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EP284: An Aussie Discovers American Wings and "Separate, but Equal": The Story of Supreme Injustice

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April 29, 2022 3:00 am

EP284: An Aussie Discovers American Wings and "Separate, but Equal": The Story of Supreme Injustice

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April 29, 2022 3:00 am

On this episode of Our American Stories, Colin Bettles shares how he found his passion for wings in upstate New York and took it with him all the way to Sydney, Australia...even attempting to sell them in his fish and chip shop. Homer Plessy's descendant, Keith Plessy, tells us the story of the Plessy v. Ferguson case, as well as what he and Judge Ferguson's descendant are doing about it now.

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00:00 - An Aussie Discovers American Wings

23:00 - "Separate, but Equal": The Story of Supreme Injustice

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Capitalism was underscored five goals placing buffalo wings on the menu at North Beach Seafoods and skip my wing drain slot a lot, shall we say, but in a modest way it was described to be sitting wings my own business was a fish and chip shop now one of the things that happened at that time was my marketing buffalo wings included I having a dedicated advertising on my Benny Morgan did for me so I'm gonna and on that advertising.

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Victor Newport was part of the commission report for was part of unification movement. Combine white and black protest and they got it during reconstruction everyone Homer Plessy became a man, those rights were slowly deteriorated and Homer Plessy attended these meetings with his stepfather, Victor, and he was familiar with the citizens committee, but he was not a member of the citizens committee that was a group of 18 lawyers business plan, the citizens of mixed race organization.

Some white citizens, African-American citizens long in the battle for freedom.

I think their history course back abolition long before so American Revolution also participated in the Battle of New Orleans citizens committee background fighting for freedom. A lot of those ancestors of citizens committee who fought in the Plessy Ferguson case of the turn-of-the-century war very much involved in the development of American Homer Plessy himself had relative decorated in American Revolution. His great-grandfather was Matt Volz decorated for times of battle, Lucian not being recognized as the American Revolution because Louisiana was still territory so his history goes back the right to fight for his was born with the country's DNA battle when 1890 rolled around in Louisiana decided to jump into the segregation chain of laws that was spreading across the South Florida has adopted its segregation laws on trains.

Alabama was before Louisiana adopted its separate Caldwell's 1890, and by 1891 challenge was being presented to to change that law by the citizens committee withdraw car act, or separate, correct was a law passed in Louisiana that required railroad companies to provide equal separate train car accommodations for Blacks and whites, but Homer's case is not first challenge car lost another man who was bypassing Daniel Beaty boarded first class car traveling from New Orleans to Montgomery, Alabama Homer Plessy was selected state law was being challenged into state law allowed trains outside stable so it didn't apply; the plots of those trains trains to travel within the state ones who were restricted by race in each call will look at the Louisiana law is you have a first class car was designated for white citizens in a second class car called in the system of these Louisiana railroad, they would have preferred to sell all first-class tickets as opposed to a separate card, it had to be set up so for instance the white call was not for one black citizen comes up to ride a train you have to prepare another call this guy and you have a schedule of the train is taken off going to want from one area to another related process by changing the car have medical to the train took off a lot of time schedule which resulted in full-service so you know those wanted to exercise segregation on the strange being late for appointments so it didn't make sense and you're listening to Keith Plessy and what a story this is ever read the case and you can actually just type in Plessy V Ferguson and read the opinion is astonishing when we come back we continue with Keith Plessy's voice in a direct relative sent of Homer Plessy, my goodness, it's in the herd but it's real life person telling the story real life people without them doing what they did things occurred when we come back more of the story Plessy versus is told by your on our Americans doing household chores can Artie be time-consuming and tedious. There's nothing more daunting than facing piles and piles of laundry that need to be done can be overwhelming for anyone.

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In New Orleans you have so many citizens who appear to be white, actually black and it was hard for the conductors to determine the races until today is still a problem for closed.

I have a personal take on that which say that one of the most scalded one drop that if you have one drop of African blood in your urine line your genealogy line that you will consider black and holy places case one the motion to close things that they were saying was that he was 18 black because of his great grandmother Agnes was a slave so he was considered an octave room to try to have.

To measure someone's race is just wanted to so many ridiculous that you know relative being recognizably human being is a person you have to talk about somebody's color. This can make any sense to me. Citizens committee had already cut a deal with the Louisiana railroad to work on this plan to change the law so when the Homer Plessy approach that train station.

He was already expected to arrive purchase the ticket without conflict. He entered the train train car which was designated for white and he sat down while the conductor and arresting officer will also hypothesis real to arrest Homer Plessy taken off the train so that they can challenge the law. Bailed out because it was set to be released. The initial criminal case was overseen by Judge John Howard Ferguson.

