundo 18. Congrats on the book III cannot wait to voraciously take this.
In this it appeared at our house Susie in our house on Tuesday, equipment runs, but what the hell's going on and boom you are in a Wednesday because your your your schedule was awesome to be free, why, why, why write the book.
First of all the hustle does before coming here ice signed up to assure the publisher probably got to get over you look at it because I just watched okay in the green room just to him than my godson objectively against him said his favorite line, moving archly.
This two hours ago for you and some this is grandma no way to get the newlywed game stuff right so again you're referring to when Tim and Jack Henry Robbins were here on the show last March in advance of your parents here last time we showed up a clip from that conversation where you asked Chris right you asked him Robbins in the movie. I said the roads goes in the front of the front. That's the setup here.
Seaside Mr. Susie and I are okay written. Susie, my friends, the Rose goes in the front always remember that Ron should one more domestic that's your best dad ever better.
I promise to embarrass my son just gave me these socks for Father's Day. We depose Emily on her. It's a super dad you this is done very nice socks for Father's Day. That such a father is 18, only conjecture I might die was his socks and you raising a crash Davis in your own your own household.
Pretty much, so it's good let's get in the book here. Like why why did you decide to write behind the scenes were making of bull Durham.
It was an accident that happened was I wrote something about it in a literary agent got it and said I can write a book. I can solve no intention of ever write about the pandemic yet and I'm home several book but the introduction to the book tells a couple stories about why over the years. I'm always asked about the movie. There's so much misprinted about it. Harrison Ford was not offered the Bard share was not offered.
And there's so much crap out there and I went to Durham, assuming a four years ago for the 30th anniversary of the movie I was unlike Mayor down there because the town was boarded up and read the movie and then the country came back and everybody says the movie must've done it and so I'm like I could be a mayor is and I get the red carpet treatment every time a Durham body was incredibly nice place to live. Now everything is fixed up abandoned warehouses or condos, new ballpark will think so. I'm down there and before the game. I'm doing a Q&A with failed to get 500 people in the section of the 12,000 seat ballpark in this says remotely that they get the mic in this we moved my husband I moved to Durham because of the movie we take a picture with you and our two sons sure Wanda so the Durham ball team out of target for in the local paper and the boy was to little boys eight and I'm closing and I looked on the board as what your name is my name is crash I looked at the mother looked at the young one that I'm afraid to ask and he looked at the mother chooses Phillips on the thesis that minute so I jog around a bunch of kids crashing new there would name their kids after these guys is time for me to tell my version of the story.
So that's but honestly what did they get candlesticks for their wedding will and you know I hear that's that that's a good thing to get for my gosh that is so cool and and the great part about this book to is it's about the making of the movie and how the hell did you get this made Ron because you had zero standing in in the film community right in the screenwriting community was very lucky and know what orders opportunity meets.
So, whatever that one is and is chapter that reads like a thriller about how close it came to not getting made making down to the minute of losing Koster and some everybody turned down twice with Kevin attached every studio, will you know you never write a movie and minor leagues of tears Was already written them in attached right. I got Kevin attached how did you get Kevin Costner transfer for week I sent it.
I newsagent my center of the script and she didn't care if I was the girl yet writing for another directing and she liked me and she gave it to Kevin and Kevin liked it. He was about to do another movie and he was having creative differences with the other movie so there was a slight brief window that I could land the big fish and we did in the nick of time amidst I had 30 days to get the or he had to go do everybody's All-American football move just that Dennis greatly started right thing to Ford story and his agent is big agent wanted him to do. The other movie and is younger agent wanted to do my move in on the last day we been turned on, everywhere that Thursday would lose about 6 o'clock Friday Kevin for the Alamo because he can't not have a job in the sure and we called Orion pictures in New York. I had written under fire for them, which they loved. It was not a hit here but is a big hit in Europe and Kevin had a movie in the camp for six months there called no way out that they were afraid to release because he ends up being a communist buyer but an incredible movie boiler astronomy member shall young great movement.
