Josh Graham and Patrick Johnson join Adam for our Friday Round Table segment, and just like always, this one didn't disappoint.

All right it's time for our roundtable. Johnson and TJ on air 94 three to gain the Greenville and the Hon. Josh read that Josh Graham radio from sports of triad at today's edition is entitled Joshua Wright and Joshua wrong and so I'm going to start glad that I told you that it's not easy and it was noted to left and I will I will start hardware like Josh, I know Monica are jostling to start with where you were wrong. First I will get to where you are right in a little bit so so Josh met rule should not have gotten year three and I will just go… Admit your mistake don't agree with that at all. I don't think Carolina should have fired met rule after two years because regardless of what level you are in the NFL, especially an owner might you delete takes notice of the way that you act and if you decide to fire the builder. Two years into a seven year contract. Your job becomes less desirable now.

Don't say oh it's one of 32. It's always going to be desirable. I understand that but I do think the job today because they decided not to fire Matt rule after your two is a lot more desirable than it would've been last year. Also from a competitive standpoint when you consider they have second round draft pick this year they're going to be one of the three worst teams in the NFL going to have a chance to grab a quarterback by the way, there are quarterbacks work drafting the next year's class work drafting earlier this year, so I don't think it was a mistake to bring Matt rule back all when you consider just sending signals when you're in NFL owner, especially when it first higher firing the guy supposed to show progress in year three. Two years into a seven year deal makes you look dysfunctional. All right you you did a very good job justifying where you were wrong but didn't do a good enough job Patrick Johnson a bit before before I explained where went where went sideways project where where are you on the met rule trailer park person of I don't know what the Rock Hill situation firing, the builder has the do with Matt rule, you know, but the whole of the situation there that you know what he's got guys David Pepper that everybody that they're looking at that rule getting out of this thing was 60 some million dollars owed to so nobody nobody in their right mind looking very tame attempt, thereby Josh, you presented case, it was really well done, but it is one of 32 somebody ago because they know that the hillside into a gargantuan contract with a ton of money guaranteed because that's what he did with Matt rule I figure that argument doesn't that carry water out of the question. Is Carolina. If you look at firings going into this next cycle. Would you say Carolina is a more desirable job now that it would've been a year ago when the quantity been attracted Matt to come into or they could even attract someone better than big Mac going. Matt rules that Josh Everett people popularly made that this was good to be well or the other to be at or around Matt rule but again I don't think I hear what you're saying about wealth, but I think your choices were limited. Nobody in the right line knew that he was going to make it out of your three more than likely, let alone be on beer. There is nothing that was turning anybody there any trim lines were turning toward going to get better this season it's actually gotten worse gone and got rid of them after the second year and started over.

David Pepper got a a lot of things you got internally to get this thing going in the right direction really picking responsibility for the gift of dumpster fire however you slice it up and it's just going to.

I hate that because I really think you will be a really good candidate quite effectually and could end up being right for all things worked out. I still love you have that opportunity because this is going from really really backed up much much work silently years here's the actual answer just a theory is sound like I'm praising the sound but the evidence in year two, which was probably worse then year one to lead you to the decision that all right, it's not good to get better.

I can't hire credible coaching staff because of all of the problems that we all knew that that was going to end after this year. We just all know of course we did, of course, we saw of what I'm sorry you didn't Josh put all the signs were there.we might fire Zach Taylor after this year. Josh met rule was 0% better in year two, then year one no there was no improvement in any aspect of the way he coached the football team the same problems that he had timeouts being unprepared, not knowing a game plan in year one were still there and I would argue worse in game two.

In year two and if you anybody thought it was going to get better. They were full and apparently the owner was afraid to admit a mistake and this is what you get. You get further regression and what they have done now is they have wasted time and I don't know how long the rebuild is going to take but it's going to be somebody else's rebuild.

I look if it's the world's right. I don't care who the next coaches but your other point is the job anymore attractive today. Now it's the same. It was in a position it has nothing to do with it.

Don't get somebody to be the head coach because there are only so many of these and there are tons of people who want these jobs is the job of whether it's got better, or David Tepper.

