“Systemic Racism” and the Christian Response (Part 1 of 2)

Systemic racism in the Christian response part one of our two-part series on this topic is our topic today here in the Christian worldview radio program with the mission is to sharpen the biblical worldview of Christians share the good news that all people can be reconciled to God through faith in Jesus Christ, I'm David. We are hosting our website the Christian worldview.org. Thank you for joining us today as we talk about systemic racism in the Christian response.

Not following the death of a black man named George Floyd under the knee of a white Minneapolis police officer named Derek's children widespread protest and violence continue to shake our nation. The narrative that is most frequently and loudly being repeated by the mainstream media Democrat politicians and some Republicans woke corporations, celebrities, people of all ethnicities and many evangelical Christians is that America is systemically racist against Blacks in major quote change is needed of the word systemic means that something is present in an entire system or body not merely localized or the exception to the rule, so the accusation of systemic racism is that the entire body of America from the government to the courts to the police, especially the police to the educational system to business to healthcare to churches to individuals, oppressors, black people, but is there actually evidence that this is true, and if not, what are the consequences of believing a falsehood and why are so many professing evangelical Christians and churches expressing support for this prevailing narrative Darrell Harrison and Virgil Walker, host of the just thinking podcast.

Join us today on the Christian worldview radio program to discuss their experience being black in America and how Christians should think about the issue of sinful ethnic prejudice with the world. Mislabeled racism was get to the first segment of that interview Virgil. You haven't been on the Christian worldview before our listeners will be very familiar with Darrell, who was our keynote speaker at our last Christian worldview speaker series event so Virgil will start with you.

Tell us about your background, how you were saved, what was your your growing up years like came to Christ, ran high school dear friend of mine John Lindsay who was my best friend at the time to come back from the summer break and I was serious about his faith. I got a chance to watch his example and he would bring me into just a process of evangelism.

A long story short, I would come to know very quickly that I was a sinner in need of a Savior and that the only way of salvation was by faith and repentance and faith in Jesus Christ.

And so shortly thereafter after coming to a saving knowledge of Christ be baptized and become part of your church circles from that sample at the time I was involved in that the church of Christ actually went to church Christ College for a number of years. It was interesting about that is my background for my parents, as is more Pentecostal. So would come home and have debates with my parents about what you know what was a 40 day what was it for today.

You know, with regard to gifts of the spirit and all that I was chilly that Mary Dare in Tulsa, Oklahoma on my family. I would move to Omaha, Nebraska, as I would take a job in the pharmaceutical sales. My wife, my three children. We been here now for little over a decade on adult discipleship pastor there at Westside church and it sent to SBC church about 2500 people three campuses I provide oversight of all the adult education in that space. Thank you for letting us know about your background. Darrell just for new listeners out there who didn't get to hear your story when you're on the program last summer. Just give us a brief bit about your background as well, originally from Atlanta, Georgia, native of Atlanta born and raised in some of the most dangerous inner-city housing projects on the west side of the city. My mother is a child wore what would I like to say what spiritual pass in the family.

The first recover.

Remember going to believe it or not.

The worship style standpoint was sort of a combination of Pentecostalism and Roman Catholicism.

If you can believe it had a female pastor who went by the title of Archbishop. She was married to a Roman Catholic priest graduated high school wins of the military, nine days after graduating high school just six years in the US Army ended up joining First Baptist Church of Atlanta were Dr. Charles Bailey ethic is still senior pastor there and ended up staying there for about 23 years is also the Baptist churches are 5 1st Ave., Solano was Arminian in this altered reality. So it was at that point, however, that I was say that's what I came to faith in Christ. Someone from the orchestra at the first Baptist church of Atlanta orchestra came and visited me at my apartment let me down. The Romans Road that was my first awareness that I was a sinner in need of a Savior got married while was there. I have two adult children was introduced to a reformed theology, about seven or eight years ago. Starting allow the Puritans and then came to an understanding of what work was at first was the doctors of grace and just realize that how I understood salvation was just totally raw so just last year, an opportunity to relocate from Atlanta. It's here to Alysia California to come and serve a grace to you, which is the Bible teaching ministry of Dr. John MacArthur I serve in the capacity of idea social media so I'm in is also sued before. Grace to you been part of with this gentleman, Virgil Walker here for about two years. All the just thinking podcast is having to have a ball parted with him in that ministry again. Darrell Harrison and Virgil Walker with us today on the Christian Realty as we talk about the so-called race protests and riots going on in this country. What was your experience for both of you growing up black in America there's lots of different experiences that black families have some have probably very little interaction with the type of things that are being complained about her aggrieved about right now, but that what was your both experience growing up in this country. For me there's not a distinction of what it means to grow up black. I grew up in America. My experience is unique to my own.