Yes then suddenly didn't want to do.
It was late August which is the burial ground for movies and school hasn't started and what is on the and ice was we called them. Kevin and I and in those no email in those days, so we called his agency William Morris and the organs and run over to hardcopies that are still in the office at 7 o'clock and I said to them, we got, I know tomorrow because Kevin will do the other movie and at noon the next day they called and said it's 3 o'clock in New York is a dizzy, you really can lose it. I said I'm online when losing and by Monday we had agreement moving five weeks later we were shooting no jive weeks later, just under the gun. Arlene would've never I don't think I'd definitely and then between that Ron shown here on the rich doesn't show his new book were just getting just a slice of the stories of small little slivers stories in the making of bull Durham the church of baseball. The making of bull Durham new book that you can start getting on July 5. Role books require. So what about the rest of of that of the cast. I know you you you told the story before on the show but we might as well tell it again here how Susan Sarandon was not well, as you and either movie and the book I thought it was in the glove. The list of the capital L right every studio network streaming company has has a list of actors and actresses that are acceptable, find it for financing for visit at any given moment, but but the list keeps changing names, often on it so you're trying to cast the movie from people that are on the list it in the lead parts secondary parts of and she wasn't on the list we did know why other women were on the list and then off the list of alignment in a rigid Calling and I kept saying she's not right for the part well I knew she was right for the part but I can't tell the truth that she's not on the list of that's giving away company secrets and then the studio head start screaming and having the start of my career.
So finally, the agent says sheets and she's living in Italy with her two-year-old and she's gonna fly her own time from Italy to LA will you see your eyes. Yes, I'll see her if she flies and I can't not steer very sorry, said Kevin here in the office. Out of respect in Susan terms pretty much from the airport in this killer tube dressed man never to present to have horizontal red and white stripes and eroticism can stop traffic and she comes in boldly. If you look at you look like you don't have a 14 hour flight) to Victor kidding them anywhere in the car to get out in the parking she comes in she is owns a room she just pushes Kevin around, in terms and in terms everybody in, and she leaves the sewer also known as sleep in the day Friday. I think what she was great, which is not on the list. What really do what we do is on our drive for drink slow the mind and about an hour later I got a call from Mike miniver who ran the studio just, and he said you know that the list here even though we just in Susan Sarandon, I saw a couple of weeks ago event is looking great so let's put her on the list. We knew that he considered two weeks ago. She wasn't really doing what she did.
She went straight from the meeting to Orion pictures started working her way up and down the hallway she found that avoids office and dazzles all the men in the hallway left for the airport to fly back to Italy and he put her on the list because that rim like to address identity and how Annie was born and filling the technologies been hard drive hundred and and is the flight from Italy to Durham, said she loved the script to his enemies. She just she's been you had her to live with the script and everything else she knew the script I mean she didn't. Around edition ready to shoot and how to Tim Robbins get attached to this because again your godson is Jack Henry and that was a funny thing when he was here on studio is like this is the movie that had created me because despite Larson's parents met so out of 10 that was the hardest part cast because some of the athletic guys young versions of Kevin, and yet you couldn't have a young another 20-year-old version Kevin when you read the 36-year-old version Kevin Rice.
Why would you go with a younger version so you had said so is very different than in teaching menus. What 6 foot or five is a big big guy in youth: bull Yankton. He was 30. Plan 19. We had such a boyish face and it was just so different than Kevin that I put them in a room together and I thought that's great chemistry because they just are so different that it no chemistry in movies book darts or disasters to people are completely different. You can put that's why Bogart would work with Paul Hamre doing work with another tough guy Nicholson doesn't work with another tough guy he works with somebody different. So anyway, I was very lucky to find him and he also he thought he never made a movie he had made one and they didn't tell me about it. Call Howard the duck, which was the big history I know right.
