REShow: Vince Gilligan - Hour 3

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Again, there is confirm the rich doesn't show them severe owners that you are you to as well as our terrestrial radio network coast-to-coast resealable for all to see listeners and memos were listening on our podcast version whenever you're done will please because it is your God-given right to do that sort of thing right here on this very busy Monday we say hello to all, everyone out there. We are thrilled to have here in studio once again the very first in studio guests in the history of this program. Chris brought zero days old zero this matter. By 2014 and now he is here on a very busy day in the middle of an incredible stretch just one week after the finale of an incredible television show better call Saul the writer, director and cocreator that show as well as the creator Breaking Bad Vince Gilligan here on the program to see your laws for sure.

Let's get into it here. How did you find the finale. What is the reaction your work. Vince is what it seems. Anecdotally, it seems good. I never look the stuff up just it just gets of the rabbit hole disappear down right.

I feel like what I hear people seemed to like it. So I'm very happy about the people of opinions are years I thought was fantastic and I much assume because you're sitting here upset with you outside of the room as well. How long did you and Peter Gould in the rest of your staff and the rest of your team and the rest of your cocreator Peter Gould and one can wonder how long in advance. Did you know about the finale that you mapped it out how well we are lucky we had about 13 months and the writers were right. I think it's what it was. We have the longest time with overhead is more public as a covert, partly because it takes forever to figure this stuff out. But we didn't know the ending at the beginning of that 13 months we were Not as witness is always so probably a couple months before we wrote that last one we had figured out a couple weeks maybe couple weeks now. All the little details.

I guess it took us takes a while takes a while to figure all the stuff I just couldn't come to give a little heads up and you were kind enough to the back of our back greenroom to give me the green light as well. You consider week is enough of time. To start talking about spoilers.

I guess anybody was watching. Who hasn't seen it yet.

Maybe you want to do. I understand it, they would and then return to this conversation later on because I just thought the ending was perfect because there's ways that either a he would completely get away with it or be he would wind up like Walter White spoiler alert, dead on the floor right but him being incarcerated, and having to pay his debt to society, which he particularly personally worsened because he copped to it himself because I guess he wanted to impress Kim Wexler is only one. I think he wanted to tone. I think there's a certain amount of redemption.

The way we sought is a little bit of Dickens a Christmas Carol. There's a little bit of redemption in their self redemption and I think he wanted to atone for his his guilt that he wanted to basically apologizing very operatic way that wound up spoiler alert that he was going to get seven years in the penitentiary.

Instead, it gets 86 but he seems to be doing okay at the end, these ladies that I would bike is doing the same job he was doing at the Cinnabon it out.

You saw the way the deal was being needed and everything so that's obviously purposeful that you do. That's just it's one of those ironic things that he was a bit of the same job and in the federal plan Colorado that he was doing Cinnabon in Omaha.

Can you walk me through what were some of the other ideas that you had been discarded for the end of the show who shot some goons for the rich.

I know it's like we didn't really talk about everything, but I had some good ones for you for Breaking Bad, but remember that many this time around.

It just felt like he needed to go to prison.

I didn't know Walter White died Jesse Pechman sunset that went to Alaska and hopefully he got away with it. That's again I got away. There's hope Ockham would, but yeah, Jimmy really felt like eating out. He needed to to to go to go to prison because I probably because as a lawyer that felt like the most proper way to the legal aspect of it and I'll get going into the system felt all right, so I don't. I can't really remember any good Christian yeah yeah Vince I was there any thought of having him take the deal.

Do the seven and begun. You know what it felt actually felt such a fun scene of him in front of the FBI and negotiating this I get this. Wait a minute.

I want the ice cream like it was very thought of that being the now because we wanted to prove he could do it. We really wanted to prove he was the best lawyer and and was was able to to to basically you know when and in with this amazing legal talent.

You know, arrayed against him. He was nonetheless able to you know what pull this off that someone see what was would prove to thought the audience and he proved himself he could be all these other guys these heavy hitters at their own legal game.

