Living Out Your Holy Ambition with Jennie Allen - Living Out Your Holy Ambition

Today's a special day Living on the Edge you even talking about holy ambition and I got a friend who become a best-selling author who speaks literally over a million women and hundred and 40 countries and it all grew out of her holy ambition pushed the pause button from our normal teaching and I just want you to hear her story and get to know my friend Jenny.

You welcome to this edition of living only a survival feature for this daily discipleship program motivating first Christian as you just heard of this program will share chips recent author and speaker Jenny L may recognize her name from her popular thousands of women around the country. You'll hear more about her ministry without any further delay your strip introduces guest will welcome Jenny Allen here special time that I get to interview you and we have something in common in that almost 20 years ago I wrote a book called the holy ambition and actually before I wrote that book, your husband told me I think it was on like this. Cassette source a million years ago and you know part of our journey is, going back and hearing in a holy ambition is how God takes dreams that he puts in our heart and that process of turning them into reality. So I'm just when did you first hear about holy ambition and maybe what kind of impact did it have on your life. So I went back to back up just a little bit sending you here the context of when I found holy ambition or what it did for me. I look back at my life and I was a good church girl I pretty much okay my parents.

I only tested that nope so far and and largely was a good kid and wouldn't send the whole time I was a child I was a Christian, but really didn't come into saving knowledge of faith until I was 17 when I was 17 and I met Jesus. It was a zealot was born I was Paul I couldn't not talk about Jesus.

I talked about them to everybody in my life and they were completely annoyed like you really are out of control and and so I actually because it was so obnoxious. I just found I didn't have a model for this, I found some younger girls to teach the Bible to you and I talked about the revelation which don't recommend his 17-year-old knew nothing. I don't think I knew how to use a commentary as existed just open my Bible and starting from the beginning and thought teach you girls knows what I said but we had a ball.

They love God more because of it and I went on from there to continue discipling girls and to teach the no models for this just to talk about it and it wasn't going well, you know, I sports teams and friends.

Also, I just wants to learn and wants to know God like I got was just me. I was just a zealot and and I had teaching guest and and leadership gifts and visionary so all these very gifts they personality and passion and I'm a girl in a very conservative southern church was pretty healthy this light, but definitely didn't see women that had those gifts. I didn't know what to do with this. Yes, I certainly would have told you at that age that that there probably wasn't anything else for me to do. It does get sent to just leave a roomful of people and teaching Bible which was awesome and I did for 15 years. That was really how I spent the next 15 years.

My life always just had a living room full of people different ages.

I was discipling so you know it kept growing and visionary part of me gets really big ideas. I hated how they may work because I didn't feel like when they were supposed to do certain things and and I didn't know was a young mom who didn't work and felt convicted about that. I didn't think I could do those things part time you I didn't have the context of what God was birthing and he mentioned at the time, Jack was kind of an agreement. We were surviving. He was a minister he was in youth ministry. I was supporting him. It was a hard job.

We were having kids in our home all the time and we have a young kid that need to eat and you know grow up, so that's about the time that holy ambition came to realize that were both missionaries were both directional leaders and we both have a lot of capacity and we were in a little bitty town in Cleburne, Texas and and we listen to your radio show.

We loved your radio show and you are in large part discipling us and we heard about holy efficient way and so we we ordered and I don't know how we got it. But again, I remember the box and it was this little thing you popped open with 60 settings or so I got it and so we were actually starting seminary around that time and we were driving in a time I had was out of place and he was like yes get your teaching a lot I would let you take classes we were prioritizing. Not so were doing seminary and were listening to this when we would drive in to class what it blew my mind is like to how I change my mind was how I verified the dreams got me. I had completely boxed and my gifts and how I think I should be using and even that the certain the series made me uncomfortable. Holy ambition, I thought that word was evil. Yes and I was scared of. I didn't want that. I didn't want to act like I was a big deal. I didn't want to seem presumptuous when this little he Bible church in a little town in was already too much everybody so I was so curious, but I was afraid to believe that God can do more with me because I was afraid without meaning without the cost. Let me pause for second because what I can tell you is for whoever and how many ever listen to what you just said there everywhere and they feel the same way I was in a tiny little town in Texas myself in our first pastorate and I had these thoughts and these dreams and I would just like I would wake up in a cold sweat thinking you're the most arrogant person in the world. How could you ever think that ship and in the and yet I pray you and say, oh God, I just see what could happen in all the sudden I started looking at most of these people in the Bible before they got in stained glass were like really regular pretty broken or in priority and that was the turning point and I just uniting inmates same here because I've always been ambitious, God had to do something to get a holy ambition and there is a fine line there is in their about yourself.

