Best of Broadcast: Jewish Traditions About a Suffering Messiah

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I was several hours at the police precinct today and I'll tell you what happened is below should be praying for the trip. Thank you. I said it first couple of days.

I was going to be doing something and I couldn't talk about them publicly because they involved reaching out to very religious Jews perfectly legal. Everything we were doing, but you want to do it quietly so today I had a team.

There were some friends of mine that are living in Israel from Israeli others and my producer Matt, my sister-in-law Bobby and we were on the streets of Jerusalem and a fairly religious area, but mixed lots of other people not limited and we were asking people to do to me.

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Got to be and wanted to explain what they believed electronic condo bridges try to see if you have some ground, and explain what you believe and know you are you hearing that some of them think evil man. He worked miracles by divination and stuff like that and then they think is responsible for Auschwitz, the Holocaust, so it is important for Christians to hear those things anyway. What happened was we hear people's admission on admission to missionary missionary and I was I was wearing a yarmulke deposit use of houses identifying as you but there like you try to deceive us for. I'm telling you, I have people even say hi to me that knew me from Internet stuff and not get recognized on Jerusalem when I get recognize the city where I live. So anyhow, it starts to get a little disruptive in the coworkers by Frenchman should really be getting a taxi because he could love your wealthier select staying this guy starts early missionary missionary and following us in the news ultra-Orthodox Jesus name that we got a video coming up shortly will be able to research surrounding the and outnumber walking the public square and on being surrounded by these guys in young missionaries or deceivers and I said hey how are the student I dress like a traditional judo. I have a long beard do I have my Spanish mission I said everyone knows that the Internet I said, I do believe in Jesus is not illegal here. So now talking to the secular trend secular Israelis is that the legal here you are you allowed to believing things here and so it is my motto is pretty weak that much more fluent biblical Hebrew bunching some stuff in a modest increase of one guy like you like talking about but you tromped dropdead Israelis they want to talk about trout child made America great again make his complaint again. He's a man.

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Talk is try to reach this stage you get angry limited technical this guy had another phone call with all all yeah so finally after hours. Finally after hours. The investigator shows up and at this point I absolutely cannot fill my phone and your pocket. So at this point is 157 displeased with this what you talking only to be arrested handing out business by finding there was a fight in the bracelets are going to massively open enough so that the guy investigator envelope. Take 1/2 hour long. Think of what I'm doing or explaining a greater showing effect on bone effect on leader and we represent Louisville at a conference know and all is that the guys said that the only so you shall go, and in fact it may be on my hangout point every body I don't like cattle aspect of JFK are brown on YouTube how to subscribe over there right now everybody listening and watching. Go to YouTube asked Dr. Brown JFK D or brown on YouTube and subscribe if you know, subscribe, click guy because in another couple of minutes you're gonna get to see a little bit of what happened, including one ultra-Orthodox Jewish man and he shouts out and he doesn't believe it. You sure that he says is for common ground. I was evil by the Christian on your and W Bush started worshiping idols that have a look at it so I thought you talk the talk that always talk about God. He wants to honor God for God so on.

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Thank you for my line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown minor fire now by calling 866-34-TRUTH here again is Dr. Michael Brown. I music 866-34-TRUTH you got Jewish related questions we've got answers for you today. There are very interesting traditions of Judaism about the suffering Messiah. Most Jews are familiar with the traditions of a victorious Messiah Messiah who rule and reign, the Messiah, that you should pray for the daily basis he will come and establish his kingdom on the earth. And that's beautiful and wonderful and we too long to see that we understand that's what Jesus is sure will do what he returns in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who don't know God at the same time Judaism actually does have a lot to say about the suffering Messiah. Some of the traditions referred to the Messiah meeting the Messiah son of David, but some of the traditions also refer to another messianic figure in traditional Judaism called Messiah son of Joseph, and he cannot familiar with this I've alluded to many times in the year in Jewish tradition and and I think you be Scripture focuses on the Bible but in Jewish tradition, he fights the wars of the Lord and then in the last great war is cut down in battle and dies and the size of David raises him from the dead. Now here's what's really interesting. There are traditions about the suffering Messiah in the tallest in traditional Jewish sources limit Messiah son of David and one of the most famous talks about the Messiah, sitting by the gates of Rome so this is after the time of Jesus, but within a few hundred years okay and the roads were not talk about hundred years ago we talk about something 1800 years ago and the Messiah is sitting outside the gates of Rome and when when a rabbis is asked how was he going to recognize him as he sitting among the lepers, those with severe skin disease again. Traditional talked about the year as well.

