A Christian Approach to Immigration?

We are about to have a politically incorrect, but hopefully very Christian discussion about immigration stage for the line of fire with your host activist, author, international speaker and theologian Dr. Michael Brown your voice of moral cultural and spiritual revolution Michael Brown is the director of the coalition of conscience and president of fire school of ministry get into the line of fire now by calling 866-34-TRUTH. That's 866-34-TRUTH here again is Dr. Michael Brown automotive friends to the line of fire coming your way from right outside of Ontario California here for a special culture conference and I've been really looking forward to today's show wanted to get these two guests on with me. John's American out Parada. They have written together the politically incorrect guide to immigration and honestly I could not think of any two more positive politically incorrect guys than John and Al, I have the joy of working with him regularly on the stream.

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Now another politically incorrect guide tell me about your politically incorrect writing. You don't seem to be afraid to break some of the rules and some of the taboos that are out there people you have written because I just don't have a filter and allied kind of thing actually what my mind and problem like I don't have to worry about lying and I don't even know how to be tactful.it got it out and now that the same way. I know I'm a look at you as a politically correct kind of guy. Well I think about that. I'm a get out of my many years of trying to find a punchline and everything of a recurrent right ought to go about it. Funny little bit weird to be on the side grandpa, talking about audit right so some friends of right now we we are having a problem on our lifestream.

So because of that, I'm just dropping out and we will we will be going on just with our audio of feed here, but let's talk about this politically incorrect guide to immigration John why is this such a hot topic in America today. I mean II know we know this, but what are some of the real touch points that make this so intensely controversial.

Latin America has seen that ordinary ordinary blue-collar Americans of every race are losing patience with its big government clunky bureaucratic Venezuelan style solutions to every social problem and also its antireligious sexual radicalism. Seeing that they decided that they were unhappy with the American people they want to dissolve it and import a new one from poor countries, especially Latin America. People who don't know, our political system aren't attached to our constitutional principles or maybe acclimatize to big government and socialism and not that picnic not surprised by corruption because the countries they're coming from, unfortunately, are pervaded by corruption socialism, so the Democrats think that they will simply import their new governing majority trying to equate opposition to a massive influx of low skill workers into a country which is lost most of it manufacturing faith doesn't have jobs for low skill workers try to equate opposition with the two that with racism there trying to take the most disgraceful part of American history, namely slavery and segregation in the trying to say that if you believe America should have borders.

If you believe that citizens are different from noncitizen. That's like distinguishing between people based on their race.

It's a latte it's absurd. They know it's a lie, but they figure they can get away with it and were not going to let them all right. So now I'm in California right now. The conference and speaking at his church planting conference several hundred churches in America. More than that overseas but it turns out that the great majority of the folks here in California or Hispanic Christians, including that the gentleman driving us back and forth and he said that most of those that are now in in America that it been here for many many years. Most that he knows came in illegally and and now they're part of our country and their establish yourself, should we say let's let's give other folks a chance so many folks that are part of our country today may have come in illegally, but now there their citizens are made should we do the same for others. What about Christian compassion. How you respond to that will jump out at me right here. Talk about Christian compassion in this issue that I think about on helping oppose the district at 80% of the young girl and women who come up from Central America on that journey. The illegal immigration path get sexually molested along the way and if we have a system that facilitates that I ever Christian are nauseated. I can't.

I can't. I can abide by it.

It though… That's why start when you talk about your Christian morality and all the in dealing with this issue know much bigger picture. The much broader thing is not as easy as it is the fate of that's unchristian to do that little note letting people suffer the human trafficking people get recruited in the gang.

How Christian is it out of building that though that's not enough for the world what I hear that that the first to jump out of it was over me got it all right so so and in your mind. There their larger issues. Whereas as men coming from different Christian perspectives but still saying the Christian faith is very important to you, a John, where would you say that the president is getting this right. And where would you say that you have real concerns about the president's position.

I think the president's heart is in the right place and he wants the right things but I don't think he's made securing the southern border enough of a priority. We need to build a wall he needs to put military bases at the main crossing points because right now large parts of Mexico are actually under the control of drug cartel. You know what else is under control drug cartels. The US southern border. It is the sovereign territory of groups like MS 13.

