Responding to Jewish Objections to Jesus

So why is it that Jews generally speaking, the believe that Jesus is the Messiah stage for the line of fire with your host activist and author, international speaker and theologian Dr. Michael Brown your voice of moral cultural and spiritual revolution Michael Brown is the director of the coalition of conscience and president of fire school of ministry get into the line of fire valves like always 866-34-TRUTH that's 866-34-TRUTH here again is Dr. Michael Brown. I just finished recording a video on Psalm 37: Psalms for the weeks in doing it. He owes on the part of the class and that are available to some of her supporters and it's apropos, because at this moment as is refocusing on Arthur leaders Thursday broadcast and enter our normal focus changes from other things happening in the world are broader theological questions to Israel. Jewish focused issues of right before the broadcast. The president's legal team presented their evidence that they this says demonstrates massive voter fraud and and that they can prove this.

So I just finished a video on Psalm 37 which is say he didn't know get all exercised and worked up about wicked people prospering because God is going to turn the tide and the righteous will be blessed now. Let God be the judge.

He knows every detail that every secret thing be brought to life. If there has been fraud, dishonesty, let it be brought to light the people being great leaving conspiracy theories B brought to light. I am not gonna focus on that or comment on it today because it's outside of Arthur leaders Thursday broadcast, but I do commend to you.

Psalm 37 in terms of attitude in general and specifically now. Welcome to the broadcast. This is Michael Brown delighted to be with you. Here's number to call with any Jewish related question you have of any kind 866-34-TRUTH 866-348-7884 is number to call you to be a Christian with the Jewish related question, you can be a Jewish friend that differs with our views look to hear from you I will go to the phones fairly quickly today, but just want to alert you to this fact that we have now put out the first of our video series on answering the rabbis we are specifically were playing clips from Commissioner Rabbi starting with with many from from Rabbi Tobia Singer who changed his tactics at some point from focusing on and trample Jews away from Jesus and began to just attack Christians and in their faith and say what you believe is wrong and he's been a very aggressive and because of the misinformation he puts out his been a somewhat effective in confusing people. I just fell in a we went we refuted this material. Other ways over the years, but the cassette burden to do it in video one video at a time is probably hundreds out there but God willing will will do dozens and dozens of rebuttals. So our first one we deal with his allegation that that Paul quotes a phantom Scripture in first Corinthians 15 I'm very very easily refuted, but if you haven't watched video yet.

Just go to my YouTube channel asked Dr. Brown SK dear Brown, I will be posted on Facebook as well. Esther Cabral on Facebook or on our website is Dr. Brown.org just type in the word Singer and you'll find it and and you'll see we just look at Scripture, we can Jewish tradition, checking the accuracy of what's being said and you seem my my position for decades has been gotten committed to following you and the truth wherever it leads. That's why often end up in uncomfortable positions and controversial positions.

That's why know many of you love and respect me because you feel him to do my best to sift things out and come up with the truth as opposed to just being partisan obviously will have blind spots will have biases but I remember something very major that happened in my own life.

So it came to faith dramatically born again late nights of 1971. Very little Jewish background the permits for the 13 but in a fairly nominal Jewish home. The little Hebrew I knew I'd forgotten and heavy drug user get radically born again in the church in Queens, New York. Immediately, my dad says Michael's great rough drugs, but we choose. We don't believe in this brings me to meet the local rabbi. He and I become friends is freshly graduated from Jewish theological seminary about 11 years older than me.

Fact we were in touch again that this year a semi general commentary of because were role, friends, and he's been a lifelong student of the book of Job, so he immediately gave me a book on anti-Semitism in church history. He would bring me to meet other rabbis in our memory August 1973 meeting without some kebab rabbis in Brooklyn. Ultra-Orthodox Jewish rabbis and they seem very devoted spiritually.

There were very kind man. They seem to have a heart to please God the way I did.

They studied and prayed for hours every day as I didn't need to spend even more time studying and praying and and you know who was I to challenge them.