It's the job of somebody to identify the right candidate who can do this right is not college. It's this is not Wisconsin versus Nebraska versus Arizona State versus wherever this is that there are 32 of these jobs, they are not all identical. It's not the Cowboys gig or the Packers gig but there's about 15 teams in the NFL that are identical in terms of their attractiveness and the Panthers are in that group so will have no shortage of options to be the head coach and honestly, if the owner was smarter about this, he would've pulled the plug. After two years, but again theory I think is sound, but in reality the they should have moved on.

All right, let's let me get 100. If you pull the plug. After your.

You don't have night or transmitting of the spam numbers probably buy something the Panthers fans want to numbers well for you live in some sort of run think that's on to say right now were going to go to where Josh was right.

I can we handle this weird Hanover.

Josh was right even with a healthy Devon. Larry, I think Lake is better than state based on what I've seen this year and I do think it comes down to this is no disrespect, I think comes down to the fact Dave Clawson's freaking elite. That's what I think it comes down to, and I think their offense of line is better. Josh there you go there's my there's my own massage do you.

I just I remember Joe will be is Joe Julio were looking at me saying well, like I had to head wound that happens all time. Like when I suggested that it was very simple of Wake Forest was a better football team in NC State last year right and left, right and just in the most simplistic way I thought okay when they got more votes in the preseason poll and when was the preseason play or be around the same.

I thought when NC State. What is the argument for then being matter. They were a year ago losing graphics on THE same way that North Carolina did and there are teams other than closing demonstrated multiple graphics on one side of the ball. You're able to absorb back a year later without drop off. Meanwhile, Wake Forest body back on offense and defensive coordinator the ICC to game upgraded at that spot. I don't know many other schools and the do. That is, given the result of getting so I was kind of maddening seeing how things were overlook with Wake Forest but that's par for the course when teams would steal their place six years ago and what would be an enormous scandal ground all planes happen in the SEC to Alabama now.

What he didn't recognize the so much so that Bruce Feldman put out a piece. Six years later. Earlier this summer, I had people asking me not like it it it is as simple as a major Wake Forest. Your your major mistake was telling me was right. By the way the water out of the Outer Banks for which you would.

That's right, they go Sam.

Sam Walker looked at wake wake is better than state. I don't think it's as simple as Josh pointed out, because things change players improve what we haven't seen is, I think a coaching staff involved in a minute. Flip and dissuade you Patrick because this is also about East Carolina.

I wasn't sure to what degree the opener was for NC State at ECU. I wasn't sure if that was ECU really played well or NC State may be not playing as well as we expected. I don't think we've seen a tall different from NC State. What have you seen from East Carolina over the past several weeks because I get the sense that there may be a game behind where they wanted to be.

They can move the football they've had problems completing drive scoring and really simple, brief you about turning over multiple times your own three.

Do not turn it over multiple times. Breanna it really that bad. Margin of error is not purely great old nailers while savvy is not a quarterback that is not above still making questionable decisions at times and puke.

I have a running game that complements him.

He did not have that against Tulane last timeout. Over couple times Q turnovers back so it's just that simple. And they got Memphis coming in is still licking wounds from a week ago today for your free touchdown leading into the handle Memphis. Oh I think so. I think so but Memphis is interesting because Memphis didn't score right on defense. Okay, little game for both. If you pick care of the football score and you'll be fine. Agrees Carolina and homegrown emphasis of invincible, but Memphis can come in and feature because Memphis as a pretty good quarterback. Then again in their own right and he is there with Roger. I pretty elite. I think when it comes to making plays a lot of people disagree that I think even in that Pratt Tulane might be best to quarterbacks right now my conflict so Josh is one of the victory.tomorrow all I think North Carolina does this really banged up and I just don't know if they'll have enough offensively they needed special teams and a lot of breaks in Georgia and Georgia Tech to competitive status over time, but it's getting close. I mean, when you look at the series on the go all due Carolina basketball rivalry when you look at the last 10 matchup gold piece.

I don't know if they have the same number of points scored a go deeper into that but it is crazy to me that Matt Brown has won 11 straight games in the series dating back to 1989 anytime is a trivia question regarding Duke football always go back to 89 priority one nothing when in Chapel Hill for Steve's parent company so it's been a really long time.

