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America was built on the premise of free speech, but today's news is filled with examples of limiting people's expression. From prohibitions against misinformation, to book bans and state laws restricting how teachers can discuss such topics as racial injustice, sexual orientation, and gender identity. Correspondent David Pogue talks with writers and academics about free speech and a corresponding climate of self-censorship; and with a New Hampshire history teacher who says, "The ghost of Senator McCarthy is alive and well in some of our state house hallways." Performing as the group Tears for Fears, English pop rockers Roland Orzabal and Curt Smith had hits in the 1980s with such songs as "Shout" and "Everybody Wants to Rule the World." But after an acrimonious split in 1991, the two didn't speak to one another for nine years. They have since reunited, and are about to release Tears for Fears' first album in 17 years, "The Tipping Point." Correspondent Tracy Smith sits down with Orzabal and Smith – soon to embark on a U.S. tour – to find out how their musical collaboration helped heal a personal tragedy. Two years ago, Matthew Broderick and Sarah Jessica Parker were set to star in a New York revival of Neil Simon's "Plaza Suite" when COVID-19 shut down Broadway theaters (and practically everything else). Now, the show is finally set to open, and two years after interviewing the husband-and-wife duo, "Sunday Morning" anchor Jane Pauley sits down once again with Parker and Broderick to talk about the unprecedented hiatus. These stories and more on this week's "CBS Sunday Morning" with Jane Pauley.

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Freedom of speech is guaranteed by the First Amendment of the Constitution, but it's complicated once you don't agree with the viewer someone else's expressing libel and slander are legally protected but most speech, however unpopular is and as David Pogue documents in recent months. There are those, both on the right and the left who like to do away with the books, words and tweets they object to. We've always been proud of our freedom of speech you don't agree, please just observe. So these days.

Why are so many people trying to shut each other up Lisbon salami of laws all over the world that restrict free speech understanding of the First Amendment free speech is evolving, the proposed law that teachers should be loyal and really scary time to be a teacher coming up on Sunday morning.

The rising cost of free speech, real-life wife and husband, Sarah Jessica Parker and Matthew Broderick. I headed back to Broadway after up. One thing intermission to covet this morning. They give us a peek behind the curtain. March 2020 Sarah Jessica Parker and Matthew Vlad let go of her singing before the wedding of actors on Broadway ever experience coming after two year hiatus never happened. No, not even close. The show must go on. Tracy Smith catches up with the 80s rock band Tears for Fears together again after all these years Tears for Fears was a platinum plated machine until cofounders Roland or Zavala and Kurt Smith had a bitter breakup.

So how long did the two of you go without speaking one is free to four hours civil rights 24 seconds and now they really have something to talk about Tears for Fears later on Sunday morning. Morocco remembers they fairly forgettable presidency of Franklin Pierce Lee Cowan talks with comedian turned wildly successful media mogul Byron Allen plus opinion from Charles blow and more. It's a Sunday morning for 20 February 2022 and will be right back. Evelyn Boutros Hall best captured the principle behind free speech when she wrote, I disapprove of what you say but I will defend to the death your right to say it but do Americans really believe that. Here's David Pogue. When someone says something you disagree with. Should we shut them up in 1927 Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis had an answer.

