Impeachment 2: Day 2

Today on secular impeachment date to Democrats attack on all of us on all conservatives live from Washington DC Jay Sekulow phone lines are questions right now called 1-800-684-3110 1-800-684-3110 and your host secular speaking to my broadcast live right now the Senate hearing is not started yet about to sedately start around noon Eastern time and that's it so it takes a few minutes extra to actually get started. They will do the prayer now and then they will go into what will be only the Democrat house managers for today and tomorrow they have up to eight hours today and eight hours tomorrow if they want to use all the time they've indicated they might not so have the presence attorneys for the impeachment that means we could be on track right now for a vote Saturday or Sunday on acquittal and I said acquittal, because we had the key vote yesterday we go to Stan Bennett. Then yesterday was with the constitutional issue we knew we weren't going to carry the day. The votes were there to carry the date in the trolley were clear that the big question was with there being a major shift from the initial 45 Republicans who voted that was unconstitutional.

Only one shifted only one shifted so instead of five. Now, six joint Democrats saying it's constitutional to proceed. So it's proceeding today but tell people about who voted for the Republicans who voted yes again and who is that new Republican yet generally thought to be within one or two. Either way we thought there would be very be very unlikely for a significant move to happen in, and that is exactly what happened. The vote when the Paul amendment are Paul motion was granted a few weeks ago was 55 to 45. The vote yesterday was 56 to 44 a Sen. Bill Cassidy from Louisiana joined the original five which again just as a reminder for folks were Sen. Romney Sen. Collins Sen. Murkowski Sen. Toomey and Sen. sass. They all voted with Democrats saying that the Senate does have jurisdiction of the Constitution to proceed with the trial.

All of the remaining 44 Republicans agreed with our position, Jordan, that the Senate does not have jurisdiction regardless of how you feel about the merits of the case and we just boil it down to this were now passed that threshold questions of the trial is going to proceed but Jordan, I really do think that 56 number. I really think that's a ceiling now because now that in the midst of the trial you have said the Senate does not have jurisdiction and nothing there's any way that you can vote to convict the Democrats needed 17 Republicans to come along with them Jordan.

To me it looks like the max that they have would be 611 short of conviction. I think acquittal is now virtually an ironclad certainty setting there you go. I mean so whatever you want to say about legal arguments yesterday and who did better than who did this and who did what in the day only one vote shifted. It's still a very uphill battle.

I and you will go to you and he is still an extremely uphill battle for the house managers to actually get a conviction. Here it's moving towards acquittal probably Saturday or Sunday what we know today is the tarnishing of Pres. Trump and his supporters is coming and it's coming strong. Suppose a new video is going to be shown that people never seen before.

So it's all good be about this evidence, I was can ask you right now in a regular court of law. Could you splice video like this with comments that were from made three months ago. Absolutely God's word through court of law and you are driving a criminal case which this is that the court is the Senate sitting as a court of impeachment. It is the Senate really conducting a criminal trial with the Senators being the jurors you could not cut and splice and make montages of video that would not be admissible in court. You play the whole thing, assuming it's admissible assuming it's been authenticated and you've got authenticated something before you can admitted in other words, it's got to be shown to be a true and accurate representation of what went on but then you can show parts of it. You've got to show all of it. You've got to show the entirety of you can cut-and-paste like you want to show the parts of it that are favorable to you and leave the other parts out permissible really take your phone calls 164 3110 watching for today is use you want to cut up footage with cut up soundbites and presence. Of course he never played the house managers and sing peacefully protest and the worst fight. Look at all their fundraising emails and find the word fight every single one 164 3110 challenges facing Americans are substantial time and or value freedom sword constitutional rights are under attack more important than ever to stand with the American Center for Law and Justice for decades now ACLJ is on the front lines protecting your freedoms defending your rights in courts in Congress to get in the public arena and we have an exceptional track record of success. But here's the bottom line we could not do or work without your support, we remain committed to protecting your religious and constitutional freedoms than remains our top priority, especially now during these challenging times. The American Center for Law and Justice is on your side, you're already a member. Thank you for your thoughts.