We have no control over it. The cartels are smuggling people in a $5000 ahead a worksheet grabbing children and giving them to immigrants is get out of jail free cards until Pres. Trump tried to shut that down the policy.

The customs controversy of separating adults and children impart to find out if there really their children become a case or they weren't 10,000 kids that the Obama administration just a practice catch and release. Release 10,000 of them ended up his sleeve laborers in an eggplant in Iowa disappearing into this into the child sex trafficking networks of the underground economy.

We have to gain control over our sovereign border in order to enforce any laws whatsoever, including protecting women and girls from being raped.

As as outside percent of those women are raped. If the US is letting that happen it on our conscience. First we have to establish order and control. We have to take control back from the drug cartel, then we have to impose order on the workplace in America and make it necessary for every employer to check whether workers applying our legal to be in the country. I bet you thought they were worked every company had to do that don't is a system called E-Verify. The federal government set it up, but it's voluntary you captive. You can check if their legal you don't really have to. That's completely insane doll. Trump needs to close the border, build a wall, build military bases do what's necessary. Despite Congress to secure the border. He needs to insist that E-Verify must be mandatory for every business in America and then get out your number of the steps we have a 15 point plan which Al helpfully labeled mission America that would secure our border and also really reduce than the number of low skill immigrants coming in chasing job that don't exist running down the wages of nativeborn Americans. Blue-collar Americans have not gotten a pay raise in 45 years, adjusted for inflation that completely coincides with the policy of chain migration of love letting people come in the country legally because there's somebody at brother or somebody's cousin rather than because they match what what job skills and education. The American economy in a moment how I will go over now and it will start to lay out for the 16 point plan, but somewhat more questions from you.

You have read a lot historically.

As I mentioned, many of your articles will bring in references from more literature from history. If you are trying to point to a lesson from history for America today because there's nothing new under the sun. In that regard. But what you point to to try to wake up Americans to your point of view on immigration, I would point to Lebanon in 1970 that the country which used to be majority Christian Christians used to be safe to practice their faith, which used to have a kind of fragile balance of power between the Muslims and the Christian and in the 1980s, Palestinian refugees started flooding into the country in Lebanon. It prove it provoked a civil war because it destroyed the balance of power suddenly Christians are in the minority.

Now Christians in Lebanon no longer feel safe there no longer the dominant group.

There simply being outvoted and and they they they are afraid that in the Civil War, they would be defeated. I see that happening in America with the left one state after another is flipping from blue to red from red to blue California used to be the political home of Ronald Reagan, Richard Nixon, now with the one party failed state run by the Democratic might as well just join Mexico and again this is not an answer question if the political question. 71% of recent Hispanic immigrants to America to her ear. Legally, 71% of the support bigger government and more government programs. What that means is one state after another is going to become permanently left-wing Democrat pro-abortion anti-religious liberty. These Hispanic immigrants.

They may be Catholic. They may be evangelical but overwhelmingly they vote their perceived economic interest for people rather than the dictates of their religion, which would lead them to be more conservative, my friends, working to pick up on the discussion with Johnson Merrick and Al Parada, a politically incorrect guide to immigration. That is the name of the book 866.

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You'll just audio today's radio the same as ever 866-34-TRUTH you may take some calls as well. As you know I don't speak much about immigration on the show because I don't feel it's an area where I have expertise and it's not something God called me to focus on so I have no interest in just offering my opinion as an opinion unless I have something behind it. So I been eager to have my friends Johnson Merrick and Al Parada joining me on the air today. They have co-authored a book with rage republishing the politically incorrect guide to immigration, so now 15 point plan will see how many of the points we get through obviously laid out in more detail in the book. Let's start with point number one.

Give us what it is and the why behind it. Well first off we talk about build a wall. We need security without the word build a wall too much trouble for people with Bill Gates but really big structures holding them up in between the gate but we need to do it better. They were sent to the restaurant to watch San Diego go up the with with a dirty bomb.

We gotta do it. Our security depends on it. Also we have attract people who enter the US on visas and immediately remove those who overstay them to your 2015 750,000 people overstay their visas F7 Rose Bowl both filled with people who do not leave when they were supposed to. We know the danger of that we thought on 9/11 stripping. Think Tri-Cities of discretionary federal funding and use other means to exert pressure on them can have that connect people camp but was doing in Oakland where the giving warnings to know terminals failure combined your combined can't do that can't you can't do that is dangerous to flat-out dangerous thought removing criminal alien.