Then we felt like now he sees Canada is Cadogan. I added know it sounds very you know Judeo-Christian you know whatever edit our morality, whatever, but you know it just felt like he canna had that he had to pay for sense yet I was not that he pointed out that the guy he was going up against the FBI prosecutor had never lost for like I was kind of an important note there is anything to watch this way about Gilligan here on the rich. I wasn't sure. I appreciate you bearing with me as I just lost my voice right there right here on the rich. I can show so you didn't consider killing them off you that there was an idea that you just don't know that anybody wants to see that in our character wallow always told him like a garage as a cockroach and what is accomplished through a cockroach survives and adjusted felt it felt like it was appropriate that he fitting that he lived looks interesting that you bring up Lilo because I think that's one of the many, many brilliant aspects of better call Saul is the characters you created just for the show just for this show and Lilo. Salamanca is one of the I mean that he was just Tony Dalton. The I don't really don't think he was just remarkable in the obviously Kim Wexler you you created Kim and then one of the aspects about better call Saul, that was wondering how you would finish it up was did she exist during the Breaking Bad era like was she on the planet. Did she exist and she did. She she she she actually did, and I thought that was why did you choose those paths for for the can likely kill her off you. We love Lacey.

She is just the sweetest, funniest, most charming person in real life. She such a venture. Such a wonderful actor and she's just fantastic. It would yeah and it was funny.

I would get questions for years on end just man united to kill off Kim Keller often read, go to set the watch and we had no intention to leave it open-ended right yeah yeah nobody saying you know you want to ruin anything for people so we're a little bit that were reported to the point of being a little bit you know a little bit sadistic. Maybe it was just for those who know Breaking Bad and obviously that's most everyone that's watching better call Saul you're wondering how somebody who is so sweet on Kim Wexler and is somebody who whose moral Compass always was found deep within the garbage you know in this world because of the way he felt about her and the way she kind of you know, before she started I guess I guess acting in with him how that guy could be Saul Goodman watching Breaking Bad but as it turns out I mean it kind of torn apart in a way where he might've just thrown himself into the dark side completely is that if they're looking at a very fair very astutely looking at it.

He to us. He became Saul Goodman as a as a sort of half you two to just oh so you won't be with me so you you you know were bad together were bad for the universal bad for all people around. I'll show you bad and it was just the self-defeating weird caricature that he became hardened into this this legal caricature and and that was it took us forever figure that out once we finally figured that out. The question Peter Gould would always ask is a great question. Is he would say at the beginning of the run of the series, he would say what is the problem that becoming Saul Goodman salts and it was a twofold answer. I guess it was. If you build this arm around you if you're this this this legal caricature.

I keep calling them then you don't have any feeling or reenacting a word about things you happy-go-lucky and nothing really matter. So I got an armor and it's also kind of a screw you to the world and and you know when we thought would realize that we realize we see this guy in like this. We want to see him redeem himself and that's that's where the ending comes from real yeah and then what will I shoot the current day black and white.

What you make that decision. We wanted something that we love black and white.

Peter Peter used to teach was a film professor at USC film school and I don't geek were both film geeks and we both love old film ours so black and white just looks good.

Maybe not everybody rural school where I have it and also it was a way of quickly differentiating the past from the present. The past was in color.

Jimmy and then he become Saul Goodman and then the present is is is gene attack attack of it is the character that it becomes that it works in Omaha at this in about right and and just becomes a guy who slips back into who he was slipping Jimmy one more time exactly gets right back into that wanted to get back in like what I guess is the reason why because Kim rejected him on his birthday when he calls him from the payphone might want.

Why do you think he he's barely self-destructive.

I think it's a lot of that is what you just said and he got this image just can't scratch interest in.

I am borrowing nothing wrong with working. I sent about a real life but no, I now know you're not saying I'm second of all the forms like hey what is my job sucks so bad. I'm does right is mad doesn't. But I but he's just this guy who really you know that. What was the old expression then and heat in all the juice is worth the squeeze. He was in it for the he was in it for the reason for the juice I guess is better for the high he got from scamming and and also yet that last bit there, he's just he's angry at the world was angry at himself is angry at her and ultimately his anger at himself and his becomes very self-destructive is think is trying to get caught in the second to last episode, I think.