I couldn't even read Hebrew and so on and they really challenge me. I knew that the Lord to change my life and Jesus was real, but they raise valid questions really challenge me started studying Hebron College because the program only had modern Hebrew. I got Thomas Landon Landon's grammar of of physical Hebron taught myself biblical Hebrew went through that that's that's I learned that we throw those exercises on my own and knows the foundation for what came after and Studying learning more languages, meeting with rabbis as often as I could, interacting, debating, discussing, and it was copiers after this I'm in college now, and I spent a few more hours with ultra-Orthodox rabbis kebab rabbis in Brooklyn and again there challenge me and you have to understand the reasons that you still believe in Jesus. It's not just church history where there's often been anti-Semitism and infantile arrogance and even outright persecution of Jews that's that's brought reproach to the name of Jesus that's been bad enough that's been terrible enough, such as that is when Jewish person reads the Scriptures they don't see it the way we didn't use it will even brainwash there there just seeing through the eyes of traditional, they would say no. You're the ones to get to the Austin tradition and in you been brainwashed or whatever your views are biased. So we go back and forth and we challenge each other but you know when when you're talking to a rabbi your Jewish person yourself, you know that there's a purpose in you being a Jew there some sense of calling the destiny that you have the being a Jew matters that better than someone else. But this if some kind of mission from from God as a Jew and you you don't want to be completely cast out and rejected by your own people you know. Human beings feel like that and you got these men very devout silica. I learned this from my father letter from his father and his father only back to Moses at Mount Sinai who are you the challenge us. This is one of those moments where I really challenge my heart and I remember was 1975 that I came home from spending hours with these rabbis and the next day, day after was right around that time and I just was was troubled by the questions they had raised and and I wanted to be sure that my answers had real substance, because we could all your point. Sometimes you're arguing your point.

Risk is a weak point or this doesn't really answer made maybe a push to the person away, but in my heart I know it was a really good answer I can't live like that about you but I can't live like that because of him, know the truth in the sight of God and follow the truth and in the sight of God and what happened was I I got on my face before the Lord literally laid on my face before the Lord and I poured my heart out to him from the depths of my being and I would dare say that most of us never have an experience like this because we believe a certain way and we get confirmation of what we believe and maybe it's challenge the little but we never question the depths of it that could be some yes don't know some do some some live with years of agonizing doubt and pain and not knowing if there following the truth or not that's that's a very difficult we live in of tremendous sympathy for those of gone through that I've never lived through that over period of time, but it had a few seasons of intense intense challenge to my faith. I mean very very intense challenge, but they been the been few and they been short for which I'm grateful that this particular day I got on my face and in my in my bedroom the whole I grew up I got on my face and I said God I just want to follow you as a loyal to that's that's all I want. I just want to follow you as a loyal Jew if Jesus is not the Messiah. If if if my beliefs are wrong. If if it means everything I have planned in life has to be abandoned if if it means all my friends and the whole direction I'm going that that's all wrong and I've been terribly wrong these years. Right at this point Nancy and I together so that what was can happen us right now really married the next year was happen us if if I am wrong about my beliefs. I don't care about the consequences.

However, agonizing and painful.

I have to follow you as a loyal Jew. On the other hand if everything I believe about Jesus is true that on the care of the whole Jewish community rejects me and hates me I have to bear the reproach that the rest of my life.

I have to honor you as a Jew as as as your son is your servant I have. Whatever the truth is I have to be faithful to God and overwhelmingly through the word.

