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REShow: Thomas Q. Jones - Hour 3

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August 23, 2022 3:45 pm

REShow: Thomas Q. Jones - Hour 3

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August 23, 2022 3:45 pm

Rich reacts to the Brooklyn Nets’ refusal to deal Kevin Durant after his trade demand in June and the guys debate if the Clippers or Lakers are a better bet to win the NBA title, offers up some advice for whomever buys the Los Angeles Angels after owner Arte Moreno announced the team is up for sale (which made Hall of Famer Rod Carew VERY happy), and makes a plea for future Hall of Famer Albert Pujols not to call it a career after this season. 

NFL RB-turned-actor Thomas Q. Jones joins Rich in-studio to discuss the new season of his Bounce TV show ‘Johnson,’ says if NFL coaches or TV network executives are bigger liars, says what advice he has for Seahawks WR DK Metcalf as he dips his toes in the acting waters, says why it’s difficult for running backs to have long careers especially in today’s NFL, and reveals that time at the Pro Bowl when he had a very awkward moment with Jay Cutler.

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But the only one part of the operation were 10,000 for rushing out the National Football League's Thomas Q Jones good to see you sir you for having me how enjoyment of a man on his beloved and this is it's incredible. It's been an incredible transition in the vineyard itself before is especially when I first started taking this very seriously acting in Hollywood was 2014 and from that time until I think the second time I was here was when I was extra cash for the cage and I had my own film about a man it was out and so now you know I'm on TV series executive producer on them. When the show runners as well as with lead actors just really grown a lot, is inaccurate going to let his producer a lot more experience that are fortunate enough to work is really great environments messing incredible actors and also it's pretty, pretty influential projects and now I'm in the space will create my own content in no just as the first show at the box than a season to also Thomas Q Jones well done. Besides that, that's not easy but good old anyone on the air. And then getting a second season as well. That is not simple days is tough because no matter how good your content is in your mind you know it still has to be the good quality to the viewers is still a numbers game. Like the NFL is still a numbers game. So our viewership in season one was incredible. Broke a lot of records advanced TV. That's the thing that worked at the show is on in season one endowment like a 60s into is been even better the responses. The feedback is been incredible numbers continue continually going up every week so it's been incredible journey as a showrunner. I like the fact that I'm in a position of not a silly control but am able to be behind the scenes in and in use a lot of the qualities and characteristics that exist in NFL player now as a leader you know we show business the lives of seamless transition for me and being a showrunner and inextricably Simone shows like drink. So, since you're bringing up football and entertainment and making TV shows together on the porch on the spot with this question. Jones okay.

Who can you tell is lying to you the most football coach or television executive.

This action pretty easy? Oh, television executive Leslie circle right renewing the circle back with their own version of the show is not a great idea.

We love it.

But please, just you know why I just want to talk to everyone will circle back you circling back to your left you some time circling back these with your show idea just with you.

I would say television creatively more than a football coach football coach.

Lied to you because if he's not keeping it 100% honest with you he's going up there to lose his job to continue to mess up. Yes, so his job is on the line just like yours is your production determines is livelihoods. So conversely lying to you is what helps keep a television executive infill job. Yes yeah right yeah we work since you conceptually insist like I could be truthful that they not be out of a job right color obsolete because sometimes if it's someone of influence. You can't tell them that the show sucks and that the light in the deep job he knows that my gosh, I will change the subject is I don't want to get in trouble. Next time you walk in the picture I saw what you said Thomas Q Jones here on the recharge and show do you know where you are on the all-time rushing string are your I think I'm winning six which we use our 26 okay do you know who's right in front of you and was right behind you on that list. I think think Tiki Barber's right behind that is correct by him out by about 150 yards okay and this other individuals in front of you by 16 yards. These gentlemen guessing where he is on the all-time list.

See, I do know that I know Ricky Waters in East to all why, but I just saw him.

It brought Young's whole thing overcame okay, incredible back to big vanities in the Notre Dame.

He's a pretty big too, like nodding when I saw him I forgot just how yes I want to review has like his own training company. Something like that on your social 20 might is not Ricky it might be tomorrow.

It is all Lewis is a low yeah it is exactly that you get 10,000 rushing yards is no joke. As a matter fact only 31 people of played football in the NFL with that many yards.

That's it and you're one of a man you know we so crazy. I retired 10 years ago 10 years has been guiding 12 malaise game right and because I'm just so engulfed in the business in creating my own content yes and acting in and everything that comes with that. I'm really remove far removed from the NFL only remember those names was because the last time I checked, which was probably a few years ago.

Those were the guys that were 150 was one of us, but behind me try calling Ricky workable spots and so that see the only thing that the only way our members from a few years ago, but it hasn't changed very much as America's number just looking. There's not a single with Adrian Peterson now expected to play the shirt. There is not a single active player in the top 50 all-time rushing artless. Not a single one I Mark Ingram is 54 and Zeke is 58.