Many times that that whereas the others are changing their wounds there changing their bandages, etc. that cover their wounds so that they take all the bandages off and then they put new bandages on that the Messiah just takes off one bandage at a time just in case his release modes just in case it could be time for redemption and but notice that he's suffering not know why is this it would make sense that Judaism has traditions about the suffering Messiah because the Jewish people. We been suffering for history we suffered in exile. We been outcast so sure the Messiah is one of us there other Jewish traditions that depict the Messiah sitting in heaven carrying the pains of Israel and if he did not carry Israel's pains. Israel could not endure fascinating traditions found in Judaism and am going to share some of them with you in a little while whole books have been written on the suffering Messiah in Jewish tradition. All right, let me just look here and see here so Walter here on Facebook when you say that his name is Joshua, can you give me evidence for this. The Hebrew and that the Hebrew Bible, the Hebrew text that we have vocalized call him the issue in the lives of same name Yehoshua Joshua in short form issue occurs 27 times in the Hebrew Bible for about five different people then we know that in Greek comes out is Jesus which would also presume that a sound that the billing issue that we know the Syriac ancient Aramaic translation has the equivalent that would also give us "a".

Hence yes you so please someone give me textual linguistic evidence that the name is Joshua I don't to final written something no evidence for exhibit the yacht element has to be there no in names it gets shortened and changed in many different ways of there is a questionnaire from Josh house.

Daniel called righteous in Ezekiel 1414 if you didn't have a temple to do sacrifices or Yeshua to die for him of what ever God had revealed to the people of Israel. If people believe that and acted on his word. There were called righteous.

What about Abraham. He lived before there was a temple right before there was a formal temple with formal sacrifices for atonement ordained under the law by God, but he tells us that he was justified by faith. So those who believe what God has spoken and promised and then act in obedience to that are declared righteous. Galatians 3 says that Abraham had the gospel preached to him was the gospel through you receive the whole world will be blessed so that is how we see the gospel being preached the gospel being believed the gossiping act on even though it was only in seed form Sarah ass X is 2122 about injuring a pregnant woman raw sponsors. The penalty shall be life or life had been Ezra says the injury does not apply to her fetus baby foods not considered to be alive until he comes forth into the air of the world is really fine for the pregnant woman skilled with the purse would betroth with tumors, not just one. Of surprise, when I read this and wanted to know your thoughts on this is Sarah, thanks for that literate question rush from rubbish little bit in the year and then Ibn Ezra Abraham Ibn Ezra.

These were great medieval biblical commentators in Judaism and there is debate even among Christian scholars and translators. How we render Genesis 2122. The question is so two-minute fighting in the pregnant woman gets hit and doesn't say that CMIS carries or doesn't say that there is no harm to the baby. One understanding is that there's no harm to the baby. Then there is just a fine of the other and if the baby dies, then the man that the woman struck the woman also dies. That's one way of understanding the text the way of understanding the text is if so happens to the baby. Then there's a fine for that. I believe the best case can be made to say that if the woman miscarry thing that is considered murder and is therefore life for life.

But there is dispute about the Hebrew text 866-34-TRUTH okay I take some calls now listening on radio totally normal broadcast watch on Facebook. You'll hear sounds from moment. I'll fill you in on what the cause about animal answer your questions 866-34-TRUTH over the Rhine in Miami, Florida hey mind, welcome to line fire brown, I have a question, because I hear a lot of they tried to undermanned, undermine and be by saying that the torment be In my vision. People go as far to call Christianity paging by saying you know things like how can the New Testament be written in Greek because they were Hebrew and different things like that. I wanted to get your take on things because you not been airing very often now you know about the torrent key. Then incident you should use distributional and things like that.so Ryan's question your questions a few different things but some people saying that all Christians must follow the Torah, some saying that you cannot use the name Jesus. Something that the New Testament is we have is pagan and Christian as pagan cousins. This was written in Greek. Okay number one the purpose of Messiah coming into the world is not just to save the Jewish people, but to save the world. God so loved the world in Greek was the language to communicate and if you wanted to reach the whole world. So because of God's heart to reach the whole world and Messiah coming, not just for the Jewish people before the world the way to reach the world was by writing in Greek that some parts of the New Testament may originally have written been written in Hebrew, Aramaic.

Certainly the sayings of Jesus in Aramaic and were Hebrew would have been passed on to others that spoke Aramaic crystal Hebrew or have it in writing and that way, but the New Testament as written, was written in Greek, because God's heart was to reach the nations right that someone number two.