Yes, we are talk about E-Verify number 5.we also talked also about his idea of of of an IRS hotline, not a cheap thing were you: you call your neighbor, but have to have a basic idea of if and have much more factual evidence behind it that there is an illegal illegal immigration going to get to call up to see somebody mowing the grass look like they'd walk so some question you talk about dirty bombs and things like that with some assistance to some secure fear mongering. Come on you know how many folks are here there try to blow us up there and really here to just try to find a better life there fleeing from drug cartels and murderous situations and summaries unstable Latin American countries. Not here to kill the other non-Muslim radical Muslim terrorist Tronic destroys are are you just go to your fear mongering no. Why take like I could do I correct that the counterterrorism handbook scared the daylights out of me. Okay.we are talk about that, but we mentioned that he left a message structure was stopped a few miles from the border was that it was the city of Southwest so Annette sent it. If your mother noticed three or real. We do know that has blah the terrorist group is teaming up with the Latin American drug drug folks smuggling stop in the country smuggling people in this country that has blah at the 18 materials that we know what happening, not recognizing that not recognizing the danger because of data. Political correctness is is is is dangerous is a dangerous thing that Belz II can reject that one right now John is if we talk about cost and you're building a wall that's that's that's a lot of money to to build a wall in an you know you. Where would you get that money from Heidi respond Al I think you got those numbers I have.

I will let I will let Al give the numbers go head out well for boy to look at it as basically productive $20 billion for all your spending $40 billion on education.

The thing pays for itself with the money spent on educating the elite children of illegal immigrants legal immigrants you are doubling the cost of the spending on the wall anyway so pays for itself in that way, if you if your space if you stopping the number of illegals coming in all the other kind of services like that that go towards illegal, it pays for itself.

So the idea that it costs a lot now is soliciting and say okay you guys make a good case based on the American nationalism. You guys make a good case based on patriotism. You guys make a good case based on what's best for American workers were safety to keep terrorists out potential terrorists out but but where's your Christian heart that cares for those who are fleeing from difficult situations, life-threatening situations and look to America as a place of refuge and in a given time will become good contributing citizens, but are our first concern is to be a place of refuge. I mean after all that we have Christian roots and talk about being a Christian majority nation. Heidi respond to that. I would like to yeah I would say that public policy should be directed in our country which has separation of church and state public policy should be directed by justice, by the by the best interest of the country.

I don't think as a Christian I should be imposing Christian charity via the government forcibly on citizens who aren't Christians back to the churches to do okay so the government should look out for the citizens of the country within that we as Christian citizens as churches we can single look for the immigrants who come here illegally and help we can teach them English we can teach them job skill we can offer them daycare our job to be merciful within the framework of justice. The government's job is to enforce justice and to pursue the legitimate self-interest and protect the rights of the citizens we don't live in an officially Christian country based on the New Testament we live in a country based on natural rights the deck with the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution we the government's job is to enforce the law and protect the best interests of the citizens. The church's job is to go above and beyond that an offer Christian charity to people through our voluntary donations not to tax money that we take for people by force know I'm a Catholic. I'm ashamed of the way the Catholic Church behaves on that the Catholic Church does nothing out of its own pocket, but the Catholic Church has set all these institutions like Catholic charities, Catholic relief services.

In fact, they are almost 100% federally funded there just government contractors and they pose this Christian charity that in fact they're just taking tax money and distributing it to people and as a result, the US Catholic bishops are trying to increase their revenue through these charities by increasing immigration.

And also there trying to keep the pews bill fall in their churches because 40% of Catholics believe the church in America and the only way the Catholic bishops can keep the churches from being emptied like like those in many mainline liberal Protestant denominations is to keep bringing in people from Latin America who they hope will stay Catholic for a few years before they leave to so John in your viewpoint. This is similar to what Democrats are doing because the vast majority of immigrants are especially those that came illegally are going to vote Democrat versus Republican.

