Are the Gifts of the Spirit for Today?

The following is a prerecorded program will you know that I believe that the gifts and power. The spirit is mentioned in the New Testament are for today as well. Many differ will find out why today it's time for the light a fire with your host difficult scholar and cultural commentator Dr. Michael Brown your voice for more savvy and spiritual clarity called 866-34-TRUTH to get on the line of fire and now there's your host Dr. Michael Brown back.

I don't agree with me on the gifts, and power.

The spirit I've had days.

Rev open up the phone said he call and explain why you don't agree with this where you hold to this position, you differ with me on this and some days will get flooded with calls. Some topics will get flooded with calls others.

People will call for whatever reason, so II posted on Twitter and on Facebook. I really did this so don't respond. Now I post on Twitter and Facebook and and I asked for responses only interact with these now because many of those responding will speak for you and I will give you my feedback all right want to give you my reasons for believing what I believe in my book, authentic thoughts on nothing because that's all I can remember in my book, authentic fire, which was a response to Pastor John MacArthur's stranger fire strange fire written with respect and honor of the senior man of God and senior leader in the body with my differ on the gifts, and power. The spirit for today. In the book. I have a chapter called solo script, Torah, and therefore charismatic there if you're familiar with the with the term so the Scripture. It's a term that says that our faith is based on the written word of God and not on outside tradition and and not even on outside experience but based on Scripture. So, as Paul says in Galatians 1. If I were an angel come and preach any other gospel to you than the gospel. You heard then let that person that Angel whoever this cursed and get under the law. In Deuteronomy 13 God said that he would test Israel right that someone might come who was a prophet or dreamer of dreams or miracle worker, and they might prophesy something work a miracle I would come to pass and they say come follow other gods, testing, you write so if an angel comes down with power and glory and and everything in your room shakes and angels is throughout the Bible is not God's word and based on the word winter rebuke that spirit in Jesus name to get behind me Satan you have to say those exact words but you don't say reject that is counterfeit.

Paul writes in second Corinthians 11 chapter verse 13 through 15 that Satan himself comes as an angel of light. So it's can be the same with false apostles, false prophets. Plus, specifically speaking, there are false apostles that there is a calm looking like real apostles like the real thing or the counterfeit on some level has to look like the real one counterfeits a three dollar bill because there are those three dollar bills as to look real and so last look authentic in some way recessed up some resemblance some deception in it that makes you think it's the real thing that no one calls her on the phone says hey I'm a con man and I will steal your money. What will you we give it to me now know you know the notorious stereotypical used-car salesman of all of it all with yeah this vehicle only had 4000 miles on his grandma just drove it to church and how is it right think that they gotta have something lease looks good to tell you that story right so Cesar becomes an angel of light. There's gonna be deception. Second Thessalonians 2 talks about the memo send the Antichrist working all types of counterfeit miracles in the book of Revelation are there pictures of his demonic powers working counterfeit miracles, we know that the magicians and in imposing Moses rebel work some counterfeit miracles, but only go so far right. True miracles of God crush. There's but in point of fact it. There are counterfeits out there and there are many people who use who question the reality of of miracles, healings, today, and they say will come.

I'm so strong, so the Scripture also which is why I embrace the grace and power of the spirit. It is why I hold to healing for today. I don't hold to divine healing today primarily based on what I've seen. I've seen some miracles and I know many others who see many more miracles and I have a feeling, but my primary reason for believing in divine healing for today that we can pray for the sick. With expectation of healing and unbelief to see miracles taking place in our day is based on Scripture not experience based on Scripture and I found very interesting after an authentic far as I begin to hear from people who said I have to admit I rejected the things of the spirit because of bad experiences reading your book in the chapter particular convinced me of what the word says no I have to process what to do with that right so here's here's what I tweeted. I tweeted this. Please post here. I did this a week ago. Why you are not continuation this charismatic I'll do my best. Interact with your post in the coming modifier broadcast. The sooner you post the better. Thanks. I did that on Twitter that I did that on Facebook so I'm just gonna read through some of the responses as they came in and I understand that any of these people responding if they if they called in a federal broadcast could articulate much more depth right they could say much more than what they're saying in a tweet so I'm not claiming that they gave the best fullest argument that came this is primary thing that they tweet right.

That's what they're communicated so Kyle said this charismatic's often deemphasize Scripture and boast of visits to heaven. Angel visitations and jerking twitching physics of heaven healing on command really here suffering on the cross to me versus her taken out of context really are spirits tested need more balance what he and I agree with a lot of that you haven't I would absolutely say some of it is overstated. For example, I know a handful of people that speak of visits to heaven. This is not the norm member of a commission. This charismatic circles for the better part of 50 years right there was the season I was not in charismatic circles as much for a few years right for for for five years, but otherwise 51 years in the Lord now going on that and charismatic Pentecostal circles are so II know a handful of people who speak of of heavenly visitation or a regular basis so it is certainly not the norm in circles in which I travel Angel visitations. I've never had an angelic visitation.