I think it's good to be a really cut it again tomorrow night certainly wouldn't shock me if you want it, but Carolina has figured out a way to win on the road jackets and the results be for themselves. You know on the road dealing with success a lot better than your doubt when this game is decided by single digit Carolina Guzman yet to single digits. 10 points and like that. I think Carolina when I'm not on the blown away by the road record. They wanted at because Chase Bryce couldn't complete a wide-open task they want and they give up what 100 touchdowns in the fourth 5:45 63 points of really not that big. I gave up 66123456 touchdowns in the fourth quarter and what I cannot ever see that Scotia lost a game of the two point conversion. Glad they wanted Carolina's good end up in the ACC championship game in Charlotte not as a result of that, but George's day dad Virginia tag.

I think Georgia state might be favored on a neutral field over to Virginia Tech so I'm not on the blow.

They figured out a way to win on the road.

I'm just I'm not on the blown away by by that.

I got one more one more thing. This is something you guys notebook never to talk about so I will and I'll start with you PJ because you told me about this. You sent me the soundbites so Harold Varner, the third is over and lived there playing the final regular-season event if you will, before their playoffs and in Saudi Arabia and it's his opinion that this whole thing is we all knew it was good happen, but I don't think they really did because if they really all knew it was good happen.

I gotta get the feeling that a lot of those guys would not have done this because if they would especially young guys like Abe answer or Joaquin Neiman who want to play in major championships. If you knew that though the official world golf rankings would not be recognizing that tour or you wouldn't have access to the PGA Tour. Do you think they would've done it, maybe not for Harold Varner but do you think they would've done the other guys. I will tell you maybe don't know enough about the other guys aspiration, but a lot about what Harold said study to closely thought out for Harold on the much you know where or not I realize I might not get quite mastered by Lisa got to play the master. That was the genesis of the comic outside becomes a whole live thing. If everyone handled their business in the aftermath of this decision. Like Harold Varner, particularly Phil Mickelson. I think we might be a little more up the road from a PR standpoint toward momentum being hey you want to include these live events will at least initiate that discussion from a PR groundswell fan of both perspective announcing the PGA would've gone down this road or endorsers in any way people handle business, particularly Mickelson and others PJ to talk to the media like Harold Varner. This whole thing would probably be a lot further up the road from a public relations standpoint academic groundswell to say should be shut if it don't go to 72 whole. They probably should be included in the local as soon as they present themselves like a real tour they will get and put Harold out there every time PR what Harold make him a favorable regard to what other players are fantastic and even fantastic yet.

I like I like Harold Rogers.

I appreciate the honesty of a but he made no bones about what Harold and what that what all of you guys could take a lesson, you will easily honesty Harold Varner.do you believe Phil Mickelson, Josh And that granting yeah I think just 2022. Follow the headlines because anybody believe Mickelson anymore and I don't just want to be there got say it but I will Harold Varner's the one that's acted like an adult. The supplier process like your clothes again time the phone I'm talking to right now and tool all I can do that and he deserves high marks for. He's handled this entire process. Plus he's a great guy to drink beers with gaming at ECU football game so anybody… As well as being a really good offer and not a standup guy is also really high up in my books.

Sounds to me like you drink your free game with Harold, but my wife living to say one thing on this bill about even Mickelson.

If none of you guys don't believe that this is the tour. Why do they even got you gotta believe if you're on with you. Gotta believe that if you generally say it but I'm a real problem with what Mickelson said he could just think well I feel he lied about being interviewed by a legit nuts but that's another story altogether.

I will say this, you will you mentioned DJ Dustin Johnson. I think DJs conducted himself exactly like he should have. He has said nothing about this other than his initial press conference. DJ has said nothing as public space to defend DJ will point out you have to know what his voice sounds like, we slept Scott Josh Graham is a lot of things going at Josh Graham radio boards of dryad badger Johnson at PJ on air 94 viewed what today get on the pattern. Johnson showed a huge yellow goat, 5 o'clock Adam goal while talking in the business when gentlemen again right in the middle of my pregame nap right there to start tonight gentlemen appreciate your time