From the first moment, God wanted to people to be able to relate to Jesus. Yeshua in their own language.

All right, so if if I'm talking to a Jewish person in America about Yeshua than a little talking about. If I think about Jesus then understand now I can clear their misconceptions about Jesus by saying he's Yeshua is a rabbi, etc. he's is Julie's the most influence of you who ever lived.

It's get away from their misconceptions really open up the truth of Scripture there okay so that's that's number one in terms of understanding who is related to Maria. So God wanted that to be the case when I go to Italy little budget to see if I think about you sure that's a clue that Jesus if I'm in Latin America. Okay that's how they can relate to and understand minutes on Jesus as a Jew, and so on we go from there right now as as far as the idea that Gentile Christians are obligated to to observe the Torah, the whole books of the New Testament addressing that misconception. Like the book of Galatians and I'm I'm quite aware. Trust me, I've been at this for decades.

I'm quite aware that people try to bring arguments know that the Taurus obligatory rental. It simply does not work and I do not know.

I do not know a single father of Jesus on the planet today who was living by every word of the written Torah and if and those that say hey I was the temple standards, we can go and offer sacrifices they have really missed a major point the fundamental point of our salvation in terms of why the Messiah came and died and why we don't need those blood sacrifices anymore.

Yeshua does not abolish the Torah, but he fulfills it by fulfilling it. He makes many things that were once needed, not needed anymore because he has brought it to its full meaning not only some of the New Testament is quite emphatic on this that it does not require Gentile Christians to observe all the Torah is emphatic on this very strong, very clear. Those that put this emphasis in the wrong place end up often really in a deceived place in the deceived state and it's very unfortunate and in fact I only get to a call center. If you can stay there. I will get to call about why some actually embrace Judaism and reject Jesus. It's because they allow themselves to be deceived away from the fundamental route the substance of our life in God is found in the Messiah. We become secondary to other things.

You watch out backsliding said said will be right back. His friends will be taking calls today. Sit back and enjoy this prerecorded show learning plan and by the Expo line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown your voice and more cultural and spiritual revolution. Here again is Dr. Michael Brown was there is a hearing on the far I'm coming your way life from right outside of San Diego, one of the more beautiful parts of the country. Thanks much for joining us. 86634.

Truth is a number to call. I want to answer a bunch of questions that were posted on Twitter and only don't take questions on social media during the show, but I open the door for this and we've we've got some really good questions here, so let's just see me looked down at a few questions that have come in in the last few minutes I John asked if I ever read works from the Jewish Catholic apologist David Goldstein know I haven't but I have to have to look him up. What's my answer to those who would deny the blood connection of the Ashkenazi Jews to the first century inhabitants of Israel.

Just look at the best historical studies get online get past the myth of the conversion of the Cozaar is that that's really Ashkenazi come from the best studies and you will see that there is a strong case that can be made. The traces back Ashkenazi Jews back to the original Israelites. Obviously some intermarriage along the way these apparent people marrying into of the Jewish people just like Ruth did in ancient Israel, also good strong arguments for I am 90% Ashkenazi, 10% Sephardi Jew… Look at some other questions here are some other Jewish questions posted on whether how I reconcile point Galatians. Other places seem to say that Christ fulfilled the promise to Abraham in the idea that Israel still has a special covenant on auto see any contradiction in any of his statements whatsoever. Not all Messiah is the promise deceived and Paul emphasizes that planning Galatians 3, but he also says that the law which comes after the promise cannot annul the promise and he makes clear in Romans the 11th chapter that the gifts and calling God a revocable, specifically with reference to God's promise to Israel so Messiah coming only confirms the fact that God will do the rest of what he promised.

I see no can no contradiction there whatsoever. Jonathan asked can explain what the Torah teaches about Original Sin. According to the trial was an inherent nature of mankind that were intrinsically evil Jewish understanding of this is that we are mixed that there was a fall and the fall did affect us.

In other words, that Adam was this glorious being in rabbinic tradition he could strike the earth for just a few strides in the growing communal with the brighter than the sun, being in and then just becomes a moral frail human being afterwards. That means subject to death and weakness, temptation, etc. as we are, but Jewish thought is, is that there is a skull BS told in the essay hurrah the good inclination and evil information to answer? Torah they would say is found in Genesis the fourth chapter word where after Adam and Cain kills Abel and God system or should brother and in the whole thing goes on and on my brother's keeper and and and their God says to him that sin is crouching at the door right that that you have been an impulse and inclination towards it, but you must overcome it. So would be the Jewish view that human beings are not entirely enslaved to sin needing a Redeemer. The way the gospel would teach. They are in a battle and they must overcome the good information must overcome the evil you need God's help and mercy to do it, and ultimately, Redeemer and savers needed for the human race as a whole, but each individual Jew with salmon, a daily battle, and I must work with God to overcome the evil in connection then it's a funny Deuteronomy 30 recog is the Torrance's hate.