He was the lead in a bit that you didn't only the ageist endowments are driving the right after you left that I hired him was that you have been leaving Howard the duck is ejected but he was great if Corsi was Ron shown here in the rich eyes and show Bob before we take a break I just when asked this question, you must have some terrific insight on it.
I have some idea of it but I'd love to hear from you. Costner is in bull Durham Costner's and tin cup which were gonna talk about a little bit in the next segment as well. Costner in field of dreams. Costner made his own sports movies well in for love of the game and he was terrific in draft date when what I thought we would never see another sports movie again and he was just one of those moments at the end of that move where he just dominated the scene in and it was the major love sports and love the moment. Why do you think he so perfect for those moments in these movies on show is a great fit for me because we both came out working families know it and drop it in his inventor.
I'm from Santa Barbara but we weren't never silver spoon in her mouth and working parents and in rural high school athletes and junior high athletes and Mike is a college and beyond athletes of we both came out of not only to similar backgrounds and Kenneth declaw our way into the business and no man I used to knock on doors.
The scripts in stock that's about like a homeless guy in the street read my script is my number and and so I think he's a hard worker, hard worker.
We both really respect how difficult sports is at a high level at any level and a lot of people who are just fans don't get this is a tough way to make living and I think moviemaking is very athletic, preparation, preparation, preparation, and then action. The whistle blows the ball is kicked off the mollusk to the first bridge again and suddenly all the preparation becomes an instinctive and intuitive, not rational, so making movie is very similar to playing a game.
What about a relatability factor call to me like you, you've gotta. It's not just believing it was an athlete there.
There is just just trying to find like what is great in everything he does. I mean even now right here on a peacock.
You could see all of Yellowstone and everything that the guy does his spectacular on the huge fan. He knows that to I just wonder what could we we talk about all the time like sports movies, who's the greatest actor in sports movies while who's been in the ones that resonate the most the longest in its him to buy for my close correct not enclosed. He had played the Tabasco with Tabasco company, how does it look decent, hitting a golf was the most difficult of all of you know, he could be in about then he could probably ice skate there marking just a natural athlete and you can't teach that they can teach athleticism. The church of baseball.
The making of bull Durham home runs, bad calls, crazy fights, big swings in ahead. Let's take a break one hit on not good to go down a little bit of memory Lane also spin forward. If you're up for it.
Some of the characters in some of your other iconic films that you put out there. Ron Shelton now and offer to go along with his screenwriting and directing credits back here on the rich eyes and show in a moment Ron Shelton back here in the rich eyes and show so alerting that okay included on any college except he wasn't interested in books and signed right away.
Three years later was with and we are in the major sucker. Now it's 9057. We don't have a television and worked Sunday school. My dad gathers us up and skip church were like terrified that God is in the strike. He thaws us all under the giant station did up station wagon. My mom's like okay with it sums up we get home. There's a guy from the local department store installing the TV as it was the fourth game of the World Series. The Yankees the Braves because it and in the brazier down to give the one they were trailing. We watch the game.
We kept waiting. God is going to get a wrist different in the beginning Eddie Matthews hit a three run home run to win the game when the game yes we started going to church less. That's why this is called the church a base Eddie Matthews released us from God is amazing.
When did you decide you want to play baseball professionally run that happened when I was three, probably in high school I was a little scrappy guy wasn't very big but I would like joined up that much in hit singles everywhere right then in one year I grew to 611 80 so when I was a freshman college suddenly like no D1 school administered municipal with subtly freshman college ever but it was Stelter's enlightenment with the scheduled because I have skills I just didn't have size and and then I realized I have, I'd have a shot is going to get drafted as a sophomore, but I wanted to keep going basketball and baseball. So I sign with after my senior but who the Orioles the Orioles OKC were always in the Orioles system pretty much not follows the sign with the Angels and then out my own career is in the Orioles, who it was with you in the Orioles system that we will is a funny story and you're right I signed and went to LAX and from Santa Barbara to Bluefield, West Virginia umbilical country that the rigidly Appalachian and I get there third baseman and there's 4050 60 guys there. Season starts next day and I broke only 25 roster spots of 60 guys thought they wanted team in the stove were still competing and I looked, and there is less guys taking infield short than anywhere else like Sonoma shortstop's true and I made the team with a good story and started in Edmonton and to explain to Joe out the belly of starting this career as a mechanism is in manage manager after career.