I guess the last. I mean, and it's interesting how he's trying to get caught in men. He gets caught breaking into a man's house who has cancer and the line he says to one of his accomplices who refused to do that job because the guy had cancer, he does what in a whole guy with cancer can't be in a whole yeah and for all the Breaking Bad fans.

It's just like what alignment it but basically his history with Walter White causes him to have such an animus against this poor guy and that's what causes him to get caught. I mean how do you think about that. I know that I think I know that's a grand question is as and how you think about that is honest and come up with the adolescent friend Absalom alive love the children daughter anyway) and I love the not knowing I'd appreciate it guys and that it's just it's it's it's not the most interesting answer, but the truest answer is, it just takes it takes a village that midnight. I didn't think all the stuff by myself. I after time I'm in the room and everybody else say this. One of them, like yeah I'm a bit behind but it's it's a group effort at it. It takes a whole bunch of us and it takes a lot of time to months and months. Luckily, Sony and AMC gave us that timer or studio in a network and they allowed us because you tobacco I worked on network TV was great. I could work in the X-Files for seven years. I love that job, but you are running for your life.

It's like you know it's like on the loser so I can that I Love Lucy and Lucy have to look for chocolates to assist you. Just you just put out the best you can put out in that very finite time. This this was so luxurious. Avenel was Tampa. And then you just game it out. You say, what if we do this and you think about it. Think about it and then you say two days later sent on the second floor. Because of this you trying to be a chest plate trying to game it out right. 1220 moves in advance. Trouble for me as much of a chess player but did you ever will you ever told by anybody again you've had such an amazing amount of success.

Maybe not by any wanted AMC because the burn was really slow in the very beginning of a series where I I honestly thought it was going to be like a whole bunch of Breaking Bad people right off the bat and it was its own narrative. It was its own show, which is terrific and it was great and you had a said hello and you kept us all the way through all those years but did you ever get anybody say where's Brooke was the Breaking Bad in this thing that ever come across yours is been great to work for. I guess I'm just saying it because you know what you do on TV. But I really were a great bunch of guys that really didn't push it so I've been pushing for the past on shows with right then and it's a better feeling when they let you they let you do your thing minutes but then they the flipside of that is you can't complain afterward if it doesn't work like well, they literally wanted to. Then why did you do it that way. It just felt right to select the way to go in it. You know, and I think a lot of people didn't tune out. I hear again.

Anecdotally, I guess you're right. I hear a lot of people saying I was too slow to start off to slow and I think you just nailed it what it was. It was there wasn't enough Breaking Bad in it from the get-go and we we didn't sit down and and right out of show Bible and say here's what were not that I do when I can. I have Breaking Bad in there looking to make its look just you know this more organic than that. You just sort of sit down you say where's this who is this guy right now he's as well as this hardcharging young want to be mean is a lawyer but is he wants to have success. CCC scrappy is an underdog. You just worth the Screwtape sure takes you and and the chips fall where they may end in this case. Luckily, nobody pushes that hard at that that AMC or Sony to make it go faster. Is it true the first original idea was half-hour comedy yeah we did. We talked about. There was a show in the name was a doctor. Dr. cancer was an animated short time was a really funny show.

Basically comedians come in on talking to a psychiatrist about the problems we thought.

Derivative of that excellent show we are saying. Like like he had made a mental map map map animated but why can it be, you know, people walk in the Saul Goodmans you know iconic office and its we can get a bunch of comics we could get it all these great folks coming in with their legal issue we we literally talk about that for a week or two.

Peter and I really yeah we did with because we sold this thing this is like like people after grandpa and try to get a show so little work that I hate the story and other think I'll blame up but was when Breaking Bad ended we could, we were lucky we could write a will to get, particularly if if you know what we want to do next do with that world and we say gala student medical Saul and nobody sit great.