So, in your mind Catholic Church is doing the same thing once Dragon votes. It is to get people in the pews right exactly what I call it. She votes and then church pew pew fillers there. Try to keep the pews fall and rather than fix the seminaries and get rid of the openly gay priest and teach Orthodox Christian doctrine.

There just giving up shrugging in thing now the nativeborn E but there will always be some more immigrants to take their places like throwing troops into the into the front lines in World War I watching the get mowed down and just bringing in more cannon fodder from the rear and out doesn't matter just keep throwing them into the trenches friends. One thing we guaranteed you as today's discussion was going to be politically in core right so you are hearing it from John's Merrick and how product you can read them regularly, along with my writings and others on the stream stream.org and will be weighing in articulately and clearly on key issues happening day by day and the world around us and in John II had written one of the few things I wrote about immigration and refugees and things like that was during the focus being more Muslim countries and's and Syria that I said the government should focus on security in the church should focus on compassion, you're saying something similar to that Al is a local church. What what can Christians do to to be a compassionate voice and a compassionate arm and in the midst of immigration controversy what what can the church do local church. What what can I do again Madonna thing, love, love on people. You got dark chocolate 11 people to support efforts that help facilitate and facilitate the move into America.

I like to say that you know there's a gate we negated the American dream. Org for the city on the hill there.

The path of the gate stay on the path we can help people we can fix the system to help people. We are setting up a system that will allow us years to come. To create the great and we need to support. We just need to be supporting that would add as bullet as believers. Yes we do the compassion we need.

But as part of the compassion is making sure we vote in ways and act in ways that help facilitate a system that help that help make the system work not only for today for the generations to come. The people were in the villages in Africa are the for the place in Latin America want to come here friends. We are going to return and continue this discussion and if you'd like to call and if you have a question or different perspective by means will get some calls 866-34-TRUTH I'm looking at some of the bullet points from this book, the politically incorrect guide to immigration by John's Merrick and Al Parada a check this out after Ronald Reagan's 1986 amnesty the illegal population went from 3.2 million to 11 million about this. 62% of naturalized immigrants or for the Democrats 25% for the Republicans.

According to the politically incorrect guys immigration illegal immigration cost American taxpayers taxpayers 116 billion billion dollars a year. The line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown get into the line of fire now by calling 8663 here again is Dr. Michael Brown. My guess John's Merrick and Al Parada representing Catholic and Protestant faith traditions said we need to build the wall. They argue that building the wall will cost less than half of what we spent educate illegal immigrants every year. They say that illegal immigration cost American taxpayers $116 billion a year. The competition from immigrants cost American workers, $450 billion year this is Michael Brown you're listening to the line of fire, 866-348-7884 is the number to call. Want to get to some questions from our callers momentarily, but first just want talk to John's Merrick for a moment John what was the philosophy of our founding fathers as far as immigration was it just open borders was a Christian only what what was their philosophy, their philosophy was actually quite cautious, baby founding fathers really only wanted English-speaking Protestant because they thought the update. They only thought that the American system of liberty was likely to work with people who were from a culture that was used to having liberty and they warrant that many places outside of England that had such liberty. They gradually became a little bit more optimistic.

They saw that some of the people fleeing from Germany, you know, coming away out of the feudal regimes in Germany that they wanted liberty to and that they could acclimatize themselves they could learn English and they could they could learn the American assist system of laws and and and common law, and all those things in the gradually broadened, you know, we gradually overcame some of the really unfortunate and wrong prejudices that we had which Black citizens from having said that the black people for many citizenships which wrongly kept Asians out of the country just because of their race. There were some periods of time and in in the past when you know overt racism governed our immigration policies and that was wrong, but there such a thing is going too far in the other direction to where you don't even demand that people want to assimilate but they respect the political system.

I mean look at Britain look at Belgium, will you have tens of thousands of Muslims marching with signs demanding to impose sharia on the country in America. The equivalent is people from Latin America for use deuced socialism wanting to impose socialism on the country and I would just point out that my main concern politically is and has been since age 11, protecting unborn children from abortion.

You know that the Republicans which were the only party that is any respect for unborn life week.

The Republicans of only one, the popular vote for president one since 1988 and that was in 2004 in the week during the Iraq war. Every other year.

Even when we have a Republican president.