Chris Davis got a career of adopting the big leagues replaced or because Muni says son.
Consider, I'd like to play second base and Isaac non-played shortstop I get one and I didn't dinner and I made an error in he said well they just sort of decided there no more addicted out of Long Beach name Bobby Goodrich, rich eyes.
It is gotta be me out nieces son is Artie due to a reasonable thing to get him a lot of money. Homeless mother to give you orders about about a second baseman Jimmy Burrell is doing great jaws on the can we system you want to play second base or do you want Jimmy real is based nice and skip. I love second baseman Jimmy Rose gone the next day and welcome to probational. I thought for some reason you are saying third base yet to move author Chris Brooks Robinson was gonna be living there anyway for Rev. well so I thought I'd let you know when I got to AAA that we are AAA third baseman who did four years in a row internationally. Also didn't get a couple coffee big leagues to lose 32 years is that with Mike Ferraro is a hell of a player because he was insurance or Brooks rather than sit on the bench in Baltimore and wanted him to be sharp and sleep late every day and not getting a chance of the vaguely unbelievable. That's what the seller is one story that is that's unreal because I think he was a bit of the inspiration, not his personality but his dilemma for Chris Davis can imagine. So right that your Dare you want to be in the Bigs, but they need you to stay sharp so you go where you can get the ABCs and Brooks Robinson is never gonna he hardly missed anything. He never missed a game. Unbelievable that in the other guy whose inspiration was I read a lot about this guy Steve Nowakowski who is considered the hardest tour ever played by almost everybody and in the minor leagues in Bakersfield.
He would show up begging money was an alcoholic and that he would come to the clubhouse and don't go out to Billy was my manager mostly agree with a lot given one in which it was that Joe said that Steve Falkowski and the stories of Donald Koski started coming out he he he did in the Baltimore organization for 10 years, right he is average.
His career was 13 strike of 30 watch the game yet. Monday was 20 strikeouts 20 W and nine you know he's like through 340 Pacific is a little lefty in the legends or aunt I write about insert and think and he took him all these years to Earl Weaver, a minor-league manager in AA got into like cynical victim throws a hard Steve go for 100 miles an hour just so 80% and so we had this great your interpolating made the major league roster. After 12 years, and he heard his arm spring-training on building up but come, but so he gets to AAA and he was an alcoholic to Dr. Dr. guide told Sally and the rest of so Dr. Lucas is to AAA after all these years the minors in the room him with Joe out to Billy who is a 36-year-old AAA veteran is he so one does so mature that it is a mess. They is a Joe your job is to mature him just divide and I said what was that like Joe says the old lines is I don't know.
I roomed with a suitcase. He was drinkable and that became that relationship of new and of downtown ski and dropped the belly not the specifics of the character of the dynamic between new contractor to build a Ron Shelton here on the rich eyes and show all right. Let's let's have a little bit of fun here. If you're up for it even though I haven't told you about it so hopefully you are a Fort we have two characters from four of your films including bull Durham where now everything there is. Dave you know there's SQL mania once again.
Certainly with Top Gun maverick making $1 billion worldwide. I'm wondering if we calculate two characters you tell me where you think they are today. Off the top your head Ron Shelton.
