The Drive with Josh Graham - NC State

I drive welcome to the official slowest day of summer 2019.

No baseball, no basketball, no anything right as we were going off the air yesterday. The NCAA's freshly dead of a summer content that meet NC State announcing that it had received the notice of allegation stemming from the FBI's college basketball probe including level I allegations and charges of former head coach Mark Gottfried and then assistant Orlando early who has been charged with paying Dennis Smith Junior $40,000 through a bagman in order to get DS J to Raleigh for his one and only season with the Wolfpack. The biggest question we need to have answered today and that were not going to have answered. I'd imagine for some time to questions really why NC State first why is NC State. The first domino to fall here does the NCAA do this because they feel like they have a slamdunk case with the Wolfpack that they feel like they might be the one to set the precedent here. They feel so confident in the Wolfpack case Gottfried in an early that they rolled them out as the first domino, and the more important question who's going to get the brunt of it here. Coaches or the institutions because based off the charges and allegations the way that I read it. It appears the NCAA is focusing its sites on the coaches, which means while this is not good news by any means for NC State fans. It does appear the targets are the coaches which could mean NC state might catch a break. This is the strategy for NC State were already seeing it unfold. We fired all the guilty parties. Gottfried's not here anymore either. His early if you have a look in the institution. Debbie Iles gone and boo Corrigan's in place as the new director of athletics now.

The reason Mark Gottfried was fired because they went 15 and 17 within a Smith Junior informed 14 and conference boy and early of course got fired along with Gottfried and Debbie Al retired. Was it because of the wrongdoing Debbie out at the time decided we need to change in the basketball program. It was more performance-based, but Mark Gottfried he's a Cal State Northridge now, so if the NCAA wants to send a message by hammering all of these college basketball coaches whether it be Gottfried will way to LSU Sean Miller at Arizona Bill self at Kansas they could still go about doing it and say they got a current coach. There is a chance NC State might come out of this. Not unscathed, you're gonna have to probably do away with all the wins in 2016 2017.

You might even go under probation plots. That is something you would certainly sacrifice over scholarships being limited a postseason band, especially this year with Markel Johnson returning at NC State looking like it's going to make the NCAA tournament. The strategy for NC State is this. We ensured they knew the rules while they were here. We had no idea early was trying to wire money through Adidas through this middleman getting to Dennis Smith, Junior in order to bring in players. We had no idea that was happening. We did our due diligence and letting these coaches know what the rules were that's essentially what NC State said yesterday in a statement that we didn't break the rules here.

The coaches did.

And based off the charges before that were levied by the NCAA and the notice of allegations to level I charges that seem to be focused on Gottfried in early two level II charges which used to be far more insignificant, but when rolled up with all these level I charges. We really don't know how they're going to be handled.

The level II charges having a lot to do with parking passes getting the Dennis Smith Junior that being in NCAA violation that might be all that gets pegged against the school. I didn't see lack of institutional control in these allegations so that might be good news.

Tar Heel fans are well familiar with that expression, lack of institutional control NC state is it taking any chances in its defense. They have hired the same law firm North Carolina use to stave off the NCAA.

However, you're not only staving off the NCAA.

If your NC state this time around. You're also defending yourself against the FBI, which did the investigating.

A lot of times the NCAA botched cases cases we felt like they really had an opportunity to send a message and Joe Paterno where they were heavy-handed against Penn State. Then had to recoil and lessen the punishments a euro to win Miami with the Schapiro investigation him being the booster that was so close to Miami. It seemed like they could've hammered the hurricane, but there's a self-imposed postseason band for Miami and some less than ethical investigation practices the NCAA has to suspend its case and let Miami off essentially scot-free.

The FBI did the investigating here. They have resources. The NCAA hat does not such a subpoena a subpoena power. So with that and just their overall far better ability to investigate its tougher for me to imagine schools shaking free using the same expectations we have for the NCAA in 2019 with the FBI involved to say five years ago with the Cox going to join us to give us more details on this. He's from the Raleigh news and Observer award-winning columnist who's already been writing about this, as many are today. Pat, 40, also a guest on today's show national college sports columnist from Yahoo sports Desmond Johnson, the producer of this program. NC State will not alone but NC State student intern Nick hanging out in the house here. Yesterday's news should terrify Kansas Arizona LSU and Auburn because once I saw level I infractions towards Gottfried towards the coaches. My feeling on it is that's the precedent were going to see moving forward that the NCAA is not going for the programs they are going for these coaches who have been so evasive in these cases over the years.