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You he said. Like if were going to it if saying were getting neophyte to retake our country is now incitement. It is now it is sedition or it is again is something that you could impeach someone over, then every single political candidate in history. I mean, just take a listen, here's the bite because this is the honest truth of your being an honest politician on both sides of the aisle. I get a lot of fundraising emails I get a lot of their emails. I see a lot of words like fight ICL outward like retake ILC words that were under attack okay and and yet no one thinks that's speech that is unprotected. It's illegal speech in the United States is not protected by enforcement take Alyssa Ted Cruz by 29 of the Democrats right now what they're trying to say is, is that that Pres. Trump's rhetoric what caused the terrorist attack on the capital and then listen the Presidents language at times I think is overheated but if you look at the language he used. Saying things like fight saying things like go retake our country. If that is now incitement that we better prepare a long line to indict every candidate for office whose ever Ron anyone is ever given a stump speech has said let's go fight let's go where let's go retake our country. This is why this is the heart of now the argument we were past the constitutional stage got a very good floor for the President to be again acquitted and vindicated again does not like you'll be in peace because 44 cylinders still believe after all the arguments yesterday.

They should even be there, so it doesn't even matter what's being said right now the Senate floor by either side over these next four days. They have no jurisdiction at all, so if that holds the Democrats which I think they never had a shot at this but certainly the way they rush this through. But what Ted Cruz said, I think, is exactly point on is that Charlie was ACLJ any Democrat, any Democrat fundraising email that you get or stump speeches.

He said, and this is protected put this what the founding fathers were exactly thinking about was that you could get up on your soapbox and say we gotta fight to take back our country to fight to protect this right or we had to fight to protect the unborn, or we are to fight for the right to to keep a woman's access to abortion are that abortion is murder all this back-and-forth saying both sides of the issue.

That's all protected speech. 80 that's exactly right Jordan and all is all protected speech. When you find all the time we fight for this we find for that we want someone to go out there and demonstrate we want them to peacefully demonstrate what Dr. King do but find it thought the discrimination of not being allowed to eat at a lunch counter in Alabama. The civil rights as a whole movement of the 60s was a fine a battle all war it was conflict. And if you can use those words that you're in bad shape in this country because we use those words all the time is right now if we can out of reach of the screen that Democrat house managers are putting up that on December 12 the President tweeted we have just begun to fight.

As if that is somehow illegal speech. Annie, we have just begun to fight and that was when the legal challenges were really just starting and and again that there was a major Supreme Court case where four states were issued May all the way to this report. United States, we've just begun to fight. I mean this is this is not that was in December and negative. Try to blame that for January 6. To me, and he alone just showing that tweet shows how weak their cased wife why the present has been arrested for insurrection or sedition that private guard what about what I during the Revolutionary war will I think it was John Paul Jones and his boat was attacked and what he said is I have not yet begun to fight.

Oh my God it needs to be and for making wardens, taking statements that are inciting to insurrection and ride.

Of course we find in this country.

We fight all the time. A child who is being aborted in an operation room is trying to fight for life is trying to maintain that life and the life of someone trying to snuff out their life. We do that all the time. That does not amount to impeachable offenses and it certainly doesn't amount to the right of the Senate to convict for crimes are crimes and misdemeanors so these literally just use we've not yet begun to fight. That was the whole tweet from Pres. Trump is a reason why should be impeached. Okay now we arty think that it's ridiculous he should be impeached is not a private citizen now but putting that aside, let's get to their other arguments. Take a listen to this is Democrats just a snippet of Democrats using fight in their own language was Congress to about this site. Keep fighting to keep fighting and fighting and fighting for this please should dream big fight hard and take back our country. This is a fight of our lives, stand up and fight for the best of who we are prepared to fight and not fight them ready for the increasing numbers of people ready for that fight. Stand and fight for democracy country we can just imagine a better future for future were fighting against it when we fight in Congress they just did what we play that they just showed another part of his speech then work where you just said we have to fight you. We have to be ready to fight for to keep our country meet a lot of people.

If you thought you just lost the election that was controversial. That's the language of use. I think probably Kevin McCarthy is probably using that fundraising emails hey we have to fight to tell it to fight back against the Biden administration and and these are just terms you use the fact that the Democrat house manager Stan are trying to use this term which is so benign in politics.