And then Peter and I once we sign a dominant dotted line with God and what we doing with what is Michelle I remember you. You get your kind of treatments Killian here on the rich doesn't show our first in studio guest. When we first turn the lights on and you just come Chris Brady say we just come from the writers reminder just come from season one right is a writer but across all 30 minute interview turned in the 90s pretty much with what you're doing and so you know I I totally understand why you know you'd be able to bat around some ideas, but clearly I think you landed on the right one than that and that this was that the one character right like did you put in another character that you were thinking of maybe going was always Saul from the very beginning Kirk it was Saul that was it. You know what it was we were really thinking of a spinoff is just it was so much fun. I think the very first time anyone floated the idea is one of her people on the sat and it was probably only it was in Breaking Bad is maybe only an episode or two after Saul had first appeared in my bed and season to Breaking Bad or one of her crew folks want to grips her gaffer's said you know when you guys are doing the Saul Goodman spinoff. You really need it and everybody laughed. We all laughed, but the joke became Planted a seed in our hands. We thought, you know, that would be fun. Spinoff wheat we were really thinking we it wasn't. It wasn't this logistical cannot achieve what we need to do next to spend somebody offered.

We picked we just it cannot naturally move from one to keep the crew together thanking Bob Bob's character just fun to write Typhon you know and and it really kind of sprung from that kind of up you know very relaxed and and and you know, nobody was thinking that far ahead. It was that that that that disorganized beginning. Well, I mean two things which my number one because that allows you to have as many characters from the Breaking Bad world. If you set it when you said it, which is behind that you know you don't back story leading up to the Breaking Bad world and then have some black and white about what happens to him once he now that he is on the run under new identity.

Just brilliant but you could do that and then number two is Bryan Cranston came on the show a few years ago to promote his book life in parts and we talked to him about that. The character Tim Watley. We play a dentist on Seinfeld and the scene where he took a hit of the laughing gas himself before administering it to Jerry and that was an ad lib. that he did suggested to him by a member of the crew similar to what you just said how yes he told that story writing guy yeah so so so I suggest you will be funny if you dentist you take ahead of it yourself is okay I'll do that and and then he said he did that and the whole crew got many looked at the letter and blunting I got letters of like that and he can use the phrase that we use you all the time. Best idea wins. Oh yeah, he uses that are easy.

We use that phrase all the time. It's amazing that that's how better call Saul first got planted in your brain. It is ended. By the way we, the funniest line we ever had a Breaking Bad came from one of our one of her grips, which is what I to meet my favorite favorite that it was an episode call for days out it was it was Walt and Jesse are our cooked to this marathon cook in the RV and now the battery is dead and the larvae is 30 miles from the work there there dying there dehydrating the run out of water.

Yes, and Jesse says come on your scientist.

You gotta figure this out.

We got the spare parts you could build a dune buggy read about a robot or and and and and and and that says I have to get some of the dialogue will wise up saying you do, you gave me the idea and in the original script you gave me the idea were going to build a battery and and why her one of her and we had finished the day we wrapped for the day and and that one is one of the grips that you know would be funny if you said you gave me the idea yourself and Jesse goes a robot away from the said and talk about talk about a group effort. Not only did this wonderful agreement, but this line, but Michelle McClellan, our director of that episode grants that we gotta get that she had not gone literally cannot flat out lied to low to our tour producer said we had a we had an issue we had a hair in the gate. Luckily back and shoot the film and audio now you here in the gate. Oh crap again to do that last one and he did the line.

It's in the episode. My personal favorite line in the whole series best idea with any Cranston said that I forget that and that's the way it should be in us not always that would not mean that every show is that way sometimes, rigid, and sometimes jerk showrunner is not scabby my way and I was sick for you that's like.