Okay, we can start with from the film. Bull Durham as we just discussed where where is crash Davis today would you think Chris Davis got a went to the minor started in Visalia as a manager and he's worked his way up and is taking them all these years and Durham is now AAA down so he's worked his way up to Durham, which used to be a gateway to oblivion and now it's possibly the gateway to the big leagues so he's on the verge of actually getting to the big leagues as amended, and that's how we we find crash Davis rest is other is other things okay. Any physical exam he still with her regularly. It didn't work out. III outlined in the in the afterward.
The book does the outline for the SQL I once had. That didn't happen. Okay, never was too old now but that after they carried it didn't work because she's not to travel around in the supportive wife of oregano Snickers life or whatever and I love trying particular way. That's a great light that extends Alexa's like rejected Neil Simon movie right this time was that there's life.
I was an angel.
All the wide-ranging sure right now the Indy reads life Jesus with the right so tonight I love snickering. I love Indy reads I can use their wiser so so it doesn't work because she can't do that so she ends up teaching in the Sorbonne in Paris is an expert on it. If you center singer who she's always playing her house is really concerned will and she is like the legendary French singer who is Susan really an expert on about PR's life whose payoffs love big love, Marcel served on the middleweight boxing champion with movies been made about this and that her love was a deathly so she falls in love. She thinks the French director but she doesn't realize that it's not real love until she goes back to teach one year at Duke University and runs into navigator/sewer is new this is excellent contest nukes.
Venezuela working on a knuckleball even noticed that the countries gone to hell with it, who discovers them down there. Robert will never do this to the big leagues of pitching coach Gary hundred he ends up being a scout which is the worst job in the world and ends up in Latin America where we should find great players in Venezuela but there's no economies of these living in his car and he discovers new with a pretty good Jim Boutin note knuckleball and their reunited any managers because the big clubs of Linda there's always room for another part. I will email you the sky first round up the sword as he go to Durham there all reunited. That's a movie that will never get Amanda Skinner Time Machine Ron Shelton here on the rich, as justly will where are they now from blue chips coach Pete Bell.
What happened to him were squares coach Pete Bell right now you think he's in Turkey is in the Turkish basketball league. Okay which is actually pretty good. Discouraging the women's team fantastic.
There's some really interesting stories. There was a limited but the only spark who I try to get the rights it was too complicated now in the demands of the business.
The mandate she was no big strong power forward. No lesbians so common that league and she was also Muslim and trash talker and she was really funny documentary okay. She ends up in a getting in trouble here in the WBA and for a charge was later dropped the charge and she ends up in the Turkish legs is true, which is MVP Jesus from Naaman in Turkey. Chris is talking trash on and off the court may lover in the NBA WBA forgiveness. They realize the charge is false and she has a chance to come back in the team. She picked was little Washington DC women's team is because she had a crush on Condoleezza Rice to start is that I warmly sunk on the elements of God woman told me this is a disillusionment like I can do this but I couldn't get anybody interested so you're doing leave coach Pete Bell is that he would be coaching her okay minute of the other character from blue chips, wondering about what wears happy cotton doll. Today was the poster today.
Do you think maybe University of Western universities that he runs the Western University and IL program right are you I think you name, image and likeness up it's because now it's world.
Happy's world is that he finds the new Sonny Vaccaro. He's only made it. He's he's like the guy who's the guy wrote a script about him alerted the bunko lab Victor Conti that you can't un-parked outside Victor Conti's house. One of we defended him on an event he was the guy selling all the drugs never and was busted big by the paper in the great book called game of shadows came on course.
Remember that you we option that to and Conti now was the biggest drug dealer ever is now leading the anti-drug charge working with the water. All that is like he's you are you are you know cream in the clear your desk of the bubble. Escobar is working for Victor Conti next next.where are they now Ron Shelton.
This is not the top. He had noted. Ron has no idea this is all coming where is Billy Hoyle today.
Do you think Ron Shelton's liquor workshop where the no I was really sad and I think Billy never escapes and is working in the best he can do is work for Caltrans with orange Vaseline on a broom by the side of the that will be good for Billy. That's poor Billy Hoyle is the best but probably is working in the rec center somewhere you know, sweeping the floor trying to play horse games with young kids just I don't think, at least in my I think he was doomed.