The remedy to be applied. He wrote is more speech, not enforced silence gets nothing but more speech and get lately the news is full of stories about people trying to limit other people's expression proposed bill would regular classroom discussion on race fan most discussions of sexuality and gender identity in schools Tennessee school board under fire for removing a Holocaust model from its curriculum disqualified to once again over its most popular Parkchester Jewel Georgetown law administrator has not even started his job yet but is already facing calls to be five I would argue that culture of free speech is under attack US without a robust culture of free speech based on tolerance laws and constitutional protection will ultimately be rolled, Jacob Mershon, is the author of a new book that documents the history of free speech people both on the left and the right set of coming out free spirit from different angles with different grievances. The points were general loss of faith in the fourth amendment. The free-speech erosion is even happening in schools since January last year. Republican lawmakers have introduced more than 150 state laws that would restrict how teachers can discuss race, sexual orientation and gender identity in the classroom by making up false narratives to further a political goal of your own. Jennifer given teaches high school history in Hollis, New Hampshire really scary time to be a teacher or self-centering. We are absolutely avoiding certain things and ideas in an effort to stay within the lines as best we understand them in New Hampshire. The new law limits what teachers can say about racism and sexism in a conservative group is offering a $500 bounty to anyone who turns in a teacher who violates it then goes to McCarthy is alive and well in some of our statehouse hallways. What would happen to you if you did step afoul of this law can result in the loss of your license and so I would not only be unemployable at my school but I would be unemployable anywhere but what I don't understand is this is New Hampshire whose motto is live free or die. Yeah yeah emphasis on the or die part of late appears to me that is so real UC Berkeley professor John Powell is an expert on civil liberties and democracy. He's especially alarmed at the record number of books that are being banned in schools all over the country. Conservatives object to books about sex, gender issues and racial injustice and liberals object to books containing outdated racial depictions to make a Holocaust nice thing was a nice thing to make slavery a nice thing that makes people uncomfortable. It should make people goal of education is not comfort. So someone really was a challenge Holocaust challenge, but don't band of discussion on in the mid-1800s English philosopher John Stuart Mill propose that governments limit free speech only when it would cause harm to others: liberty and freedom. It was very concern of the government. Silence people that citizens have to have the right to express themselves.

Our laws have generally followed that guideline in the US public speech can't include 70 defamation threats, incitement to violence harms to this day I can't swear on broadcast TV or strip completely naked.

Sorry folks, but Powell says that the recent restrictions have more to do with culture wars than with preventing regular like to me that's wrong is problematic. So there's a difference between saying something that makes you uncomfortable and saying something that damages society or insights to riots and discomfort is not the same as an injury but these days there are entire new categories of speech that can lead to harm others. The concept of disinformation when you deliberately engage in violence in fact cause the cost to exclude some people what it really means is that our understanding of the First Amendment and understand the free-speech is evolving Festival. It's probably no coincidence that the new censorship culture arose simultaneously with social networks like Facebook and Twitter. The first amendment was conceived as a protection of citizens from restriction of expression by the government and not by private companies or other entities. Julie New York is the director for international freedom of expression at the electronic frontier foundation and she's written a book of her own. So for example Donald Trump getting kicked off of twitter and Facebook is that censorship is that bad. Censorship is a good censorship getting kicked out of Facebook and Twitter is kind of complicated really concerns me the most is that someone like Mark Sutter Berg. None of the selected has the power to remove an elected official. I think that should really worry us even if we do feel the truck should be silent. York says that the big tech companies censor our speech every day, sometimes by mistake, but always without supervision or transparency. We saw protest content around black lives matter removed on Facebook platform wrongfully LGBT Q content is been removed as well as things like arts and satire. According to Mershon, social networks censor us in another way to by making us afraid to speak at all, was actually the survey from 2020 by the Cato Institute, which showed that 62% of Americans still censor were afraid to express their political views on a specific topic that I think that shows this paradox. Americans enjoy the strongest legal constitutional protection of free speech probably will history, but they still fear of the consequences of being fired for speaking out uncertain political. That's not a healthy sign but it's not just America since 2019. At least 37 countries have passed laws that increase censorship of individuals or the media, including in Europe were jillion York lives. There's a lot of debate right now in Germany, for example, fairly recent law that restricts hate speech online but also creates penalties for things like the country since the loss of insulting someone online could be penalized financially. Overall, it would be easy to get depressed by these attacks on free speech, especially if your teacher like Jennifer given what's the endpoint for you. If this keeps going this way, New Hampshire.

I don't know the point we start going that many cheers you up any Jacob Mershon, points out that we still enjoy more freedom of speech than most countries were having this discussion in Russia or Turkey know someone would pick me up when I go down on the street and that you might not hear from me for a long time.

He says that we should fight to maintain our freedom of civil discussion and never take it for granted. I'm not saying that free speech is just great and that doesn't have any entail any consequences if it does we should think about how do we mitigate misinformation.

How can we ensure that we encounter hate speech without compromising free-speech. I know it's an experiment, but I would like you that it's been a very beneficial experiment and one which is very much worth continuing music of tears tears the airwaves in the late 80s. Then came the inevitable makeup.

