American Gospel—“Progressive” Christianity (Part 2 of 3)

The aggressive Christianity is our topic today here on the Christian worldview for the mission is to sharpen the biblical worldview of Christians and to share the good news that all people can be reconciled to God. They in Jesus Christ, and David with the hosting our website is the Christian worldview.org thanks for joining us today is the second in a three part series on these films, titled the American gospel now. Last week we discussed the first film that focuses on some of the false teaching and false teachers infecting the church such as moralistic preaching, you'll be good be moral. The works gospel that faith plus your good works. Makes you right with God. The attraction will church your gear church for nonbelievers and of course the health, wealth and prosperity gospel that God wants to heal you and prosper you financially, but this weekend and next Branding. Kimber, our guest, he's the creator of both American gospel films will join us to discuss his second film on progressive Christianity in a progressive Christianity is found in the mainline Protestant denominations and also the emerging church movement and leaders such as Brian McLaren, Rob Bell, Tony Jones and others like Jim Wallace and Tony Campolo.

I think it could be better described as deconstructionist Christianity where key doctrines like the inerrancy of Scripture and penal substitutionary atonement are sort of reimagined progressive Christianity closely aligns with progressive leftist political ideology is get to the first segment of the interview with Brandon Kimber Brandon, thank you for coming on the Christian worldview as we talk about your second film today American gospel of Christ crucified ember to start out by playing the trailer from the film to just to give listeners an idea of what it's about. This is a an overview and then we'll get into some of the specific soundbites and some of the issues that are covered in this film. Here's the trailer for American gospel. The second film.

I'm concerned that people today don't know who God is and the Lord passed by in front of him and proclaim the Lord, the Lord God, compassionate and gracious, slow to anger and abounding in lovingkindness and truth keeping � love thousand, forgiving iniquity and transgression and he will by no means leave the guilty unpunished. How does that. Why would you want to worship God. If you could imagine a better God.

Jesus, I don't think God Jesus said same story that father John is not a got word it makes God of a terribly unjust system. This is the doctrine of Christianity that separates Christianity from other religions in the world. Jesus cross. Okay, that's the trailer from American gospel. The second film in Brandon. Kimber is our guest today.

The creator of the film and welcome back to the program. Brandon this film the second film is about progressive Christianity.

Tell us what that is. And some of the issues that are being battled over as you present in this film. Progressive Christianity is a little hard to pin down as far as coming up with the definition everyone could agree upon. But there are some common things that a lot of progressive Christians believe the main issues with the authority and inerrancy of Scripture, so they would really deny that the Bible is the word of God. Therefore, their feelings become the authority not Scripture. If you ever heard of anything called red letter Christianity. Yes, essentially taking Jesus's words and elevating those over the rest of Scripture. But even with that view. There still picking and choosing Jesus's words.

Another aspect is they will deny hell and of course Jesus talked about hell more than anyone in the Bible the other issue in this is mainly what this film is about is the atonement they really deny what is called the penal substitutionary view of the atonement that Jesus died in your place to pay the penalty for your sins under the wrath of God. They will call this cosmic child abuse. A lot of the ways that they describe this are really just strawman versions of this doctrine is not really represented accurately.

So when I try to do in the film is to show the biblical view of that doctrine and teardown there strawman.

You're basically left with the gospel. That's no gospel at all minutes on it ends up becoming just love God, love people. That's actually a summary of the law is not the gospel Brandon Kimber with us today on the Christian will get the creator of the American gospel films part one and part two were discussing the second one today isn't calling it quote progressive Christianity euphemistic another. It isn't giving into the way they want to be portrayed as their progressive their current their up-to-date shouldn't be called heterodox or deconstructionist Christianity or something like that. You're right. In a sense I guess it just depends on how you're defining the word progressive in historic biblical Christianity, we have something called progressive revelation and that would mean that over time we are getting a clear understanding of who God is and what the gospel is as we go from Genesis to Revelation.

We can also think of our faith being progressive in the sense that we want progress in our faith in our sanctification and growing in holiness, but I think that when they use that word. It actually helps to define their view of Scripture as I kinda mentioned before. They don't see it as the word of God rather as man's evolving understanding of God. Over time, so in that sense it's progressive because they're viewing it as man's view of God has progressed or evolved into a better or higher and wiser view of God. Over time, so look at the Old Testament God as wrathful. He's jealous and see that as archaic and bad, and once we get to the New Testament we have a better understanding of God and will even say even now we progressed beyond the time of the apostles that we even have a more evolved and better understanding of God about who are they referring today as these progressives.