The word fight as the as the insurrection as that's that's the sedition that's the encouragement of those to go out and commit the overthrow of an attempted overthrow of the United States government is absurd. Jordan it's a it's a baseline term. I mean, it really is the idea that that term is gonna be the foundation for impeachment is just not believable. Look, I mean I'll come right out and say we had this conversation on air before Jordan. I'm a guy who actually thinks the society needs a little bit more convincing speech needs to the sort of stand on the merits a little bit more and convince the other side of an argument and that maybe we do have too much divisive speech insider society to Jordan. It's not one-sided, and by the way if our First Amendment. If our if our guarantee to free speech is gonna mean anything. It's not that convincing speech that I like the need to be protected is the divisive speech is the unpopular speech and and so you know I for one thing, it has to be protected for the other thing it's it happens on both sides of the aisle. And if you're going to start impeaching for this there can be an awful long line of people who are to be up for impeachment and by the way music and involved it's can involve all 100 senators sitting in that chamber stirrers right now. Yeah me that this the things I would take her calls 164, 31 to the 2064 3311 tertiary listening a little bit just to that. This is a Jamie Raskin. The lead house manager is making the opening now this is killing the opening of the argument. Now they've gotten past the constitutional state or thankless increase and sympathize and commiserate with the rampaging mob was to continue to act as insider and chief not commander-in-chief by telling the mob that their election had been stolen from them.

Even then, after that vicious attack to continue to spread the big lie is everyone here knows Joe Biden, one by more than 7 million votes and 360 232 in the electoral College. Donald Trump refused to accept his loss. Even after this attack and he celebrated the people who violently interfered with the peaceful transfer of power for the first time there. I don't I don't remember the President ever celebrating divide the people violently. In fact, when when he did speak out. He told people to stop and leave and when he spoke before he told him to peacefully protest at the capital so before the anything happened.

It was peaceful protests after it was stop and leave enough you don't stop and leave stop what you're doing and whether not he like the outcome of the election and whether not he thought the election and he was was was fair or not irrelevant irrelevant in this impeachment irrelevant in in in the yard, then spend the time writing their articles of impeachment and their single article to even make any of this relevant no. I mean, you know, in order for something to be relevant. It's got to have some bearing upon the issue in the case. The President's opinions with respect to the outcome of the election where the residence opinions under the First Amendment.

He had the right to express those opinions but I listen to the speech that he made. He always said peaceably protest demand warrants that we need to fight for democracy. So what's wrong with that. I was in court earlier this year for two days and all I did was find fight the other side fight the defense find evidence that was trying to get in and I was doing so peacefully within the confines of the courtroom in Glenn County, Georgia. What's wrong with that were supposed of five was opposed to express our views inside the insurrection and I don't see where that possibly exist in the evidence, that is, this is probably probably the house managers always it was probably yesterday never give you the full story on the those impeachments that happen. One was pre-Constitution host of former people and what actually happened at the end never gave the full story, but the present saying peacefully protest the never give you the full truth they have to splice and dice make their case because they don't have a solid case. This is just about punishing conservatives about tarnishing resident from all of present trump supporters many of you listing the broadcast right now. Go to ACL general center petition. Back only one. A society can agree that the most vulnerable and is there any hope for that culture to survive.

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The American Center for Law and Justice is on your side, you're already a member. Thank you, are not well this is the perfect time to stand with us. ACLJ.org where you can learn more about her life changing become a member today ACLJ because I do think this is a horrible moment for the country and is the reason why is because I it's on every network on major networks is not just on cable news for the most part it was covered most of it was covered yesterday on the networks. Some them went to finally like localism so that the canal where you are in the country so you know, one of the presence defense team are David show near he opened with this, which I think it is true that have this entire idea of what the Democrats are trying to do with this impeachment is not about removing present trump is no longer present. It's not even about present trump. He's the former President. I don't even know who is on trial because the Chief Justice is there is not the President us and I think they made that clear. Take Alyssa David Choate. This trial will tear this country apart. Perhaps like we've only seen once before in our history. The house managers in their wisdom have hired a moving company in a large law firm to create manufacture and splice for you a package designed by experts to chill and horrify you and our fellow Americans. So I mean I think they got right there. I want to go to Richard's cog Kansas. I think it's important I think with the Cassidy switch yesterday. Am sure this people little bit were nervous. I would take her phone calls 100-684-3110 a Richard welcome to secular how you doing good so my my take on this night.

I do not cross Senate not to impeach because the America first movement is against the political class, whether that's Democrats or Republicans.

The establishment and I just don't trust them to not impeach I listen I get your your fear that it's because present trump was was bigger than just the idea of being a Republican brought so many new people to the party but then I think to that point he brought so many new people to the party that most Republicans understand that even if they don't like it, or they see him as a potential competitor.

Some of the senators in 2024 because he might run for President again.

They understand that he he grew the party so much.

Even with losing the last election that that they are they are not get it there.

They are not set there scared of him is that they want to continue to grow the party to what you have to have both sides of the divide. If you're to win elections and purple states. I think they understand that, but to the point to the callers point Jordan. I mean I get and I think any good lawyer destroying any case or anybody that's advocating inside of them. Pete would not take it for granted. You argue every day as if the outcome is in question.

