“Pro-Life Evangelicals for Biden”—Neither Pro-Life Nor Evangelical

Pro-life evangelicals for Joe Biden which is really neither pro-life nor evangelical Kalb Wisner joined us today right here on the Christian worldview radio program where the mission is to sharpen the biblical worldview. Christians and to share the good news that all people can be reconciled to God through faith in Jesus Christ and David. We hosted our website is the Christian worldview.org now a group that calls itself pro-life evangelicals for Biden has released a document calling for evangelical Christians to vote for Democrat Joe Biden for Pres. Why would profess pro-life Christians serve urge other Christians to vote for candidate and party which holds the killing of pre-born babies as sacrosanct, even compelling, unwilling taxpayers to fund it, especially when the other candidate and party president Trump Republicans advocate for ending or at least reducing abortion. It is abundantly clear except to the most deceived that abortion is the intentional killing of a human being a child that God created Psalm 139 says, for you God for my inward parts, you wove me in my mother's womb, so how can one be a quote pro-life, evangelical, and vote for pro-abortion candidate Joe Biden Kalb Eyster, the founder of the Cornwall lines for the stewardship of creation joins us today after penning an article about pro-life evangelicals for Biden committing to major mistakes in ethics was get to the first section of interview Cal thank you for coming back on the program.

It's always a pleasure to have you on the program I want to start out by reading a recent statement put out by pro-life evangelicals for Joe Biden and the statement reads. Join the movement join Richard Mao, president emeritus of Fuller seminary John Huffman board chair emeritus Christianity today Jerusha do Ford Billy Graham's granddaughter Ron cider, president emeritus of evangelicals for social action Brenda Salter McNeil reconciler Prof. Pastor and Richard Foster, author of celebration of discipline and others in signing the following statement as pro-life evangelicals we disagree with VP Biden and the Democratic platform on the issue of abortion, but we believe a biblically shaped commitment to the sanctity of human life compels us to a consistent ethic of life that affirms the sanctity of human life from beginning to end. Many things that good political decisions could change destroy persons created in the image of God and violate the sanctity of human life.

Poverty kills millions every year. So does lack of healthcare and smoking. Racism kills unless we quickly make major changes, devastating climate change will kill tens of millions poverty, lack of accessible healthcare services, smoking, racism, and climate change are all pro-life issues as the national Association of Evangelicals official public policy document insists quote faithful evangelical civic engagement in witness must champion a biblically balanced agenda.

Therefore, we oppose quote one issue political thinking because it lacks biblical balance, knowing at the most common reason women give for abortion is the financial difficulty of another child. We appreciate a number of Democratic proposals that was significantly alleviate that financial burden, accessible health services for all citizens. Affordable childcare a minimum wage that lifts workers out of poverty.

For these reasons, last paragraph, we believe that on balance, Joe Biden's policies are more consistent with the biblically shaped ethic of life than those of Donald Trump.

Therefore, even as we continue to urge different policies on abortion. We urge evangelicals to elect Joe Biden as Pres., that is from the statement from pro-life evangelicals for Biden the cow. The first question for you today is what is biblically wrong and even deceptive about that statement in my years as a seminary professor of ethics I saw very few things that were more sinister and devious than the seemingly innocuous statement book is really the bedrock the basis of this whole new public declaration that these folks who put out the say quote biblically shaped commitment to the sanctity of human life compels us to a consistent ethic of life that affirms the sanctity of human life from beginning to end the David that's sinister and devious, not because life isn't sacred from beginning to end. But because those who use the statement are doing it to consistently hide a serious ethical confusion. What many people don't recognize is that the statement twists the meaning of the term pro-life and it makes to really fundamental errors in basic ethics. When this is the kind of thing that you would learn in ethics 101. First day in a seminary course.

The two basic ethical errors first one has to do with what we would call intentionality if you intentionally do something wrong that is a more serious problem than if you do it accidentally or ignorantly as Deuteronomy describes two men might be out of the woods. Chopping trees down and the ax head flies off of one of the axes and it hits another man and kills him. That's a completely accidental harm and there is to be no execution of the person whose accent flew off so intentionality is really important in abortion. Every successful procedure intentionally kills a human being right that's abortion now these folks want to tell us that pollution reduction of reducing smoking, reducing people's lack of access to adequate healthcare. All of these are pro-life issues. The trouble is that with pollution with smoking with lack of adequate healthcare.