We have been programmed to believe that there is one monolithic cortical black experience or or that or that all Blacks experience some of the same things. I think humans experience all humans experience prejudice. All humans experience racism all humans experience some form of sin against them by someone else and so I don't think my experience because of the level of melanin in my skin is unique to mean that it would be to someone else him with all that is backdrop have I experienced people are sinning against me because of my ethnicity or absolutely. But the thing is, I've had that experience both from people who had the same melanin count were more melanin in their skin and I have an experience that from people who had less melanin count that than I have. So for me to characterize.

That is why people did this to me would be foolish because I could easily say black people did this to me as as well and I really try to try to rephrase that my expenses been one of growing up in a with a wonderful family of mom and dad love and care for one another as imperfect as they were designed to make the best of what they had for us as a family on my dad taught me incredibly hard work ethic.

I taught me that I needed to do what I needed to do to be successful taught me to be self-reliant, independent, taught me to the love neighbor to have integrity not to lie those kinds of natural thing that they call good parents try to scale it in their natural and that those of been my experiences have I have experienced people doing egregious things toward me on the basis of my ethnicity, yes, but that is not unique to a black person or a white person that that that that all people of all of all ethnicities who have been difficult because of the sin nature that's in all of humankind's start there. Well said to be could say the same thing for Christians as well.

There there treated differently because of their beliefs. Of course, and anyone who is a follower of Christ, a certain experience that Darrell is go over to you real quick is any particular noteworthy things from your background the course itself. David do you know if ill treatment that I've experience would be a black most people when they pose that question is such a one-sided question because intrinsic with the question, is the assumption that any ill-treatment you have experienced for being black has been at the hands of someone who's not black and I can tell you from my experience any ill-treatment that I've experience has been from black people has been for people who look like me. So early on just a moment ago I thought about my background little bit. I've been held up at gunpoint twice in my life robbed at gunpoint twice in my life each time was by someone who looked like me, not by someone who looks like you David sold a look at the question, what think about the question you just asked, I automatically think about the assumptions that are built into that question that any ill-treatment of the I've experience is number one because I'm black and then number two. For that reason is been at the hands of somebody who's not black.

Our experience and this is another stereotype that he and I as conservative black reformed Christians have to deal with on almost daily basis that because we fear a similar shade of melanin that every single aspect of our being is exactly the same on that solely on that basis. Every other ethnicity on this planet not just in America gives the benefit of the doubt that there unique individuals in the black space it, especially an American I hate to use the term black community, but I'll use it for the sake of conversation in the black community would lock in the same bucket not not only by people who don't look out like us but it's probably worth by people who look like us who expect us to think alike float alike responded to injustices alike. I often think about how as a black person, especially in America you are allowed. You are permitted you it is acceptable to choose what career you want to have what school you want to go to where you want to live what church you will not say what religious worldview you want to have. But when it comes to a sociopolitical worldview. If you don't land on the was welcome to Florida more liberation theology sort of crystal Marxist worldview. The activist evangelism perspective. If you don't land in that space. You're totally ostracized, no matter how your resume may look in terms of street creator, how but you suffer public to be the given back to the cortical community.

If you don't land in that space in terms of ideology is as if you don't exist. We are unique individuals that we share a similar shade of melanin.

We are created uniquely in the image of God just like anyone else. Again, Darrell Harrison and Virgil Walker today with us on the Christian worldview.

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To do so or their website just thinking.me okay. The two things I really want to focus on in her interview today are the accusation of systemic racism as being the reason that other protests and riots are taking place.