But here's where I come down on it. I I just don't know how a senator yesterday. Voting for the second time that the Senate does not have jurisdiction under the Constitution is then get a turnaround in a few days and vote to convict on something that they voted twice violates the Constitution to even carry an Outlook. I even think that Sen. Cassidy look and I can impugn his motives. I think he sat there.

I think he took in the arguments and I think maybe his mind was was switch, but Jordan he's gonna have an awful hard time telling his voters in Louisiana why he felt one way on the constitutional issue one day and the other went away a few days later, a senator that has now gone down to the floor to the well of the Senate and twice said no. The Senate restricts me from taking this power, that power is not in the Constitution.

It is not mine to have. How is that Sen. then get to go say I said twice. I don't have this power, but I'm going to assert it. Anyway, Jordan. That's why I think that in this case, you may not trust them, and that's completely fine. I don't see how you intellectually make that switch and I don't think they will not listen even sooner. Cassidy Annie, I don't see any indication that because of his vote by the way, I would only say that probably Mitt Romney and he and silly Pat Toomey are the only two that's a almost 100%. You could say that a vote to impeach the others that even believe they might have jurisdiction here which we said even our reef. If you believe the gray area going where that were passed that issue now. They're not hundred percent votes for impeachment either. The idea that the daily news 11 more Republicans.

I don't think that's right think they need to get 13 or 14 more Republicans to go for impeachment and how can you do that when they said they don't have jurisdiction over and it lets was reconnect with Annie. Sometimes you gotta do that with that with these connections were all doing across the country again. I mean you had both Sen. Mike Lee and whose Republican, and Sen. Murphy, a Democrat, they conceded that jurisdiction is an unsettled issue. Now it's been settled for this trial. Now what does that mean I will tell you this for all of you called before and said Mitch we stop impeach Pres. Obama.

Now we can do things that say the right thing to do, but we can express it within express it now to hold strip his Secret Service strip is $45 million worth of travel budget. He gets a year. Take away all the security make it a lot tougher on him enough to do a lot more Netflix deals the papers lifestyle.

Well anyways Jordan. That's why this was the most important voted trial because unfortunately that's the President that is now been set. Now there's going to be a full trial on a former President is now a private citizen and regardless of how you feel about the merits of that case. That precedent has now been set in Jordan, I couldn't couldn't agree with you more on where the parameters are for the votes because look, if you're one of the 56 senators who said the Senate has jurisdiction, you can still vote either way you can have jurisdiction and find to convict or find to acquit. If you're one of the 44 that has twice voted that they don't have jurisdiction you can only vote one way you can only vote to acquit because you don't think you have jurisdiction. That's a threshold that has to be crossed. So look there are 56 senators in that chamber that could still vote either way.

And that includes the six Republicans who voted for jurisdiction and I'll tell you Jordan, if I were forced to to take a guess. I don't think all six of those will vote to convict. Now I'd say baby half baby half innovative toilet say I'll do is get to the 60 7W2 66 of Lahey does invoked by the he did vote yesterday. So Masumi is going to be voting for Jamie Raskin try to play this way today like why does it matter that you voted that you don't have jurisdiction now, so even if you believe that you shouldn't be here. That doesn't matter anymore. If that's the case, then let's go impeach Barack Obama next time were in power strip his Secret Service and take away all of his travel budget.

About $44 billion a year. Take away all the security make and pay for it himself. Make them go out and I figured how to do that himself because I be fast and furious.

Let's litigate that the public again.

Let's bring forward the family that those who were killed by those guns about all those people targeted by the IRS.

I'll bring them forward as witnesses. The Senate chamber and we could just relitigate that, let's do it with Hillary Clinton to because we never really got to the bottom are servers and hate John Durham still a special counsel. I'm sure you got some people we can impeach through that to because they've opened the door and that's the argument Jamie Raskin just made by 40 now the factual inquiry of the trial is squarely posed for us the jurisdictional constitutional issue is gone. Whether you were persuaded by the Presidents constitutional analysis yesterday were not the Senate voted to reject it. And so the Senate is now properly exercising its jurisdiction in sitting as a court of impeachment conducting a trial on the facts and that's try to tell those 44 senators well you know it doesn't really matter that you voted against this at that. That's just bogus because if you truly believe in your heart of heart you don't have jurisdiction you can't move forward and say now I'm in a vote to impeach and do all this but the in the days he is right. They've opened the door to do this, the former officials now days open the door to former President United States but didn't have Bill Clinton in the major movement that's open up a look at what all velvet exactly right exactly right. This is opened up a Pandora's box. Lindsey Graham said not to get it right.