It was only because of the electoral College, Hillary Clinton was a few thousand votes away from being president of the United States. If we keep bringing a million poor people into the country every year. A million low skill workers letting them into the country letting them be eventually become citizen, how are they going to vote only ever again have a pro-life president or president cares about religious liberty, or is Donald Trump the last pro-life president, the last pro-Christian president, we will ever have in America. The answer to that question lies 100% with immigration. I John's Merrick will hear more from Alfred on in a moment. Go to the phone.

Starting in Raleigh, North Carolina David, welcome to the line of fire. I thank you for taking my call.

You think that we need change policy to make it less expensive for them but complicated for people to come here so that they don't force to come here undocumented and you know in every way of immigrants like Irish need not apply any and everybody had Dori out feeling that way. But Jean is built today and you know the whole thing up a lot of Latin American Art Weight are pro-life and they might just push the Democrats you want Arvo you need to be pro-life as well that you can't do that, they will they know what might happen really interesting perspective. David appreciated how how would you respond to that.

Well the first point is made with all was great and about the difficulty.

So when I talk about their the path to a gate beyond the gate is the American dream. I responsibility I would say is to make that wider and straighter and clear and at a few maybe out a few more gates and that sent me to respond to make it easier. Again legal immigration.

We could control the system. A lot of lot of better things happen. I John anything you want to add in terms of perhaps perhaps I would think those coming in will surprise us, many have a Catholic background may be more religious and American Catholic. So maybe I can change that's simply not true. If you look at the immigrants who came in after the amnesty if you look at what happened in the state of California in the wake of Reagan's amnesty you saw us, they were pro-life candidates used to be able to compete on a statewide basis.

Now, it's completely hopeless. I'm sorry but it's just not true that these people are going to push the Democratic Party in a pro-life direction. They do not exert that impact that it is naïve, wishful thinking to say otherwise it's our duty as Christians to be wise as serpents and innocent as done being wise as a serpent you look at the voting record of Hispanic immigrants after 1 to 3 generations. They keep voting pro-abortion because they see that their economic self-interest just the way the Irish Catholics in Massachusetts vote there what they perceive their economic interest for the both of the Kennedys.

Despite the Catholic faith, so I know I'm sorry that's naïve and I don't think we need to make it easier for low skill immigrants to come into a country that has an enormous welfare state doesn't have any jobs for them to David. Thank you for the cold.

John what about the idea that that these folks are doing work that a lot of Americans don't want to do and and they're willing to do if they're willing to work hard and then be hearing and didn't do their best to to to make a living and do a lot of things and Americans don't want to do. Why should they be penalized for that Americans don't want to do them at the low wages that are being offered so that right. Just prove my point that immigration brings down the wages of the American working class and employers who want to offer cheap low wages can't find American workers willing to do it. Replaced with illegal immigrants. How is that good.

How positive we working-class people have living wages.

We want to be able to support their family. We want black people grow up in America, Hispanic, suburban America, poor white suburban America you will find dignified jobs that allow them to support a family and I'm amazed that people think that cheap labor that enriches big corporations is somehow Christian compassion. I friends you want to weigh in if you have a question or take issue with my gas John's Merrick and outfront again.

Their new book, the politically incorrect guide to immigration, let's let's grab another call to Joel in Virginia. Welcome to the line of fire all well this so-called beach to get a holy one thing that missing herring and once you get down behind it that the secret orders have never been bought an email that all started the Berlin. Walters, bone, and that national or global and nobody was Clement that because that is the thing likely to come auto pollute leaving out the fact that the circle immigration issue behind the back door, pushing the miracle worker out so why was a 500 the good of the birds let go or let the birds would build a bridge about the medical amount about American.

Very very good. You make all the great back door could bring America down and I Joel I'm not the one that's big on conspiracy theories, but I think John Alice if anybody's open to different series of ideas you guys are so okay deep state is is one thing but who's behind the deep state of John out respond honestly next to Joel. He lay things out give an honest response. Okay, what I would say is we are. We do have to deal with the idea that there are people who do not believe in borders. They are the open border crop if they are open about it and there are people who are part of the who believe that good like the southwest part of the US is supposed to be back part of Mexico so we don't have to go through the work conspiracy theory to talk about it. There are people who actually walked up the seven southwestern part of the US back to Mexico call at as long as I have a lot of you want to call the land they exist the raw that was part of that effort. So the race they want to stop having work conspiracy theory know what's happening. We know the people who were open border. The orders themselves are immoral, un-biblical so you so so we can simplify what Joel say and put it in those terms alone without having to worry about. All I John, I would say that globalism is an ideology which is extremely dangerous. I don't know how conspiratorial we need to be about it.