I was aware of that to his this is fairly rare right fairly rare, head jerking don't boast of head jerking, twitching in the head jerking thing I've seen it here and there. The one prominent example in the Brown's revival, but Hank had a great we became friends.

He said I'm generally concerned about this woman's health and a woman named Valerie and the Browns will some the of God and and she was in the choir and you just see her head shaking like that.

The whole time. Hank said he talked with Dr. about it was it was genuinely concerned in thing was real certain anything was God mean did things really from God.

I should say I was concerned, so I asked her about it and she said that she was a believer but was living in rebellion I believe was living with a guy and she got a bad car accident. She was a schoolteacher teaching of children with special needs.

If I recall rightly. She was getting her Masters degree to help teach children with special needs and associate the bad car accident. Her neck froze as a result of it. So if she had talked of your next her she had to turn her body. She could turn her neck at all. And God was dealing with the repents of her sin. The night that she repented she was instantly healed and as a sign.

Her neck began to move in and moved like that for years when she was the services and felt the presence of God, a pain-free and injury free and trauma free.

So interestingly, it was signed really like it a lot. That was her story, but people, both men had jerking treat of you have been plenty of meetings were people go twitching that this is not boasting about the physics of heaven is one book I I would dare say that if you talk to hundred million representatives simply 100 million charismatics around the world and asked how many are familiar with what's in the book physics of heaven. You find maybe 100 maybe that many to me that would be very very high number of healing on command you. We do believe that we pray in faith for healing, absolutely because the Scripture because the explicit teaching of Scripture to do that. In particular, James V chapter really here of sufferings and the cross to me versus taken out of context really are spirits tested I absolutely agree with these other concerns, absolutely that often we don't have a good theology of suffering we don't have a good theology of the cross and how that applies in our lives. I LLC Scriptures deemphasized.

I see charismatics in the word a lot preaching teaching out of the word, but often with bad methodology and and often things are taken out of context. Of course, everybody does every everybody has error that other groups can expose but yes, more balance is needed, but that's a reason to reject the things of the spirit that's recent seal. It's deep in the charismatic and the cost of movement. That's why I wrote for example, in 1991. Whatever happened to the power of God is the charismatic church slain in the spirit out for the count. That's right, wrote 2018 playing with holy fire wake-up call to the Pentecostal charismatic church. That's why some of the correction in the authentic fire book.

That's why the prophetic standard statement that that we put out what couple years ago, Bishop Joe Matera and I and then with with many other signers of putting that out now is probably over 900 signers around the world. Many of them denominational leaders, movement leaders, church leaders of civil absolutely absolutely yes yes yes we need more discernment are our horror heart horrible track record with the the covert prophecies getting that wrong is to dissipate by Passover 2020 and and then the terrible failure with the trump prophecies so little discernment among so many in the body. Yes, I'm aware that major prophetic movements like Bill Hammons and and those with Bill have those was Cindy Jacobs never prophesied Trump's reelection. I am aware that Bill Hammons guidelines would've argued against even making prophecies in that way of but the loudest voices that were heard and many of them were wrong and millions of believers were deceived by the worst deception of sin and alive. So yes, yes, yes, more discernment is needed more being based in the word is needed there flaky things done in the name of the spirit.

Yes, I agree, but that's why I just want to see the movement deepen God forbid we throw out what the Spirit is doing because of the errors of others. Is that what Paul did with Corinthians duties brought the things of the spirit or did he command them for for moving in the things of the Spirit first Corinthians 1.

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Birth the seventh verse did he commend them for those things. Verse 6 to 7 in the context there and then the Sebring series correction and say no get it right this really is and how the characters learn to light a fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown on the line of fire by calling 866-34-TRUTH here again is Dr. Michael Brown. I am feeling charismatic for Pentecostal interacting with posts on Twitter that on the face book in the next part of the broadcast. But here's what JD posted.

I'm not completely sold on sensationalism, but continue his continuation is and gives me pause one documents money glossolalia speak in tongues is biblical tongues, interpretation, interpretation of tongues appears nonexistent to in the Bible times, a miracle seem to come in ways perhaps there will be an end time one. Will JD first let me suggest that that is the last hundred plus years is been a time of great outpouring of the Spirit around the world.