Is it something we would advocate to do.

I'm not sure. Maybe I do feel like impeaching Barack Obama that in a few years is the likeliest to go around Martha's Vineyard on our dime. With his travel money with security if a four. After all, the controversies he was involved in with Eric Holder protect think about for decades, ACLJ has been on the frontlines protecting your freedom is defending your rights in court in Congress and in the public arena. The American Center for Law and Justice is on your side. If you're already a member thinking. If you're not well this is the perfect time to stand with us, ACLJ.org, where you can learn more about our life-changing work, member today ACLJ live from Washington DC Jay Sekulow line and now Jordan's secular back second half hour of secular right is going quickly. I wanted hundred 684-3110 take your calls and I want to answer questions to because now we are in a factual stage were monitored closely were supposed to see all this new footage were being weird. We were told anyways. So far, that is not occurred so so far.

It's gone from Raskin to this another house manager would just making arguments so it did not launch again with some brand-new footage so that they oversell that is that how they're going to close today. I'm not sure but it was supposed to at least the media was reporting open with this just shocking footage that they have 16 hours to do this and I know that the networks are all covering. I go I go to and understand first time around impeachment. I think people were tied to it was present was in office. You had all these house here is yet always has to characters as you would say that Adam shifts of the world you had, you know, we were involved on the floor. She had these kind of famous attorneys if you will, Alan Dershowitz can start Jay Sekulow oh Patsy Pallone, White House counsel, all that and you strip all that away. This time, and the presence not the President anymore and the Chief Justice is there and it's it's it they might be trying to get people to watch it. Yes, it still coverts a lot of people around. But I think this is not with their tuning into choice will have the same political impact that they were trying to have on tarnishing the present, yet probably won't Jordan I mean I think they're looking for any and impact at all and I think the biggest factor there is that there is not a sitting President. I mean the last time around, look whatever you think about the case.

Had the Senate voted to commit convict it would've resulted in the sitting President having to vacate office.

That's not the case now. I mean, hypothetically, I don't think the Senate is going to convict here Jordan, but if they were if they did, what would the impact be the impact would be the Joe Biden would still be the President is giving the President either way. See you just don't have that factor in play. I think that's really plain into it and by the way.

Jordan just stick on it at maybe underline the point you made about they didn't open with the videos.

The other interesting thing to know that I think our listeners should pay attention to. There was an opportunity here for motions to be filed on any number of different matters. A motion to dismiss or other things but no motions were filed.

So that's yet another sign that the timeline of this trial is likely going to be compressed. I think if there had been motions we are looking at it pushing into at least Monday. Probably later and Jordan. You said at the outset of the of the broadcast that you thought it might be able to wrap by Saturday or Sunday. This is a another sign that a quick and a speedy conclusion is deftly possible.

Not a single motion filed today by the deadline and that's exactly what what deserves to epidemic should even be impeachment but Andy, the fact is, it shows the failure of Democrats in their if if they thought that they did need the President in office. Your assignments are producer will this morning Andy. It didn't matter fusion officer, not why did they have to do is snap impeachment.

Why didn't they call witnesses.

Why are they going to end up having impeachment trial that is done in less than a week that they lose because they were because they thought hey if the argument was, it doesn't matter if he's in office or not. They didn't need to rush this one poorly written article which is kind all over the place and doesn't actually kind of single out the specific charges for that. Jordan is absolutely true love, the Democrats are Russian impeachment through while the President was still in office. They conducted no hearing. It didn't go to the judiciary committee.

Nobody conducted any analysis, and whether or not high crimes and misdemeanors had been convicted had been committed by the President. Their only purpose was to tarnish the President and to blacken his reputation. This is an I've said it before and I'll say it again, this is nothing but a bill of attainder, and that's an important thing that our audience ought to look up. It is an attempt to violate the bloodlines of the of the incumbent President and to prevent him from holding office ever and ever again. It's not going to work right folks really do take your phone calls 164, 31 to accumulate and Lou wafer Eric Chinese five small well tell us why he is right.

My President should be impeached that this guy should be thrown out of office himself by his own party, but no elevating Hausman ridiculous.