Remember Rick Patino. It was the first domino to fall with the FBI investigation. It just became too much with the stripper allegations and then everything with the $100,000 reportedly be an offer to that Bowen kid, it became too much that Louisville just decided to slap a chance they were done with this were done defending Patino were going to move on here but remember, they couldn't get Patino before we don't know if he knew anything we can't prove he knew about the stripper. So were going to let them off every single case that we were curious to see if it was going to involve the head coach over the last 10, 15 years it feels like they found a way to get out of it because the NCAA could never prove that the coach knew about it, even with North Carolina and Roy Williams in the air and asked them, and Butch Davis. While that's a little bit different and I don't care to rehash all the FM issues here. It seems to me the NCAA is going to use its bullets and the ammunition to try and get some big time coaches they feel that's the way to send a message in college basketball to not Sean Miller doubted to knock down will way to pack Bruce Pearl would all burn Bill self even at Kansas.

Now I feel like Kansas will be able to fight back and that will be the most interesting one to see. I don't know how much LSU after already suspending will wait how much say even Arizona where there's already a great deal of doubt within the Regents board and whether Sean Miller is innocent or guilty, how much they're going to be willing to defend their coach.

So this is the first domino plot. I suspect in the next month or so. What were going to be talking about our coaches. That's with the NCAA is going for here and out of all the schools I just mentioned there's only one that recruited players improperly at a place he's no longer at and that's Mark Gottfried, which might be a blessing in disguise for NC state. Now it's far from good news. You might have to revoke winds but if you're at NC State fan do you take that 336-777-1600 because you're losing 15 wins and you're losing only four conference wins four and 14 within a Smith Junior now one of those ways was against Duke, which means if it is to place it took again, you can't say that they won that game. You can't say NC State beat Duke within a Smith Junior they now have not beaten if it gets taken away, wiped off the board that entire season. 1670 goes wins NC state still will not have beaten Duke in Cameron since 1995 yesterday so I just finished reading the those allegations just got done reading this 12 pages 12 pages 12 pages long. Right here vulnerability around 12 afternoon three.

This was a lot of new stuff in there. The Dennis bookstores been out for over a year to leave, known bits and pieces were walking were going off the air yesterday when this first came down, we had all this information and this entire segment I'm looking over your reading. This is the time you chose to read it before the show started. My point was over what from offer what you're saying. I went back to go look at any kind of situation that might be similar to what in the state may be facing in the closest thing to it is 1988 Kansas where Larry Brown left after that.

See they won a national championship game ending over with force Larry Brown leaves that off-season and in Kansas gets hit with a three-year probation from NCAA due to major violations with improper recruiting contacts proper travel payments… You can almost say Wednesday state that is worse than what Kansas actually did back in 1988 there was no lack of institutional control and five of the bylaws of NCAA fact, I think this case which allowed them to create that very thing. The kids didn't have a lack of institutional control in their charges, but this is the closest thing I can find that might give you some sort of idea of what it is that could potentially face McCandless were able to still plated.

I think they loss of scholarships, but the main issue that they ended up getting was that they were banned for postseason for three years and has because Roy Williams took over for Larry Brown. Immediately after that a non-season had rebuilt the program for it.

I could see NC State being banned from postseason play a couple of really don't know that we we just really we don't know yet we don't know what to expect but they haven't levied the charges against the school. It seems that all of these have been focused on the coaches, which is different than even what you have with Kansas in 1988 even more different than that is not exact, is not exact carbon copy note which is grossing the closest thing I could find to it to give it lease NC State fan some sort of idea of what may happen.

Now the time came for the death penalty for what they were doing, which was considerably, far less than Wednesday. State did, but this is the NCAA let them off the game probation instead that could be something similar to what they end up doing well if you stay test done probation before Jim Alano circuits that choose gear and stuff summing. It is not like they haven't been on the watchlist of NCAA in the past is just a matter of like you said is NCAA decide to make an example of the school and all the muck that we seen with these other schools get involved with this to the FBI stuff and punish the school or do they punish the coach and let the school off Scott free up tax just how close I am was to returning to Duke for a second season. This is the drive live with Josh, and I am 600 9/21 on the Board of Trustees will efficiently allow alcohol sales at NC State Stadium, Belgium, recently also introducing old Kentucky Lager got the NC state logo and company on the beer can all sound like it was good to be good in Raleigh yesterday. Right when we were getting off the air. We learned that NC State had real see the notice of allegations from the NCAA was level I infractions involved in that as well. Somebody has been covering this as well as anybody look to Kok now joining us.