That's what's behind them all. That's were being told, and then the second thing I like to focus on is the Christian response. The church's response. All that's taking place today. Let's start with you Darrell on the question of just the protests and the violence in the riots themselves are taking place now started here in the Twin Cities. Now it's all over the country. Why do you think these protests these riots at this time, have descended to this degree. Right now this is the worst I think it's been in this country from a quote unquote racial conflict standpoint in in many decades.

Okay were going to have Darrell answer that question after this first regular day here on the Christian worldview talking about systemic racism in the Christian response can be a very different narrative that is being pushed full-time by the media by other people or organizations, even by evangelical Christians right now, so stay tuned for the rest the program today. I'm David week. The Christian will be more coming up after this people everywhere have anxiety about the coronavirus pandemic. What will happen to their help, their job, their financial future. There is also heightened spiritual awareness is not doing my right with him. We encourage you to order Ray conference 20 page booklet how to be free from the fear of death, which explains how one can have peace with God in a confident hope this life and the next good news of the gospel.

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Would Darrell and Virgil, why do you think these protests these riots at this time, have descended to this degree. Right now this is the worst I think it's been in this country from a quote unquote racial conflict standpoint in in many decades. I don't know if it's so much worse than any other business in it at least a reek of recent decades will we get riots and protests that are violent. What I see is that this is this is just a new opportunity for our sinful nature to manifest itself in ways that it always does. We just have a new generation of participants mess. The only thing this different here. Same sin different participants. That's all this going on so I have to a certain degree, claimant the church for this.

Let me put that into some context because if you want to go back to try to connect by old experience, especially how I grew up in the city with what I'm seeing in urban areas like my home city of Atlanta. What I'm seeing here in LA Virgil's nothing in Omaha was going on up Baltimore, Washington DC, Chicago cities like that.

These are areas where you have large minority populations in terms of ethnicity. What the gospel is not being preached in the cities. The gospel of heart regeneration, confession and repentance of sin. Just the doctrine of sin, the reality of sin and what it means in our everyday existence and how our sinfulness of impacts one another is society is just not being taught. So when you see people responded, and listen.

Let's be honest here. A lot of these protesters allow these demonstrators who are out there doing Dan doing violence will probably profess to be Christians. What were seeing is just totally antithetical to first John 215 do not love the world will do things in the world because this world is passing away. We see people responding like this to perceived injustices and I emphasize the work proceed because the incident in Minnesota that has triggered these protests or what people are saying has triggered these protests has not been fully adjudicated yet this is not the response for me as an individual us as a church. Matter fact this is the expected reality that we should anticipate daily in a world that's just handicapped by sin. So when you look at that way.

I have to say is the church our pulpits in these cities, preaching the biblical gospel starting off with our sin nature could general sin nature and how Christ came to deal with that no form the standpoint of systemic injustice.

I will address that that her for second. Nothing that is deemed systemic ever occurs in a vacuum. Whether were talking about a metastasizing disease such as cancer or societal malady, such as what I like to call it ethnic prejudice. What people call racism I call ethnic prejudice. None of that ever occurs in a vacuum. There is always an origin and cause always in the case of the latter. In the case of sinful ethnic prejudice that origin and cause is invariably the sin that resides in the heart of every single one of us so when someone says well I want that police officer who allegedly murdered George Flory.

I want justice for that individual will what they really want is vengeance because we look at justice from God's employee and whether or not we have a problem of systemic racism in America anything the systemic begins with the individual begins with one heart. The reason we had Jim Crow laws is because one person got the idea and then desperate to another person and another person in the next thing you know the law of the land so we have to look at all of this to the biblical harm. Archaeology of sin being the root cause and then little bit to that Darrell did a fantastic job of unpacking that intense and acknowledging the fact that what's what people are interested in is is not justice their interest in vengeance, which is why they have no problem validating lawlessness in the streets was reading an article they had crashed in a a target store and taken out a bunch of merchandise and when interviewed their thought process was all target was built on slave monies on just taking backwards dooming those kinds of things that are being said as as as a result, what people are looking for is revenge is vengeance.