No kidding. While that bum Jan Chris kind I mean you could kinda see that by the end of the movie that Billy is just kind trapped in a world that by his own doing. He can't get out of, and it does make sense, even though you want what's best for them because he's a very likable guy go off the road here how to get Marcus Johnson for the movie and you have Marcus auditioned and I love Tim from when he was a great high school player at Crenshaw high to UCLA the audition he read for the role and you know he was coming in like markets should be. Marcus Johnson was coming Marie for the reply so as to minimize this is part of Johnson was the only NBA player that came in re-collateral your uncle okay, but he was one is a great guy, really great guy and people forget what a dominant party was clear is that they got hit hard edges, but he was like all Pro's first six or seven years in the wooden award went on is very believable in this role to get his gun sure about Marianne's minimum, the maximum where is Gloria Clementi today. We think Lori is again because she is made from this world of social media and she would be all these women and men who have giant careers and you don't know what they do, will she actually does stuff to talk she would she would be dwarfing card. The Kardashians should be the all-time Jeopardy champ right now that Ken Jennings would you be conflict… I doubt is a listing on overleveraged her appearance.
No doubt about that last one for you. Where is Rory McAvoy today from 10 cup were you think Roy is today is the live to never join a journal and not divine love with. As soon as the exams is today.
It will give you what you write. Sims is on the live journey, probably on the board with with federal greed and all those guys Greg Norman Wheatley that he would be the guy who stalks the players on the PGA Tour to call them up on behalf of Greg Norman to say you should come like that's what David Sims is doing. Not only has two more slowly does the playing on some sunlight to his work seniors.
I liked her but yeah the live door.
Don't get me started on items you made your choice point alumni meet them impose this vision as the question got go for people is a well. The US government does business with governments ever job of self preservation of nations. This is different.
What if I said if you defend the live tour blood money, no is only one of Kim Jong starts to North Korea back by Chinese woman in a doubles live dormant in any qualms about taking Emily and what's the difference you asked us of the players in the different world where you draw one there; the game Ron with another bank account pending.
It's also not competitive bids, it's exhibition golf think about all the schedules. Most of the political conservatives who say I got no beef with you at there's no free lunch. You gotta earn it. That's what competitions about the winner gets the window. Here is $100 million doesn't matter if you win or lose. It's exhibition golf and you play three rounds.
Think about that.
It defies everything in sports is about know Matt will says look at. I can't deal with communities on meltdowns. I just needed if it's exhibition golf I'll take it. At least he was honest about growing golf. That's what David Sims is doing yeah you're right he's on the board but Roy does really ever make it back to a major what he felt he didn't mind.
In the sequel that we tried it one is to make and then Warners was changing heads of studio on the we had with sequels can be called That the Q and he goes to school and and we couldn't sell out on topsoil. So then I wrote with John normal who wrote during company with Stanford really good player and writer. We wrote a movie, go to school this and then Koster was going to do it but we couldn't. We can make deals with them, but we had a deal two years ago. It all fell apart so comfort the Q school so Costner would've got I had to go back to try and get his tour card again at that I had a store card again about finishing in the top 10 at the open desert invited next year to a couple of things which are not known to church during their right so yes, the character would have to go back and qualify and I hung I want to choose multiple times and hung out.
Don't' see what's up just to see what Lee James was a gift to you also produce try to get started. While think about this crazy man. I would be into a Roy McAvoy prequel is that all the legendary stories about how great he was in my camera young teach Marion and then what happened and they helped out to Kevin play 30 is plenty young guys I know. Then you have to recast get Josh Lucas to do it right management and Yellowstone connection.
