Chip Patterson, CBS Sports, joins Adam today to talk college football; including their thoughts on Dave Doeren and whether he's making the best choices as NC State's football coach.

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I'm so glad you asked Adam.

So here's my personal theory right so last Sunday before they sit and watch all got out to a early lead against you, in which case you like oh no, because if you're at Auburn you want to lose that game to make it easier to fire him correct. Then they blow the lead and included in blowing the lead is an absolutely mind-boggling call for a halfback pass inside the 15 yard line when you're trying to knock on the door and be able to get a game-winning score be readily like everything in this if you want to warm up your let's fire the coach sold right. It happened on Sunday. Will you know what else is happening in the state of Alabama on Sunday, Talladega, I think it impossible to imagine that Auburn can be able to gather all of the powerbrokers they need to pass the hat around Drysdale clients are all at the track that all is Halliday got a kick due to Auburn business on the same day that Talladega's host in a race so that is why we did not see Brian Carson fired on Sunday. The popular theory actually is, that he coaches against Georgia. He coaches against Ole Miss and then they got the off week dry fire. Gosh Auburn Auburn cycles through head coaches faster than just about anybody hardship. The burning question I asked yesterday we had to put a poll question out. That got a lot of response right away. Who's going to win the coastal I gave three choices and then the field choice one North Carolina choice to Miami choice three Duke choice for field, how would you answer that pole I would answer North Carolina right now but let Duke win against North Carolina.

Failing two weeks and it becomes a much more serious candidate to be able to represent the coastal division. The final time prime time. I believe right is a primetime game. Aces you think and I looked, I our friend Adam row. I believe shared the like ticket options that can be a sellout by the time we get to kick off sellout now if you I don't want to speak. I don't listen much loved RJ some of our friends at Duke and I could be a sellout right now. As of yesterday afternoon or morning.

It looks like there are very few tickets that are left could be a sellout should be an amazing atmosphere and of course what would be the most hilarious and I always refer the funny right North Carolina to beat Miami and then loose to do and North Carolina's in Miami this weekend, and guess what Miami can't score my best reason why my answers North Carolina to go back to your initial poll question is that who can who can outscore Drake may do in the ACC coastal division where Brendan Armstrong looks like all of his insides of been hollowed out by Tony Elliott were Virginia Tech as we know, Natalie took a loss of the Tar Heels, but can't score Miami can't score Georgia Tech is a mess.

Pittsburgh can't score the simulated results of pit Virginia Tech are 15 to 4th this week. You will all hear I'm not washed pit Virginia Tech instead of the amazing offerings that college football will provide for you this weekend.

Nobody in the coastal division as an offense or quarterback that can compete with what they have in Chapel Hill right now my selection would be North Carolina. I appreciate the fact that you said well just wait and see what happens with the Duke UNC game next the 15th yes, Duke does have to get past a Georgia Tech team that looked at least defensively to be a little bit have a little bit of an identity against. By don't want to get into that too much, but it real quick sure is what I most confident thoughts of the week like that game is where it all broke last year. If we don't see the veterans on this Duke team, and was a real fire like no date though today this team is not going to take our cookies like they did last year. I I think there's some revenge okay to people who the players were on that roster last season should go in with a real fire to making sure that a Georgia Tech team that is just fired its coach is not going to make Duke look poor again this Duke played well enough to win and they just let that thing slip away doubt the beginning of the end. In my opinion I think Duke wins that game by seven points or more time with me. Let me just go back to Saturday and what happened at Clemson just to get your thoughts and I think you forecast this pretty well in that you might've been pretty close to the score line on this, but I don't know if it's that they can't or that they won't but NC State just didn't show enough offense and I think it's a bit more of won't that it is can't, although maybe it's won't because they can't to really let Devon Leary through enemies that I don't think is a good Deep Throat. Too many way over thrown balls on deep shots, but the intermediate throws.