I cannot like I got a look up that with NFL network research to find out the last time in NFL season kicked off without a single active player in the top 50 on the rushing list all-time rushing list. That's probably been a minute since I don't know, like I guess it when I retired I was try to figure out how to know I was doing my time right is me know my entire career was nicely chasing the rushing record, but you're consistently patting your stats and in you know I'm thinking of thousand seasons. That's my goal every new year resolution is another thousand or season, and so you don't even really think about yards or the stats until we are further removed from the game and then you realize like why 2000 yards or so significant because it's not just the charges. It's what you have to do to get that many yards is playing hurt, it's playing well when you're losing you know I mean I think I maybe three seasons where we once these were foreign 12.

Another season we were five and 11 and I still have over thousand yards and also mentally how you come back after five game stretch and still be motivated to run for over hundred yards RC paycheck.

But no, I don't knowing that there's a business decision for you to make a knothole if right if if the whole is open value.

Right now he just comes down to will and desire and passion for the game in and that's why I respect anyone obviously make it pleasing NFL but as a running back know that that milestone 2000 yards, says a lot more than just the actual yards.

He says a lot about you as a player in his first uninstalls means the time schedule during the recharge longevity gel and and it seems now that in the NFL getting that. I guess second contract is a running back is a significant achievement.

The third is pretty much a rarity getting that third contract paid to the way that you should be paid you because the concept that your best years are now behind you in the NFL. Is it really pay you for past performance, unless you're somebody particularly quarterbacking right now. Right now I know who Becky is that you got. You gotta take that into the equation to because all these young kids coming to college and the college offenses or are you know now married to professional offenses and vice versa. Right. It seems like that's that's what's happening is it's hard it's hard for running back to get even one punch right now how would you you get my initial contract with the Cardinals signed a deal with Phoenix Cardinals and you got to Arizona and okay still you in Phoenix by locating zoning got in 2000, and gain should Chicago bear's son in my second deal and then I was straight to the Jets this on my third deal to him was released by the Jensen and assigned to you do with the chief so during that time. Arena baguette for deals potentially and that was to get 10,000 yards of your yeah but but I think what would help me was early morning Arizona. I didn't have as many carries. So there was and is much more into normal body. So by the time I end up in Chicago I think is your five was just kind of coming to my home and in starting to get in 02 5300 carries a year and also insecure my body so by the time I ended up in New York. I think I was 29. Obviously, I was supposed to be done, but I continued to get better.

I think in 2007 I had 1100 yards 2008 at 1300 was in. It was a start in the pro old 2009 at 1400 and is weird thing like a couple of articles about how his keys to his numbers going up with his age versus going backwards.

I felt like honestly could have had more and I think I'm stating the book that last year I would do with the office of London. We had in the chemistry we had with that with the office of think I might've been able to pull off in 1415. The school who was at the time Mr. Jones here in the recharge of who's in the probe on your success… And why I mean I was at the old Iolani hotel as well.

The day where, when and what where everybody stayed in the same hotel.

My sister was right next door in the New Year's right in your mind that you have to move. You have given me enough to move within the next year in Orlando so I was happy that I was able to play there.

One of the last years. Just as nostalgia been a wide approval that you think Chris Johnson think crisply, to get an ankle injury Marcia Lynch at the alternate those was the Marchand Leon Washington from the genuine yearly on both her and the probe will stay near the other.

So, now how big was your family that you had a bright all I ended up I ended up having a party in Hawaii ended up flying about 50 people. Yeah, let's do something about the overall back in the day is that you know for the first three runaround Ronnie Brown with Ronnie Brown was going to sit in the back of the day. You know you for so the first three quarters there wasn't a lot of action in the fourth quarter. Everybody's everyone, does the math about how much of the difference it is to win lose this game and how much money you've spent on bringing your family and you write it out there and using the methods and ways we did this, the sick and breaking at a big party over the air. I had Angie Martinez is Mama music labels will have musically wild and unit building slightly good friends with with the logic Jake who Angie Martinez. She hosted the event of all the guys over the provost came running a lot of fun and I was. That was a time that I wanted all my family and friends are people's souls worth it, but the first three quarters, I decided approval.

There was at one point I was talking about family on the sidelines in the fourth quarter of said energy shifted in a when it's in playoff mode is Gazan light competing at the last like eight minutes of the fourth quarter will I think we lost pain was the appointment he was a quarterback.