The award-winning columnist from the Raleigh news and Observer on Twitter at Luke Taconic. It's good to have you back on the triad. Look how are you.that there are a lot of things I want to get to very and in a short amount of time so will get to a number of topics year.

Let's start with just what signal you think this sends do you read the NOA as a sign that the NCAA is more focused on punishing the coaches than the schools actually under your know whatever note is really thinking. But the fact that it went for probably one of the work you have one player one code one payment that came up at trial testimony so you can see what you might hear and we can extrapolate from the notice of allegation where the NPA headed know it it very coach spoke targeted out early act. Gottfried there's some minor secondary violation involving day.

But there is no failure of monitor charge. There's basically no accountability whatsoever for the University whereas Gottfried held accountable for planned orderly fashion and nobody data held accountable for Gottfried so yelp can be. To the extent that you could critically think that you'll like the NPA has decided not surprisingly. You focus on individuals that are usually punished and not to tinker with the spigot that close money back big time college basketball programs directly so probably good news for Canon Louisville in Arizona. If I were Sean Miller or Bill felt for Rick Aquino. I'd I'd be extremely concerned right now that any wiretap that I showed up on any money in court. I used to get me by the NPA.

And you know I think if I were Mark Gottfried Boyer what the only evidence against early testimony of the informant. The picture turned informant as far as we know, and there's no indication that there is no physical evidence all my life would be held accountable for monitoring someone where you wouldn't even know about work for the FBI. I would like to know about fascinating read to come out of, but to me the main one of the main factors we've all been waiting the how the NPA was handled.

If you and it made FBI stuff the trial out how the I think that we can tell from the federal way they're going after the what's the best case scenario for NC state here on you pretty big clock on the rent for the picketing violation, and you know probation may be scholarship per year and and bring the hammer down early and got show clock show cause order which would basically put them out about the telegraph early in already in the NBA. Gottfried obviously Cal State Northridge and in one of your death later this afternoon will will have plenty to say about that Cal State Northridge. Gottfried, a fine hailstone hailstorm Aquino certainly curious moved fatally and very occult to comprehend that with all the college coaches out there to help the young coaches who deserve a shot at head coach of the Division I level why you would take a guy's BME venture… We got a Lego. I think you probably could not have gone any better, print, date yelled. I'm sure boo Corgan's relationship with key people of the NPA probably didn't hurt and hired Don Jernigan king, the law firm that got into you and the off the hook so logically that the law that knows how to deal with the ASU and and and will be in PA, so there is a lot that went well with the date going first, probably was not ideal for the Wolfpack would probably prefer to read a barrage of ways for school that are going to have to have more going on but I think in a vacuum, pretty far from the worst-case scenario talks with us from the Raleigh news and Observer. Follow him on Twitter at Luke Taconic easier on the sports out. Unlike the Afghan scandal, the FBI did the leg work with the investigation and they have far more resources than the NCAA possesses with a subpoena power and and other things with the FBI's help. Do you think the NCAA has more ammunition to send a message with these allegations, these notices of allegation. Learn the old rewrite commission, they would have gone back and re-interview TJ got to know what and we okay people will pray one thing in court and another Nancy is really no recourse for that in case the NPA. You're the right commission recommendation allow the NPA court.

The money and not have to go and reinterview reinvestigate everything wouldn't exist without those changes and any kind of speculation.

Here is a little futile because we we build entirely new era in PA government there really is no precedent.

There is no practice here and they never would've been able to you before, so you know that we can make proper conclusions based on what the NCAA have gone in the past and what this NOA looks like, but it really is hard to know what can happen other than to say your question directly that never would've been able to even that brought before without an NPA got that alone is very different from what we've seen before. In addition to covering the NC state you cover the Carolina hurricanes as well. The Sebastian match offer was something that we talked about at length last weekend and it's the first time someone offered someone an offer sheet restricted free agent in six years, the Montréal Canadiens, trying to bring in our home in the hurricanes.