Here it is. It's it's for you to do is not hard. It's not accessible it's for you to do so. Should those to be Jewish approaches as well for Bob Rao.

Rabbi says if it was all right for Jesus to be Jewish that I'm fine with it to how to respond well to listen to Jesus. Assisi okay to listen what he had to say if if you respect him what he say did he sound the way the truth and the life. No one comes to the father but through me. Did he say I give my life as a ransom for many. Did he say before Abraham was, I had to say on the good Shepherd machine for my voice to say those things that are you following up and you believe in his death the city.

He said he was in Alanna's life as a sacrifice.

Are you following the roast and the data mean otherwise than what is his example means you obviously that much, 866-34-TRUTH. Again, if you're turning in on Facebook. We do not have our connection working properly. Somehow today we can hear the calls but as soon as I'm done with the caller. I'll repeat the question so that you can all be appraised of it priced out. Let's go to Ogden, Utah. Sarah welcome to light a fire within your mind today are at their great 100 and I came when I learned that taking I went deeper than that. It let me know. I never really now you and deeper human achievement. I was able much deeper level ever again in the candy belt and I'm ready for them to Courtney. Now pray and taken on now you idiot them and I understand how people can get any more observant and projected altogether and that yes… I'm sorry you've been through this and that's obviously a difficult time to your journey is an unusual you said that you found Christianity to be pagan. So then you looked into Judaism and then when you really discovered who Yeshua was the Jewish Jesus, the Jewish issue of the Messiah, then really found him. He found grace there but you believe God wants you to observe the Torah and you can understand how someone else can go in the direction of completely rejecting Yeshua and then converting to Judaism.

Here is what happens people take their eyes off the Messiah and they put their eyes on tour you so I look at them as one of the same understand, but people take their eyes off the Messiah and the put them on Torah they put them on certain commandments.

They put them on acts of obedience rather than relationship with God through faith which ushers interest acts of obedience and because of that the major on the Sabbath, rather than the goal of the Sabbath which is finding rest in the Messiah, they they major on outward things like dietary laws is supposed earnest and spiritual purpose of dietary laws because of which they fall away.

Paul warns about installations to specifically telling Gentile Christians to let anyone put them under pressure regarding Sabbath observance because that is just the that the shadow the substance is found in the Messiah, the body of it is found in the Messiah. So that's the critically important thing John 15th. This is to abide in the Messiah as we abide in him that we have an intimate relationship with God and bear fruit. As Paul writes to the Galatians that those who are led by the spirit under the law because they're not going to live out by the spirit.

The righteous requirements of the law. You put the emphasis in the wrong place and opens the door wide to backsliding. Unfortunately, so Sarah, let me just ask you this, when you say your your Torah observant what you do with the commandments and the Torah that are that the Mississippi Temple was standing today would you go to would you want to go to Jerusalem to offer sacrifices and write everyone present their sacrifice. All grain rights as a fluoride. Zechariah 14 speaking of the millennial kingdom speaks of future sacrifices, but certainly we can see clearly. We don't need blood sacrifices now to be right with God is his will is cleansed us once wrote the rest in a race that is to say that when Jesus came he fulfilled the Torah and the ball should be the fulfillment because of that, many of the things that that were important. Then he brought to their fullest.

And we don't need a physical temple.

We don't need earthly high priest. We are part of the spiritual temple.

We have a heavenly high priest don't need the blood sacrifices they didn't sacrifice once for all terms of the blood of the cross and because of that, because of that we we now relate to things differently.

So I just encourage you to some larger pictures and not to write off all of Christianity's quote pagan. Perhaps some of the things that you were taught were little exaggerated and Sarah want to stay there and I want to send you a free book. It's called 60 questions Christians ask about Jewish beliefs and practices.

I have a whole section there about Christians and the law 60 questions Christians estimate usually some practice I want to send you that as a gift, 866-34-TRUTH so Howard can you can get on with Sarah and get her info so we can send that out to her. Let's go to George in Duncanville, Texas.