That's you are missing out on so much greatness by not listen to to your crew to the people to the people around you there's there's are full of great ideas and best idea should always when I think Vince Gilligan here in the recharges. Let's take a break when we come back here on the YouTube show clip better call Saul from the second to last episode, which you wrote and directed. It's brilliant and will talk a little bit more animal takes in people's phone calls after Vince take software back here in a moment right here in the rich is if you don't know your numbers you don't know your business. That's true in your business is growing fast and even more true when there's a lot of uncertainty. Inflation is running rampant supply chains are clogged in the labor market is tight. What does that mean for margins, well not every business is in the dark. Over 31,000 businesses know their numbers because they use NetSuite by Oracle. The number one cloud financial system. NetSuite gives you visibility and control of your financial planning, budgeting, and of course inventory so you can manage risk get reliable forecasts and improve margins.

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It's also feels kinda good to let it out and efficacy both of that and that both those emotions, and that's a spectacular spectacular very make her do it a second time.

You mentioned that not not ever wanting to kill off Kim's character.

Thank you for that. I don't think we would've been able to handle it but one person who didn't make it out was Howard Hammond. You always have this end in sight for Howard and and maybe hang on thinking about on the at the hands of Lilo was it always good to be like, you know, you guys would be amazing but be amazed how is it you know I got take it is the highest compliment you guys ask questions like that like all and you must have it figured out way in advance the beginning of of it all. Howard Hammond was the bad guy and that was her intention when I'm talking to the beginning of season one as he was the bad guy.

He seem like the obvious choice for bad guy this good looking handsome. You know, pull together. Always everything out you never met her hair out of place and namaste like I was very high bar here. Just the opposite driver you hate this guy and then we realize way limit the bad guy the more interesting bad guys, Chuck McGill, played by the amazing Michael McKeon and have him be the bad guy.

Jimmy's own brother right so you figure this stuff out as you go I guess is the short answer and and when we came up with him and dying, but it felt like if Kim and Jimmy are really sticking it to the Howard there needs to be some consequence, they don't see, that's kind of the way. You cannot do the calculus.

When I did scream out loud as it comes to it was it was I was gonna say, neither I did not see it coming either.

And again I'm just again. You know, read so much of her character doing some bad stuff and bad stuff happening for her to start thinking about it in her head. I'd love to get into her process that really was unbelievable right on the show. I know anybody from your world is welcome here, that's for sure. Vince Gilligan here few more minutes left with the cocreator and writer-director better call Saul let's get into it so you got how many did it look like you got a couple days with Brian Cranston and okay. Did you you only got a couple scenes out of them. I mean, you know, one together in one separate you want it wanted.

You have Aaron Paul connect with Kim was that because you can if you could connected any Diane wanted.

And these are the dots you connected so what you got for me on the family have a great answer is felt good just felt right and we love me and I just love those two and and both of those characters on their individual shows Breaking Bad better call Saul. They were characters we didn't realize when we hired them both respectively for both shows. We didn't realize how important they were to be due to both of their individual series we did know you know told the story many times but majestic paint when we're gonna kill them off at the end of season one and season one was only to be nine episodes Breaking Bad and we're gonna kill them off because I figured dumbly that you know him, he will fulfill his his utility to the plot of one of gotten Walter White into this world of criminality and then once that was done. You don't need them anymore. I was so shortsighted and the course he winds up being integrally important. The crutches back in the same goes for full forays character Kim Wexler Jesus, you, there wouldn't be what I had as much love as many viewers as much ink written about the show. If it were for this character race you just fantastic and and so just seeing those two together. The both number two on the call sheet so to speak is there is outside a song's office sharing smoke yeah sure I feel so bad that night was really torn on our one point that's all for grained courtesy Warner Hamline a wonderful special-effects kindness, but it was miserable is just as miserable as a real thing to shoot and I don't. I measure what it it was it was months ahead of with the florescent script is written because it was the small window we had to get Alan Paul and he was such a trooper. That is just PN down rain all face frame, but skillfully and downright all night. It's cold and he does not smoke.