As I prayed overwhelmingly. He reinforced to me what I know to be absolute truth Jesus Yeshua is our Messiah. Overwhelmingly, I mean it was if words were jumping off the pace written and to be perfectly honest, I was laying there with my Bible in English was still the way I was reading it because I read that fluently and I had the Bible there and I just flipped it open as a complete random flip I just flipped it open and blown their hope is to was a 53 and of course I knew the passage and of course I knew that rabbinic arguments against it, but it was if, as if the words were literally leaping off the page there was a divine power behind those words and I I literally felt that God knew God knew in eternity past that moment would come that I would be in that honest mode of absolute seeking raw, honest, whatever the cost. Whatever the consequence seeking. He knew that and he and he knew that my Bible flip open to that passage, and it's not like I had it dogeared or marker certain what it flipped open there. Try to hundred of the times and it flipped it to 99 other hundred of the passages right and I really thought I remember feeling God you would actively be deceived me. These words are so strong and so overwhelmed. And remember, I knew that rabbinic arguments against the been around and around and around that they were jumping off the page that I felt God you would actively be deceiving me by putting this here at this very moment, and that the trial ended, and you have been engaging with rabbinic community ever since and ongoing way among thousands of pages of interaction, correspondence or took all of her hours and transcribed and probably thousands of pages and is used more studies of other languages in the background. My face became actually strong about my spiritual faith is so strong that intellectual faith.

Yes, Jesus Yeshua subsidence okay will be right back in the street to the phone. We will file the line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown get into the minor fire now by calling 866-34-TRUTH here again is Dr. Michael Brown. I well, it is thoroughly Jewish Thursday music and not 866-34-TRUTH is never to call. Let's go to the phones starting with our friend Manny in Brooklyn.

Thanks. Recall, I again what's up I like the brown I told me I should call after reading your book, the real kosher to wonderful so you got your edit. Yeah I don't know your audience knows, but through the second copy sent the first one got mail to the wrong address. So I'd like to specialist thank you for the remaining portion. I wasn't aware that these are that's okay but anyway you got it you got the other one. I wonder what you are not aware of it give you autographed you autographed the book didn't work right the first time.

I must have but it in all candor will be given a stack of books with names to autograph and sometimes I know they are, because I remember who, therefore, and what the occasion was, but yet they they might've told me he just do it again and I didn't even know why so this probably happened. Anyway, I'm glad I'm so glad you got it.

Sorry 222 times because you got it.

Yeah. So I guess you read it pretty quickly that I read it, basically. And one day to be honest. What I didn't really read fully will be a footnote I and I hope I am doing the thinking. I bet some of them that is so tell tell me your thoughts as it is unorthodox to your thoughts on the main interesting thing I saw in your book with the chapter.

The secret of the invisible God, who can be an correct me if I'm wrong, but you're making the argument in just like developing idolatrous and believing in account the publisher cannot know the divine presence or temple or in you know how many many Hasidic Jews believe in the idea of Ellie Cook that everything is made out of divine essence is nothing wrong about believing Jesus is a machine a proto-screen or a greater is that the argument yeah I mean that that would be an analogous thing that just as the scene was the manifest presence of God on the earth and yet did not exhaust the fullness of God is his dog remained enthroned in heaven and filling the universe. That is when Rabbi said to me decades ago that Jesus is like a walking 15 that the presence of God was was indwelling a human being and that God was being was manifest in the life of you would be in the word became flesh so you it's it's it's not meant to be exact and precise, but rather to take a Jewish concept and to say hey maybe from that concept you can understand how we believe in God's complex unity. He sits enthroned in heaven, he fills the universe works on this by spirit, he can manifest himself for season in the human body solve the problem, though, because the nobody worship the Trina nobody really worship the tabernacle or the Spiro women you know like gold or or the member of the God are online. Correct me if I'm wrong, but Philo worship the logo remain right so Philo's understanding of low doses similar to what John says but not exactly. But let me ask me, is this how many gods you worship one, one okay is this you see not God. No not gone okay so it's the manifest presence of God. So one could use. Pray for the reunification of the holy one because the screen is an XL is people so if it's the manifest presence of God. What is it an expression, everything expert, everything that's not God. God God, the infinite God of the expression of the like. When the cloud of glory came down by the time promote rightward or the pillar of fire that that's just the expression of God, of God, the being of God exist is not something that should be worshiped that this just something to be expressed okay so so writes salons. Understand this, then this Lysistrata with you some examples. So, in Genesis 18 were the most plain reading of the taxes is that the Lord himself appears to Abraham, along with with two angels, one of the three men clearly seems to be the Lord himself and Abraham as an extended conversation with him and when I'm done.