The European Union is openly trying to liquidate borders. Pope Francis is openly saying he said in 2014.

He went to lamp do so which is the main impoverished Italian town in Sicily that overwhelmed with economic migrants from Africa. Most of the Muslim and he said that if you will pose brief these people coming into your country. You are like cane murdering his brother Herod slaughtering the children in Bethlehem that kind of deranged globalist ideology has no precedent in Christian history to go to St. Augustine did not say the Roman Empire should welcome the vandals and the Goths were invading. He actually prayed for the victory of Roman armies to keep their borders intact. There is no history of Christian nations having open borders anywhere ever in the world. If someone comes and tells you he's discovered that the gospel preach open borders.

I think he's a heron like friends.

From my politically incorrect yes John's American output is even a little more politically correct back to Joel, thank you for the call listening to the line of fire.

It's the line of fire with your host activist, author, international speaker, and Dr. Michael Brown voice of more cultural and spiritual revolution get into the line of fire now by calling 664 through here again is Dr. Michael Brown. I got a few more politically incorrect minutes with my gas John's American health water read them on the daily basis over the stream stream org anomaly post all my articles there that we posted on the sites as well, but at least once a week arriving exclusive just for the streams. That's the place to go for great commentary what's happening in the world around us and John and and Al have co-authored a book, the politically incorrect guide to immigration, so I want to ask one simple question and then were going to get even more politically incorrect as we broaden our scope of discussion in our last few minutes, but what about all those that are here illegally. You're talking about kids that have been raised in the country with her parents coming in illegally. So when I'm in Tomah borders right now. When I talked about a wall right now with some of those who are here and retirement Christian approach and with the government's role is with the church as well as what about those who are ready here.

What we do want to whoever wants to go to I Michael, I would say right now it's extremely dangerous to offer an amnesty because that just invites more people to put their lives in the hands of the of the of the human traffickers or raping 80% of women who are leading people to die in the desert were abandoning them in shipping containers and trucks in the desert not giving them food and water. We we reward the people who are here now with an amnesty before we secure the border. That's like letting the horse out of the barn. It is actually will endangerment hundreds of thousands more people who will flood into America will have to do another amnesty and another amnesty and another amnesty just like the Reagan amnesty. What we need to do is first secure the border enforce our laws fix our legal immigration system. Reduce the number of people we accept every year, for whom there are no jobs, who were just bringing into our welfare system and once we have those things fixed then and only then we can address the issue of of granting some path to green card permanent residency for people who snuck into the country. I would never give them citizenship. However, I don't think you reward that album and anything to that will adding on to it. Don just said is if you give citizenship to those folks and you still have chain migration, but the couple million people that you've just given citizenship to start bringing in relatives and relatives you're growing exponentially.

That's how you blow up from 3 million to 11 million so Chain migration have to be part of the ending chain migration is be part of limiting it have to be part of the equation so you don't see a way that maybe have a pass.

It's more difficult pastor, one where reparations are made, so that's not amnesty, but it but at least a path of some kind until you get think that your order again. It's the stampede we we we got one thing, but it's true that is followed up with the Reagan thing we thought up when a bomb a few years ago was was sort of thing, basically saying come on over and off on your tens of thousands of children heading towards US gotta be secure first. Then you start deal with the folks who are here got its independence 101 other questions you ask for Jenny in Durham disintegration help the population. We know that on average women between 18 and 44 needs average 2.1 children born during the woman's child bearing age for society to sustain itself.

We know that many countries around the world have dropped precipitously below the rates to sustain and that that is Jenny in Durham is asking that the in America are our birth rates are too low, if not for immigrants. So what about the argument that if the country is to continue for future generations. Then you must do. You must take in the counted immigrants are helping that with a higher birth rates to sustain the population because otherwise the nation just dies as he gets older. What about that argument. John yeah I would say almost a one-for-one number of children we killed for abortion store portion and the number of immigrants were taken into the country. It's almost 141 so we need to we need to end abortion in America and that right there if all those children had been born. We wouldn't thing the limp arrogance of our current population. Secondly, we are bringing people from countries where abortion is illegal to a country where it's illegal for nine months of pregnancy.