Is this the people in the leaders in the mainline Protestant denominations. Some of the big denominations that have gone liberal in your film you have others like Bart Campolo who is the son of imagine the red letter Christian or the liberal Christian Tony Campolo, Bart Campolo, his son is a valid secular humanist ribbon here soundbites of him today. He's in the film you interviewed him.

You also interviewed Tony Jones. She was one of the well-known leaders of the emergent church others that you have clips of in the film are Brian McLaren was Sir consider one of the founders of the emergent church or Rob Bell who wrote the book love wins. Richard Rohr is another one will get into some of these folks today so who are they, then a follow-up to that is what was it like to actually sit down and interview someone like Bart Campolo and Tony Jones. People who have deconstructed the Orthodox Christian faith.

A lot of these progressive leaders are like you said in the mainline denominations. Rob Bell was a mega-church pastor in Michigan, but after he wrote his book love wins. He left the church moved out to California and is now kind of just an author, speaker, Jesus had a show on Oprah and I mean I wouldn't really consider him inside of a denomination anymore. She's just kind of this rogue theologian, and I think that might be what a lot of these guys end up becoming their writing books. They have podcasts and that's really where their influence is coming from, rather than maybe like a pulpit may not get invited to speak, but they're not really pastors of churches anymore. This film is different than the first because I actually got people like Bart and Tony to agree to sit down and be interviewed, whereas in the first film. It was either a declining or just silence, but I was honest with them upfront about my beliefs. We disagreed. I said that my view and perspective is going to come out on top.

It's going to be portrayed as the correct view but I want to make sure that you get to say what you want to say that I don't take anything out of context.

They are very kind and cooperative. Sometimes during the interviews that got kind of intense but they approved and they sign the releases in the end, after seeing the finished film and they signed it without asking for any changes so I'm very thankful for their cooperation and I respect them and that in that sense it is compelling. Part of the film you not taking clips of some speaking engagement where they've spoken, but in their cases mean these are these are false teachers, leading people away from the truth of God's word in the gospel so that that's a compelling part of the film.

Our guest today is Brandon Kimber, the producer, creator of the American gospel films. We have both of them available for listeners will tell you how you can get them coming up here on the program.

Let's get to some of the audio from the film you've talked about the emerging church. This particular clip has Phil Johnson from Grace to you.

John MacArthur's radio ministry, Tony Jones, one of the founders. The emergent church, Rob Bell, another one you've Artie talked about some of these in the issue of certainty will start with this soundbite from American gospel.

The second film emerging church movement began several years ago as a conversation among evangelical Tenex leaders who were alarmed at search dropout rates among 20s and 30s about the same time, Maryland Brian McLaren began writing about what he saw as a growing disillusionment with the way evangelical Christianity was being practiced emerging church movement actually was right in a lot of their criticisms of shallow evangelicalism, pragmatic evangelicalism that entire millennial generation had for the most part, those that had grown up as evangelicals had grown up in children's church and then youth group movements where pretty much the emphasis was on fun and games not teaching and so it's a generation of people who were not taught Scripture and so they were pretty quick to throw it out.

People who are questioning the theology the doctrine, the core message of the gospel like what's the gospel really about and we were reading people who had been considered off-limits by a lot of evangelicals were reading like feminist theology of liberation theology and things like that. Postmodernism was always skepticism the modernist thought we could know for sure what truth is. Because science will tell us and postmodernism has given up on that fallacy and now concluded that really nothing to tell us for sure what truth is. We talked a lot about the Bible how reliable and trustworthy is the Bible and how reliable and trustworthy are our interpretations and applications of the Bible to attend the absolutely confident that we know anything and therefore postmodernism is really the abandonment of certain and knowledge. In fact, if there's one stand in the progressive church certainty. Beware of people who charge in with certainty and Bible verses that last voice was Rob Bell beware of certainty in Bible verses talking about the American gospel.

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Our guest is Brandon Kimber who created and produce the films we have both films available for a donation of $30 or more. The each retail for 1799, Seward giving deal on that. If you want to get both films and DVD $30 or more a week and is by one of the other for the that the retail price of 1799.