He walks away was that God in the flesh or not by God in the flesh when learning like to give a parallel example you have like numbers chapter 12 where… Coming down in the pillar that would let God in the pillar of cloud running bullets adjusted at the pillar of cloud that the Lord spoke to him face-to-face connections 33 segments peace and strength, but it's just the of 33 people and says that on that I appeared to him right you have a appeared to him and that is clear that you have once you get to the end of the track to begin 1/19 that one of the three men that came was was the Lord himself. The other two were were angels and that Abraham's taught in the Lord's time directly. Shall I withhold from Abraham what I want to do so. What was that was that one that the Scriptures identifies you have okay the Lord himself who hasn't conversation with Abraham and Sarah, and then an extended conversation with with Abraham and and he's called the judge of all the earth, etc. Abraham's talking to him was that God and in human form. I don't know exactly what my God in human form running. If unit with an expression of God in human form then yes. It's an expression of God do you do talk to an expression of God's is an expression of God. Give promises is an exciting, well, why not I mean you again when you have the pillar of cloud coming down and in numbers chapter 12 and in the pillar of cloud send messages like that or not is not clear on the cloud is not called the Lord words this man, and since Satan is called the Lord well yeah but it does save God came down in a pillar of cloud so that what what what what big of a different village of NNN at and I just called him by his name from then on the okay so so so the fact that you're saying that's an expression of God in human form basically note I could read that way I'm not okay human form are all right, so you worship God you don't worship the expression yeah that's okay fine, so this expression of God in human form is you sure we don't worship the physical body but we worship the God who expressed himself through issue. I hope that okay about the kind of the whole pump of the Trinity and kind of like the Ghanaian Ellicott city can also reconcile the opinions of the early church fathers is that you know about Jesus was was was what was he created her with the coeternal you could say well is essence with coeternal but his body was created in the LOA it kind of the kindest fades away little dozen because we sing God's complex and is unity and he reveals himself through his son. So for example in Exodus 24 on Mount Sinai, which is they saw the God of Israel and ate and drank and any didn't put forth his hand hurt themselves they should of died because they saw God in them can see God and lived with it, but it didn't strike them. This is a vision they saw God of Israel. The eight and they drank. Did they see God or not. Well, I would take my minute approach which done remarkable summary of that word, seeing in Hebrew could also mean understanding or envisioning the same way when you have a like Genesis chapter 3 chapter 2 in chapter 3 with talk about Adam and Eve that their eyes were opened and they realize they were naked and he may know they were naked before.

The only difference was that they understood that there doing something wrong, even though I say come up on the mountain and then it says they saw him they ate, and he drank he didn't strike them. Why would you strike them as they had spiritual understanding and can you see how well my minor theology is now dictating the change in the plain meaning of the text which is one of my issues with traditional Judaism. Well, we all agree that this anthropomorphic more from an attack about regarding regarding coming closer to a higher amount than I mean there are there are also the concept of not just envisioning and sitting back and being a philosopher electric doing something in Judaism so we do have we do have to have a temple we do have to offer sacrifice. We do have to do much about the commandment so it is not just that I have to just be a euro sitting in your bedroom and having visions of God have to do something regarding the eating and drinking, Maimonides understands that at meaning that that they were they were not actually taking it seriously when when you when your understanding vision of God. He should be just doing regular mundane things you should be totally focused on leading a classroom so you really think that they could go on Mount Sinai have this revelation of God in their just kind of chilling studies and makes sense. His reading of the text is well were saying that they had a communal meal in his presence will kill hello, I don't think I will pick up the communal meal. I believe that they were kind of chilling I plug God was upset about the book and so does the text, and he was say he was upset that Sissy didn't strike them right.

Well, why would he strike them because you and I like to see God and he gave him the privilege of seeing God's kind of adopted me. I think it's more like that big.