Now they're back and speaking without Tracy Smith for the record.

Okay, go ahead and sing along. 1985. Everybody wants to rule the world was a top 10 for the British pop group Tears for Fears. It was only the first of many and on the radio there. Music was inescapable and now 40 years and 30 million albums later.

It's practically unforgettable these days lead singer Kurtz myth has air role and ores of all the groups cofounder actually has a lot more both their 60 years old and their signature sound flawless as ever. Then met Kurt home in Los Angeles during a rare break in rehearsal. So how are you think about on very good very good excellent never felt. Is that true they can laugh together. Now, but the fact that there even speaking is kind of a miracle in 1981 ores about Lynn Smith were just to talented kids from England who shared a love for music. Mild obsession with pop psychology driving force was theory by telephone.

Psychologist pulled off the Journal became famous well known because of his primal scream theory and so we both into this big time because we could like really blame our parents, and you could almost hear the banks in their music there first down 1983 the herd dark brooding and insanely popular there next albums songs from the big chair was even well bigger and on their first US 1985 boys were involved at every stop crazy because you couldn't really go anywhere because of the fans who can really leave the hotel hotel room was a fans like me for me the idea that someone could scream at you when like be crying when they don't actually know you was, Julie was fun.hard to deal with. You kinda want to go know what you think I am, but they were rock stars and with success came conflict in the years that followed Smith and ores of all's relationship fell apart and in 1991. Smith left the group.

What was a very bitter breakup. You eventually made a split something we're both feeling. I just made the decision that you know I wanted to go and I want to move to New York and the walls you in retrospect it is that trying to find yourself. I didn't want to be that guy from both Making music and kept their distance from each other. So how long did the two of you go without speaking on his forever civil rights 24 seconds ice finally broke in 2000 when they started eating again and then playing together like this, 2017 gig in Rio. They say find their roof until they started writing together. Their new album tipping point is there first in 17 years. So is it fair to say that this album is getting back to just the two of you feels that way we set them literally here right right here, right here. Yes, with two acoustic guitars and started writing. We had written together with just acoustic guitars sitting just the two of us since we were probably 18 or 19. Is that right since you were teenagers like it felt so necessary and essential.

And now they're making music that feels just as personal as it did in the old days. The title track tipping point was inspired by Roman ores about his late wife Caroline, who died in 2017. After a long battle with alcoholism. We do we drink this wine drinkers likening limits, acceptance being okay drink all for one, that's just me now, and was watching me and she was a small woman so the problem was largely due to alcohol ores of all road of his wife is a ghost of her former self and the album was often doing it with an old friend made their role in for you. Did it change the way you looked at your relationship with Kurt. Try not to tear up. We went from boxing heads to actually enjoying each other's company and most importantly, understanding each other's strengths there stronger than ever now. Tears for Fears will be out on tour again soon sounding pretty much the way you remember them, do you two need each other to this Spaces, my life is like. It will help you get the take out with preacher Gary this week Stephen Law ally of Mitch McConnell in one of Washington's biggest midterm monument list for me to set races you think Republicans have the best chance of taking a democratic seed with Nevada not Georgia. Georgia is right up there, but New Hampshire's products to New Hampshire people really just kind of don't like that you have for more from this week's conversation, follow the take out with Maj. Garrett on Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts all standing ovation for me. I love it when people need you may know Byron Allen as the star of televisions real people and comics unleashed the Byron Allen wears another hat. He's an entertainment tycoon and he could soon become an NFL team owner Lee Cowan has his Sunday profile.

It was a great cloudy day we visited the weather to inside networks, new loan. Byron Allen is right feeling as bright as the sun outside a bit less play this game is nothing more than business is a contact sport. Allen seemingly came out of nowhere.

Back in 2018, with an all cash offer for the weather Channel, which has provided content authored CBS News, among others. He paid $310 million, making him the first black American to own a 24 hour mainstream Cable News Network, then I will announce this past week. That is also putting in a bid to buy the Denver Broncos which goes through.