Nobody sets out to murder somebody.

Nobody sets out intentionally to kill somebody when there is harm from those things and sometimes there is usually it's not that, and it's never intentional in the course.

The second big difference is not just intentionality but what's the actual harm in abortion its death in the air pollution, water pollution, poverty and lack of of healthcare it's usually not death. It's usually harm of a much lesser degree.

And yet Scripture itself makes it very very clear that killing is a much more serious sin and a much more serious crime than stealing or even assault and battery. We can tell that from the different penalties prescribed for those different actions in biblical law. So now the one third point that I would make is that words mean something dictionary editors figure out how to define the term by looking through vast amounts of human interaction, conversation and literature and so on to see how a term is used the term pro-life was coined in the 1970s or possibly the late 1960s specifically to identify opposition to abortion. It wasn't designed to to denote opposition to warfare or to capital punishment for certain crimes or to air pollution or water pollution or anything else.

It was coined to denote opposition to abortion, and so you can go to any standard dictionary or even for that matter to Wikipedia and look up pro-life and all define it in terms of opposition to abortion. So now when these folks say we are pro-life evangelicals for Biden because we like his views on environmental pollution or hunger or poverty or smoking or racism better than Trump's views on those things.

What they're doing is they're stealing the term pro-life. They are obscuring its true meaning. Consequently, there to be dividing the pro-life movement and making it more difficult to elect to office people who truly are pro-life who truly do want to set legal limits restricting abortion in this country and ultimately to prohibit it entirely right for them to claim to be pro-life is as hypocritical in the extreme.

Isn't this what liberals always do, though they try to capture and twist the language just like Satan did in the garden. By the way, twisting the words of God to to try to achieve their desired ends. Kalb Eyster with us today on the Christian religion radio program, the founder of the Cornwall alliance for the stewardship of creation have an excellent booklet out titled how does the creation care movement threatened the pro-life movement.

We are making it available to listeners today will tell you how you can get that I want to go back. Hal and read just pull one paragraph out that I write a letter earlier the statement on quote pro-life evangelicals for Biden says poverty kills millions every year. So does lack of healthcare in smoking. Racism kills mostly quickly make major changes, devastating climate change will kill tens of millions poverty, lack of accessible healthcare services, smoking, racism, and climate change are all pro-life issues know you talked about that second sentence there in that paragraph saying it's that's not what pro-life is.

But let's get back to the verification of truth on these things is it true that millions are killed every year by poverty, lack of healthcare and smoking and climate change tens of millions is set for that as a matter fact around the world millions of people do die because of lack of adequate food, clothing, shelter, clean drinking water, sewage, sanitation, or because of very very profound air pollution or water pollution. Millions of people do die from those things but you notice the term on using their die die and kill or not the same thing does poverty kill does air pollution kill does lack of healthcare kill.

You have to have some notion of a subject that is intentionally managing on something else. This just really is to confuse terms, people die of poverty. Yes, poverty doesn't kill them. People die of old age old age doesn't kill them. And so again you mentioned how so often people will just steal terms they will they will confuse language and that of course you can go back to George Orwell's 1984 and Newspeak. The left is master of this contract effort. I sometimes would look it's not it's not by accident that left and theft rhyme with each other and the left is consistently stealing words as it stole the word justice to turn it into social justice as it steals the word pro-life now to turn it into Pro environment or Pro economic development. I'm all for economic development that's part of what I found.

The Cornwall Alliance for the stewardship of creation were dedicated to biblical earth stewardship and economic development for the work I don't have anything against that. But it isn't properly described as pro-life, so intentionality again is a very important ethical turn on them. Very thankful for people like Kalb Eisner clarify things so well you can get that booklet that he's written, how does the creation care movement threatened the pro-life movement for donation of any amount to the Christian really just get in touch to do that more coming up next beneficial real view who is George Soros and what does he believe, are you religious believe in God. Soros told independent newspaper in Great Britain. It is a sort of dizziness when you consider yourself some kind of God, the creator of everything that I feel comfortable about it now since I began to live it out. Soros Spence's billions to transform America into godless socialism be informed about him in the organizations he funds by ordering this George Soros resource bundle which includes a 60 minute DVD 60 page book in 16 page, follow the money. Chart and guide for donation of $50 or more to the Christian worldview to order call 1888 646-2233 right to Box 401, Excelsior, MN 55331 or visit the Christian worldview.org that's the Christian worldview.org. The Bible says that children should be raised in the discipline and instruction of the mind is nothing more important than sitting, walking, talking and teaching your son or daughter to love and fear God, the church is swimming in children's resources, but it's also important to select ones that accurately represent God's word, the gospel and I store Christian worldview.org we are intentional about offering resources to build a sound and strong faith in children, you will find several models for children and raccoons look serious and good news for little hearts series.