Nikki use to in real life, but I said and I just got have a reason for you to to be standing there talking as long as you are, because it had the vibe from her rightly so his issues. I spent a lot of time there. Talking with you so you sign divorce. Exact and he's got a look at her up and down I ran you pretty well for which is he was smoking these clove cigarettes and he was such a trooper readily know this until late in the night he he would do the scene we got a great many takes, especially one like me to make people do what one wants and he would go inside and think you might even thrown up yet such a migraine from these awful fake cigarettes and and it was he was such a trooper. I didn't even know it until one of until my ID said do you have to do another with software and that he sees that she's the afflicted this week and then there's the scene where it's Walter Weiss and Jesse pink.

Back together in the yard and its all good men in there and the RVs not starting in just that the play between Jesse and Walter. It was just so delicious to see the to the derision and the anger you know the odd body body aspect of it, just back one more time with the RV not starting what want you blood you decide to utilize that moment with just you know it just is getting only a small window these guys and I just wanted to understand what your choices were getting nice guys back on screen. I think in that case and that episode was written and directed by Thompson house.

I think my one might maybe my oldest friend of the world. Who am still in touch with a regular basis. He and I met at the NYU film school and he just crushed it as he always does right and directed that was a great episode and I think we were thinking you know we need to see how quickly this character of Saul Goodman takes charge of the situation and you know he's on his knees with a gun to his head to schedule back to kill him early, so threatening to enter if they would've done it and then suddenly turn things around and it feels. By the end of saying that you know you guys you two clowns work for me and that felt like the right time to the plant that flag and Haman said that the truth is more complicated axle Goodman bid live in fear of Walter Weiss session 30 and I think everybody on earth. Everybody in that world did but yet it was a time there were Saul, is there counsel Gary who was kind in charge of the operation and saying wants to do it this way. Don't do that you get caught, there wouldn't have been as he says in that last episode better call Saul there wouldn't of been a Heisenberg without me and I think there is some truth to that question. And of course the scene in the finale where Walter White is there with Saul Goodman and there you know on the process of going on the lam, and we all know Walter decides not to do that. Me, that's the way Breaking Bad winds up ending the fact that the question about who Saul Goodman is deep down inside, and Jimmy McGill, and why how he became Saul Goodman and in the question for this entire series was why why was he like this for Walter would like to be given the line to reveal essentially what's going on where were Saul reveals about the slip and Jimmy story and he turns to Mrs. so you've always been like that and I just was blown away on like that you that you guys build up the slow burn to have Walter White deliver that is unbelievable shot to shot that that Peter set up and down below.

He just walks into the frame and delivers that line air. It's so great man, I get goosebumps as I do know it's really fun again. I'm just wondering what did you specifically set this thing up to have Walter White deliver that long when it's all said and done, he reveals the answer at the very end. You know that Peter Peter wrote that line in there and Peter Roden directed that episode and I you know we we plot these things out together as a team of writers because not every detail. Not every night every granule and this and this.

You know is is is a group effort and I don't remember. Maybe we did talk about that in a writers room, but it's just as likely if not more likely. Peter just came up with that one is writing this.

That's the answer you there's no escaping you all what you've always been like this. So I guess before I let you go. Vince is what is next. What can you tell me about what is next. I want to again I better keep the fettle to the metal because I'm not getting any younger and I and I cannot want to.

I love this world of Breaking Bad medical Saul, but I cannot feel like I gotta try something new. I got approved myself on that kind of a one trick pony. So I am. I've got a new project to be it will be of knock on wood kitchen at this week Ashley and if it if it if it goes to be a TV series. It has nothing to do Breaking Bad nothing to do better call Saul and it's not really does not center on antihero.

It centers more on someone who was that's got some issues discuss and you know what got got some rough edges but is essentially trying to be heroic, so I am being a little coy. I don't want to pin you down to something that you don't want to answer, but I do.

I am reading, but is it science fiction and it is to me it's yeah I like Brooke Wildenstein's progeny is that you sex outside of Syria and I would call this this will appear when people watcher deleted little snow since science fiction to me it's more allegorical, but yeah, I'd be safe to say the site okay so then do you think we have seen the last of the Breaking Bad Saul world Vince, you know, never say never idea I I don't have any mean that a scintilla of plans to do anything else with any of any of that world right now as we record this but now if I get my ass handed to me with the command yeah they believe in certain homepage is mortgage free. There are no effective listener attorney at law, I mean she is Lord she's started due doing all the stuff down there now language in their running her bar bar license is not expired. That's the way she's gonna be. I guess going to visit Jimmy for next-day calluses. I mean, it's raising Arizona.