It's almost like honey provost was at the let you know the only one in your room number. If anybody did you know because you know what happens there back in the day they put their S that's odd. I believe Shawn Merriman once got like a $20,000 tent was happy to meet a specific trauma room yet when the one the aroma made it. Sean Payton was busted stones in the in the broke broke the huddle of an NFC practice with Romo's remember that ask you Ali I could definitely see that happening on the that this is the habit of being a rookie year and I was the seventh overall pick. So I had asked inland of the waste someways them you had to buy breakfast all that stuff so I had a tab for the entire season breakfast so no definitely breakfast 10 years.

Breakfast with a Spartan filet mignon's on anyone similar state connects those enzymes in Thursday night running back dinners so I had a tab pretty much have we have every every Monday, Tuesday and Thursday any dividends in one yes logically it sounds like the Thomas Q Jones here on the Rich Eisen shogunate RJ Cutler the other.

If the quarterback Jay Cutler was a quarterback Peyton Manning DHA was. He was a quarterback. This will remember that I think I sat next to Jay on the on the bus going to practice one day and is one of those awkward bus rides me just sitting there like executing and say anything like I expected some risotto. You know what I thought that we would might have come since quarterback when Beckman think the company said lowest is another baby was only focused on the practices of the loan, but this hour that's our member Jay Cutler was on the team. Brett Favre made it here.

Brett was written later reading Plato.

Okay that was that was the Brit Gypsies yeah stick, you make the provost that season and Rich looking at Thomas's stats. She hits $3000 earlier is hundred yards rushing 20 touchdowns service 13 and 14 touchdowns back in the backseat of my money for projects mandatory housing that was incredible to my career because I finally felt like I was in a place where only was was, not initially want to get a difficult one to Chicago boy and I felt like a veteran I was allowed to like lead without any you know of repercussions or anything after that. Yeah, you are going to be the engine year anyways and like I had to know constantly feel like there was someone behind me in an NFC that's part of the NFL's… Competition and it's great you makes you better, but I think there I felt like Eddie's like okay is this this is my show. No, I think this was a performance of child and get all the way to the provost so you can have no conversation with Jake as he was focused a dog to get that to get access and skip Mr. Jones here in the Rich Eisen show, so we had TK Metcalf on this program just was at last week, two weeks ago last request. He said he's taking acting lessons on all things, that greatest what he's doing during his playing time is great. What advice would you have for DK Mike somebody who's made a successful leap from the sport to entertainment. We always say you take a series is not is not an easy transition for an athlete that's that's a standout athlete and other there a lot of athletes that have transition in and mediate in Hollywood entertainment. But if you have a bigger name the bigger brain.

It's a little harder because people sometimes only see you is that you know there's a lot of guys are actors and no one knew that the employee football today.

Mention it was me. They know a plate so there assuming I'm not taking a serious or there assuming that I'm making a cameo appearance so that when those are some of the struggles only through the beginning were were just making sure people know norm series and that's why I edit my middle initial to my stationing to kind of reinvent myself from storms football player comes Q Jones the actor and it worked because a lot of times when I would I would be on the show, people would know that I was Thomas Jones, the former football player they thought time schedules as it was an electric so by the time he realized the letters. The difference like different is after they saw me perform like wise a good actor S guys pretty good actor and then do if you know this Tom's Jones widgets what is too late. You already know what I'm doing to take any series versus all this, Tom's Jones. It always make a cameo and now you know a respected actor of work, a lot of projects great actors the last project.

It will just the season finale was it was it was last week was P Valley film stars really really incredible show and I look like there will because I'm able to have this southern accent have goatee thing playing this kind of like menacing street guy but you know he's got good intentions, so it allows me to show my range because you know how I'm man of actors, fan of like real acting.

I was acting class for four years straight two different after studios six hours a week so the advice out have froufrou fate decays to actually take a series in classes in understanding you want to earn the respect of the actors that's what I had to do it. Also, when I moved us and how my going to psychologically make myself care about acting because any moment I can just go home. I don't need this to pay my bills is not like I'm know this is much was my dream so when I moved to LA to bring the car on Marina studio apartment is mama Mike.

How do I think like an aspiring hungry actor have to become that if I'm going achieve or not will not achieve what they're trying to achieve. But how selected, so I didn't move in Beverly Hills a little small apartment in Hollywood.

MacArthur had to walk everywhere. I don't.

I had to re-invent the struggle as well and it paid off because people started to respect meeting seen walking in Hollywood, like the stomach shows what is actually walking around looking like but they didn't know was really Thomas Q Jones was walk will. Will some people didn't even know that I played football is hot that's great that's your goal is because they sold me within didn't expect me to be hustling and grinding with them and and earn their respect and and so that's why I think having to make some progress in in eight years as it is an actor and now producer because some know I've always been a humble person but my humility allowed people to respect me. It seemed like them and not see them as Thomas shows 10,000 yard ratio played the NFL 12 years that hoping that help me a lot so DJ I would definitely deftly take a series getting classes on set deftly sounds serious, but if you take your route is going after really work hard at re-creating the struggle because just under $70 million contract so there's that. But it sounded real serious about demigods. I mean like I sounded like easy takes time to do it and he really wants to do it. He had like a little cameo in a in a movie playing in the believer softball coach right in the Netflix filaments recently out and I asked him what he wanted to do.