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If you haven't gotten the social justice when the previous one you can get both. Or if Yorty have the previous one. Just just get the creation care movement threatening the pro-life movement booklet so you can do that the Christian worldview.org. Our topic is pro-life evangelicals for Biden, neither pro-life nor evangelical Kalb Eisner, the founder of the Cornwall Alliance for the stewardship of creation as our gases get back to the second segment with Cal you write in this column. Another serious ethical failure in this statement. The statement of the pro-life evangelicals for Biden is confusing, negative rights, the rights against harm with positive rights to benefits and heavy explained that a second as I demonstrate my booklet social justice versus biblical justice. How good intentions undermine justice and gospel which we carry. By the way, or the Christian worldview, negative rights are consistent and enforceable but positive rights are inherently self-contradictory and unenforceable. Negative rights are the implication of true biblical justice. Positive rights are the expression of Marxist socialist egalitarianism. That's a mouthful that paragraph way to go through that and try to really clarify what you're saying there negative rights are rights against harm, not rights to particular things that are rights against harm. Positive rights are rights to benefits. So let me illustrate this. I have a negative right established by the biblical command, you shall not murder, that no one should take my life away from me unjustly.

Similarly with properties. Similarly, with my reputation. You know, you shall not bear false witness against your neighbor doesn't mean I have a right for everybody to go around telling everybody else what wonderful guy. It does mean that I have a right not to have other people tell people that I'm a liar that I'm a thief that I'm a murderer that I'm an adult, etc. unless those things are actually true. That's not a positive right to a benefit that I can point to out there.

It is a negative right against harm but now let's go to positive rights, so called because I don't know.

I believe that there really are no such things as positive rights. But what goes by that name positive rights. These are rights to benefits and so then we can say well I have a right to adequate clothing to protect me from the weather to adequate housing to adequate healthcare. Adequate education to a certain basic level of income, and so on to say I have a right to this clothing or to that education or to this medical care or two that food. If it doesn't mean I have a right to earn it myself without obstruction, then what it means is somebody else has a responsibility of duty to provide for me the problem with that is that David if I have a right to some food you have. And I don't have, then perhaps I can demand that you give me that food and that the government force you to do it. What happens then is that my claim of this positive right ends up contradicting your real negative right to the property you have, and that food in order to to enforce positive rights. You have to be willing to violate negative rights.

I don't think that God so designed justice.

This transcendent, universal ethical principle as to be inherently self-contradictory. I think true rights are inherently consistent and they can be enforced consistently without without contradicting anybody else's rights. Positive rights are not that way. How does that fit into what these so-called evangelicals are saying that there pro-life for Biden. Essentially what they're doing is they are confusing the right to life of the unborn, which is a negative right or right against having their lives taken from them unjustly when they try to speak of hunger or pollution, and so on.

Now they're actually speaking about positive rights when they say that poverty is a pro-life issue on appeal and people have a right to adequate income or adequate food and so on.

Now they're talking about benefits and that means that in order to enforce those things. They have to be asking the state which, by nature, is an instrument of force. If you doubt that, try refusing to pay your taxes. The state is inevitably a creature of force when you try to enforce so-called positive rights to food or clothing or shelter, education or living wage when you do that, then you are contradicting true rights your contradicting true justice under perverting the proper role of the state. Kalb Eisner with us today on the Christian will be the founder and national spokesman for the Cornwall Alliance for the stewardship of creation were talking about this statement. Pro-life evangelicals for Biden which is really neither pro-life and now the second part of the title. Today's is it actually evangelical someone sent me a recent column that was written by John MacArthur on the evangelical movement today and he writes recent surveys and I'll reference with those are later revealed that a large percentage of people who self identify as evangelical do not understand even the most basic principles of gospel truth in a recent poll of self-styled or professed evangelicals, 52% said they reject the concept of absolute truth. 61% do not read the Bible daily 75% believe is a professed evangelicals believe people are basically good. 48% believe salvation can be earned by good works.