He's pretty good at right and they got first and goal at the seven and then they went bag of tricks Dom Ron quarterback draw settle for field was the game to me was an indication that they weren't interested or been that interested they weren't willing to take the risk that you need to do to win a game at Clemson will hear from my man coach Pete the router with the capital financial advisory group. We are talking retirement. I coach simple. When we start tax planning and retirement should start as soon as possible because here's one thing out of taxes are not going away and so the game theory as we know the rules. A lot of people want to ignore the rules or act like they don't are familiar with them, but virus those rules and so we get retirement. The region start taking some of your money out of your accounts so the secret here is to put a force field around as much as possible. By strategically moving some Romani to Roth IRA were some of the other vehicles that are taxed like a special life insurance policies can borrow against your money there and never have to pay tax on your wanted to build up inside your Space up there a lot of strategies here. The one strategy that does not work is ignoring the less mature and not ignored the next 10 people will do for you your very own tax and retirement plan to help you minimize taxation with retirement 800-661-7383. All you got is call or you can text Adam 221000 for coach Pete the road lather is behind the line of scrimmage, throws to the running backs. If it's not fair. Thomas Van I don't know who it's going who's going to be there.

In terms of someone that they trust as a pass catcher for the Wolfpack right now. I think that a lot of it should be credited to a Clemson defensive front that I think plated as game of the season, they seem to have everything scouted.

They seem to have everything dialed in and look and it comes back to can't or won't do it in the way that you structure your offense because things are overly predictable and you will have counter punches, then it can be very tough to beat the teams that are elite, especially upfront defensively.

I thought NC State's defense played well enough real estate game the question and that's what makes it really disappointing because it was the missed opportunities offensively in the fact that even just throughout the game.

It did not seem as though if if there was or like a scale or leverage it: Clemson always had the upper hand when it was and she states offense against Clemson's defense and I physically. This is what you're encouraged by physically NC State did not look too small for the moment type and I think that in tangibly, mentally, emotionally, however you want to consider it. NC State competed like they were ready for the moment. They did not wither up. They did not look too small. I think that is a great sign moving forward with this NC state team. Now we get into the intangible side of this where it's like okay here we go.

You have huge games that are coming up are you going to with a Florida State team dealing with injury issues.

Are you going to take care of business, or you can have a little bit of a letdown with a trip to Syracuse on deck are you going to show up in that game ready to go. Or is that going to be a letdown spot. Wake Forest still ahead of the feature.

There massively challenging games for NC State.

It was never one game season for NC state right it was old to be the one game and then what comes next.

Very disappointing to lose what you did. The flaws were as feared.

But again I think that physically they did not look unrelated. They looked ready for the moment and I think in terms of competitiveness, they looked ready for the moment, they were just lacking the playmakers and explosiveness offensively, especially through the air to be able to beat the daily underlay who by the way is just having a tremendous season right now I want to talk about DJ you in the second and I kept going into this game talking about state and Clemson and making references to the previous weekend when Carolina played Notre Dame, which I know is not vintage Notre Dame nor is it vintage North Carolina or make actually, maybe it is vintage North Carolina and North Carolina as a team was not ready for a night. I hate to use the term but big boy football. They were not prepared to play a big boy football game and they just got steamrolled by a program that was and it looked different. It looked like different levels of football player on the field between Notre Dame and North Carolina so I was going into this game and I and I thought, I don't think we'll get to see that at Clemson I think were going to see a team that looks on the field like it belongs. They look the part, but I I am a little concerned and this is more about the coaching staff about the moment because there's a way to win or give yourself a better chance to win those games and it's not playing a more close to the vest. Conservative style because unless you have better athletes. You can't win that way especially on the road at a team I Clemson who appears to be pretty doggone good.

Not what they used to be, but pretty not that far version from it and I just thought that they didn't do enough to set themselves apart and I think that was by design that I I worry that we are projecting our own hopes and dreams and certifications where Dave Doran's challenge would be. Look at what we've accomplished.

We've accomplished this by being us message what you do and it's given us a chance to win. We thought we were good enough to win.

We beat these guys last year. However, he's going to build that argument is especially against you, given that his longevity at NC State. I I just think that it is it does not seem to fly along with everything that we've seen and honestly probably a lot of reasons that they have become so consistent that they don't stray from right.