You can also rent the film on life and rather not bite you can just find out all about this by going to our website the Christian worldview.org by the white the these are not like entertaining action films a mean these are thought-provoking films that will sharpen your biblical worldview you have to think your way through this and yet they show just it is really compelling from a standpoint of showing what's going on in these false teaching loom movements and also within progressive Christianity. So encourage you to to wash them okay we are talking about certainty how that something rejected by the progressive movement let's get back to the interview with Brandon Kimber, if there's one fan and the progressive church certainty. Beware of people who charge in with certainty and Bible verses.

So the issue of certainty came up we can be certain about what we believe is it's in the Bible that was rejected by the emergent church in SL and underlying worldview of a progressive Christianity. Progressive Christianity is been around for a long time, long before the emergent church but how did the emerging church which emerged sort of in the early 2000's around that era. How did that undermine people raised. Let's say in the evangelical church in that realm.

While as you heard in the clips.

There was a response to young people dropping out of church and when that happens the first thing that people try to do is to again make the church more attractive to the cultures so there trying to change things in either methods that you used to do church, whether that be a light are you sitting on pews were chairs like what kind of music. Things like that. Then they started targeting the message of the church. The gospel itself. Rethinking a lot of those difficult doctrines that we talked about including how the atonement, the attributes of God. This was all happening when postmodern thinking was becoming popular, and that again is just this idea that we can't know anything for certain, but the problem is if someone says we can know anything for certain. Are you certain about that. That's a a statement of maiden certainty is so self-defeating. They view certainty as prideful arrogance and they really value questioning everything.

The questions are more important than answers.

The journey is more important than the destination type of thing yet you have heard those them say that many many times Brandon Kimber again with us today on the Christian review talking about his second film in the series on the American gospel. This went on progressive Christianity, we have them linked in the ability for you to get them@ourwebsitethechristianworldview.org let's go next to a soundbite in the film by Alyssa Childers to think of how you pronounce her name where she talks about how her faith was almost deconstructed, grew up in a Christian environment was part of a Christian musical group. Let's let her tell part of her story.

Then I'll follow up with a question.

When a Christian because their process of deconstruction when they reconstruct to is something that look anything like historic Christianity in my case I went through that process and deconstructing I didn't apply to them. I always believe that God was there that it sent me into a crisis of faith I really dark time of doubt, where I waved rock my baby in the rocking chair and just seeing hands into the darkness.

Just not even really sure that they were trail. It was as if I had been thrown into the middle of the ocean which is high.

Crazy ways. Nothing. Nothing to grab onto senior life Christianity is true. Send me on life. It's Alyssa Childers she's she figures very prominently in this film and she had this crisis of faith that she talked about their Brandon but eventually came back and now she has a website and a blog and a podcast and she's a speaker, and so forth. She's one of the characters in the film that is presented as someone who is sound in the faith.

So when she talked about deconstruction.

What is that I've actually mean it. Deconstruction of one's worldview or faith. You also present these two guys in the film there called that the deconstructionist podcast so that word comes up over and over again, and how to avoid this kind of deconstruction that almost happened to Alyssa then has happened to several others that you feature in the film deconstruction is really taking all the parts of your faith and questioning and rethinking everything so once you do that people will often reconstruct if they don't end up in atheism, though reconstruct into a version of Christianity that doesn't look like historic Christianity as Alisa said, but other times they might reconstruct into a more historic, biblical version of Christianity. That's actually what happened to Elyse. I think that's pretty rare. I think the problem happens when you grow up in the church and you're just basically handed down of faith from your parents and it hasn't really become your own. You haven't really thought through the reasons why you believe what you believe and I think that's important and I would say that this process kind of happened for me as well.

Some people might grow up and it church that isn't really preaching the true gospel. There might be some distortions or confusion in their they may be rejecting a version of the faith that wasn't really Christianity and then reacting against that. So maybe there rejecting a legalistic version of Christianity, ending up in progressive Christianity, I've seen a few examples of that with some progressive leaders that when they talk about what they thought was the gospel or how what they were taught was the gospel.

It sounds like they didn't really understand the gospel that they rejected which is said Brandon Kimber with us today in the Christian review radio program, the creator of the American gospel films as a part one is a part two today were talking about part to both these films are making available you can go to our website@thechristianworldview.org to find out more. The next soundbite is on the issue of homosexuality how homosexuality is actually a litmus test for the division between biblical Christianity and progressive Christianity in this soundbite you have Bart Campolo Pres. Barack Obama Tony Jones Bart Campolo's father, Tony Campolo and so you're going to hear from them and also from Russell Berger who was was a biblical Christian fired from CrossFit over his views on homosexuality here is from American gospel. The second film took me a long time to be open about that like very early on.