So we are in effect endangering their children by putting them in a place where they can be aborted and finally I would say Derek there are ways in which immigration suppresses the native birth rate because it blue-collar people can't support their families that they don't get a pay raise in 45 years if their public schools teaching 24 different languages in their day. Don't see them as usable people can have fewer children because they have to homeschool them or send them to Christian school or the or they just know their kids and I can have a very good prospect in the countries they won't have as many kids are birth rate has plummeted.

At the same time that we've admitted all those immigrants.

I think there's a causal relationship. There is Jenny. I asked the question for you just to make sure that we got it on, but thank you for raising the question, and one more from from Harold in Florida so I think we've answered this ready but question of one this compassion kick in the simple answer would be that that's not the government's role. That's the church's role the government has to focus on security and economic well-being and that the answer for Harold would be that the church has Dan Knight opportunity to be compassionate. What about the ideal that that Jesus offers forgiveness and amnesty. In many ways and and shouldn't we follow suit. You know, I forgive you.

I don't condemn you go and sin no more. So you're forgiven now bring about change was the government adopted that policy out. You think you could work Don played out earlier that would be putting Chris a Christian fourth-year Christian value onto non-Christians in America, but there is little. Another way to look at the same idea what Harold might be talking about. We talked earlier about the founding fathers and the truth is Alexander Hamilton would not be allowed in his own musical because of his views on immigration.

However, because of pretty tight. However, he did have the speed ahead is phrase that I think summarizes this very well.

He talked about the harmony of ingredient and I jar is such a beautiful phrase talk about the melting pot we could throw anything into a pot and melted it up.get anything to satisfy the harmony of ingredient having the right mix of people right mix again different places different cultures coming in the harmony of ingredient, we aim for that idea that Alexander Hamilton had raining somewhere good for something healthy and harmonious working and that I think is this out of the function of the division. I like keeping that idea in mind when we talk about got it all clear like this. We have maybe three minutes left, but I want to give each of you an opportunity to be utterly politically incorrect. John you know that that I'm not Catholic, and there are many reasons that I'm not Catholic you you are well.

Know anyone that's a sharper critic of the Pope right now so I want to take a minute and tell us why you have issues with Pope Francis. I think Pope Francis hate capitalism. I think he resents America because he's from Argentina, a country which was once his Rich of America destroyed its economy through socialism. Everyone I've met from Argentina seems to resent the United States. Even the right-wingers. I'm he's a left-winger.

He seems to want to dismantle the church's teaching on on the number of issues in sexual ethics. I'm not surprised he wants to dismantle the borders of the West of their countries get inundated and there always poor as Argentina, and how despite the size that you are an evangelical Christian you hold high moral standards you use been president trumps corner for a while and seem to appreciate him more than many. What's the good that you see with Pres. Trump well way doing the job we hired him to do an auto loan level. It is the symbol of that we aren't to run the government efficiently and is doing his best to do that to another thing I like about them is that you forget is a builder we see the showmen we see the noise is a builder what builders do builders lab survey the land figure the best way to make something good out of it and draw the plans and they execute when we think the problem or the builder we see a lot of things he does make more step, but also as you know of the visit faith. People of faith around them. For some reason you the Jews drawn to people of strong faith. Nobody thought about his own beliefs all whatever, but he's drawn to that in the father's wise counsel, godly counsel around them with more faith in the notion of him being there than just the man himself, Donald J. Trump, I have taught eighth and the people around yet it is it is conducive to interesting mix hate the new book the politically incorrect guide to immigration by the politically incorrect authors Johnson Barak and Al Parada gentlemen, it's a joy to have you both on the air together and will have to do it again one day. Thanks so much and I talked all right friends tomorrow where you have a special interview with Dr. you Ross astronomer you Ross that that now you Ross is not one of those chasing blood moons and all prophetic imagery, but there's going to be a really interesting astronomical phenomenon just a few days to talk to us about.

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