I'll add this to what was said about systemic races. I think we use terminology bought from the culture and is as believers is imperative that we use language that Scripture provides for us. If the physician misidentified the diagnosis is decided that that the cure that's needed or the medication that needed it won't be sufficient it to take care or to treat I what ails and what we need to do is go back to biblical language will talk about systemic racism. First, we need understand what's meant by systemic I'm turning in my Bible to Romans chapter 5. Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, so death spread to all men because all sin, if you're looking for something systemic that thing which is systemic sin. That's what's meant by systemic I agree what's meant by back by race. Is this something biblical rather than race says, which is something that does not exist, biblically speaking, we understand that from one man came all man acts 1726 so the truth is that all of us black, white, red, yellow-brown are one race of people, biblically speaking software can understand cortical systemic racism. What we need to understand is me to change it from systemic racism to the words imputed sin.

Biblically speaking, what we're talking about is not something that the cultures called or identified as systemic racism that we need to understand and identify is what's called imputed sin, the sin of Adam. Imputed to mankind. Therefore, we can now present not only have we can present the proper cure which is the gospel of Jesus Christ deal Harrison and Virgil Walker join us today. The hosts of the just thinking podcast talking about systemic racism in the church's response to it. Let me give you a definition if you will, of how the world perceives systemic racism, systemic racism, they would say is toward people of color that their term generally, but specifically may be mostly towards those who are black. This is from an online website of a very well-known Corporation and says we ought to do a better job of calling out systemic racism here are seven ways. We know that it's real and they give seven different categories here that proves that our society is systemically racist. According to wealth, employment, education, criminal justice, housing, surveillance and healthcare. Sardis can read one sentence for each one to ask you to respond to somebody's thing to say whether these are in fact actually true or there's no explanation for this is that nonblacks are ethnically prejudice as Terrell said toward black so wealth according to one study, like, I can attest to the truthfulness of the studies are missed and read what they wrote and you can correct it. If you know the difference. But anyway with what we regard to wealth white families hold 90% of the national wealth Latino families 2.3, and black families 2.6. Therefore, the conclusion they would have his systemic racism number two employment black unemployment rate has been consistently twice that of whites over the past 60 years.

Therefore, the conclusion is systemic racism toward black number three education black children constitute 18% of preschoolers nationwide. They make up nearly 50% of suspensions black students are three times more likely to be suspended than white students achievement gap in schools that are majority black. Therefore, the conclusion of this corporation is systemic racism toward Blacks criminal justice is the fourth one black make up 13% of the population. They represent about 40% of the prison population once arrested black people are convicted more often than white people. Therefore, again, the conclusion is there must be systemic racism against Blacks housing people of color are told about and shown fewer homes and apartments than white, black, ownership is now at an all-time low.

Again conclusion is there must be systemic racism toward Blacks surveillance. The last two. More than half of all young black people know someone including themselves, who has been harassed by police black drivers are about 30 times more likely. According to this than whites to be pulled over by police conclusion again systemic racism toward Blacks last category from this corporate website and systemic racism is with the issue of healthcare. Black Americans are far more likely than whites to lack access to emergency medical care. The hospitals they go to tend to be less well-funded and staffed by practitioners with less experience. Conclusion the country. The systems of this country are systemically racist toward Blacks will stay with you Darrell. You take a few of those in and Virgil you take a few of those and explain how that is not systemic racism or is systemic racism and how you see this particular worldview because it's incredibly pervasive and is really the justification for all the protesting rights going on right now that despite interesting that this website wants to list a bunch of numbers to argue for what they're saying is a problem with attitude.

Attitude okay will let Darrell explain what he means by that because these are the statistics that have been repeated over and over and over again improving the huge charge of all these race riots in protests and demonstrations. The country is systemically racist.

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They make up nearly 50% of suspensions black argue just as well to get that stat some context is that a lot of that is due to the level of single-parent homes in black committees where there is no father there's no one to apply discipline and balance in the home. There is no male father figure for these young black men and young black daughters to look up to the abortion rate in black neighborhoods is that is a statistic that is not listed here. 72%. I believe abortion rate in black communities in America, criminal justice Blacks make up 13% of the population.