I need while cemeteries were the turning point for me. All that that Dave needed permission to do is just okay got to hear what God was with leaning to her to see. This is the direction he's he's going to submit to my elders and the Senate has a right so I have these coverings were protected, visualizing myself and having to be that thoroughbred finally got a field I was kind of in a stall. I felt like I was like doing that rope thing like walking the circle as I was buying a house that you know what I love what I do.

People have got people to disciple and I'm just going to do that till Jesus comes or I got home so I was fine, but I always had this feeling that the gate opened and I ran I would be happy. I will be full. I would be no what I didn't have some pictures just like when I age. Beth Moore is on the scene that she's just barely like to publish a category for what I do now, so that when I talk about holy ambition being a turning point for me. It was like I jotted down that I would have a podcast and I would speak to thousands of people, options or it was just a sense that I wouldn't always be holding myself… I would be obeying God and running. Sounds like obviously that would be wholly right. Obviously, that would be what God wanted that when you have so many expectations so many fears and your people pleaser, which I was at the time got rid of that. Thankfully that time it was debilitating. There is, that feels crazy and living out the expectations of the people around you don't have a lot of strong when ahead of you that is modeled reading and teaching and using the so ambition for me was not cluttered that now today that's for getting me in check. I will be the greediest I can I can get paid whatever I want to go speak somewhere I can write a church was like what wheelchair will pay just tell us what is just just tell them whatever they want to. There is there is a mixed bag in this world of public Christianity that exist longer than that. That is, should terrify right and I again what I've done is I've built the most ridiculous accountability. It's embarrassing we show our finances to a group of people. The short hiding and getting to other organizations. They see the numbers not just the percentages they know how much I may get things they are watching our hearts and guarding our hearts, because, yes, that ambition can turn dark fast everywhere right now. This and I think that's where my life I can even handle that because I can ginned the opportunities got me today that he was preparing me to say yes and that I had to get over my own fears other people's excitations and really believe that he had a story for me to lead and I didn't want to miss it and what what was it about the content I mean for those who thinking holy ambition. What you all really talking about maybe a quick review it's it's really good. It's the profile of Nehemiah's life who's basically a business guy living in the lap of luxury and so God takes this leader into situations that other people are tried. Nothing happened.

He dislocated his heart and then he recognizes he can't do it.

He is is broken spirit and desperate dependency of prayer takes a radical step of faith.

The third thing were he risked his life and then not all mystical and spiritual.

He comes up with a strategic plan and organizes people and makes a personal commitment of what's my role on the wall and then you know the American version of that is then everything goes great. The biblical version is he gets personally attacked from all sides. Yes, and that's my story. I think that every story and so as you were kind of going through first. It's okay to be ambitious for God holy ambition and to dream and do what he wants you to do will then there's kind of the process. First, what dislocated your heart you. What was it that like this I either get so mad because is not happening.

When I think about it. I cry when I found the need that is unmet that and you can't do everything, but is just like my names on this got if you would let me come tell me how that happened because to me that's how get hundred percent and my heart was dislocated and then I was saved and that's why I was so passionate was I wanted people to know Jesus.

I saw Helen hadn't felt real to me. The word felt I could just see it happening everywhere so the bondage that I saw women specifically and still to this day that it haunts me.

I walk into a room to speak regardless of the size and there is a part of me that is going. I feel the darkness right like I can sense that that people are in bondage in stock so I mean I mean I would use a stronger word than dislocated.

I was just I could not escape this garden and it is burning in my bones. While the positive is like I can't believe that the Savior like this negative I'm around people every single day that don't have so that I mean I'm an evangelist at heart like that is where my heart was dislocated.