I realize I clock the Bible is wrong about this one. It is important for me to go ahead and affirm that I think same-sex couples should be able to and when I look at Shannon of how not only our nation how professing Christians view this issue. You can definitely see how this particular fan has become somewhat of a line the same when I was faced with was the decision am I going to trust what God says about the session or mightiness just go with what the world my feelings's there's a time when you have to look in the mirror and say I have to go are my heart sleep. I just knew too many wonderful Christian people were in gay relationships. My dad has since come out in support of gay marriage, but for many years is not was like going too far as I'm married gay couples you know homosexuality name is yesterday. CrossFit HQ fired Russell Berger for basically saying homosexuality is a sin. Okay Brandon so this issue in our society today is everywhere you take an issue in politics or culture or whatever and it's always the issue of homosexuality somehow related to whether in marriage or transgender is him or some movement or some baker photographer it's always this issue. One of your guests in the films that this is the dividing line issue.

Why is homosexuality in all this put in parentheses and abortion actually wire.

They litmus test issues today. I think they really reveal your view on the authority and inerrancy of Scripture.

I think if you open up your Bible that it's pretty clear what the Bible says about that night. I think there are a lot of atheists that believe the same thing that the Bible does say homosexuality is a sin, but then you have people who would call themselves progressive Christians who will just do some type of I guess you call it gymnastics to get around that and Bart Campolo's case, yet gay roommates in college and he concluded the Bible is wrong and that realize that it was just a human book. According to him, your feelings.

You yourself become the authority of what truth is.

And so it really shows whether you are trying to follow the culture become more like the world or if you're trying to follow Scripture and separate yourself from the world.

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Here's from American gospel second film and you can have in this this soundbite Tony Jones again when the founders the emergent church going to have that podcast between these two young men from the. The deconstructionist podcast and also here from the biblical teacher Alister Begg. It's a bad question that is not answerable, you cannot answer what is the gospel is the Gaza resident. That's not the gospel.

Jesus was preaching the gospel before he died on the cross for sin: chapter 1. Jesus starts preaching the gospel was a preaching died yet impact any of so it must be more than his death on the cross, or we wouldn't even have a Gospels we would just have Jesus died here some Paul so if you want out and started preaching the gospel. I know that no matter what. Whatever he was preaching is different than what I've been told it's as a boy growing up. It was explained to me that the Bible is a book about Jesus. Jesus is himself the gospel, the good news.

He is the Lamb of God takes away the sin of the world as John the Baptist points to so in the Old Testament is predicted in the Gospels.

He's revealed in the acts he's preach in the epistles is explain and in the book of Revelation is expected the center of the message of both Jesus and Paul was Christ himself. Christ and the responses says I will submit. I will follow after Christ. Okay Brandon so answer that question for the progressive. He says Jesus could be preaching the gospel because of the Gospels about him dying.

He was preaching it before he actually died.

How would you answer that that issue and why is this typical of how progressive Christians twist things. The gospel is primarily a person like as Alister Begg said Jesus is himself the gospel so it's his person and work so included in that is who he is and what he has done to reconcile sinners to God. When Jesus is living out the gospel and he's doing his earthly ministry in the presence he'll say follow me when Paul is talking about Jesus and what he is what he is done in the past you is basically saying follow Christ. We preach Christ crucified repent and believe the gospel so it's the same thing in one sense, you have the gospel in flash telling people to follow him.

He hasn't worked out everything he was going to do yet. As far as dying but he still at the same time will say things like I am the good shepherd who lays down his life for his sheep.

So he is talking about what he's going to do. You'll hear a lot of progressives talk about the gospel of the kingdom. It might be hard for them to express what that is but a lot of times it ends up being something about social justice like Jesus came to help the poor and the outcast, but when we talk about the kingdom of God, we first have to remember that Jesus himself was that King and he claimed to be the long-awaited Messiah and when he preach the kingdom. It was the forgiveness of sins. He had the authority to forgive and the Pharisees heard him do that and said that was blasphemy because he was basically claiming to be God so Jesus is gospel of the kingdom you have Jesus forgiving sends based on the sacrifice that he was heading toward and in the gospel that Paul preaches it's the same thing believe in this king Jesus our Messiah for the forgiveness of sins. There's really no difference. It's just kind of a matter of perspective.