Of course, matching how do you assess that and also the other moves the hurricanes made this summer. How do you assess the summer as a whole are unbelievably boneheaded. No way that they can make that work going to match that of money. The pain, the overall number by probably what it would win and determine what they wanted, but the turbid find a lot of really good years down the road with them at a reasonable number for that period of time. I've no idea what the Canadians were trying to accomplish and maybe pander to their family.

They hear look what we tried to do and all it did was take away from leverage for NHL restricted free agent.

I pretty self defeating. You may think up a way to hurt about it actually were relieved that the offer she didn't put them in a position that would be difficult for them to match to a certain extent, the Canadian got caught up in the room or mail out and and ended up underestimating what people who know that he doesn't like to spend money. We absolutely will when he Certainly a case of that.

He's not short of it and guided through a $70 million to gamble on the football league is not shy away from pain. Sebastian will money you have to pay them anyway, respected, set up the negotiation of anything else the Canadian favor the former. Both sides were kind of poking around.

They could do better before sort of ending up back at each other and find out the correct Meckling. You have to be another one kind of on his own, not splitting time so you're going if you could do that will be fine. The goaltending number two situation. Because you got James Lambert got Wartburg to Chicago in the Don trade they got out the document you really have done everything he could do with the HL level point shot to show what he can do in the NHL year to work out number two situation that number 100 hard for a lot of fans understand. I struggled with a little bit to I think with the perspective and from time to make a little more think they find in really to be effective.

Different function they would trade one of their right shot different from last summer and they never did and it turned out for God, your Hamilton pocket and patching play the could play pretty well together.

So, going even specially with his shoulder. If you have 1/3 pairing guy is making too much for that, and you find in the concert structured that the treated after the after the second year they wanted to escape the shoulder issues and the weight of the backing up that timetable up your your God guide people like people to understand the financial aspect of that when the return of a number two goalie… Defenseman doesn't seem like a lot, but you know that the foregoing to be picked up in the traded salary for that click 78 lot Forsberg goalie they like have potential to be a number one is worth the gamble that they like Valerie give the money to deal with in our time or money to deal with our offers. You got Eric Holle from the golden night you guys who before his injury was with a really furtive upper-level for my height and that the position where they really needed more help than anything to get a little stronger down the middle and that format watch Lucas while working on the fourth line you got an okay car like that are really good for quite better you all I can score your question is the verity of the knee injury recovery from out of quantity can come back at a level where he was before he does give them another really youthful countrymen.

The complacent special pain and then down the middle of the pressure off about you now from the pressure off Jordan faltered, enable both of those guys play better working. Haven't done a lot, but they also have walked a lot like a pro over the complete contractor after the trade deadline.

You got your Q well then I can admit the record with him about an actor.

There you know that they've done something that are very flashy but kept everything in place. That's really what they needed to do.

They like 13 I think it's going to get better and added a key piece in all our end and now the important thing for them and the playoff drought last year. People forget what happened. Back to back your 2000. So there's another thing to look.

It's crazy to think that today is the slowest day in the sports calendar because next week we will be in Charlotte Wednesday and Thursday for ACC kickoff in three weeks from today is the start of the Wyndham championship in Greensboro will be broadcasting live from there. So I'm sure we'll be seeing you sometime soon. Look up to a recruiter, you got see you look at what the cost Raleigh news and Observer on Twitter at Luke Taconic as he could tell has a lot of information on NC state Carolina hurricanes Rita stuff news observer.com.

And of course, again on Twitter at Luke. The Kok coming up the summer sports radio playbook here on the drop is 609. 20. Now back to the drive with Josh Graham. Every year, you're bound to see one of these topics pop up there. Others that are budding Hall of Famer's that haven't quite been inducted yet, but these three for sure are slamdunk Hall of Fame summer topics number one how to fix baseball every single year every single year that shows good to be done. You need to have the game sped up, you need to have a runner start at second base in extra innings of the game doesn't go along like minor-league baseball.

You need to get rid of umpires you need to do this you need to have more marketable stars. Mike Trout needs to do more commercials now that Mookie Batts every single year were going to have the how to fix baseball conversation.

I believe till the end of time, and it only happens in July because there's nothing else going on in NFL football or the NBA or college sports. So we'll talk about how to fix baseball number two soccer is coming. Soccer is going to be a major American sport every year. No doctors. The future NBA soccer is good to be the future in FL. Remember, your ago or make it make it one century ago, the most popular sports were baseball horseracing and boxing. 50 years from now it could be soccer soccer soccer soccer. That's what happened. I ever since Beckham arrived before that was Pelé in the 70s.