How absurd, how partisan, how opposite of uniting us that way. This makes me angrier and angrier because of who they chose even represent the challenges facing Americans for substantial time with our Valley freedom sword constitutional rights are under attack more important than ever to stay with the American Center for Law and Justice for decades now ACLJ on the front lines projecting your freedoms defending your rights in court in Congress to get in the public arena and we have an exceptional track record of success. But here's the bottom line we could not do more work without your support, we remain committed to protecting your religious and constitutional freedoms event remains our top priority, especially now during these challenging times. The American Center for Law and Justice is on your side, you're already a member.

Thank you for your thoughts. Well, this is the perfect time to stand with us. ACLJ.org where you can learn more about her life changing become a member today ACLJ only one. A society can agree that the most vulnerable invoice. Is there any hope for that culture to survive. And that's exactly what you are saying when you stand with the American Center for Law and Justice, defendant the right to life, we've created a free and powerful publication offering a panoramic view of the ACLJ's battle for the unborn Gold edition like it will show you how you are personally publication includes a look at all major ACLJ were fighting for the rights of pro-life activist the ramifications of weighing 40 years later Planned Parenthood's role in the what Obama care means to discover the many ways your membership is empowering the right question for copy mission life today online ACLJ/sicko radio you again this is not a real impeachment. I want to make that right is not a real piece of bioassay that will because Chief Justice and theirs are real people present is a Senate trying to hold a trial of a private citizen.

That's why the Chief Justice isn't there can't remove anybody you one of my ideas were still young Part of the present legal team were having a lot of issues for the present disease under what I call off their set on showing his radio broadcast system. The President faced different things from all over the country. Things not being faced though with this. Any charges that he committed sedition or insurrection by the way, say that facing those legal challenges which is interesting because you know they keep saying wow there's a January exception is no January exception being present with no there's not. It's called legal system in America, but you know again this one of my ideas early on was time to show up amenities danger sometimes that you at least had Lou types and Jamie Raskin types and there's all types just talk, but but the truth is it doesn't even deserve written response. Maybe on the constitutional issue and only that, because again the idea that you can't use the word fight is a politician. They keep this up on on on the screen while talking to you right now fight fight fight fight that is a word you can know Lori's in politics and we got to to Harry Hudson.

Also you a lot for Law Prof. Harry the you can't use the word fight and political speech that we would all be in trouble including every member of Congress. Like Pedro said absolutely and so fight has been part of the vocabulary of politicians going back hundreds of years, and in fact if you look at recent history the recent history of the Democrats all over the last 12 months or so.

They have been encouraging people to do what to fight to fight in Portland Oregon to fight in Seattle to fight in Minnesota in St. Louis, you name it. Where ever riots have been found. Democrats had been urging people to continue to fight and so we cannot exclude the word light from our vocabulary, particularly when we deal with politicians and so the Democrats have engaged in a selective memory campaign. They're basically saying we can use the word fight as much as we want to. But when a Republican uses the word fight then that Republican faces legal jeopardy.

This is clearly and unmistakably a double standard and it's unsustainable. Wes, I can dictate if you like for our country. I may go to your site is not in the military is as a is a minister.

I also ended as a country facing covert still facing economic uncertainty is a covert school reopening questions in some parts the country life is not back to normal.

And yet, yet this is what were seeing on all major networks right now is a former President private citizen on trial with the house managers using their times. The house is taking their time in the Senate using today will go from noon to about 10 o'clock at night.

Focusing on this when most Americans would figure out where they can get the covert vaccine shots to get back to work. That is very disheartening and troubling to me, and I think most Americans because we already know, I mean short of something really really unexpected happening is just not going to happen is not going to be convicted and so what happened on January 6 was deplorable. It was horrible. It hurts us Stephen watching the video, but as we said on the show before you know that the the impeachment article as it's written is a pretty sloppy impeachment article, but the house managers point so far is not to to really is designed not to convict Tromp, but to arouse shock and indignation with what you're saying and what they're showing and I don't know about you but all of us are shocked and indignant over what happened on January 6 but what they are failing to prove is that Pres. Trump actually calls that were incited that even though this their stated charge. In the meantime, as you alluded to Jordan, Americans are struggling. We are tired of being pushed into her corners politically returned of political revenge. I think we would like to move own, especially knowing that a conviction is extremely unlikely. Why are we putting ourselves through this well. We are not putting ourselves through this. The Democrats in the House and Senate are forcing us to deal with this right Democrat, and there were not enough Democrats sinners to step up and say you know what when I can put people through the certification of the same video fight fight fight they don't say the peaceful protest part that it's it's Andy. I've two problems with with with the house managers in their presentation course the media won't merely they love the cell is wonderful is moving out. You know out of the question. Jamie Raskin know he would through personal tragedy had you question like using that though in a trial that you also would be able to do when building a trial and say all.