They represent about 40% of the prison population. What was was not talked about and that 13% number is what percentage of black people in America are victims of crimes by that same 13% population so here again we have a statistic which is a huge assumption behind it that the 13% of the population of the black population is in prison doesn't deserve to be there there innocent by virtue of their ethnicity so that this these are virtue statistics right here. This is virtue signaling, by statistic, with no context whatsoever at the bottom line on disposal by this website are agreeing that the way to remedy what is essentially a social disparity as they see it, that is caused by prejudicial attitudes is that you fix the attitude by remedying these numbers and it just doesn't make sense. This is nonsensical to me what you think. I appreciate what you what you shared appreciate the statistics. Most folks gravitate toward numbers like this for the purpose of proving a point. The point that they wanted to make is they made the diagnosis, rather than taking the time to go through and fundamentally identify what each of the unique problems are they simply laced a label on it. Systemic racism and by which they're going to present a cure. What's scarier than than the misdiagnosis of the problem is what the cure is going to be and what they're going to prescribe. As a result, he prescribed more times than not is really a an additional stand on humanity is the sin of partiality now in order to remedy in order to remedy what they see as as a problem. It now becomes incumbent upon all of white society who had no direct participation in many of these issues to do something on their behalf to help those who are identified as other big problem when you have these issues with with these inequities and end their over and in their label under one diagnostic right which is systemic racism.

We deftly as believers. The only way to really identify what's going on is to get to the pit to the root of the issue in the homes and, for example, and I could pull up a number of statistics. If anyone wants to do the homework and look at the issue of fatherlessness children in father absent homes are four times more likely to be poor in 2011 12% of children and married couple families were living in poverty, compared to 44% of children and mother only homes. In other words, when you have a single parenthood rate of 72% in the black families in black neighborhoods in the black community, so to speak, you're going to have more crime which puts more of those black men in positions whether engaged with police officers and the statistics follow rather than doing that kind of diagnostic work, rather than going on in identifying standards in the heart of the human condition. And it's and its solution, which is the gospel of Jesus Christ. It's easier just to say hey here are all of the stats, here's the problem. When we know what we know how to diagnosis.

The diagnosis is cortical systemic racism and we know what the cure is the cure is and what they're going to say is that you is to deconstruct the systems that have power in an effort to put other broken sinful human beings into power so that they can thereby abuse power in an effort to and in their works to provide some level of equity. This is not a solution. This is this is this is disastrous for our country for nation and for the individuals it affects director cannot just add one more thing.

The word Virgil said on our podcast. We did an episode titled a biblical theology of the role of government. Part of my thesis in that episode was that I think this ties into the statistics at this website is conveying and what they're trying to argue these statistics buy into the myth that there should be equity in this letter and in the summer. That is a myth. Scripture doesn't teach that. But society does that society says what the ultimate goal of a fair and just society.

True justice means equity across the board and that no one should ever do without anything. The problem was that number one is not biblical.

Number two bullet points for dismayed is because of the sin nature that indwells each and every one of us. Equity will never be a reality in this world. I want to mention that is was a sort of a caveat to an underlying argument that the statistics are trying to make is that ultimately the goal should be an equitable society were everyone has what they need and often times has what they want, but who defies that who defines what equitable is who defines how a just society will look, but biblically the word of God says there should be no partiality whatsoever at Leviticus 1915.

I'll just read that will briefly you shall do no injustice and judgment. You shall not be partial to the poor, nor defer to the great so you look at the statistics from this website they're violating that commandment. Not that there a Christian NC but the principle is there violating the precept of Leviticus 1915 by showing prejudicial bias, even to the poor, even that's a sit. I had one yesterday morning and just briefly the issue of systemic racism presupposes the victim is and who the oppressor is all of those statistics were in an effort to presuppose the idea that that the root of the problem at the root of the problem of all of these cortical inequities is the white man, it's the white man and as a result what's going to happen is when the solutions get prescribed.

It's going to require someone white paying for something that they played absolutely no part, no role, had no responsibility for, but on the basis of how how things are set up. Statistically speaking, what we've the manner in which we been educated in our in our education system. K-12 not include the indoctrination that takes place at college there.