I keep hearing about how soccer is to make this torrential phase into consciousness and take over the NFL and the NBA.

I dare you. As of the summer talking about, especially in a World Cup year soccer making a comeback Hall of Fame sports radio summer topic and lastly, without fail, usually early August or in the middle of July.

I expect this in the next few weeks. Somebody is going to notice. There are enough black coaches in football or infant bill in the sport right people are going to all my gosh realize that owners a lot of them are white dudes and a lot of people hire people that look like them, general managers, most of them white dudes and working to get to the point, usually in the past it was Tony Dundee space on the ESPN main screen but in years past, it's been Mike Tomlin, maybe even a Hugh Jackson mixed in their were going to get to the point in the summer where somehow we just now realized and we have to shocked reaction every year that there are a lot of black coaches in the sport.

Those are three Hall of Fame summer sports topics guaranteed not to fail every year you're gonna see them were talking about sports, movies. I believe the best sports movies or baseball movies. They deserve their own category. I don't think we have any great football movies but that's a point of contention, the control room believes that remember the Titans any given Sunday blindside their great sports movies. I think the good Rudy, I probably saved the best football movie and I think it's it's good it's good not great, not in the same category as bull Durham Field of dreams, or even Moneyball in the last 15 years with Todd in Jamestown. Your thoughts welcome 336-777-1600 and on Twitter at sports are dry up Todd what you got for me what I have for you is there a little younger though you may not have seen the movies, or even heard of them but the best football movie hands down Google and look it up on IMDb advising tomatoes and it will have a high rating. It was critically acclaimed North Dallas 40 really good movie considered a great movie like that one, then it felt like that a lot because it shows a lot of the 35 of the game and I say that the longer your the one Burt Reynolds is a great movie yet. Yeah definitely moving but not valid. 40 you got a put it in there I think so much.

The movie came out in the late 70s averted. It never seen it getting this and FROM Philip on twitter just I'D like the picture Philip sitting in his car and yelling.

This at first from nobody else to listen, yelling at his radio before grabbing his phone safely. Of course, part in tweeting this and HE just written rights and with no other contact. It's fine. Not great, it's fine that goes to the good category. It's fine but were doing the thing that usually happens during the summertime we get into the sports movie route and then all of a sudden the phone lines flood with people wanting to talk about sports movies. The thing that we tried to push against in the name of being the original work going back into the same routers. That's where were headed, but go to Charlie in Trinity who wants in on sports movies. Charlie drawn the sports hub what you got Charlie go ahead I will not a lot we got on sports movies for that one guy Thunderbird allowed Norco 42 bar golf movie you can think up in their that that of course gives it to the funny movie category. Thanks so much for the call, but in terms of the recyclable news stories, recyclable summer sports topics.

I think it's tough to beat, how to fix baseball, soccer, taking over America. Eventually, even though that's been the take for 15 years.

Recently in the before that in the 70s with Pelé, a popular topic before sports radio is thing and then somebody just magically fit figures out that there's not a lot of black coaches and football and were still trying to figure out that problem but every year it gets brought up and it's always during the summer when things are slow always seems to be that way. Joe Wiles can adjoin a speaking of movies sending movie lines at sports untried that we can work in.

Can we get to Joe's work very quickly here from last week. This is on the – broadcast a good listener – baseball 7 o'clock right here on the sport sub and every every single Thursday and Joe works in movie lines that you, the audience sends an anything Nagel's them and to his play-by-play things out and got her back in five minutes just wait longer some overacting in his voice there if not back in five minutes just squeezing I'm Jim Carrey.

Just wait longer be over after of the century, the best over there and all things movies try to do Jim. Dad threat to be the next movie line on the outside corner 5 mph raise.

After catching a baseball nodding in approval, would mean almost as if to say we go. It's is going to say is why men can't jump another underrated sports movie you could send in lines that you would like Joe to work it to the broadcast later on tonight at sports untried on twitter. Joe will join us in just a little bit. Let's go to Gary in Greensboro also wants in on sports movies. Gary what you have in the way. Actually, did we already get to Jeff Jeffers before we get to Gary.

I brought up sports topics that I think are just classic sports radio summer topics that are recyclable.