Also, this happened to my family. My son did this in Indians horrible that happened, but normal trust. This is politics and politicians are pretty gross. So to bring up your son committed suicide in this trial is kinda disgusting to me while Gordon, let me tell you it's one of the first rule of procedure in a courtroom. You never ever ever tried to liken the situation for which you are advocating or against which you are advocating to a personal situation of your own or to a personal situation of a general or that is not done. You never express your personal belief or you try to raise personal emotion by inverting the situations that you have gone through, or that adjournment.

It may have gone through. But as Wesley Smith so correctly said this is a political trial intended to besmirch the former President of the United States, and it's done. For this reason, the Democrats are scared to death of Donald from they want to eradicate them from the face of the earth. They think they're going to get the votes to convict. Guess why you're not.

They think they're going to get a majority vote to keep them from holding public office in the future or keeping Republicans making gains in 2022. They are not. That is not going to happen what Joe Biden the great unifier needs to do is to tell Pelosi and Schumer not get all and stop this and get on my agenda they keep showing the same video fight to stop the steel fights. These are things you can do in politics.

These are words you can use this is not an incitement to insurrection and and and again large crowds that is. And if there's bad actors within large crowds speakers not responsible for them and through course been clear about that but they had to go to the bigger point of this.

They believe that it didn't matter that he's in office should they have gotten the hearings on this should have gotten near the capital police to come and testify the house have hearings about why did the Sgt. of arms have to resign from the house in the Senate. Why did they prepare white in the why did they do a better job whose fault was it really that the security wasn't there. How long in advance. They know about the problem people. Why were there also black lives matter's activists were being charged with crimes right now were inside the capital to and they were all what yet was still time at this is only about mag and these probably groups now that unit was a mixture of basically all of a lot of different bad actor groups that they didn't want to have that because they knew that would come out.

Yeah I'm initiative in one of two things your name and whenever one if they were to pursue away a late impeachment if they're gonna wait until Pres. Trump was out of office to try it anyway. You're absolutely correct. They should have done all of the due diligence initiative that all the hearings that she did at all the depositions and later when they had this debate over witnesses. They should've had dozens and dozens of witnesses to choose from now when that debate comes up. Jordan there and have exactly 0 witnesses that were called in the house that they can choose from smoothing the gun have to make the case that they should call new witnesses, but Jordan if they weren't going to do that they should have done the exact opposite patient. Now they're saying that there's a January exception, Jordan, that is their own problem that Pres. Trump was still in office when they brought this up so if they were not going to do a thorough job if they were not going to going to interview everyone, then they should have moved quickly. There's nothing in the Constitution that says if the threshold is high enough if the bar is high enough and I'm not saying it is in this situation, but if it's high enough Jordan the house and the Senate could have moved in one day. They didn't do that. They didn't go in either direction. They didn't say it's so serious that we have to move immediately but then they also didn't do a thorough job even though they were going to go for late impeachment and I think, but the failure to do one of those two things Jordan I think it proves the case that this is political and anti-joint I Ashley think it's about 20 2010 I hate using the word like liars and hypocrites and fake and limitation of the house managers right of these pulled another lie. So they played Pres. Trump from a Georgia rally where he said now is not the time to give up now is the time to keep fighting that he wasn't talking about his election he was talking about the two Senate races.

There at the house managers didn't and explained that they were sexy. He was still tight, but keep fighting the day before in Georgia yet because of the Senate runoff elections. There were two races there. They can never tell you the truth. It's why they never convictions. It's why Donald Trump will be acquitted and vindicated his acquittal, not guilty to charges you brought work good wasted the country's time didn't have the evidence didn't prove your case, you will fail. Raskin, you will fail. House managers will fail. Democrats will be the President who ends up winning without ever having to say a thing that ever having to say nothing that out there giving speeches commenting because they aren't even telling you the truth about you is ridiculous certain they're lying to the Senate only one. A society can agree that the most vulnerable. Is there any hope for that culture to survive. And that's exactly what you are saying when you stand with the American Center for Law and Justice, defendant the right to life.

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This is a political trial. They have taken a page out of the Stalinist page purge our show trial of the 1930s.

You pick and choose what you want to say you don't show the whole video you show snippets of it.