44% believe the Bible does not condemn abortion.

43% believe Jesus may have sinned 78% believe Jesus is the first being created by God 46% believe the Holy Spirit is a force rather than a person. 34%. 1/3 except same-sex marriage as consistent with biblical teaching 26% reject Scripture is God's word and 50% of these are professed evangelicals say church attendance is not necessary. Most of those views are categorically incompatible MacArthur rights with saving faith. In other words, many who self identify as evangelicals are not believers at all, no matter the media consider them evangelicals, evangelical churches, grant them membership in some cases evangelical presses publish and promote their writings and evangelical conferences feature them as keynote speakers. Consequently, evangelical has come to mean anything and everything. And that's why as it is used today.

The word hardly means anything at all. So the question Callis what really isn't evangelical and are these people, these leaders so-called professed evangelicals are the evangelical really in name only just using the name to attract the interesting evangelicals and can opening the door to say hey you don't need to be pro-life and turnabout go one issue voter and pro-life means much beyond just abortion through the history of the church. Evangelical is a term that has happened several different references during the period of the Reformation. Evangelical basically meant somebody who was a follower of Martin Luther with his his teaching bold teaching on justification by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone as opposed to the Roman Catholic doctrine of justification by grace plus merits through faith plus works the faith being in Christ. Plus your own good works of the works of the church around you and the sacraments, and the excess good works of the saints, and so on so evangelical meant that during the period of the Reformation in the couple centuries after the Reformation evangelical tended to refer to the Lutheran movement of Protestants as distinct from the reformed movement of Protestants in the 19th century, evangelical tended to to refer to those members of the Church of England, particularly the clergy, and it that were committed to this this gospel of justification by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone as distinct from those who were more latitude Marion who might deny the deity of Christ, or who might deny the gospel of justification by grace alone, and so on. In the early 1900s I movement was began, called the fundamentalists who were giving intellectual defense to what they called fundamental doctrines of the Christian faith. By the 1930s. This movement had become culturally quite isolated, quite to the rejecting interaction with the surrounding culture at separatist and so separatists right and so Billy Graham and a variety of other leaders, Carl H. Henry led a movement to say let's let's let's be culturally engaged will call ourselves evangelicals rather than fundamentalists in the mid-1950s. This group founded what was the Evangelical theological Society and the doctrinal statement of it. There was only one statement that it was its doctrinal basis was the Bible alone in the Bible in its entirety, is the word of God written and is therefore an errant in the autographs that is in the original writings in the original languages by the original human authors write inerrancy of Scripture was the defining mark of American evangelicalism from the 1950s on in these folks who are pro-life evangelicals for Biden.

I would say they certainly do not believe in the inerrancy of Scripture, or certainly a sound interpretation of it, or coming up after David we hear host of the Christian worldview for over 15 years. Our mission has been to sharpen the biblical worldview. Christians claim the good news of Jesus Christ pursue that mission on their radio programs in person. Hosting events and online through A/V imprint resources.

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That's gotta be a good thing one can they've co-opted that word that's really just a leftist environmental policy movement but calling you creation care to make evangelicals and Christians, feel good about it.

He's written a booklet and tell how does the creation care movement threaten the pro-life movement. 31 page booklet available for a donation of any amount to the Christian really. He's a very, very clear thinker as you can hear him today. He wrote the previous booklet on social justice which we also have available for donation of any amount she offering them both together, just get in contact with us the usual way through the website the Christian worldview.org or discolor office one AAA 646-2233 now we have one segment left with him and he was in the middle of an answer on talking about how the term evangelical has been historically divine, defined as those Christians who believe in the inerrancy of Scripture, there's no errors in Scripture is inspired by God. It's infallible, it's immutable. It's completely true with the word of God, not the words of men and other key doctrines like justification by by faith alone. Through God's grace alone, the exclusivity of Jesus Christ for salvation is no other name under heaven by which men must be saved. Things like this of things that if you get wrong. Well, you can call yourself an evangelical Christian, but your you're really your believing things are grossly here that really don't make you a true believer. So let's get back to the rest of the interview with Kalb Eyster inerrancy of Scripture was the defining mark of American evangelicalism from the 1950s on, but by the 70s and 80s you had even some members of the Evangelical theological Society, like Clark Pinnock who were saying all you can be evangelical and yet think that the Bible has some errors in around. I think it was 2002 or three, I attended one of the meetings of the jungle theological society was a member of time and a group of of thinkers calling themselves open theorists were saying but well because God in fact really doesn't know the future perfectly and they were saying this in order to protect human freedom. Therefore, God can have said things through prophecy that in fact never came to pass, and never will.