Every single year. Jeff what you have to nominate on this list all like the bigger your AP football program got this one of my favorite segments we've done. I thank you for the call.

By the way where the preseason list comes out.

I hate preseason polls. There are always three or four frauds. Usually there 63 or four easily identify identifiable ones last year.

I remember Virginia Tech fans got mad at me. I said Virginia Tech not to be any good there in the preseason top 25 DirectDraw Virginia Tech fans got a lot of gave me a lot of heat and hear from the much after the season ended their first losing season since the George H. W. Bush administration so will do that when the preseason top 25 comes out Gary in Greensboro. What you got on sports movies.

Gary were doing all right.

My one call that baseball game you like like about traveling to make that movie always were probably what movie is that the Vin Scully's calling game. Over the course of course scores Kevin Costner deserves on category two. I think that stuff is always from the phone caller put together these movie lines for Joe. My hair still purple day for doesn't look any different than it has the previous days. Yes it's it's even darker than it was yesterday that you are two days ago would you say is, here's a little more purple.

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I haven't even told you guys about brought. I my hair is purple right now and the way the sill works. We have a lot of different perspectives on the show Dez.

He's in his 40s and he's he's married, has children, single guy.

I'm still just kinda hanging out because I know work work with my career in such it's just that that's just something that hasn't really been a priority, but I forgot to tell you guys I have like a date tonight and I don't really know how this is going to go like I'm meeting someone later am no idea how it's good to go with the public on how to approach this subject is date was set up before after you started on your before it was purple, but after you made the bet to know yes but for the United States, 1C for me, dating is so different now than it was when I was out about about many streets.

I mean if you had purple hair. I don't think it's much different. Why would never do so.

All right. But no, I mean, it seems like it's for you guys. It's more about you guys don't meet each other the same way to literally get you set up and it's it's like a first first meeting type debits all swipe left swipe right but that's not what this is one of them will hook up some.

I hooked up with it warned them at a time for their ignorance of all I don't think they knew about the purple hair that person wanted to set me up with. So we got sure it's good to go poorly. I mean it depends where you were going to grab some drinks you're at the whole thought about where yeah but if you don't like you were purple hair than you don't deserve the like me without it.

That's that. That means that your think about keeping it longer than Friday with since tomorrow right yeah okay so I'm not keeping it longer than Friday.

Okay good for you this entire week, and it's going to be football centric getting prepared for a sissy kick off next we were to be broadcasting live in Charlotte Wednesday and Thursday, but also focusing on washing out my priming. If there is a great sense of humor, then she might get it. If she sees more funding in public with some irritation about the question I have is, is it that it's not like Joker level purple yet, which are, going that way.

Not that we have a picture of you from Monday. When you first edit we do we need to see that picture compared to what the way you look today.

I don't think you believe it's darker than it actually is.

But it really did you have a hip-hop air horn ready to go always threat a source flex pleaded in on Monday and he's reminding us now on twitter that his let's get crazy. Take was that I was going to have success with the ladies with purple hair that hasn't happened yet. So now well that's where if it does or will how you even need to let him know. I'm not sure if the come up again to be a member you want to be right. Congratulations, Mike brings up a good Hall of Fame sports topic for the summer the rows being in the whole thing steroids in baseball used to be.

I don't think people are even discussing Pete Rose anymore money more than you moved on to the 90s and early 2000 steroid users today than that, that's moved on. Even to work past that were now at the point where we don't care, and we are making a rod the biggest star in major league baseball to stick them on their one on, says Dez the person it doesn't care about baseball. I do energy stop on deck. Why I feel so badly for proud of NC State for this is the sports on your on the drive back. This is sports have 609 20 now back to the drive with Josh Graham and and trying to figure out what headline might your specific Carolina who North Carolina for Casey is big headline NC State. What this notice of allegations for the Wolfpack, but our next guest is Pat 40, few do it better than him in college sports Yahoo sports column is that you can follow on Twitter@yahoo 40. He took an angle that broadened it. That really had me thinking and reminding myself of just how bad of a higher it was by Cal State Northridge a year ago to hire somebody who was was being subpoenaed in Mark Gottfried, Pat, when you are writing this story. Do you have any.