What do and so pure. We, you and I sit here like man you couldn't, you can cook up any acute you could just like pull everything out of the binder like you could.

There wasn't anything in there that you any wrinkles or something that you wrote there to try to give yourself a chance but they couldn't do have their time is passed from the seven because they just don't against Texas Tech are recorded on tape. So again, going back to that game, wondering why are we decoding this is looked. I think you and I are on the same page about Dave Doran. Like I I don't want to be critical of the head coach here because I think he's done an amazing job creating NC State's program as it is, which I think is going to be very solid and steady for the next however long he wants to be here it's: that's a top 25 program right and that's what's that something that state has not had on a regular basis, but other coaches that they have had had little bit. They punch tire and that's my point.

And you have to be willing to take some risks and I understand that that's not what they do. What's it but then you're almost resigning yourself to well they're going to have to help us win and I don't think there was much to much difference in terms of the personnel with those two teams really don't imagine you could argue that suppositions state was better than Clemson plums was better than state. I don't think there was a vast difference between those two teams so if you don't have that. If it's pretty even then you're either hoping that the other team helps you or you've got a do a little bit and I just think state was secure, play our game and see what happens.

And it didn't work. It's it is disappointing. But I also think we need to give some creditor Clemson team that is turned a corner there that has undoubtedly in the last two weeks grown up, turned a corner and fully shed its skin of everything that went wrong last season, which will grant one more thing for who was the offense of coordinator for Clemson last year 20 oh have to go to Virginia this year are we going there shirt receives criticism for his offense being too complicated right and I I wonder if were sort of on the other end of the spectrum, there where it's just a look.

Virginia got awful offense of line the can't block right very difficult to build anything out when you cannot block but is offense. Indeed, daily underlay there clicking doing all right without Tony Elliott in town so every good is the Virginia do game me that's that that he comes back to that that was the Tony Elliott bowl. Remember Tony Elliott right yeah yeah communicating was just dancing in the box right now does look like a pretty tight outfit right now so that's good for them and I was I was always team cook with.

But it was apparent at the end that David was going to do it the way he wanted to do it and he was loathe to change and he needed to change and that's why Duke changed the way that should have ended really was that they should've had a retirement ceremony for David Sutcliffe and that's that's not what happen I will come back. I want to talk a little bit that would take this conversation a little nationally with Chip Patterson CBSSports.com cover three podcast moderator. We know the three I think Chip mentioned we thought. The fourth would be able talk about that other spot that last spot. Also water states goals the rest of the way next before we get to the national picture.

Clemson is the best team in the ACC is the second best team in the SEC, NC state interstate Wake Forest is the debate yes I think four states a little bit. I got too hot. I got a got caught up.

I was as I got a little risky's I think that I think very specifically the fact Wake Forest was able to move the ball on the ground against Florida State's defense ice that when speak tremendously to Wake Forest and also that Florida State still does not have a roster worth saying that it was the second esteem in the ACC so it is an NC state wake debate where I think wake has more data points against better teams but I think that NC State has the better defense without debate and that thankfully they get to settle that when on the field for who has the second thing about it I don't get matters how good your defenses at times. I do think of you have a good offense. I figure I waited the mood because there are so many possessions in a college football game. If you have a good offense. You probably can score 37 point I just I was the night avoided in college football clubs got a good defense. I understand they had done cornerback that coverage issues Wake Forest the deadly problem score okay how good your defenses. If the other team is a good offense because of the number of possessions there's going to be points on the board just as my default setting when it comes to college football because offense beats good defenses right on the bingo board great football keep days I height is six paragraphs for cliché that's all good offense beats good deed for the national championship yet look I'm looking forward to the game between the both back in the Demon deacons in this brief again one more thing before we get into the more of a national look. I curious what is the first job that's going to come open that they go that guy knows what he's doing, meaning Dave Clawson, I thought I was a Dave Clawson yet. They met in whose name doesn't get mentioned anymore look fickle and look fickle. Has every right to be at the top of the constant of a Nebraska teacher of like any one of these job openings and I just think that weather's like back channels are whether even just outright conversations look fickle. Is that good plywood and Nebraska either no tears. I got an arrest if we were ranking the coaches who have the on paper credentials and resume to be included in one of these candidates list look fickle should be on it and is not me more is because he has nine kids and he's perfectly happy in Cincinnati is going to the big 12 right when Ohio State opens up then we'll talk.) Ohio State opens up he's going to stay in Cincinnati which will be a power five team here shortly right and raises nine kids. I think that Dave Clawson has found the combination of two things institutional fit because everywhere that he's been a head coach has been a a small university in a smaller size program and then number two the support from the institution at the University president level and from the local community from the alumni. Wake Forest is not a huge alumni base, but they can mobilize a do with get a gun when they need to start building facilities may need to start raising money. They don't need a lot of hands to pass the hat around to be able to reach some of their fundraising goals and I think that the people who are important like Dave and Dave likes the people that are important. What why would you run from that.