It was it was everybody I met after I loved Jesus it was just I am greeted by so so I think what was the first thing it was just something I will do it and I am strategic and I am creative and I maybe D and II think out of the box and and so how to reach people and how to bring the gospel to people was Technicolor had passions in creative ways to do what you did with the content did was right. He took the lid off like where you just put a lid on your passenger. Yes, your dreams, your your personality like where you just limited what God can do and I remember just going up everywhere and let was well really strategic and I could I could serve God and help God in an even more unique ways and just pastoring because we were incinerate the time and he was thinking out-of-the-box about leader, I would say that's his main thing is, he's a coach at heart and he's just a really excellent executor and leader, and he does not now for lots of different companies.

He is a serial entrepreneur, we colonies are letting a title which just means that that he is strategically helping helping lots of different companies that devastated Alex usually sounds like a wooden desk and so all that to say he his story was was different with the content was just feeling valued of gosh I have a part to play on the wall place to contribute and it's okay that it's not Nehemiah.

I wanted to say that it's not you know whatever his picture ministry was at the time so I think it redeems business for him throughout his life. He is the red ministry business that is really powerful, so he actually sees himself still in ministry but yet he is not vocationally paid to do ministry and all that came from. From that time in his life and so giving ourselves permission to think differently about our guests are calling and how we could play parts on the wall building the kingdom was was a huge part of you can tell them is early probing. As we spent some time together and then I was pastoring for a number of years before it dawned on me we develop this thing called prime movers were literally retook high-capacity people get them in a room together and sort clear away all the clutter of influence affluence all that and say wow you know once you minister to one another and identify what that holy ambition is not just talk about it or intended, or do it later.

It can happen in and through your business in and through your life right now and MS why would we want people to realize you have to be a pastor or speak them.

Thousands of women in 140. Some countries have a holy ambition numbing my wife's holy ambition. I mean she rotors out was an investment in our kids and what would happen in their life and through their life and be honest, when I see my four kids. I'm glad what I've gotten to, but there their impact in their spheres of influence I think will far outweigh mine. As a result of that, there's just tons of other moms it doesn't always have to be think sometimes people get the idea.

It's big, or famous or a lot know it's your part on the wall but it's I thought of these invisible expectations that will only someone else could do this or do that now. If men struggle with this as much as when in bed do tend to go one way or the other right and I think that's what were talking at his attention. Obedience to what God called me to choose what is he telling me to do for me it would been disobedient to push away the dreams and visions that he was building at the beach. At the same time for your wife.

It would've been disobedient to like deals and tried to erase what people need to hear essays story and his creativity is unique for each person. I wanted to so many people will ask me like I want to be you like what do you you get to do what you do :-) so what what you think I do. Next thing I say is well. I spent 15 years in a living or making disciples.

When I get to heaven.

I believe that will be the thing that I'm probably most rewarded for the lives that that still I just pulled together a group of seven. It's been like a year to you that I haven't been able to have that and That throughout my ministry growing and I know without a doubt that step out there that Don known for. That will probably burn not right that I've Artie received reward for so even when you're called to the day is not about the bit and and for me it still is about that living room and and they get my priority at my office to my team and I tell them all the time. I might listen. I will be held accountable for that million people we reach to this conference I will be for y'all. If you are going up in the faith and if y'all are letting Jesus more because of time with me so I think it even when it gets big and yet is important especially now that kind ambition wasn't readily even rightly, but now is the person dotted with the generation coming growing up on social media is I went had a big influence. I went had a platform and I think it will be really powerful conversation because it's refining that ambition right.

I look at my daughters and they don't have ambition. That's not people would've looked at me that way at that age.

This, but now I'm looking at them and let's let's turn that ambition into something holy and I think it's it's it's a lot of tension which is what it is to follow God or just holding all those tensions and embracing the second part of work with a lot of business people. We have both men and women and you know and people were very successful and have a lot of gifts and usually when you have gifts and capacity and and work really hard, you end up in positions of leadership in and often with with welcoming those are some things and yet the turning point of watch.

So often is. That's what you can do with your energy and your gift and you make it happen.

And often that missing moment of God's hand is that that moment of the broken spirit where you come to the end of yourself, and often it happens as the Mideast ministry starts growing and you have these private moments is so slick I'm overwhelmed. I can't do this and I think that gets largely reflected in our prayer life in our personal time with God and then you know maybe one, two or three of their close, his closest friends that you can absolutely be vulnerable with because there's this outside person whatever stage and then there's this very real coming to the grips of God.