Depending upon the fact that you been trained well to to respond in a specific way.

This is no different than in the narrative that out currently. The media recognizes that the point at which you say white cop black man they trust that you've been educated to the degree that you're going to have an automatic response you not ask any questions. Your automatic response will be.

When you hear white cop black victim will be that racist. I don't need a bit of evidence to prove it. I don't need to go and find out anything else in the statistics are designed for you to have that that similar natural response to presuppose that someone white is at fault.

They are to blame, and therefore they must pay that's problematic I think is there was mentioning earlier and you just said that immediately. This case of Derek Shaw than the police officer.

The white police officer who had his knee in the back of the neck of George Florida black man it's already been conclusion made that there it was racism and that he was doing and it could be. He may have hated black people but that hasn't been established yet. But then there's the next leap that's immediately made will therefore, the entire Minneapolis Police Department is dominated by those who hate black people, and then by extension that the next leap that is assumed and made is that while the entire society of America is systemically racist, going 400 years back which are governor and the mayor.

Minneapolis has been repeating. You talked about this issue of systemic racism in and in explaining how these statistics really show more of personal choices, lack of family structure and so forth. So Virgil is there with you on this and why did the great Society programs of the 1960s to the court of describing what those were ambitious series of policy initiatives legislation and programs spearheaded by Pres. Lyndon Johnson with the main goals of ending poverty, reducing crime and abolishing inequality. Why didn't these solutions. The policies instituted back then why has that move the dial on some of these these maladies that people see within the black community. The answer to that question is coming up in our final segment of the day that's next here in the Christian review radio program. I'm David. We David Wheaton here to tell you about my boys then story of love, loss and grace then was a yellow lab and inseparable companion stage of my life when I was single, competing in the professional tennis to. I invite you to enter into the story's tapestry of relationships within my aging parents, child, friend. I would finally Mary and ultimately with God caused all things, even the hard things to work together. Order the book for your friend who needs to hear about God's grace in the gospel for the one who is going through a difficult trial or long just a dog lover in your life. Signed a personalized copy only available@myboyben.com or by calling one AAA 646-2233. That's one AAA 46 2233 or my boy been.com. People everywhere have anxiety about the coronavirus pandemic. What will happen to their help, their job, their financial future. There is also heightened spiritual awareness is not doing my right with him. We encourage you to order Ray comfort 20 page booklet how to be free from the fear of death, which explains how one can have peace with God in a confident hope this life and the next good news of the gospel. If you've never contacted the Christian will view because the booklet how to be free from the fear of death free by calling us at one AAA 646-2233 for everyone else. You can order as many as you like for $0.50 per booklet, perfect for sharing with order go to the Christian worldview.org or call one AAA 646-2233 the Christian world.org very full segment ahead here in the last leg of the day here in the Christian really are talking about systemic racism.

Our guests are Darrell Harrison and Virgil Walker. The host of the just thinking podcast is straight back to our final moments of the day with them.

Virgil there with you on this and why did the great Society programs of the 1960s to the court of describing what those were ambitious series of policy initiatives legislation and programs spearheaded by Pres. Lyndon Johnson with the main goals of ending poverty, reducing crime and abolishing inequality. Why didn't these solutions, the policies instituted back then why has not move the dial on some of these these maladies that people see within the black community. Again it goes back to what we talked about about that earlier you misdiagnosed the disease, the cure that you're going to prescribe is not in and of itself helpful. We got the history about Lyndon Baines Johnson. We keep it.

He was deftly no no friend of of the cortical African-American community the kinds of things that he stated the kinds of things he said were all in an effort to ensure that that black communities and he did a great job that black communities would be voting Democrat for the rest of their lives was his whole point is what was that he would have black folks and he needed use that word he said he would have black folks voting Democrat for the next 200 years, and he knew that the way to do that was to go about providing some of these cortical solutions. His efforts were benevolent by any stretch of imagination they had an in and of themselves, the promotion of his own cause his own bit it was to his own benefit and to his parties benefit for years to come. We actually didn't get an entire episode about the issue of socialism which unfortunately was team more more black to lean in leftist ways.