When you can really build something, build something special and continue to keep working on improving every little aspect of it. Dave Clawson sounds to me very very happy with the institutional fit in the support that he has as long as he has that. Why would you chase that to go somewhere else that might not be as good a fit where it might even be a tough sell.

So a lot of the powerbrokers to hire this coach. Wake Forest itch. It should never be a tough sell to hire somebody who is clearly great at his job that I understand the personality side of all that the high-profile nature of it. Dave Clawson has proven to be great at his job, he would not be the first person that didn't leave one job for another job because hey they can triple my salary because that's what could happen. I don't know what Clawson makes is probably in the threes somewhere. There is no question that somebody could pay a nine minute they're paying Mel Tucker and was Bill Tucker make it a Michigan state change your shirt. There is just recognize that now there no talk of making 9 million a year at Michigan State is not gone well.

A mudslinging Mel Tucker for, but obviously they found money for for Mel Tucker all June 19, 2006, but it all started May 6, 1997 with the announcement that the Hartford whalers were coming to North Carolina transition of heartbreak of figuring it out on the fly became Porter look at the 25th anniversary of the move presented by the Company of North Carolina. Listen now find Michigan four Clemson 503.

We just plan this out. I don't know many losses.

Clubs got on their schedule between now and the end of the season.

I don't think they're completely invulnerable, but is that was that the way were looking at. Of those two teams until we get to Michigan Ohio State. I am my projected record for the Michigan Wolverines heading into the regular-season finale against Ohio State has not changed but my stock price in my power rating of the Michigan Wolverines has changed based on the Maryland result based on the high will result was because I think defense is not as awesome as I thought it was, as they were literally pulverizing the worst nonconference schedule in all of FBS and the offense with JJ McCarthy has been called I was not a surprise right Maryland little bit of a surprise so I begin, I think that this is still an undefeated or one loss team. At worst, heading into the game against Ohio State. But I as I power ranking or as I turned in my ballot for the CPS ports 130 1R college football rankings of all FBS Clemson's four Clemson's ahead. Michigan and Michigan is fending off a flawed but explosive USC team and then I think we start to take a step down into teams that have been good by its probably have a couple losses ahead in the future state wins out. Are they in one of those other accessible yeah without a doubt, they went out that's an Orange bowl team that is. It's therefore might just take that, what can we still do we get our first AP top 10 finish in program go to the Orange bowl like you've there is so much it is still there for NC State and slight II don't think Clemson's gonna fall off. I just you discussed how I've been impressed with the way they one. I think the last two wins were the toughest games that are left on the schedule because Miami and Notre Dame are nowhere close to what we thought they were coming into the season of the main Clemson can keep this thing roll, and I think there could be 13 or no and ACC champions. I think the score of the ACC championship game will look like when they play Virginia and it was 62 to 10 well, I going backed off exhibits North Carolina. I think North Carolina can figure out a way to score points on anybody, but I do think Clemson will stops right gave 52 to 35, yes. A Jimmy Phillips start the game early. Don't give us at 730 but we started at 747 North Carolina worker needs four hours it's gonna be a long night because were going to have the palatable class selection special. The next day about just I am with you on that. This is a personal belief of mind, but I just want you to either tell me I'm crazy or what. I think Wisconsin is one of the best jobs in the country and it looks like Jim Leonard who is the new defensive coordinator who is now going to be the acting head coach with the firing of Paul Crist. I think it's one of the best jobs in the country. For this reason because this is a program that for the most part few exceptions, but there are exceptions a that good but they have good records and everybody thinks they're great and they're not my crazy you are crazy because they listen when you are able to recruit the beer and cheese fed lineman that Paul right everyone else for the rest of the country that that is a great building block for your team that I know they been anybody what you mean, they think they cleanup on the weak side of the Big Ten.