Also make history making them the NFL's first black owner like a great white shark swimming great black shirt. I don't sleep is always on the hot when is enough enough things were the biggest company in the world and there is no close second. That's it.

That's the goal. The Broncos purchase would top off a media portfolio that includes 36 TV stations 12 cable networks six streaming platforms and several distribution companies all under the banner of the Allen media group there kids out there look like me that when they see that it's going to change their perspective of themselves. He started changing perspectives in front of the camera first make you feel what would you Byron out in 1979 he became the youngest standup comic ever get one of those coveted slots like like half black half Jewish Abdullah Steinberg team buys Afro sheen wholesale still attending USC to be one of the hosts of NBC's real people that brought back a lot of wonderful memories. Byron what memories you just got a high school say they will all Byron Allen wanted to learn business of show business you can do an old and have all the shows you want.

He's been around Hollywood a long time but is not of Hollywood's roots planted a long way with that hydrant right there. That was my swimming pool Byron Allen folks grew up in Detroit.

This is our first house wasn't poor but Richie I can member. He was playing executive when he was like five and six years old. He had an office in this office was in the basement. That's his mom. Carolyn folks the right side of the desk. I just talked to imaginary executives where that came from. As a kid. He had an exhaustive reservoir of ideas to make money like collecting wayward shopping carts and returning them for cash was the roles were called dominated that his mom remembers another heavy forgotten about the warm farm. Oh boy, I had a few businesses go way and it felt being the mother of a worm's first shot at phoning you came at the grandparents in 1955 backswing business didn't interest my grandfather. He couldn't get along literally. He built this place, brick by brick is exactly what I had to do with my business. I had to build it myself brick by brick. Even today, you know, African-Americans do not have access to capital. It's not predatory so you can be in business even as a boy. Almost every black family.

He knew he said worked for someone else with Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. famously called the other America. All neglect that injustice got wound pretty tightly in Allen's DNA King was assassinated just a year after making that speech is mom says even at seven.

Allen took it pretty hot. How is it mom to explain to us, there are no words to explain is you're trying to wrap your brain around it yourself. The idea of equal financial footing for everyone grew more and more obvious for both of them builder. They both got even after watching prominent black Americans make it all the way to the top when Berry Gordy sold motel and I understand why he sold I was in the back of the room. I started crying. I started crying because I felt like we as African-Americans we have to own something we don't own anything.

Why not join forces to own their own entertainment show soup to nuts even syndicated themselves. No more middlemen literally seven I got a table that I called all 1300 television stations every single one every single one of them probably 50 times each and literally. After about 40 or $50,000. I was able to squeeze out 150 yes there was no other way to go. At that point in our lives. It's about taking risk and just moving forward and saying that something will work and we didn't say that it wouldn't work. Bit by bit. He ended up nearly every market in the country's might be in delicate question but how much is it worth the company is stuffing with billions. It's definitely worth billions, so and so I want to sell it because he sees it only to increase black targeted programming, but to demand a seat at the table for microphone programming to do we do we not have economic inclusion in the answers no, we have to correct the greatest trade deficit in America which is the trade deficit between white corporate America and black America when media giants like Comcast, AT&T and Charter Communications refused to take his channels well he filed multibillion dollar lawsuit against alleging racial discrimination in the end all the suits were settled and several of Allen's channels were indeed added to their lineups use the Civil Rights Act of 1866, section 1981 and was put on the books to protect the newly freed slaves to make sure that we as African-Americans we have economic inclusion. There are some people who say that that sort of bully that's a bit of a bullying tactic to get your product out there which are recited it's real simple. If it's okay that we don't have economic inclusion, then you are the problem.

You call me the bully I called you the races perpetuating economic genocide to the age of 60 with his wife Jennifer Lucas and their three children by his side.