We talked about the present. We get such an embarrassment of riches and companies characters Amanda L.

Michelman trout Gestapo frame be interesting see more what was happening wallow before you know me and say that I'm a pretty cool Olalla prequel the week I can. I think you have everything in that you have and there are many of them Lilo that's cartel. I think you would be all in on that unit. Lilo leading up because you're opening up here and I'm pitching you know Salamanca world obviously deferring world your you can go in any direction that you want right there easily could violating the greenish OTCs so charming. He's such a great Tony Dolman such a good guy – at least so he is.

His smile got all sorts of it would not be worn in real life, but he's a lot of those pearly white bad news, usually for somebody so he was so smart and so confident the way Tony was the play Lilo is because you know we could literally you know that's the character that's so evil so chaotically likes earlier. Most of these are tied to the area, but he was so smart why it's so the reverse of that.

He's just suave like an interesting man in the world to know NEC has no trouble killing people. As we stand times, but it's and he doesn't he doesn't not enjoy it, but he's not cartoonish about he's he's dislike these again I want to have a beer with.

But God forbid you cross that out and don't stiffen with the tap on the isolated keep on asking you that I was only questioning just one.

Lastly, so that the only color in the black and white world was at the end where flame I obviously that's intentional, but what is that signify to you what was the kind of meaning to me and we had a little color and absent before when he's winning when he's looking at himself in the sea that is looking at the laptop screen carob parable meant by another hour) and bring her up, but she's the best, but to me that that's a good, good catch that the little bit of color in the end of the cigarette at the very very last episode. To me that's that's hope that his hope method is necessary to get out of prison. I don't know if they think EPM for 86 years really hopefully not good behavior may be noticed. Which of your hand slid out with the dude who shot Ronald Reagan is out today as I think was out of Saul's got some hope for mother tournaments or answer hand or do you get I think you might get out the window. Yeah so you know keep a happy thought, but when he get out insight to me that's hope. Not necessarily that he'll get out but that these two respect each other again that she respect the always respected that he was.

She respect them that there some love their it's gonna be.

Hopefully they gets visitation going on because I have the highest risk of a tricky but yet to me and by the way, Carol Burnett, God, what it was to work with her. She's she's a fan of the show and that sounds a fan of Breaking Bad I got to Holly and I got to got to know her husband Brian dating back to spend with Miller several years now and then when this character came up the opportunity to use this to have this character I said to Peter and the writers were. Guess I Carol and I said oh my God, could we get a thank goodness. When we did we got her and she is just she made it was a tough shoot and she made everyone on the crew happy despite her very presence was really tough with culvert with Bob Kirkham and his his heart failure rate on the Sabbath and it was you know it earlier in the season and it was just a real slog real hard slog to shoot to set the final season and she just brightened everybody's wife when she showed up all the group chooses one. Well, I mean if I told you when you came in here on our first day in 2014 hate the season your shows in the last damn near 10 years and you're going to get Carol Burnett to figure Saul Goodman, at the very end and be like, well, that's what the incident Carol Burnett figures Saul Goodman that's what happened, Vince. You've always been so generous with your time and again I can't wait to see what you got cooked up next. We are all in about that anytime. Stay in touch, Vince Gilligan everybody check out better call Saul and Breaking Bad all of it if you would just watch. This is the other wants to be apologized but again, it's as fresh as the first to use all things are being your wrap up the showing of 44204 which is the number to dial here on the program. Also later this week. Michael Manley, director of heat.

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TJ tonight Marcel in Brooklyn New York you're here in the rich doesn't show what's up Marcel, my man, the New Yorker happy, which I know I watched the show 2014. You guys are rock tonight the New York Mets and the New York Yankees are white.