They angered him, and despite that he didn't strike them. I suggest just to be clear, it says they saw God but didn't really see him correct all the words you can. In the Hebrew Bible many times mean understanding gaining gaining wisdom as they spread. If God wanted to express that they literally saw him. How else would you set it he would take away certain certain concepts that he talks about things that have no form restaurant has a form he really has a form that was on a member's 12. Note this is a dozen forms that you can see the form he forces you can see the form rights to states there any regard to continue this, but you never break, grab your Tanakh if you have it and look it at numbers 12 okay and see what it says about Moses and the twin of the Lord right seat suits is about Moses see more I stereo the right to friends and get in on the conversations 866. Spell line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown. Your voice is more cultural and spiritual revolution. Here again is Dr. Michael Brown. This is said hello and flashing from Lamb sacrifice Lamb right back to Manny in Brooklyn so numbers 12, it says that Moses saw the two not of the Lord.

The Bible is a synagogue doesn't have a form but that the Israelites as a whole it. Mount Sinai didn't see it but what he hundred that that it's is most so the form of the Lord. Well, I don't think first of all, numbers 12 and best served by could go to talk about that God didn't not have a form I probably look up from her problem in Isaiah chapter 40 somewhere in that sort of sweat with the goat that what what type of the most would you give to God or something of that sort, but about about about numbers 12.

I would assume as talking about him talking about Moses seeing God back in Exodus 33 that I believe.

I believe that is them that it's it's it's anthropomorphic that you can't see the faith which is a much more clear an indication of what a person's feelings are emotions are, but you can only see their back. You can only see a general outline of the basic out of you can't see God in his fullness fine.

I cannot understand someone, someone who is infinite, but he could understand aspects of substance limit. Let me ask you this if I'm just reading the text itself. You think I come to the conclusions of the most is my motto. These new mind blowing my mind. Really she said that the reason he doesn't believe God is a form of difficult but from a philosophical argument but in the combine and then I see was that he was a rationalist applying rationalistic arguments and as you know some of his books were burned. This radical bypass of the Jews of his of his generation talk today. People tell me not to read it right right course and of course she's you know that the Mishnah Torah and and and several mitzvot know these are standard works in the written recent new theme.

As you mentioned God for the perplexed, but that the fact is all I'm saying is I just, with the text says reiterated over and over like Isaiah 6 where he sees the Lord the thing's gonna die because P6 because he sees the words in the presence of of of a holy God.

And we know that that no human being can see him in his fullness.

And that's the whole thing that the sun makes no so hot. How do we put these together that we say that God is complex and is unity there is one God and one got only the father. The source of all things remains hidden in glory. New Testament plainly says no one is seeing God or can see God's John one first Timothy six and other passages. He dwells in unapproachable light, which no one can see but we see plainly. He is seen many times he seen in bodily form in Genesis 18 the scene on Mount Sinai in in Exodus 24 he seen in Isaiah 6 by the prophet into the passages and then you mentioned seeking Exodus 33 you see my back and says the Lord loses the Lord passes by the Lord passes by and declares who he is, was very essence and nature seems more this back to be honest in terms of if you want make it philosophical and and now we just see through the person of Yeshua that the expression of God that the the Lagos, the member, the word of the Lord takes in human form. So God does not cease being God.

He remains God's throne in heaven, but takes in human form through his son and walks among us. When children expression of God in me that is part of which one says that the word, the member of the Lagos became flesh walked among us. We beheld his glory to glory is that the one and only of the father accident. Why stop there. Keep going on and you have you have many passages and in and in the Old Testament that you know indicate that God commanded thing. Deuteronomy chapter 4 verse 20 forces for the Lord your God is a consuming fire notes out, so why not just say that God is a fire. After all, that's what came down to Mount Sinai and awning we could say ain't storyteller okay no there there is no rock like our God and also God of the rocket and we could pull out some public passages that talk about the ebb and shift the other rock that you know is in the center of the world all creation came from and we could just keep building and building that do no more complexity and God unity in why do you stop a three all this is not okay everyone you talk about the many different ways in which God could reveal himself or what he could speak through you can speak through a storm he could speak through an earthquake right he could speak in many different ways he can speak through voice to the many different ways in which God can speak and reveal himself with who he is, in terms of his very essence of a dozen safety so that the the fire that that you saw God in terms of a communal relational way like I Genesis 18 aware were God communes with Abraham, but we get father-son spirit from other passages in wheat we see that God is unseen.