And so those prophecies were false, but we won't call them errors because they are unintentional, so they were redefining error as intentional error as distinct from just anything that's false right. There was a motion to dismiss these people from membership in the US because if God's not knowing the future entails that he could give false prophecies. Then the doctrinal basis of the Evangelical theological Society, the Bible alone. The Bible in its entirety was the word of God written and is therefore an errant in the autographs means nothing because there is therefore no longer follows at that meeting of the UTS the motion to remove those members including Clark Pinnock and John Sanders in a couple of others failed on narrow vote. That was when I let my membership in the Evangelical theological Society lapse. It's done. There is no definition there anymore. Similarly, all the different steps that you just quoted off about all of the doctrinal ignorance and error on the part of some of the people who self identify as evangelicals know evangelical has lost all meaning among self-professed evangelicals, where it has not lost a meeting is among the non-Christian society at large and the liberal Christians society at large, whereby the way for the most part evangelical is thought to be a very negative term and what's what's so amazing about the very various different beliefs that you rattled off therefrom that survey.

I think that was from legally or manipulate such does that every few years.

So many of those beliefs are not only not consistent with modern American evangelicalism or past American evangelicalism or evangelicalism of any time they're not consistent with the most broad definitions of Orthodox Christianity right yet when you say that Jesus is the first thing God created right away.

That's not even Christian. No, let alone evangelical, it's not and I think it's of no organ to talk about this later in the program that Christianity today is always presented themselves as an evangelical publication and part of that space that ceased but admitted yesterday exactly really good fact, I happen to know from first-hand testimony that in the mid-80s a meeting of the board of Christianity today, including its founding members Carl Henry and Billy Graham had done a review of the contents of the magazine over the past 50 years. 25 years, partly and have determined that the magazine had completely lost its moorings and that if they wanted to try to regain the borings they would lose so much circulation that they go bankrupt.

Billy Graham, Carl Henry left that meeting in tears realizing we've lost our magazine, then it's no shock why that the previous editor-in-chief of Christianity today Mark Galli who wrote the column saying Trump should be removed from office in charge of this evangelical magazine we just find out recently has converted to Roman Catholicism that I speak very loudly for what that magazine has become Kelly appreciate your excellent column pro-life evangelicals for Biden is a monumental ethical failure. It was an excellent column. We have a link as well. On our website. So Kelly always appreciate your coming on our program and for the incredible work you're doing a Cornwall Alliance for the stewardship of creation how you handle that issue and so many others from a very grounded biblical perspective, never neglecting the gospel of Christ as you do so. So keep standing strong in him and thank you for coming on the program today. Thank you very much David. God bless you. Okay that was Kalb Eisner, everyone. If you missed any of the interview usually have it posted on our website the Christian real view.org later on Saturdays it's programmer Saturday morning live and usually by later in the day on Saturday. We have it up on the website available for podcasting.

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That's a bridge way too far to the term evangelical is being used to push other Christians is how insidious it is they're trying to push evangelicals. Those are truly evangelical to vote for Democrats saying while there is a justifiable alternative to voting for Democrats rather than Trump and the Republicans that the Biden is a very good because he probably is more quote pro-life on these other issues. What this is is really that the left posing as evangelicals. They don't believe in inerrancy didn't believe in inspiration, infallibility, the immutability of Scripture. Christ is the only way may be little attendance of a few of them.

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Now, I think, far worse, though, then these kind of folks from just clearly theologically liberal organizations is those who are evangelicals who are much more trusted by really true biblical Christians, people like I mentioned in the past, people like Tim Keller. Very popular author we've granted some of his writings about young Christians. You can kind of vote. Either way, he gives us in his his his columns and writings I have don't have time to get in debt thereby want to give another example, today is from John Piper was a very well-known evangelical influential pastor and author and so forth. He has written just something very recently and it's been posted many different places of missing lot people share this and says the policies persons and pastor ruin style.