The Big Ten West is terrible in the competition. There is Iowa and Minnesota were done. See, I think Bill and I showed you the ceiling because Ohio State cycled down in Wisconsin. One legit Big Ten titles, three of them in a row. I got that says what you can do, which is like you're not going to get ahead of Ohio State but let Ohio State and Michigan both slip up at Santa federated advantage of other people's failures or that means that Wisconsin is the fourth best job in the Big Ten and that's is a great place to be here with the most interesting thing about it was kind of to me why can't you stand I hate them I hate everything about them.

Sorry I just can't. Yes, like the St. Louis Cardinals out. I like was guide the Wisconsin predictability like Jim Leonard about Jim Leonard. So this is the thing that's interesting is so Chris McIntosh, former All-American at Wisconsin is the new athletic director and Jim Leonard we believe is getting his audition right here Paul Crist was a Barry Alvarez guy the old athletic director there some real daddies not in charge anymore neck to generate and taking over vibes going on which can backfire interesting to see how it goes. I'm rooting for Jim Leonard because he is somebody who's on the rise and my read on this in case you didn't go over this already this week is that there are wins ahead on the Wisconsin schedule and so Chris McIntosh would like for Jim Leonard to get those humans rather than for Paul Crist to get those wins and make it a little bit more difficult to make that decision because McIntosh the big-money people around Wisconsin there ready to turn the page and go to the new era. So here you go Jim Leonard got a chance to be have the fourth best job in the Big Ten you just got beat Northwestern. Good luck. Just I just don't see Wisconsin beating the teams that's my that's that's been my issue for a long time. I guess that there are some there are some outliers there because they have been in the past there have been years where they've been great. I just think for the most part they don't have to be because there's nobody I not have a game at the top, it fundamentally is like not everybody can always be beating good teams in the NFL. As I understand it on the ceiling in Wisconsin next to me. That's what is that market Texas A&M hasn't done that you like Texas A&M when other programs are cycled down not been able to cycle up. I agree with. When the big dogs of cycled down. They have been able to cycle up. I think that that is a that is an aspirational position for a college football program vultures. That's what you just called Wisconsin. They are vultures they are well equipped to eat. This is a VA I also get you fed it on to the next day I put your jacket on for batters and you get to be on the TV soon to be a sports HQ coming up in about 10 minutes to Patterson. I thank you very much metal talk you later some scheduling well unbelievable site and I need I needed that I yeah I willingly accepted being put my place but he denies knocking to convince me that I'm wrong but I appreciate all of that all right orange wedges. Your day is national been a cell door say thank you and please people, maybe give a random complement maybe let someone in traffic. Use your blinker might not get 1/2 and do not happen. People will like him showed behavior like you're not going to get a friendly like were not moving anywhere. Now you're not going to be so far ahead. All you're doing is mocking up progress here. I now maybe today maybe just for today. It's pretty outside at least two years. So I don't understand merging it like a zipper right there is such a thing. It's called zipping like you go I go you your leg my leg nearly that. That's it. Everybody's happy. We all understand the right. Maybe you're nice and someone throws up a hand and not certain finger instead get out of there you go to see you know keep that in mind in case a little angry something that's fun and nice you find something cool and interesting.

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