Like if you get Wade wanted to be in a buddy comedy with Kevin Hart. Here is what is only will a meeting if the thing about coming from the NFL. On the night you play with with the case father Terrence Metcalf in Chicago to play with his father years ago.

Great, great guy. I remember seeing TK around. Did you know that in August 2004, 2005 okay, sure.

But no, I mean in regards to like just me being able to like get people to take me seriously. You know it.

It really it really was a challenge because when people see DK McAfee C Thomas shows the unlikely think you can only do one thing and no matter what you do they go to see you as that. Especially if you've typecast and so my team management we refocus on certain roles that give me an opportunity to play specific characters, things aren't what you expect all the time. No Johnson's Greg is on playing the father this going through a custody battle with you soon on some marital issues with his wife Johnson. By the way is a show about four men living in Atlanta were our best friends would be best. Francis will be children, but we just haven't had the same lesson Johnson and is told from the black male POV and it's literally showing black men and of more positive influential light as opposed to kind of how were usually shown in the media, which is noble sleep most of time negative in all cultures have the positive and negative stereotypes. A lot of times you know like men are shown more negative light. So create initial digital radio producer partner and I wanted to produce a show that showed every day, honest, ambitious black man is emotionally intelligent. That's chasing his dream sisters dealing with life's conflicts like everyone else, civic entertainers and executive producer of the shows will and Eric roamed their partners in the company Burnaby entertainment in my company matching productions and a she's company would we partnered with LCV so if that's what this shows about but that character gave me a chance to be an everyday day and not Thomas Jones, the football player but the conversations are what everyday dads go through the conversations, I would a man going through a custody battle going through medical marital woes with his wife. That's what they talk about. So naturally you will see me in a role and you'll see Ms. Thomas Jones you see me as a father.

This fighting for his marriage, fighting force so so the more grounded you can be and the more specific you can be as an actor coming from the NFL, like me, your TK. It helps you because regards perspective is an act, but will pass this along to DK Metcalf. That's for darkness and all the best man here and also real quick. I would say this acting. It started off as something to do because I was really struggling to figure out what is going to next and it did. It became therapy might not my acting coach Fran Sterner is one of the most influential people in my life. He he showed me how to take all of the trauma and all of the things in my life and to compartmentalize those motions and put them into the characters and that became therapeutic as in football to show vulnerability, you can't show weakness psychically in your consciously taught don't get be don't get beat. Don't be weak.

Don't be vulnerable. Don't show vulnerability, and then that becomes a part of legal you are and it takes a little bit of humanity away from you on which is just not is not realistically database the NFL is a very small percentage of people and environments very unique way in the world. Everyone has feelings they have emotions regardless of what you may want where you are but I was always bobbling those things up and because friends allow me there was technique and a bunch of Chubb techniques is to put those motions in my characters.

I was able to find therapy and each different character that played based off the emotions that that that the character called for in the same so I gave became therapeutic for me so I would say any football player to retire even if you want to become like a Hollywood actor will be good to maybe take some improv classes some acting classes just to help you kind of come back to humanity from proclaiming NFL fascinating management for you to again be so successful in the NFL where you just described having to borrow your feelings. And now you're entering a profession where you need to utilize them in on bottom and uncork them on demand pretty much day for your benefit in a profession where you're typecast because of how successful you were in the previous one, which is so short that you required to find out something else to do right that you're successful at it is amazing that right. Next, I send my congratulations as always to you. They on everything and things are coming on here mount base to having Thomas Q Jones is show Johnson that he acts in and out as the coexecutive producer for Sunday nights 8 PM Eastern on down, Stevie encores, the next a streaming on brown sugar. We welcome here anytime soon. Thank you. Going to see Thomas Q Jones Thomas Jones together on the rich eyes and sure about the normal that back here on the terrestrial radio network 844204 which number dog reach out right there with Thomas Q Jones Callow invented chrome soft to be the best tour ball.

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We are here for Aarti Marino who is mulling a sale of the Angels and I think you need your help.

As I said earlier, is a lot Angels fans an apology like don't let the door hit you on the you know what. On the way out. Aarti even though he spent a lot of money not a lot of wins and apparently some alienation. Here's one Angel fan happy to see it. It seemed go.

His name is Rod Carew oh, he retweeted the Angels a press release about Marino thinking of selling the team well this is happy news. I have renewed hope that my relationship with the Angels organization can be fully restored to what was more of a sweet human being on planet Earth who is more of a gentle, sweet human being on planet Earth and Rod Carew.

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