Brandon Kimber with us today on the Christian really again talking about his second film titled the American gospel. Christ crucified, let's do one follow-up on this issue of the gospel that often the gospel is presented in starts with just about our sin. You're a sinner and you need to be saved, but this particular soundbite in the film. I believe Paul washer is in it. Really good sound preacher and a couple others talk about that really isn't the best starting point to explain the gospel there is that attribute of God, the sum of the attributes of God which will explain in this soundbite is the best place to start.

One problem with the American gospel values.

It will start very wrong place.

We start with the cross of Jesus Christ grasp Olympics, the Savior that they don't even know they need me. This is why we have so many false conversions. We will be given have to mention what we have to understand is the gospel primarily has to do with the attributes of God, not just the sin of man see the sin of man would be a problem if God was like us. But God is not like an old perfectly together into one glorious whole and you consume them all by saying God is holy and of course the signature texture that is Isaiah chapter 6 when the year the king's iodide. The prophet Isaiah went into the temple he encounters God and that is just six as he sees God listed and then he hears the Angels crying out holy, holy. When something is repeated three times. It takes it to the superlative.

The Angels are crying out is holier holy. Yes, that was several different people you interviewed in the film from Kim are the first one was then went to Paul washer to Phil Johnson of grace to you than the pastor Steve Lawson talking about holiness being the starting point, the gospel. So Brandon, why is that starting this point so important and perhaps starting at the wrong point of the gospel. This time, people your sinner need to be saved. How did that potentially lead to say the younger generation to for their faith to be deconstructed to not to not really understand where they really need to be safe from if you don't understand who the God of the Bible is in his attributes correctly than the gospel isn't really making much sense because we are being saved from the wrath and justice of God primarily our sin problem. It only makes sense because God isn't like us. He's he's holy meaning he's separate from sin. He's other. He's transcendent, are set apart and so once we understand that as part of understanding the bad news which actually makes the good news makes sense when talking about the attributes of God.

One of the other important passages that I get into in the film is in Exodus 34 verse six through seven Moses on the mountain and the Lord reveals who he is, his glory to him and he says the Lord, the Lord God, compassionate and gracious, slow to anger and abounding in lovingkindness and truth who keeps steadfast love for thousands, who forgives iniquity and transgression and sin, but he will by no means leave the guilty unpunished so you have a God who is willing to forgive all types and kinds of sin. Yet at the same time he saying all sin and all sinners will be punished. No sin will be left unpunished.

So this seems like a contradiction, but it's resolved perfectly in the cross because you have God forgiving sin in the person of his son Jesus Christ. He is revealing his love and his grace by willingly taking our punishment for sin, but we also see that God remains just because we have God the father punishing sin in Jesus on the cross so no sin is left unpunished, but he is still able to forgive and that act yet goes back to that verse in Romans 11 confronting right now that God is both just and he's the justifier media Justin that every sin will be punished. We can either choose to pay the punishment ourselves or God graciously offers to have his son pay the punishment for us and then we believe and trust in him and his work on the cross and he can be our justifier. He can declare us righteous because all our sins have been paid for by by Christ.

It just so profound it certainly is profound or listening to interviewed Brandon Kimber today here in the Christian world you like I said, these films will make you think. And as I was listening to his answer very specific about the gospel. I realize that this is what the problem was is in evangelical churches today. The seeker movement and so forth fun and games for the kids when you know they needed to be hearing need to be hearing this, the need to be very grounded in sound doctrine which when these people who come on and inject out and says what he does could be preaching the gospel before he actually died.

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The evangelical church Lutheran Church in America, the Presbyterian Church USA Episcopal Church, the American Baptist churches United Church of Christ those of the mainline denominations and and a couple more and those are marked completely by this progressive Christianity. Then today in the probing the hearing how this emergent movement. This emergent church movement, which came out of started in early 2000's, and so forth with people like Brian McLaren, Rob Bell and Tony Jones and others people like Jim Wallace and Tony Campolo all part of this that the different flavors but they're all in the same ballpark on on their doctrinal beliefs and how the really shallow teaching in evangelical church because so many of those who grew up in the church to be easily swayed away because they weren't grounded and in sound doctrine that is worked in on the issue of the gospel like that issue.