I any idea what might've led Cal State Northridge to thinking it was a good idea to hire Gottfried no harm. I mean, I've been wondering March 2003 were those where you can see the problem coming clearly and they Just ignoring every warning signal that came up and you know that the greatest from their PR people no red flags whatsoever yeah well giant red flag planted in the middle of campus right now you know it's just mind-boggling to me that they went through with it and I would love to know who and why of it ever made. The look of what's the funniest thing that somebody in the college basketball world is texted you in regards to what Cal State Northridge did why why they hired Mark Gottfried or their reaction to it element. There was a lot of what somebody at some point times the do they not have Google find out what what was going on because all your heart will think everybody thought that was really a bit sketchy to begin with and then when you know the truth starts coming out about it okay yeah believe that your $40,000 yeah and then you know for Northridge at all members blow through the stop sign was that it was pretty remarkable and you know I think a lot of people were actually what I would want to write a column but yet a way to bring the good.

As for what this might mean for the Wolfpack. Do you interpret NC State's notice of allegations as a signal that the NCAA is going to be more focused on coaches than the schools. Well I don't know her calling her bring you just don't know what you want to get the committee on you know I do interpret the language pretty specifically pointed I thought toward Orlando early in Mark Gottfried and so, no, there was not a lack of institutional control finding there was not a lot of language in avoiding any state so maybe that is the direction at least that enforcement is pointing the committee on infractions but they don't have to go that way you know they can do their own thing who would agree and say you know we think we think this is not just the culture coloring is no problem at all last night will be penalties of some kind against NC State delegation hold up with the federal so it's not like this is some sort of you know flimsy evidence. But you know is will they drop a hammer on the coaches in the small state. I think that could be the case but I really don't know. Earlier in the salute to talk from the Raleigh news and Observer from really good point that with the Condoleezza Rice commission and some of the changes that came from that they had never allowed to use the FBI court testimony and use the FBI what they the legwork that they put in as evidence or as I think they can use. They want to reinterview any of their in any of the other guilty parties in this or any of the coaches in this who have already been heard from him in court, so unlike the Afghan scandal and what we saw stay at North Carolina. The FBI they did a lot of the legwork with this investigation, and I wonder if that gives the NCAA a little bit more ammunition here with the subpoena power of the FBI. What they found with back to maybe send a bigger message.

Federal customer equipment grant under oath and never been really denied or refuted by anyone and you. In previous times into the light probably would've had to try to get to know what to tell them the same story now that Mao donated got the testimony and I can say okay that's why you're charging $40,000 cash from the coast through a middleman.

You know it's pretty cut and I and so, like I do think that it is given them a much greater degree of certainty about their charters and perhaps greater leverage lay down very significant penalties because of its 1040 with Yahoo sports easier on the sports if it's will later Sean Miller both being I get handed level one infraction such as Mark Gottfried has been given here how willing do you think LSU and Arizona will be to defend their coaches. The great question. You know I got a surprise all along. Everybody still has her job so that Rick Patino and so you know, at some point if they compelling notice of allegations to the desk is that when I say okay we call upon your call list so we give up firearm or do they stand behind him further. I don't know every case is different so you agree with that right like Kansas, for example, Hall of Fame coach Bill self won a national title and say maybe even all burn with Bruce Pearl just held that the small amount of time he's been there and what they just did get to a final four. That's a lot different than Sean Miller coming off of a down season and the allegations being out there and how severe they are with the Andre eight and even LSU with will weigh been suspended a month from level of accomplishment. I know you back your view would "roll the record out and just say okay is this a viable offense regardless of whether the guys going to a final forbidden act will coach of the year yet (but you know that probably certainly go. The one guy that I think will be the hardest of fires built so because he's one of the multiple final four and while his fingerprints are on this via text with Nola and there were a lot of problems beyond those text she's not directly implicated in anything but the head coach responsibility obviously is been established as a major rule, how to you that you know the five year window carries her coat or make a move on you and II don't know the fascinating question and given how little the schools of gone so far. I'm not sure how much you expect from the group going forward. What you make of NC State being rolled out. First, if anything at all of you know I think maybe you can water was presented earlier, you know, like out of the trial here was Gastineau on the stand. Yeah I paid $40,000 and it went through Orlando early okay you know that the very direct, very blatant and pretty easy.