He ruled that Louisiana was able to regulate their interesting travel in whatever manner they deemed fit, after the verdict was passed, the citizens committee stepped in and appealed the case up to the states that result of the case was appealed to the US Supreme Court and challenged Supreme Court by Homer Plessy citizens committee and that's when it became Plessy versus Ferguson became a national case. What citizens committee. To raise money represent Homer Plessy think the phrase if I can get a correct was liberality of the rich and the might of the pool combined so you have a list around the United States people sent sent $10.

Some people sent $0.50 but everybody combine created on to represent Homer Plessy was a national representation. It was fought for about four years however was unsuccessful as history would write it. The decision was separate but equal became law of the land, but in that instance new era of civil rights pioneers development around the scene. That case a flight to continue to actually change after all separate but equal was adopted as long many other areas that were not sick, became sick so it brought about a backward step to America that I think was a crippling situation. Probably one of the worst if not worse decisions at a point in American history where we could actually turn the tables on inequalities that the country was producing at the same time with this narrative of equal justice for all.

It was not being practiced and it was given teeth. Jim Crow gave segregation teeth to bite into American society. Every facet possible drinking parks that allow you to come to certain areas.

Even when I was a kid.

It was a poor exercise. Weekends of white kids like kids at the squeeze in a little time in the park during the week school weekends whereby was out of school 1957 just a long after 1896 it was still affecting my life as a kid growing up.

Eventually Brown versus Board of education changed Homer Plessy's case Plessy decision change the landscape of civil rights law. At that point but transportation still was not changed until 60s when you have to Civil Rights Act sign still buses being attacked so the transportation issue was not solved was education, and brown people.

I remember as a child in elementary school being told that I was related to hopeless.

One of my teachers who can miss water.

She brought the phonebook into the room and while talking about Plessy versus Ferguson. She looked in my name stood me up in front of the class told kids last name spelled just like home wasn't too much later that Keith realized how closely related. Once Homer 1996 author Keith Weldon and this gentleman was doing research on Homer Plessy done extensive research in his book is being developed called me as Freeman Plessy versus Ferguson fight against segregation and his book entailed the genealogy of hopeless and that's when I really found out my connection? Regretful and also at the same time he was doing research on Judge John Howard Ferguson and not long after Phoebe Ferguson judge Ferguson's great great granddaughter Keith Plessy's great grandfather was Homer Plessy's cousin would meet.

He invited us to his books never seen or known of before and his book signing for the first time when I first met Ms. Ferguson she shook her hand and she began to apologize for slavery, segregation, everything that went wrong during racial relations, interrupted her and said hey it's not powerful. We can do so no longer Plessy versus Parks plus efforts so we became friends at that instant friendship sets took us from 2004 two 2009 we actually developed the foundation we signed our letters of incorporation at a restaurant called Café reconcile Sino papers. There will realize that on July 9 signing those papers.

The 14th amendment, it was adopted to the U.S. Constitution on July 9, 1860. Great job as always to Robbie and the Plessy and Ferguson foundation is doing a lot to educate together. Plessy and Phoebe Ferguson are spreading their message that their mutual history could be a tool to create unity and understanding want to read you the lone dissenting opinion. Everyone knows that the statute in question had its origin in the purpose not so much to exclude white people from railroad cars occupied by black, but as to exclude colored people coaches occupied by or assigned to white our Constitution is colorblind, and neither knows nor tolerates classes among citizens respective civil rights.

All citizens are equal before the law. The humblest year of the most powerful law regards Mannesmann takes no account of the surroundings or of his color civil rights as guaranteed by the supreme law of the land or involvement is Justice Harlan dissenting positive Ferguson positive Ferguson was told by story Americans. Millions will make Medicare coverage decisions for next year and UnitedHealth care can help you feel confident about your choices for those eligible Medicare annual enrollment runs from October 15 through December 7. If you're working past age 65. You might be able to delay Medicare enrollment. Depending on your employer coverage. It can seem confusing, but it doesn't have to be UHC Medicare health plan's.com to learn more United healthcare helping people live healthier lives. Certain sound like a good neighbor, call your local State Farm agent for quote today, nearly 60,000 women in the master diagnosed with uterine cancer and ecologic cancer talk to a doctor about your friend or family about their cancer history and learn about uterine cancer symptoms. Like any national leading is unusual for you, because treatment is most effective with an early appointment to your doctor if you have any concerns your body is important for the inside knowledge campaign to learn more