This video would never be admissible in a court of law because it is not a complete transcript of the evidence, it is partial, it would never be admissible in any court in the land. And yet and yet they presume the sharp before the United States Senate and to predicate a conviction of a former President.

Remember, a former President upon a spliced up video montage with you without the key elements the predicate sayings like you did in Georgia. It was talk about something or not. So we elected that we elected leftist of the Senate you don't have the right of your conservative divide against him.

Of course you do. I wish we do one accepting two years of the President comes back and fights again and the same thing with self serve uses the word find again. What's wrong with that.

That's what we do in the United States. It's called the rough-and-tumble of American politics. And it's perfectly permissible to get him. I wanted to take a phone call and then you get more thoughts. The final segment here because is gone for at least another day in a house managers are saying that I can use all the time but I think of the going to tomorrow if not then you could see the President's legal team tomorrow. I guess, and they may not use other time he could see about. I mean, I guess possibly Friday, Saturday, but it looks like really probably have about Saturday or Sunday unless something comes about with witnesses, which it doesn't seem like either side is pushing for that right now. Let's go to Marie's call in South Carolina on line 1 Henry Jordan, thank you, are trained lawyers before they went into politics out of context. As we come back and thank you see that all of this is that a content actually will run the issues with impeachment trials as it goes on for 16 hours. The one side and you'll get to respond as the other side of the 16 hours so you have 48 hours until you can even make that point we can all do, that the media and that's kind of what we've been doing is what been doing so much media over these past few days were able to immediately raise hot rapid response because the lawyers have to sit there and wait to their turn they they can't do that.

So they will make that clear. But you know what the sad thing is Harry's those those who many are trained attorneys. Once you are and are still very smart people to get to level U.S. Senate like them are not good motives or not.

Their lease very highly manipulative people take to get there, and most are pretty good educations and a lot of lawyers but what it is is pure partisan politics dental care. I think that is correct and I also think that most of the lawyers in the United States Senate and most of the senators who are not lawyers they have enough experience to recognize that the Democrats are engaged in select editing of videos of me, in part because the Republicans at least know that the house managers. The house Democrats are motivated by copious amounts of bio and bitterness toward President plump and prompt voters.

This propels, in my opinion the Democrats to overplay their hand and to make material misstatements of fact in common parlance, the Democrats are in some cases engaged in issuing fibs, falsehoods, sleight-of-hand and deception, and I think at the end of the day. Most senators who have open minds will recognize that and so I think one of the rest of the Democrats run here is that if they keep overplaying their hand at some point it will indeed backfire. Yet I will is that is how it backfires midterm elections. Anything in this is that's how it's really gonna back first. I was one thing to try to tarnish the President do this right before the election and then they had covert and maybe maybe that her Pres. Trump. Ultimately, even though he was acquitted and vindicated his first impeachment I think was more the covert issue and more the mail in ballot issue in and things like that election laws changing but second time around when you barely have an once a 50-50 Senate and you lost your the only party that lost seats in the house you just lost another one in New York that I mean you would think that you be a little more careful. Yeah I mean I think that's the upside of this being a purely political processes at the ramifications for it are political as well. And what does that mean it means that the American voters you and me and everyone listening. We are the ones that get to decide what should happen here and look you know I I can guarantee you Jordan, that there is not a single senator on either side that the context for that speech down in Georgia is lost on them. They know that the control of the United States Senate was on the line and what was.

Every one of them telling their voters and their political apparatus. On that day. In that moment they were telling them to rise up and fight because the future of America was on the line and in a very different future in mind, opinion, what side they were's were starting for, but every single one of them Jordan with parent telling their people the same exact same thing that the President was saying in that moment. We've got to fight because control of the Senate is on the line and control of the Senate will dictate the future of America. They're all in the same boat. In that regard. Jordan Wright just catalytic final minute here, let me just go quickly.

Everybody you think that there is unit the American people that this disconnect angers them. I feel like it. Can it upsets everybody on both sides. I think that's true, but I also think what this impeachment does this trial does is that it will motivate particularly Republican voters in 2022. What this is a political trial. You know were used to rules in a regular courtroom in a civil case is a preponderance of the evidence in a criminal trial is beyond reasonable doubt to convict someone. None of those rules apply here at Senate impeachment trials. There is no single standard of proof is the political judgment and is going to be governed by the rules of the Senate and for the individual senators voting is very subjective. The rules that were used to in a courtroom do not apply here. It's political get out of time to get everybody to have Dan and Andy back on tomorrow. It will really get to see will take in the all this Congressman get a cast media.

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