We are talking before this last break. How how could Jesus be preaching the gospel before he actually died. If the gospel is about Jesus death or things like homosexuality. If you're not grounded and though the word is your authority for knowing right from wrong, then one homosexuality becomes popularized in normalizing society you're professing Christian group in the church but like I just can't believe that anymore because you're you are not convicted your convictions are not deep enough to withstand a different message that culture is telling you so progressive Christianity just undermines or even just got is the word the core issues the core fundamentals of the faith and corrupt it so badly that it turns into a non-saving gospel and really a false religion.

That's what progressive Christianity. It's it's a false religion. So whether it's an attack on the authority in the inerrancy of Scripture that Scripture is in the final word. You cannot pick and choose her man's interpretation of Scripture is above it you like what do I think Bart Campolo said not just that the Bible is wrong on this one.

Also, he's the authority over Scripture or the issue of the the character and nature of God. God got the loving God, but he said had a wrathful one. No doubt the way he he committed, so to speak.

"Genocide against the people in the promised land.

He told Jacob to destroy every man woman and children. As you go into a village and so for this is not a God. I want to worship or with Christ there's always an attack on the person and work of Christ, of course, in a false way that he certainly not the only way like he says he was in John 14, six, and the way the truth and the life. No one comes to the father except through me. Or they tightly attack the heart of the gospel that the penal substitution that God sent his son to diving like that that sick that's that's that's cosmic child abuse. He was able to get into that one more next week or the issue of hell.

More next week on that one as well to if it even exists. That's disproportionate punishment. Why would God need to punish someone for eternity in the lake of fire for a few sins against him. And if if there is some punishment after death that's sitting on it eternal, probably Bobby get annihilated or something or an issue of morality. The completely capitulate to the cultural morality of the of the day so homosexuality is okay living together before marriage. All the sky thing just redefine that it's basically religious humanism. Okay, so it's man based thought with a religious twang to it okay to talk about God, the talk about religious themes but it's really based on the word of man rather than the word of God serves religious humanism and it emerges with political leftism and so you see this from someone like people to judge the the dead that the that gay man whose cortical married right now I think is running second in the in the Democratic side for the nomination for president is the mayor of South Bend, Indiana. He speaks frequently about his cortical Christian beliefs, but he's a progressive Christian. He reinterprets and reimagines everything, same with Pres. Barack Obama was the exact same way as looking for a soundbite at this this morning I played it many years ago on the program and he is president couldn't find it but basically saying that his understanding of salvation is that a collective salvation.

When you when you work to save the community. That's what leads to your individual salvation that the typical progressive idea that salvation is not about individual saving of your stillbirth about working toward social justice and things in society when you say the community you save yourself and this is seductive for young people who have grown up in evangelical homes and churches. I guess that have been granted the word, and as with every lie.

There are things that sound right within progressive Christianity.

How could a good God. How could he told Jacob or Joshua to kill all those people as they enter the land or how could he have to send his son to die for. Since he didn't commit, but they're all just distortions of God's word or man putting himself above God were God's word and I think the the passage in Jude and it's a it's a Jews only one, one chapter but it describes exactly what progressive Christianity is about it. He says in Jude beloved. He writes well is making every effort to write to you about our common salvation, I felt the necessity to write to you appealing that you contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all handed down to the saints in their something to battle over here. This isn't something to hear from progressive Christianity is available 11 runs in their own lane and that's okay, people, souls are at stake. Young people are older people they get deconstructed by the staff. By this, these false ways. So now it needs to be brought to the light needs to be said what it is.

The leaders need to be pointed out know that's a false teacher. He will or she will lead you the wrong way away from true saving faith says in verse four for certain persons have crept in unnoticed. Those who were long before had marked out for this condemnation, ungodly persons who turn the grace of our God into licentiousness and did not deny our only Master and Lord Jesus Christ. There is the core of what they do. They are licentious. There's always immorality involve either involved in immorality themselves or they promote it there is no holiness in their lives. If you knew what their lives were like behind the scenes you would not see a pursuit of sanctification or holiness, and they twist they twist the gospel of Jesus Christ. And it goes on to talk about in this passage that that God is going to judge the world and that's something they reject his judgment of God that there is hell exists. Read more in Jude 3 that there their own authority.

These these people.

These progressive Christians. They don't look to the God and his word is their authority, their ungodly there they inject doubt into people's minds. That's what they do. They take things and they never really thought of the faith that way and then if it includes the chapter by saying go back to the word get grounded in the word and get grounded in the gospel of Jesus Christ that the answer to this kind of thing so there's not an undermining subversive influence of progressive Christianity, we have another week next week coming up, but I hope you'll tune in for that.

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