If this is not about you and he asked us it seems that incremental stages to take steps of faith, if it doesn't work you have way more than egg on your face times it's relocating some time is like trusting God for money.

What what are some of the challenges as you have now walk through the journey. Your world is really changed. One of the misconceptions about anything that succeeds is that it was happen to the right was just successful and trended up and I would say largely, numerically, and I just in every way like that on paper that is behind the scenes. It has been horrific and I and I don't use that word lightly because I know people listening no horrific things in our life but I remember when we launched it gathering the reason we did it.

I did not want to do it. I did not want to run organization. I still struggled with wanting to be a stay at home mom, and not wanting to do much ambition. I still was fighting a battle I just wanted to control it and someone to write a few books which I been asked to do and sign and I wanted to build.

I wanted thing that I pictured that could reach this generation to exist. I didn't want to be on the belt as I just can't getting away giving it to ministries Artie had. This is what I think you need to do to the next generation but it became clear that I was I was called to build it and I remember before were about to sign for the 501(c)(3). I met with the mentor of mine to a lot of people would know and I was on my knees and she was praying over me and she said I CCed on the seat is doing that since he is doing is this praying is really prophetic powerful prayer over me like okay now I guess I need to do this and at the same time I friend called me when my best friend had just had a vision. She's not super spiritual and she said I was getting a massage with him closely to Jesus. I picture God picking you up and digging a hole and putting in the ground covering a lot like UST and I pull over and I needed God rarely does this but I pulled over my car and I pulled out my computer and I typed out I got a contract that I will I will do this I will start getting so weak I get home. We file the paperwork you know I she has a massive stroke within a week like after week after and can't see and she's our best friend that began for me.

I dumpster fire that is five years.

So those five years were when everything was being born, but everything in our life.

It felt like was falling apart. My husband is lucky to depression and and our family is going through so much hardship, a lot of which I can't share my my my extended family was.

It was the darkest season in our lives. It felt like I had signed something with God and said I'll do what you call me to do and doing so we became like a bull's-eye attack right picture of it on the playground to play game with this horrible event where you got hand and you twist each other's arms until somebody crowd cried mercy and I remember one day when night. I remember that's what I felt and I cried out this is too bad, too many people I love that undisclosed you are under attack. I'm out and I don't remember like the answer to that moment of how did you persevere is not clear to me. I don't remember. I remember that moment I don't remember how I got out of bed the next day how I didn't stop the movement, God was already happening, but I I wanted to I can say that in those five years, what God did, and I will I will always think and I remember when I started and I signed up for it before I would sign on the line of that but deal. I reached out to somebody you trust. And I said I'm scared. I'm gonna sign this paper and I sell my faith and I'll be successful on earth because my love for Jesus and I'll get to heaven and Jesus will be like you, literally you just don't know you like you lost or sold and I was so scared that I remember playing sweet friends who I respect said Jenny you never lose that fear being afraid that this could correct you like our crops right and so keeping afraid that I remember praying God just want to please you. I don't care if any of the succeeds.

I am not walking with you and you and my soul is kept by you and I look at that prayer. That's how he kept myself I'm going to speak at one of the biggest conferences in the world. This is like your one or two of my public ministry and the night before and helping my friend Sarah clean out the pantry she's drooling. She's in a wheelchair where putting away her pantry. She's in the middle of a divorce just so dark you can imagine and and then people ask me how do you like like this is hard. I mean I don't feel like a big deal.

Speaking at a conference when you've been good night Mexico. I still you know when you're walking through… So I think got and I know that I would have lost my soul like he knows how to persevere and know he does not want to torture the people we love the enemy God hates evil like he does not want people to win ever. But in the timing and the difficulty that we were facing used it to purify my my motives in my heart and and I thank him for that because I I just know I and prone to all the horrible things that would have me pause for second because one of the predictable things that happens to people, and especially no is whether they read holy ambition or listen to it or whatever God bursts things and people and they they sign on the line. It gets clear and they take those steps and we have been so inundated and maybe, maybe not some full prosperity design conscious beliefs of that if you really obey God. I mean if you're really all in your future, your family, your what whatever God that the prediction in in the subconscious is things are going to be good. There's going to be a blessing in in the fact of the matter is long-term. That is very very true. But they get disillusioned and think either God let me down, or what's wrong. He doesn't care what you and I both from experience and if we would read through Scripture carefully. The journey is much more and this is what I want people to hear if God is going to choose to use you greatly in a broad scope than he has to deepen you so that when it happens. The roots of your life will be sung again and it will not be getting caught up in it and there's only one way to go there and it's paying a level dependency. When you trust when there's no payoff in fact it is negative, it's difficult. It's painful and it's and it is spiritual warfare and thanks for sharing that. That's a side of your life.