But now only made bombers coming together you might be the New York Yankees and the New York Mets are type team. I think being what you think about so I received a call and I appreciate your excitement and you tuning in here.

Unfortunately, your mom totally confused about what is referred to. All I know is that this is a big series. This is this is a big Mac with baseball not only in around the seventh inning yesterday the Yankees are absolutely in the toilet cursor tonight and then to ground the next. So this was happening in itself is that this was happening. The Mets are treating this series like the Yankees and and again like I said, Derek Cole got so upset over the week and I don't blame I don't blame.

There's not a lot of run support, and so they the Yankees had a make that will Derek automate that one run stand up and it looked like he had no hit stuff and then gave up four runs walking people give up big hits in the Mets look like the World Series team of New York to temper my ex brother you should just go with it. Now I can send insurers underground against a team it's get you know I heard Michael K told the story the nonstory gave a stat that the Yankees over the previous 10 games average 1.9 runs per game and was a batting average of 174.

The last time Yankees had a 10 game stretch with numbers that bad in those categories was 1914. That's how bad the Yankees have been playing lately, and now come insurers underground as we know an outside line sign for one run each of the next two nights. Right now, well, you probably will need to Instagram because for some admits cannot score runs with this man on the mound.

It's on sale back in the day like good and sometimes I said that.

But this guess what man, yet the better team right now, that's for sure, that's for sure what the big games tonight for big game tonight.

I mean it's it's a pretty leader game for you then for us but I want to thank everybody for tuning in right here in the rich doesn't show on the radio or back here on YouTube tomorrow YouTube.com/Rich Aja, Thomas Q Jones will be in studio. We will see you all at that point John, but were still here on our YouTube screen. Thank you play the music is that we do we do radio settings play on the line. I know I do want to say something here. I don't say something here and I don't know how much how long this is going to last. But as you know we went away for a covert you know for a while and just were we did some shows on our resume for couple we just simply say on television outlets. So all the resumes and saw all that stuff and I was genuinely concerned that the sports world would go away from premium coverage or the regular coverage that you would normally assume for a broadcaster for show would now be considered premium right and so everyone would start doing things on the cheap, or doing things on the zoom and I saw just last week, and as of this current statement right now it is happening that the Portland Trl., Blazers are to keep Kevin Calabro and the rest of their top-notch crew off the road calling games road games from their studio in and it's just like was Paul Allen not the richest man in the day. What's up with that decision. The trailblazers are just in this day and age now, not send their crew on the road, which by the way, is exactly where all crews. All announcers get their best stuff and they also know what's going on with the team because they're on the road with the main everybody bonds together as a unit on the team as well as those who cover the team and those who cover the team get a lot of respect from the players because they are also going on the road to competent on the road. Also, so trailblazers you are be considered a general major franchise in this world where everybody's looking at Damien Lillard wonder when he's gonna tap out on you and he says I am here for you and I'm here for Portland. I want to win here.

We do want TV and the radio crew. What are they doing like to be a delay as well. Right now you are not there, you're not and it's totally fine if you if it's during the pandemic and everyone was operating on an optional is not operating as we there is not on this is can be no. I got the announcing to be on site.

I get that you both, but the crew doesn't know yet I understand I understand I want talking about the announcers and those that need to be there as part of the announcers.

Of course, of course, you know, and so this is the NB this 30 franchises in the NBA in the Portland Trl., Blazers are one of them and coast-to-coast. They are getting the personally I feel raw deal that they can't build a winner.

There the fans are so diehard for this team and Calabro is one of the best play-by-play guys ever lucky to have him. I will be reverse this for the real story behind some of wrestling's biggest moments something to wrestle with Bruce Prichard and Conrad Thompson to all, the opponents matzoh Ms. Natalie in a conversation where is Andre Wallace and Andre was number one is not even going back before you know Holcombe was a baby face Holt and Andres were able to go in headline in the New Orleans Superdome at Shea Stadium in Japan wherever they went. That was an attraction something to wrestle with Bruce Prichard listen wherever you get your podcasts