Byron Allen finally got a star on the Hollywood walk of fame. It's fitting in a way spend years trying to break down barriers to quality that were in fact just as hard as concrete and now there is in concrete right next to another type and is here Johnny Carson. This is one America, this is everybody must succeed, black, white, Asian, Hispanic, everybody must succeed without exception, no exception, Jessica Parker and Brodrick were all set to open on Broadway when Kovic came to town happily curtain going up on better times Groundhog Day. Much of the pandemic is felt that way like our visit with actors Sarah Jessica Parker and Matthew Broderick two years ago at this very spot work to gather before but never as husband and wife never never worked like this, certainly not like this when factors on Broadway ever experienced having a show closing on the sale or until years later coming back never happened. No close think back in March 2027 1919 Plaza Suite just arrived on Broadway after a sold-out run in Boston. The people that saw Plaza in Boston. I wish we had the flu. We had a very bad flu still questioning enjoying the favor was that the floor was a Kovic and just as they were about to begin the first performance in the Hudson theater, Broadway went dark. We were on this side. When they told us the governor said we had 20 or out in this area somewhere thinking they'd be back in a couple of weeks not two years, but in that time honored tradition, the show must go on.

Why is that so is a priority for both of us I mean sincerely as dates for shifting this play stood kind of in the center of everything and try to guess patterns of pandemic are impossible in the early days of the pandemic. The couple did what many people at home were doing well at first I was very like will make the move. Most of it make some beans and then somebody call me of being some incredibly derogatory word about people were making being no more beans and they both been busy reprising her role as the iconic Carrie Bradshaw and he is starring in an upcoming series about the opioid crisis but before all the movies and television shows. There was Broadway Matthew Broderick has been a Broadway star since his first Tony at 21 as Neil Simon's alter ego in Brighton Beach memoirs, and at 13 she was Broadway's beloved little optimist. Annie, I'd like to do optimist they live longer because apparently I'm not one America one is going outlive me.

They do live the wrong place. This year's rages Neil Simon's Plaza suite is a comedy about changing marital morays in the 60s and cursed me 1968 wasn't a great year but feel good. Back in time and revisit 1968 in a way that feels different than what is been two years out for better or worse women's roles in men's roles sexual politics, economy class culture really is. It's time going on what's going on only when you Parker and Brodrick laying three couples in three acts this was her first visit to the theater in two years. This is what Karen and her extra weight. They found dressing rooms for makeup, candy, costumes, eerily just as they were funny to find everything stayed the same.

When everything is so different it was supposed to be way way he moved past Plaza suite prospect learning. I thought they would come right back. They did not name the name I just was on stage with the Lotta people and inaccurate data lot of lines coming up and he grabbed another actor I was standing right near them and said what's the name of the talk about like television.

Thank you yeah yeah yeah I forget names in this play all the time.

To some, as I just say you name it pops in my head and nobody minds with them.

I have to fly that he says rather than the names Nero pretty using in five days. The theater doors will open again confident that this time around yeah gate and the show goes on. Brodrick got people going to come and see anything is and I'm in. That's 3040 people write 30 or 40 and then your devoted sex and the city generation will say nice talking such an amazing experience in Boston. I just hope we can somehow find our way back because this is a very wonderful play tomorrow is Presidents' Day a day when we honor our nation's greatest leaders in a public opportunity for baraka to tell us about the man considered one of the worst came to Johnson, people come in thinking Jackson old lots of times absolutely Warren Harding's chip. Wow. No survey of our presidents lips take us would be complete without our 14th president Franklin Pierce, the only president from New Hampshire that I think people don't really like Joan Woodhead is president of the Pierce brigade had a sure that the line to Franklin. And you can see that Pierce founded in 1966 to rescue Concord, New Hampshire's Pierce Mance from destruction and to salvage the reputation of the man who once lived here.

He was no is a really good looking president.

Is that right away Harry Truman fighting with the most impressive White House up until his time wisely. Truman the arbiter of good looking president's well I know that the only comment me from another president to serve, anxious, University of Virginia's Michael Holt Franklin Pierce had a great personality. He was probably the most noble president we've ever even historian zero pasta remark about how pleasant and friendly was at Bowdoin College. He began a lifelong friendship with the future great American novelist Nathaniel Hawthorne Hawthorne would write Pierce's campaign biography is probably not as interesting as his novel the Scarlet letter letter. Thank God for that injured after falling off his horse during the Mexican-American war. Pierce, a Democrat served in both houses of Congress, a compromise candidate.