Welcome to light a fire, economic question yeah oh yes my comment was basically nowhere where it connected about two men fighting. I would believe that to be that the woman gives birth prematurely looks more consistent with the rest of Scripture. Right right but it exactly. So my question not of heard quite a few people announcing that the basically Messiah for the Gentiles but not of the Jews and to review her and say that Jesus is the Messiah from Gentiles north of the Jews donate so that yes of course I interacted with Don Higbee about that and he told me to my face that you see Jesus to be saved, so I don't know what to make of those other comments. Certainly if that's his position, then that's a heretical position but when he put a book out that said that I was involved with people make corrections in the book and he'd solicit what it meant to communicate, etc. but it inched in short, in short, if Jesus is not the Messiah for the Jews is nobody's Messiah.

In other words, did he die, persons are not.

If he die for our sins.

Then the whole world has voted did he rise from the dead. If if he didn't offer a sense of he did rise from the dead and someone using the note he just did that for the Gentiles usually have their own covenant with God the son he said he said he came for the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

First and foremost Matthews as he came to save people from their sins. He came to be fulfilling what was written in Moses and the prophets. So if he fulfilled what was written in Moses and the prophets, then in fact the New Testament is reliable and he is the Messiah of Israel and the Savior of the world if he did not fulfill was written, Moses and the prophets. If he didn't die for us, as if he didn't rise from the dead. The new covenant.

The New Testament is not reliable with Casey's nobody's Messiah numbers you believe this is an impossible suggestion either is the Messiah of Israel, the Savior of the world that the Messiah visually disabled. No one that the choice that others are putting forward is an impossible choice if the line of fire with your host activist, author, international speaker and diligent Dr. Michael Brown voice of more cultural and spiritual revolution get into the line of fire now by calling 663.2. Here again is Dr. Michael Brown known for joining us on thoroughly Jewish.

There is come your way, live from right outside San Diego doing a conference with some of the speakers this weekend in Santee, California about Jewish evangelism and the message of tomorrow night. I gobbling the speak about why God's word says to the Jew first, let me read some interesting traditions to you Jewish traditions about the suffering Messiah about this. This is this is in the and ancient midrash so this is homiletical, it's not legal authority to but homiletical comment, but some of the rabbis hundreds of years ago it.

Speaking of one of the houses in the heavenly paradise there said Messiah Ben David Simpson, a son of David, and Elijah and the CyberKnife rhyme Messiah sent Joseph a suffering Messiah.

There is a canopy of incense trees is in the sanctuary, which Moses made the desert and all its vessels and colors of silver it's covering is golden sees purple and in his Messiah, Ben David, who loves Jerusalem a Lodge of blessed memory takes hold of his head placed in his lap and holds says to them endure the sufferings and the sentence your master who makes you suffer because of the sin of Israel. This is when he was with you because of our transgressions, he was crushed because of our iniquities, and come so here is a picture in rabbinic literature sunny primary text. It's it's not one of the most important rabbinic techs but it isn't a text from the mainstream of rabbinic Judaism in the past right and it talks about in this heavenly paradise where Messiah son of David is waiting and Messiah son of David is suffering because the sins of his people there with this is constant intercession and identification that he has that he carries. This is every Monday and Thursday and every Sabbath and holiday the followers fathers of the world.

Speaking of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and Moses and Aaron, David, Solomon and the prophets in the pies come and visit him and weep with him and he weeps with them and they giving thanks consider them endure the sense of your master for the end is near to come in the chains on your neck that on your neck will be broken and you will go into freedom is.

Isn't that fascinating. So the Messiah even these Jewish texts man on earth. But in heaven is suffering for the sins of his people. Here's another text from the Zohar Jewish mysticism and the hour which they speak of the souls of the righteous suffers. Tell the Messiah about the sufferings of Israel exile and about the sinful among them who seek not the knowledge of their master. The Messiah lifts off his voice and weeps over the sinful. Among them, this is what is written, he was wounded because of our transgressions, he was crushed because of our iniquities again. Referring to Isaiah 53 and then how about this, by the way have all these in volume 2 of answering Jewish objections to Jesus or in shorter form in the real kosher Jesus as well. Let me go to techs from what's called Pacific that Rob Pozzi, this is maybe seventh eighth century of this era and it speaks it speaks of the Messiah using verses from Psalm 22. All right. And, and it speaks of him carrying our sin carrying our pain in heaven. It's it's really quite remarkable and we just see year old Taylor limit any mutual rough ALPA ties says a great Jewish anthropologist about the suffering text.