Not a whole lot of people necessarily will know and yet, as people begin to dream and think of is not one person is what it's like that I don't really want to do that and I knew what it was like I wouldn't say people say sometimes like would you get it out today on my car yet.

Can you I'll give it up.

I'll give it up before I ever started me quitting is more of a problem then it is you know something like my identity like no attached to this calling is in such grief and such difficulty in such pain that it's more likely to slip through my fingers than for me to grab it too tight and I love because that was my biggest fears of God's protected me. I think he honors you know Solomon prayed for wisdom and God gave it when you pray for something that you want a pure heart, humble heart you'll get it and I think that I don't regret right so well when the day comes to sit close up ever to retire to be done. All I'll say yes and amen by that I do same time I might die so much fruit has come from it. In his vision and his plan on stewarding this thing right and all state and because I told him I wanted, so I could purify my heart and to make the more I can as I gone and he's used to thing I thought would would crumble me and distract me and take me away from my family and away from God and he's a great start family and he is dealt up the fate of our family and he's built my faith and he again and I have weakness everywhere. We talk about today like my scent that what I see in general. This is God who has protected and protected me only because it was his plan and we were chasing you and try to make some guys think this idea that I've got a good platform is the wrong place to start. But it's everywhere as opposed to God what you want me to do Lordship. I'll do whatever you want me to do something.

As always, there's cost but there is reward you said that word fruit and you just see these ripple effects of the women that you help and what happens in their marriages.

And guess what those kids get a different mom and the single people have a different hope and so on the one hand, of course, there's Jesus was for the joy set before but he endured the cross, and so we get. I mean, I want people to know. Follow your holy ambition of of course there's a price tag but I would not trade it is exceedingly great reward to walk with God is good to walk it.I want I want to veer off in anything he has for me because the hardest parts of actually been the richest and the best part, you know, we adopted our youngest son out of obedience and I was one of the things got in our heart as we pray Lord will do anything you watch and I mean you talk about the greatest blessing to our families like he has kept us close my college kids come home and will probably move back here because they feel responsible to help us like the world like he has made our family has not been the hardest.

You know journey for him for our kids and breath, but would we ever trade that storyline.

I mean he has my heart.

That boy I love him so deep cannot family without him. So it's kind of like when I trained hard for the good never all the best parts were hard in our heart and I think we just we we can do harder things anything and and we need to be people who don't make life choices based on pros and cons and even comfort and hardship but on obedience to God whatever he calls us. You remind me as we think about all of this is is basic somehow.

This is got to be what superstars do or what really really committed Christians.

Jesus said if anyone will follow me. Anyone want to be a follower M deny himself and take up his cross, take up her cross and follow me. Because if you seek to save your life. I want my way on my terms.

My agenda my weight you'll lose it, but if you give up your life if you can be the seed that goes into the ground and dies, it will bear forth much fruit and I think on the journey of my one of high profile you have a life first, but if there's one I go back to Hebrews 1036. As you have need of endurance, so that once you have done the will of God, you might receive what was promised and so much of what I hear you saying is it's a calling of God uses issue is very challenging you endure as you endure.

He's probably changed you more than anyone you've ever spoken to all the people around you, and it's the resurrection fruit that is coming out of your personal journey gives the authority and the power to how God has used you as you speak and as you write it is. It's it's a beautiful thing yeah yeah yeah I mean even what any of my ambition in my best days ever dream up what God is doing right now. No way… Possible is just only the spirit of God to do the things while one I want to wrap it up because I'm thinking I will make sure everyone hears this is what we do and this is this is me asking.