I dare not run as those who does a good lover that the got a call from an agency yesterday and from what is important to of saying this to names on the use of the know is I'm gonna meet with them that they mean a lot in the golf nuts as actors. They wanted development as a series and I said all Saddam and hear your idea because Warner Bros. owns the rights to the buy-in is still that area to be mined and that results in Excel tested I abnormal no doubt about it, you will be producing partners.
Of course the people he's inscribed the book to come on now which is it throws the footprint of the church in baseball. The making of bull Durham home runs, bad calls, crazy fights, big swings and a hit must read material from Ron Shelton you are the man. Anytime Ron anytime you know that the best when I come back I the seductiveness.
This got bobble head okay for you okay with me.
Okay one space is a director was very popular couple years ago I got into the Rochester Redwing Hall of Fame.
Okay, I went back there with my life son who hadn't didn't know that part anyway.
Register and I didn't know if it to give me a bobble head and is very moving it about what you have one.
I do actually radiates up on the wall over there and that's part of the reason why you not yet one more segment, but let's take a break. We got Ron Shelton here for one more segment that's all wrap up the shelf on the rich, as it's on the second documented terrestrial radio outfit you told the story about yet a bobble head doll that you had made and whatever I didn't know was made was made in your on your behalf, Rochester, New York. The Rochester Red Wings downplayed my last year and 1/2 and had great fun of fondness for really great team and one all these championships and I was called back there even though I probably made more hits after Rochester Bennett Rogers to fight.
It was great and I went there with my son of my life deleted in because they never see me that part of my fear is that was a long time ago, and that's pretty neat and my son throughout the first. Shea and I signed about 1800 bobble head. It's hard to sign a bottle and I can imagine, so I knew you asked me if I had one made in an and so did they use historic is II was towards the end of my ESPN tenure and I was beginning to feel like may be ESPN wasn't really the place for me long-term which was really freaking me out because it was such a part of my identity and it was like I won the lottery is a 26-year-old to come from Redding California is ABC affiliate to be on SportsCenter at the heyday and the thing that really made me feel that way is that ESPN management made bobble heads of SportsCenter anchors and I wasn't one of the lot and so right, so I thought to myself, you know, writing on the wall how writings on the lock how petty is it a meeting going to management to complain.
Why don't want and you make a bobble head at me like there's no wind there except the just internalized it is just you know having that writing on the wall so when I was hired NFL network and I III reached out to during the difficulty of my negotiations to have this as just asking for advice and Steve Bornstein was the former president of ESPN and then it moved NFL network and you want him hiring me a second time, which shows just how smart of an executive he really is. I told him at the time, Mike. I'm not feeling it. ESPN right now.
He said why and I told him that story and had no idea. I think even that I thought like you can look at me like I'm crazy had no idea that he remembered it, and when I got hired NFL network. He made these bobble heads of me holding up a number one jersey because I was his first-round draft choice of NFL network is only like six of these and he gave me a note saying you know your bobble head worthy to me which is slow like I get emotional. Just even see in this crazy kind you get in that's released smart management by Bornstein to I think somewhere in the markets is given will restart $1 million, or given 100,000 in his own parking space will take the parties. In this things also to is it just reminder the time I had had hair. You know, if you bottle that Harry doesn't come out.
Ron connotes one of those things.
At any rate just wanted to tell that story. Since you asked, thanks for coming on that greatly appreciated. Congrats on this book are you going on a tour of any sort like that or what to do a bunch of stuff starting Tuesday in LA and then I go to New York 25 July. Okay for week of stuff and then I go to Durham for three days to get assigned you to sign books and thinly known down the drill film form screening and ice do book signings all over the place and then a lot of interviews and then Durham, which I requested for three days, which is my favorite part of that.
That is so great. They just love everything about this movie there and I know anytime we talk about a guy see that durables we tweeted there. They just go crazy for his or like a website that people can find out when you're coming into town or anything like that side and I have no social media including websites, nothing yet nothing zero neural school to come to school. I don't have time for love that. Thank you for coming on this on the Chevron.
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