Yet we see he is seen and then we see the activity of the spirit. The rule which is clear, not just power because the spirit teaches spirit guides the spirit speaks the spirit can be grieved, so based on the evidence of Scripture we see God is made himself known to us as father-son spirit, one God may notice father-son spirit. But what was it fundamentally that you object to and I was like why couldn't that be true.

Well you like camping through as is John White. Like why must you reject that as a Jew while because that that that making retrospective that is a big problem thing I God is not only one I mean if you're saying that they are part of something or it cannot be infinite, but a classic proof as so is there something is something that nonsensical actually just a flowing problem that Maimonides, if you look at my my 13 principles of faith is no commandment there to believe in a God is only a commandment to you know him. One of the principal of the believe what God what God does, that he control the hole in the universe that he gave his one you know that you have nobody or whatever it is that the concept is a belief in God is just a very pure rationalistic bank to me that the way that I know is a prime cause unmoved mover just soak so basic that I just can't see and accept the doctrine that no father stuff up. Once it was fuzzy. I mean, you have no problem see nonmember is not God is an expression of God like I am. I'm an expression of God, I mean in Kabbalah. They say that that I'm also a member of God that that all creation of a member of God is not. But did you create the universe because it according to the targums. The member created universe taken I'm not the mess nonmember words it according to Genesis 28 Jacob says that the member of the Lord will be my God, yeah, but again the idea of member of the garden and Kabbalistic ideas is that the member create different things and those words still are and it any of the essence of the thing are the word so so has only got most of the members only one creator see it to see the funny thing is you're willing to have all these idolatrous views were you become somewhat godlike resumption emphasizes one God and one got only in your file. I don't want to be guarding all these pieces and places I want to be worshiped. I don't want anyone worshiping the show, not on anyone worshiping a rabbi that on anyone worshiping the temple. I want to get what I want people to just, you know, worship the God of Israel. After all, be infinite being the unmoved mover.

That's all okay so this will delay my worship and it has these reveal themselves. The soon when I worship I die before I'd worship anyone other than him. So in Exodus 25 rate God gives instructions to Moses. Most of the salespeople bus to the McDonald's recess on TV telecom and make for me a century recess 20 and I will dwell in the midst didn't God himself actually dwell in the midst of his people again your whole capital dwelling in God fill the heavens on Europe and another from Jeremiah 23 everything is a guy that was of screen or something that God will rest is present. Of course it to you if you were thing I will dwell here in element that's that's constantly used. I mean no you think you could mess with you would die because of this account mess if you mess with something that's expressing God more than something else in your you're trying to distort the expression on its dangerous see if I walk into my house and I'm on pure that's not a problem.

But if I did in the temple of the probably good I'm trying to the file and make something that's supposed to be expressing all innocent of the explicit as mundane. The presence of God is not God now know the same way, the same either heavens and the earth is not God, even we are not God's presence. He reveals his glory, saying that he not all the residents ladle heavens and the earth, but that same concept applies that anything else Angel as well. I mean anything that's not the infinite that have a form that has a limit cannot be God.

It could be an expression of God, but can't be God. I meant to be on it, but I guess I shouldn't condemn you as a idolater I condemn you as someone who has mathematic medical paradoxes have to be infinite be divided that the problem is not divided is one God, one on socially managed to don't you think it's problematic that you try to squeeze God into your little brain or my little brain that were trying to wrap the eternal God, the one in Isaiah 5715 shows a nod and inhabits eternity. The one who is from alum to Alonso EE eternal no beginning in the land you try to squeeze them into little human mathematical philosophical formulations that that fallen people have come up with them does not this trouble. You this is that no not at all because mathematics or science that there is no argument about that. I put it this way I can argue with you about Isaiah 53 and we could argue that interpretation and you could probably like we did with mom to fill the left side and you could agree that I have a point here and I can agree you have a point there. But when mathematics we can argue to put two equals five and an eye if they got what you have appointed you have a point there. It doesn't work that way is excellent so right, so the spirits so 10 spirits and you know how far they can get and call ballistic language and all of that system is just not one God well and when he talks about God being three and yet one you not have a problem with that and I don't have a problem with the with the atomic thing you throw your rights to which a group of graduate is relevant and the Karen God is the one that when you talk of the spirit actually would be good if someone would look at the companies are usually people stay in prayer before the Florida the credit service before the Sabbath Shabbos that the it says there that always tense Vero cannot be separated, one from another gift is not possible.