So this is you telling week we heard 10 years teaching in the living room, so here's your assignment. Are you ready what was the impact of Ishmael to the glory of God. Second, how in the world could someone be involved in what is your heart what you long to see happen. I mean everything I do is I build tools and experiences to make disciples who make disciples. There is no other goal of my life disciple generation is a thing hanging on my wall like that is what I want to give my life to you for the rest of it and so and we do that through the local church and probably her daughter's huge gatherings. They do not do local churches to do the we we do that we we support. We exist as a ministry to support the local church and and so what I love is is is a group project out there there's a lot of people like the daughters that it just that I will host my place and I'll have my neighbors and friends and even our our experience. Our conference is still just a tool. Writer to tool to help build great conversations around Jesus and and so we keep things simple. We cross all denominations aptly while this last year we just had our event in March and we had over 6500 people like her daughters that hosted event for us across the world reach hundred and 44 countries that we don't know the numbers of how people are in those that you know hundreds of thousands of people watching individually to so it's pretty unbelievable by what I love is that it's not me excited are teaming another 20 lesson is obvious they give our lives to these these tools and experiences. It is all of those women out there that have said yes and they do the brave thing we always say that there are the heroes of this ministry because they brave inviting their friends and their neighbors and so anyway it's itself.

I love working with women because they do get after it and make things happen and it's just been such a fun time journey is gathering.com is the place and the other tools are Jenny Allen.com and say both of those. Just a little bit slower for visual learners like me instead of the audio learners have just sent it. I asked gathering.com okay, Jenny, JE and i.e. Allen and LL EN.com and all my tools and resources are in those two places. And yeah, it is an adventure and we love women to come of all ages to come alongside of us.

We had 1400 college students host this year. We also have women in their 80s that are applicable leaders. So this is still fine because it does cross so many barriers and brings women together. Well Jenny thank you for taking the time and sharing your story for people that want to find out this week. Keep their interest. What is holy ambition. It's a it's a book and part of this conversation. I'm so grateful was you know I wrote that book 20 years ago, and to build update for people to see the stories of people like yourself just rings me great joy in so there's an app called Chip Ingram to start my name in the app store or LivingontheEdge.org and will have someone get with you either listen to the MP3s for free or get it in whatever format that you want, but could you pray for those people that find themselves. You know I think God speaking to me.I know you are.

I know you are and I know that you're doing it in the same way you've done it since the very beginning. You and your spirit are leading people to obey you and I look at the Scripture. And it's ultimately a story Jesus but it's also a story about a lot of humans that needed Jesus and and stumbled their way through life and yet they had something that marks almost all of that which was God. I pray for an increase of faith that we needed. There are mountains to climb. In this generation. There are things that need to be built in this generation. There are ministries that need to be started in this generation. There are people that need to hear the gospel and cubicles on college campuses and classroom scotch in this generation. So you know all the people listening to what I love is that we work with you and so when we do something like this got your spirit is out, bearing in cars and on walks the people in your leading people in your stirring people and causing them to wonder and be restless like this little idea how to do something you want me to do and I pray that those conversations would continue in the days and weeks and hours to come. God would you would you bring people around those listening to have a dream when you give them team like you done for me again and again.

Burchett would you would you cause people to take the lid off to imagine how to send their life well in a short time here because we aren't here long guy, would you help us kill the idols of our heart. Whether that's approval or comfort or money or success. Whatever it is, power or fear God, whatever that thing is it keeps us from obeying you which you would you help it to die. Would we would return and repent and run from it and would you give us the power to do that strength to do that. Thank you that you are the God who never sleeps and that you are accomplishing your purposes God around us and and over us or us to realize and so would we be people that work with you that we see our purpose is to submit and obey.

I think of the great hand trust and obey, for there is no other way. God there is no other way. Even if that leads us into valleys, God, you will be with us in our salaries and there is no other place I would rather be with you, even in the darkness got thank you.

You will spark lots of acts of obedience. Because of this conversation, we pray and into existence the things that they're friendly and I need to put a blast so good to know you two to thank you Julio.

To learn more about Jenny's ministry over many published works.

Go to your website. Jenny Allen.com that's gently Allen.com will before we wrap up trips back with me to talk about our next series and why you should join us. Thanks so much Dave.

Those of you who been around Living on the Edge very long know that one of our key premises of life change is the renewing of our mind. Romans 12 to Jenny wrote a book called get out of your head, where she talks about seven toxic things literally ruin our mind think she's got some things to say to all of us, but especially to some young women and some young moms who would say Chip thanks for inviting someone who really understands my world and memo to you men. As I listen to it as I read the book.

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