I think to write that up and admit that chart Arizona. There's more people involved, there's think there's a little bit more that she said involved, perhaps the same thing. Although you could possibly be coming in relatively short order because I think those are somewhat cut and dried Louisville boiling kettle of fish. You know how they can deal with everything that came out in court. There really don't think that it no indicative of much of anything I have seen a lot of people I meet people love to jump on the NCAA ascribe some areas, intent, no matter what. And so now the blueblood yes they are going to get a note about group absolutely nothing to do with this. They're not going to fight Kansas because there are blueblood right there. This will get a notice of allegations. I am reasonably certain that and this is not any indication hiring Army otherwise, of any sort of plan by the end. AA to know unfairly help or hurt anybody. Well the NC state deployed their secret weapon, though they have have the same defense law firm that North Carolina had with the Afghan scandal well there you go. They certainly earned their billable hours during that one will see what they can do with this when I think every little cover but do not think that they own the kryptonite, but you have interesting fans wondering if if it is in fact the coaches based on the language read with the notice of allegation that they're focusing on what do you think would qualify as a slap on the wrist. What would the best case scenario work) state it all. Maybe a couple scholarships. Maybe some recruiting limitations on anything that doesn't involve major scholarship productions or a postseason band I think would be palatable and certainly survivable in terms of keeping your program going forward. If your NC state where it gets tough because then you clearly transferring and obviously bodies. You losing body secure down to three years something like that so it can be fascinating to me to see the argument of hey, we've changed everyone over nobody here that was involved in leadership position.

How much weight does that carry you want to penalize an institution you want to penalize individuals how one will be good to test case for that you and your colleague Pete.

Pamela done a great job covering this story and being right on top of it. As things are happening, what is your idea about any kind of the timeline for what we could expect for the rest of the dominoes to fall in terms of other notices of allegations going off what Wilcox said in trying to reach his mother Keeley, and I am and I think we should probably get another one or two this mom and then maybe another couple in August maybe a couple of number or so, so I cannot kinda think the next couple of months really will be the working time and in regards to those cases and that maybe some of these other little even more complex with it just kinda have to wait till they could get to him. You know, they'll start rolling out. Thereafter, you know, we wrote we recording our analysis we thought there were 12 will double to major charges against him. Certainly that was one of them. So one for one will see what happens with the other 11. If we get all 12 stops well short of that or what follows top 40 on Twitter@yahoo 40 m Yahoo sports. It's crazy to think.

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It's already football media daytime Pat. All I know you love football summer. I'm not really ready for summer you were divided turnaround will thank you for giving us some of your summer spending some time with the secure great stuff and great reporting is always yahoo sports catch up somewhere down the line. thank you. that's not 40 from yahoo sports writing a column today specifically on mark gottfried and hell cal cal state northridge respected thought i was a good idea.

has there been just off the top your head has there been a worse higher than cal state northridge think let's go with mark gottfried in college just in general general we talk about mike tony. that's not nearly as bad is that you know it's no larry brown.

maybe the controversy following multiple slow that's what i that's right, he has, but i'm talking subpoenas for summer with fbi's involvement right you.

i wonder my be it literally might be the worst higher in the history of sports. it might be that where you bring.

it's about what does mark gottfried say in that interview you is that comes up with the subpoenas gives different mark gottfried sme east coast mark that's what i do in the eastern time zone so as long as any of our games are in the eastern time zone anywhere in the pacific times different. mark gottfried out here. i was at ucla, and i am a little surprised. mark gottfried got picked up as fast as he did. rick patino did not think of someone to hire. mark gottfried, i would probably choose rick patino before mark gottfried right all the vitality it's pushing it keeps pushing the car so somebody can hi rick, it happened greatly. the greek team one cabbage about the guy. the guy wins band or the mark gottfried did the coach of somebody that's a terrible thing right now is that it would give us something with more effort and their baby about coaching but is not as good as the codes carried over all the diaper davies will be coming in here. i can't wait to see you will be all over the place open. don't get on people would stop. it's amazing what coach kate over at duke university petered out at the end was. it was really good. you keep kinda sure if it was you have a limited study island present the study of a little bit you try to figure out errands a bunch of his/her ones are right now in the last hour we were to have a mom buddies in aruba that all if only you knew the list of people we struck out like that. actually, we were set hello hello who was supposed to be on the show. i was bummed out right before the show we were set to have the guy for major league on corbin brett berntson from roger doing the ricotta i got that yesterday i have a ton of questions i wanted to ask corbin brett berntson because it's the 30 year anniversary of majorly which would you mind just doing a dorn impressionable.

i ask you some questions like that i would've been asking corbin burns.

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