The father son and Spirit want one God and Goddess made himself known to us is this father-son spirit, one God, and explains these dismay texts are a worship one God and one God only. I don't worship of the physical expression or physical building but I worship one God hate listen will will have to continue the conversation unhappy do it in in the future, gladly calling again or if you're generally interested in contracting more, you know, we could talk off off the year of you have a contact us but bottom line, i.e. I just went to Texas they saw God or God spoke or taken literally responses. People also indicate that is literally God but hey if you understand who she was expression of God for where they released on the track that we can continue to talk about hey thank you for calling her plan in the Expo line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown get into the line of fire now by calling 866-34-TRUTH here again is Dr. Michael Brown and in various radios and thoroughly Thursday why I could talk to like Manny all day and all night.

What would an excellent call and if you still after listening so glad you called and took a lot longer on the phone limit that I normally do with a call because the importance of the subject and one gives us an opportunity to dialogue. The two of us right now in the midst of a busy schedules but never to its educational for those listening and those watching because Manny represents a thoughtful Jewish perspective and someone that's read the scriptural text and that's rest was the meaning. And this is read the commentaries and and the various approaches to things and is as thought issues through so II appreciate that, but… Think about this for one moment, the idea that God himself transcendent, formless, and everything that we encounter on the earth is at best an expression of God instead of God himself so that that would be Manny's position so Genesis 18 when it says the Lord appeared, Yahweh appeared to to Abraham and then you read the account is clearly Yahweh in and to angels in the trench was going to saw the beginning of Genesis 19. While Abraham is extended discussion with Yahweh at the end of the 18th chapter then and then Yahweh at least goes his way, that I said it's obvious that the sun in human form and Manny's position would be what was expression of God in human form and and and so on through all the other things that we would look at politically just hang onto that concept for a moment that is not God coming out in human form. In Jesus, but an expression of God.

Manny said the presence of God itself is his own expression of God. The shifting the manifest presence of God is not actually God, but just an expression of God will so let's think through John one in the beginning was the word, which is the Aramaic member because that's often used in that the target was the Aramaic translation/paraphrases of the Hebrew Bible that were used in the synagogues were Hebrew is not spoken or fully understood and now Aramaic translation was used because they refer to the member. All I can Genesis 20 and I referenced where Jacob says to the Lord if if you go with me on my journey and be in an take care of me.

Then the member of the Lord will be my God it's it's almost as if God being so transcendent when you're interacting in this personal way or God in the manifest.

When this world through his member through his word expression of of of him right in the beginning was the member in the member was with God in the memo was God is with God. And yet God and everything skated through him.

Violence would very much be like follows Lagos and in the. The target make member and then then get down to verse 14 and the member was made flesh as a gob is made flesh, because that that would be as if he sees being God in heaven.

That's why said that were not that far apart.

Manny lies much, as were very far apart middle of the work method for part, the member of the Lord is made flesh, the world was made flesh, we beheld his glory to glory is that when the leave father was inverse 18th noticing God is a time right but the the only God is going Sims in the bosom of the father, he has made him known. So it's that's what said no one seen God, but the word has made him known. That's ultimately what's being said so it's another four-part and those of you that that have a heart to see Jewish people come to faith in you should pray for Manny. He's taking time to read the book and call in. So I take it there's genuine interest was.