This is column pondering the implications of the 2020 election. He starts up. I say nothing I say here is intended to dictate how any how anyone else should vote rather to point to a perspective that seems to be neglected.

Yes, this perspective sways my vote, but you need not be sinning if you weigh matters differently. Now he has a server disclaimer at the beginning but the rest of his column is all about you cannot take anything else away from the column taken either conclusion away, but to say that he wouldn't never think a Christian should vote for Donald Trump's another paragraph. Actually, this is a long-overdue article attempting to explain why I remain baffled that so many Christians consider the sins of unrepentant sexual immorality, unrepentant boastfulness, unrepentant vulgarity, unrepentant infectiousness and the like to be only toxic for our nation. While policies that endorse baby killing sex switching freedom, limiting his socialistic overreach are viewed as deadly.

In another words, who is he referring to. There is referring to Donald dropping or saying he's unrepentant, the sexually immoral and boastful and vulgar.

In fact, not II don't know if he's unrepentant lease � more I know I have no idea. He is boastful he is vulgar at times. He is factious at times but you know what, so is Joe Biden support the Democrats means that to cut a pin it all on Donald Trump. I don't think is seeing that the situation clearly have to skip down for lack of time, maybe we'll try to get this article linked on our website only gets there right now I he goes down to the issuer discussing today the issue of abortion because this is the issue that evangelicals true biblical evangelicals point to decide this is why am voting for Donald Trump Republicans because they're clearly more rope pro-life than Democrats who are so it's sacrosanct. It is a it is the highest tenant of being a Democrat today is you must be for the killing of the unborn. Piper writes, I think a row Roe versus Wade is an evil decision.

I think Planned Parenthood is a code name for baby killing and it historically at least, ethnic cleansing, I think it is baffling. This, in a sense I think it is baffling and presumptuous to assume that pro-abortion policies kill more people than a culture saturating Pro self pride that is really astounding that he that he write that that basically is almost saying the same thing as the pro-evangelicals for Biden statement. Another words that that pro-abortion policies and it's baffling to him and presumptuous to assume that pro-abortion policies kill more people than a culture satyr saturating Pro self pride really mean millions of babies being killed.

Your people are responsible for what they see in leaders, whether they're going or appropriate those in their own lives that that that doesn't kill them. They have a choice whether to become like the leaders they they watch with the leaders divisive or vulgar or sexy, immoral live choice not have to follow that. But babies don't have a choice that that is to me. You know I not trying to slander John Piper.

I think he's influence people and gets a lot of things right, but that this one is a bridge too far for me. I mean really Democrat leaders in their policies don't lead to moral corruption. I don't know anyway just to conclude on this idea. I would, I received a little bar I saw little Tweet this week by someone.

And I think the response of this kind of article bite by John Piper is young basically trumps bad he morally corrupt the country and as a Christian you should not be comfortable with that because that's just as bad as as abortion disagree on this end.

But the Tweet I saw this week was an interesting one. It said this to think that God could use a filthy minded, adulterous and wealthy man with evil in his heart to preside over a country is beyond me. Okay, so you're thinking, will this this this little Tweet is referring to Donald Trump right is, of course, Joe Biden. This is so is so holy right of course that we have been on time.

It will go under next week how I believe he's even more of a unrepentant boastful factious lying, immoral person. The Dell trumpet. Mabel given that next week on time today, but the setup here is to think that God could use a filthy minded, adulterous and wealthy man with evil in his heart to preside over a country is beyond me right down Trump. Okay, maybe it was that with the referring to. But God did that and that man gave us the Psalms King David very very well. Well-made point Yuri of King David, a man after God's own heart falls gravely into sin. Adultery with Bathsheba murders. Has your husband murdered and in wartime and goes into all terrible time of unrepentant self-worth and yet God used him to to lead the country of Israel bring us the Psalms. An example of faith from the line of through the line of Christ and and so forth and so on. And you know the point is, let's project ourselves back into that day will who John Piper then vote for if King David was on the ballot. Would you vote for him, someone who's at least pro-Israel and pro-God origin vote for a Philistine who is anti-God has all these anti-God policies and say they're both bad, not boring for either one or open the door for people to vote for the Philistine, I can make a conclusion to that I can't.

I can't agree with that, seems very clear that there is one party that Christians should not vote for this one party that they can vote for no other other way to vote as well will get into that next week.

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