He won his party's nomination for the presidency on the 49th ballot St. Paul, 44, shall Pierce you and 52 is a great slogan. Pierce was elected in a landslide. What good things to do in office, while Prof. Holt composes himself. Let's return to the Pierce Mance where we learn about Pierce's reforms to the Postal Service stamps were perforated under Pierce right that it was people to separate the stance yeah he's a postage stamp by Gary Sparks is a volunteer guide at the Mance. We also helped ensure that American farmers could lease up supply of mono 101. The guano islands act of 1856, signed into law by Pierce scooped up the rights to unclaimed islands rich with 10 a.k.a. bird poop fertilizer priced at the time by American farmers. FYI midway site of a pivotal battle in World War II is one of those islands. This result in the mass importation of guano. It resulted in a good steady flow of guano.

So why then does Pierce have such a crappy reputation because he played a major role in bringing on the Civil War there in 1854 Pierce signed into law the Kansas Nebraska act allowing voters in the Kansas and Nebraska territories to decide whether to allow slavery within their borders, negating the earlier Missouri compromise which had prohibited slavery in those areas, and a terrible mistake in endorsing the Kansas Nebraska act and then jumping in with both feet on the pro-southern side in Kansas violence broke out between pro-and anti-slavery forces in a kind of preview of the Civil War and the outraging northern states was so intense it led to the creation of the Republican Party. He thought making concessions to Southerners was what was necessary to preserve the not even Pierce's hometown could forgive him for the Kansas Nebraska act burned in effigy Concord because of his pro-southern actions.

Pierce's political woes could only be matched by his personal ones. All three of his and his wife Jean's children died young, 11-year-old Fanny, the last surviving one killed in a train accident traveling with his parents just two months before Pierce's inauguration, the grief was almost more than First Lady Jean Pierce could bear. So to win in the morning drinking White House and black really didn't come out in public almost the end of 18 $54 to four years under the administration after a single term in office, Pierce sought were nomination but was rejected by his party. He returned to New Hampshire in 1857 to a home that later burned down only the front steps of this house remain after Abraham Lincoln was assassinated in 1865. Every house on this stretch, except Pierce's displayed an American flag in commemoration of the great emancipator angry mob assembles asking why Pierce wasn't paying respect, he mollified the crowd by explaining that he too was sad, but that his long years of service spoke louder than the display of the flag. Franklin Pierce died in 1869 at age 64 does Franklin Pierce deserve his ranking as one of our worst presidents, transit dodges, I don't think Pierce comes down as one of our best presidents in any way, but he wasn't a terrible awful person this morning's opinion is from New York Times columnist and black news channel host Charles blow the lives of 14-year-old to ignited the civil rights movement and nearly 60 years later, the killing of 17-year-old 31 Martin ignited the black lives matter was the killing of Matilda Rosa Parks is a she was think about what she refused to give up her seat on the bus was actually 1 More Way for them after the 10 years ago this month, Martin was killed by George Zimmerman in the fifth floor apartment complex at the top of the column in the near times entitled the curious case of Martin Martin's mother Sabrina Fulton by phone for that column. She was still in shock and disbelief. A few days later on Wednesday I did was organize the mark in your city body president Barack Obama famously said I had a son he looked likely long. The next day, a beautiful in person in Miami for another call. That's when I first noticed in Fulton.

What I would come to see all the so-called mothers of the movement. The rapid emotional about the relations between crying and laughing these women being reluctantly formed into leaders when all they really wanted to do was go home and grieve near Rice's mother told me when I first reviewed her.

I'm tired and I'm overwhelmed and I just want to go to bed or send the bosses mother told me when I first met her.

All I want to do is just shut my door and cover-up, and never open. These were the women with tears on her cheeks but still in their spine, insisting that the wall red is the magnitude of what had been done when George Zimmerman was found not guilty of murdering the hashtag and the lot was all because of his mother with fortitude and determination made it possible, as Intel's case. Martin's killer was not convicted, the victory was not the moment but in the offing. Something about both cases struck like a bill in America not survive his encounter but his legacy is rallying and whispers the killing of trave on Martin clean this new era of civil rights into before and after the death of the boy wearing a hoodie and killing the candy changed the world. Thank you for listening.

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