He may be 100% sure he's right and and feels deeply on wrong and was to expose my views but either way I take him to be a serious seeker of truth, so spotless. Pray that God would fully reveal this truth for from any all right. Let's go to Richmond, Virginia Joseph, thanks for holding welcome to the line of fire. Hey Dr. Brown I speak in Florida. Note for a very good Pergamon brother-in-law mentor. The parent document very much me in my life. He has suddenly from a massive stroke and he's done things is Jewish. As I was raised Christian, I'm spoke out his Jewishness. Father's funeral. I spoke out a lot of funerals and his family. We've spoken several times about Christian faith and the things she's done.

His life is kind of been like Oscar Schindler and rebar the things that on or about people in this life after hand them over to see when he passed away 6768. What a shame to suddenly yeah just retired. Not too long ago when I'm hoping there's a word to express start, but generosity that he's had for a meeting she would it would work like certain weeks in advance for Christmas bonuses course employees when a small company get dirty things like to I'm talking like 60 employees.

Our Christmas bonus of $1000 as a sacrifice yet that the there's not to my knowledge just to Hebrew words that would encapsulate the selfless giving generosity, but Psalm 112 would be a great text to use that's that's a picture of a righteous person in the lending in the giving and the helping and in the heart of for others. So, some take a look Joseph it's Psalm 112 and see if that fits in terms of your that's that's who this man really was and how he lived in and see if that is a good text for you. Psalm 112 okay I appreciate that. I'll be looking about just very few moment. Thank you God bless you and I listen to you regularly and I really appreciate you taking time to document a Mexico Joanne Joseph made may the Lord come for your heart in the midst of the grief and the shock and in the he use your words to comfort and help Manny make me many have their hearts turned to Lord and his goodness through the so God bless you and and thanks thanks for allowing us to be part of this the sacred moment of you know I I think it's so important friends that we get past the stereotypes that we often have about each other and often it's it's very challenging when aura stereotypes get threatened that maybe you have a certain caricature that all Muslims are like Osama bin Laden. And that's just who you think they are that they're all Isis terrorists are tallow bad Al Qaeda on and any Muslim that tells you they're not there lying and then you have some neighbors moving in the Muslim family. They they are tremendously devoted to one another as a family and if you get to talk to about their faith. The very devout you find out they absolutely report terrorism in that you shake your little it's funny. Muslims like that tiny muscles like that for me growing up in a nominal Jewish home, my knowledge of Judaism is very superficial. You go to synagogue on Saturday morning and going to see maybe 200 people and sometimes you can even have 10 men for the official service. The minion is called number 10 and my dad will get an emergency call. He continued Gabe can get over and in the chill off for the services that have 10 then high holy days and build annex extorted seated on the 400 people or more 500 people and because the high holidays. It would be packed in her just like your local church should nominal church in Christmas, Easter is packed out in the snow to the rest of the year. That's a kind Judaism. I grew up with, so I got saved. Now if this is real faith and that these people are so devoted church night after night praying for hours and in the word share interface everybody this the real thing and then I met religious Jews who absolutely did not believe what I believed, but seem to be like me in terms of their orientation to God, I mean the talking spiritual things with me and Amber going back and forth and so on and and and you know it.

There was in a sincerity in and that seemed to be a desire to honor God and please salmon it really screwed me because I had not met religious Jews had not met religious Jews. There really gets interacted like that. Maybe if I did meet a religious do we me the country are your Jesus whenever he gets in the who they were and you know maybe you know you have characters but atheists or others I will you know because if if there is no God and there is no absolute good, so there's no good or evil. So atheism breaks down. We have a philosophical argument every minute atheists to global philosophical argument there was really care about poor and the needy and the hurting and be very genuine people and they should have a better thickness of the church people we can get past her stereotypes and and try to see the best is this one rabbi once it is not set right for us to compare the the best of our faith with the worst of someone else's yeah there is hypocrisy there is junk in this the reasons that I'm not a Muslim. The reason is not an atheist. The reason is not a traditional Jew, obviously yet yet I recognize that the caricatures in the stereotypes are often just that caricatures stereotypes get to know people. The real world get them to stay with her coming from.

Have God's heart of love for them and then present the truth, because nothing and no one can come against the truth like tomorrow not answer on this