Economically speaking and otherwise these programs were designed to help. That's why we are finding that they don't help because they've never identified. They misidentified what the cause is. And so therefore they're going to prescribe the absolute wrong cure.

Gerald you want to add to that judge's and a couple things. A lot of that buys into a misunderstanding of what the role of government is we have such a a paternalistic or paternalistic views if you will of government debt. Government exists to provide for us from cradle to grave which is have descendent but is theological spit on it. We have gained this visage. Somehow, somewhere, that there should be no suffering in this world you can't get more antithetical to what the Bible teaches about this world and to believe that there should be no suffering. If Jesus taught nothing else outside of the fact that you need to repent of your sins. He taught that in this world you will have suffering and that suffering is a result of this world being cursed by sin will start to sound redundant here but but everything comes back to the sin issue every single thing comes back to the sin issue used the word malady earlier.

David and I think you know to answer the question about why these cortical programs haven't moved the dial is because these are maladies they're not maladies. These are situations that are the result of the biblical principle of reaping and sowing. This is what happens in a world that is involved in sin, you get where we make wrong decisions we make simple decisions.

We don't apply biblical principles to how we handle our money. We don't apply biblical precepts to how we handle our marriage relationships.

We don't apply biblical precepts to how we raise our children how we operate on the job. How we conduct ourselves within the ecclesiastical body, the church, I could go on and on. So a lot of this is can be attributable to just God's principal universal principle applies to every person on this planet that you reap what you sow. But we've inverted that so that we look to the government to remedy what God's universal principles are supposed to bring about. So we have this disorder, paternalistic view of government whereby we look to the to provide for us, or to say yes to us what God is said no to Darrell Harrison and Virgil Walker with us today is our guests on the Christian real. The hosts of the just thinking podcast you need to get this podcast I hope is your getting a flavor of what they they talk about regularly on the program that you will go and sign up for their free podcast at iTunes or Google player to score their website just thinking.me, Darrell is the Dean of social media at Grace to you. Virgil is a discipleship pastor at Westside church in Omaha, Nebraska back to you dearly. We've talked about that the situation some of the that the sin that that affects all people any melanin count. Of course, but with regards to the black community than if these great society programs didn't help because of the sin issue. How did the black community get to the point where there in the situation they consider themselves to be and then it is a great question within the blackberry tribalism is so entrenched as a mindset is a is a way of life and what I mean by tribalism.

I defined tribalism in the in this is that your ethnicity within black America.

You're asking the city should drive every aspect of your existence in this country. Everything you do every decision you make should be for the benefit of the tribe first.

An individual 2nd decile of ethnic tribalism means more for black Americans than any other ethnic group in this country.

So for example white Americans is perfectly fine for them to make autonomous decisions that benefit themselves individually, but effect is probably a lot of the injury that some black people have about white people is that they look out for themselves. You look at the world through a tribalism window didn't you see others success as being attributable to your failure so you succeed David on the heels of my failure.

My poverty has directly contributed to your students test. Therefore, you owe not just me but you owe us and that's what the collective tribalism comes in.

You don't have to go any for any further back than the comments by one former VP Joe Biden. He knew black culture well enough.

Having served with Barack Obama that he could speak to the tribalism that is a part of the culture and what he said was that he had a problem choosing between Trumper Biden with regard to voting, you ain't black. That only makes sense to folks in the community who have made decisions solely on the basis of the lands of the melanin count in their skin and they continue to make those decisions on a regular consistent basis to some of the poor conditions that we find ourselves in, and I know you remember this to Darrell, grown-up if you spoke English well write it. If you have hello yes if you if you enunciated your language well you were you weren't being black. If you made good grades in school. Quickstart is a young lady that I like in school. She black girl I was making good grades got on the Dean's list. She would give me the time of day because I wasn't black enough because my grades were good miss of these are the kinds of things that are happening within black cortical black culture that try ballistic in nature that really harm us and caused us to be in some of the horrifying conditions that we find ourselves in. You play what I just said in a for black audience. They will call me all kinds of names for pushing what's happening in reality in our communities out on the front porch so to speak. I'm not supposed to say those things in mixed company for fear that I'll let RC be sure to tune in next week for part two.

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