This is they can be little doubt that psychologically the suffering Messiah for the projection personification of suffering is through. Similarly, the leper Messiah and the beggar Messiah, which is spoken of in the Talmud orbit variance on the theme of suffering Israel personified in the suffering deciphering and it is undoubtedly true in the psychological sense, that is, the Zohar states the acceptance of Israel sufferings by the Messiah read that projection onto the Messiah eases that suffering which otherwise could not be endured so with the time saying is that psychologically it makes sense. The Jewish people in their suffering nursing the Messiah suffer with them in projecting their sufferings on the people more than you Jewish person. Listen carefully with these texts secure about the many eighth ninth century of this error. So one of thousand years old. Either way you're familiar with some effects why these many references to a suffering Messiah. Could there be something about the Messiah coming first to suffer comparisons carrier pain Diana placed the death of the righteous atoning for the sins of generation and then and then coming within the it could be one Messiah two phrases have never considered that as a traditional Jew, so look at this here preceptor about the they said in the seven year period in which the son of David comes they will bring iron beams and put them upon his neck until his body bands a cross and weeps in his voice rises into the heights and he says before him master of the world commits to my strength suffer. How much my spirit much my soul.

How much my limbs and I put flesh and blood, and that our the holy one, blessed be he says from F or I am my true Messiah. You have a ready except that the suffering from the six days of creation. Now your suffering shall be like my suffering. This is God speaking to the Messiah in this midrash in this homily for ever since the day on which we could. Nebuchadnezzar came up and destroyed my temple and bury my ciphers in 586 BC and I Exxon my children. Among nations the world by your life and the life of your head. I've not sat on my throne. If you cannot, please see the do this upon my head so in this homiletical passage, God is telling Messiah set up with your called F.

Ryan right so identified with the Joseph Messiah suffering Messiah as well is telling them since the Temple was destroyed. The first time I've not sat on my throne there was, I am identify with my people in their suffering and pain desk if you're traditional Jew listen. Does this give you a clue as to how we can relate to Jesus. Yeshua being the Messiah and that our before him master. He says the sizes master of the world. Now my mind is it rest for is sufficient for the servant to be like his master, fascinating tax, no. 866342. We go to Jesse and Spicer Minnesota looking to the line of fire dear Dr. Brown thank you Mike what you want all of the work. There is no longer male-female your Greek or clear pond were all one in Christ I'm in one genealogy and your rate of oil was located. When he was no threat was a male or female are neither entries resurrected line. The only thing we know you identified as 21 when there is no male or female. Okay, so it's another words saying there is neither male or female gender gentle slave or free has nothing to do with this question of who we actually aren't has to do with our our relationship to God. There is no caste system is no class system. There's no one that's higher than the other better and the other a Jew is better than a Gentile or males, but in the female or freespending slave know in the Messiah world one. But no, even in the book of Revelation. He still through the offspring of Jesse. He is still the lion of the tribe of Judah, so he still a male and he still Jewish.

Now again F and that he transcends ethnicity and he transcends earthly gender extended but no heat. He remained to do the one who's coming back at the end of the age will be a glorified use requested.

Yes, he remains a Jew, just as he remains male 866-34-TRUTH we go that Deborah must feel Michigan. Welcome to the line of fire. Hello yeah very well. Deborah God will go if you get right your question, go ahead.

One quick one. I will start start with the first will go from there. Okay now the number one in you and bring about God.

The people that we think the right and are willing and after days and in three days and unclear. You are as I can heal eternally. But from a three-tiered perspective.

From that perspective you living during the time that I have anything that happened so so Hosea 6 notice it doesn't say that that God will God will raise him up on the third day, but rather us. So a traditional Jew could say hey this is talking about. There is a period of suffering. There is a period of of smiting and then, though, be healed. So, for example, Rashi, the formless traditional Jewish commentator of your salary here so interprets Hosea 6, let us return they will say the people say, let us return.

He smites and he will bind us up so it is present tense and he recites us he will bind us up. He will revive us from the two days, so Rashi understands us to say he will strengthen us from the two retribution's which if passed over us from the two sanctuaries that were destroyed on the third day meeting with construction of the third Temple. He will set us up from the two days from the two times in the past over us on the third day. It's the third time so and, in other words, just as we take this tutu not to speak out about us, but talking about the resurrection of the Messiah on the third day making application of the text.

Traditional Jews make application of the text to save start out spec and a few temples and then the third Temple timer for reviving a friends to the more you got questions God answers