The Pentecostal charismatic movement has grown from literally a handful of people to over 600 million some up with the number even the higher yeah I know there's a mixture in that number in in different ways but just in terms of those who believe in the gifts, and power. The spirit today and profess to be followers of Jesus and that it if if you look at Randy Clark's book eyewitness to miracles or you'll look at Craig Keener's two-volume work on miracles with a one volume condensation to string miracle testimonies you see that God's been doing amazing things around the world for many years now it in in ways that we did not see in previous generations.

So I would say that there is something happening even more is going to happen. In fact, excuse me, I personally believe that one reason for the housecleaning. One reason for divine judgment on charismatic excesses when reason that that these errors are being exposed is because God is wanting to pour the spirit and unprecedented measure, but the wineskins are not ready. The vessels are not ready to deepen our character. We need to deepen our walk with the Lord. We need to deepen our discernment by the way, some you say well if you believe in divine healing.

How come you cough sometimes because I live in a body in this world and and were not get to see 100% perfect results in this world and and maybe I do need to care certain things better, but either way, let me ask you this. Doesn't the word say that we died to sin. We should no longer live in it right in there versus are no longer live, but Christ lives in me and you died your life is not in the crisp crust without drama struggle since till right everywhere in this world.

These things happen, but Esther first point documents money glossolalia is biblical tongues so how would you know how you know Ellis Paul says to the Corinthians, but speak in tongues that no one understands you, then listen interpreters present with understands and these it is supernatural. Give some of the gift of interpretation that your speaking mysteries in the spirit to God somehow detested right how detested to me. The test is. Jesus said if you ask your father for Brady will give you a stone. If you're asking for, for she will give you snake. If you being evil, not to give good gifts to children how much more with the heavenly father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him. Luke 11 sold and I disclose less was Luke 1113. So if if that's the case, and I say father. I'm asking you to fill me with your spirit so I can glorify Jesus that I can be more strengthen and edify so I can serve this dying world.

And you begin to speak and why would you never spoken before and as you speak your edified and built up at and and it's not something that you're making from your consciously not making it up.

You pick up a book and start reading it while speaking in tongues and rose.

While this is coming from another part of my being. Wouldn't that be the best proof everything to be manufactured at seven Paul's day, people could've been there doing Scott Singh about Bob but up in the Bob but knowing that the climate was tongues right in anything you would make a claim. This is fair question, but again, go back to what the word says and in the word clearly says these things are to continue until Jesus returns and we see him face-to-face.

We should earnestly pursue the art would see Donna execute will.

I'm just going to sit this one out since I first thought your tweets a constitutionalist charismatic Jules, why aren't you charismatic just for the same reason I will not criticize people believe in Yeshua Jesus and worship on Saturday or Sunday will not make for them.

More Christian than simply does not. Just like Paul was telling everyone you do not need to do the works of the law no advantages okay if they understands you, what about Paul earnestly desiring and telling us to earnestly desire the things of the spirit. Talk about the importance of the Holy Spirit in his own ministry. Why, why would he be emphasizing that if it isn't an advantage over as if someone is operating gifts of healing, and people are recklessly healed in Jesus name. As a result of which they realize he's risen from the dead and hear the gospel and repent of their sins and enter following the Lord is not a good thing that God is doing that we should want. For others to one. Charismatic leaders of the just for others socially wanted out of love to serve others when I pray for God to manifest himself more powerfully and it's also people say Dr. Brodeur amazing while was quite the opposite is so they won't see me though.

See God working through me to his glory. All Edgar though I become more open to the idea of the distal happening. I'm not yet convinced of the arguments of my continuation. This brethren reply in the 99.99% of cases of this part of the world a more open parts which lack of easy access to God's biblical revelation know when I see the gifts about the gifts that make it a controversy between continuation is an cessation us. Of course I believe the cost of gives us gifts of the Holy Spirit right right so clearly the debate is not just God still save today discussed will transform today is the power of the spirit work for sanctification. The ones disputing that among us as believers. The dispute is his tongue still for today are prophecy or can we pray for the sick with expectation of healing. So II appreciate that your openness and I can't speak to what you're saying terms of 99.99% of cases so listlessly by the other parts of the world often. That's where you hear the greatest testimonies. The gospel is being preached for the first time I was reading all some months back, a pastor in the Paul which is a Hindu nation saying that that people would bring to the church.

Those that couldn't be cured by the hospital and often you know what your ear in places where there is not the best healthcare either and they would bring into the church and they pray over these people and when they revealed the whole family would become Christian. They realize this is real Jesus is alive. Sewage is possibly the word. The word tells us that Jesus heals today. The word tells us to pray for the sick, the word shows that is a pattern in the book of acts and and and were called to have that ongoing demonstration in the church. According to James Jacob. The fifth chapter right so these things should be happening.

According to the word. That's why pray for the sick.

If I was to write a theology of healing based on my experience I would say on rare occasions, God heals cancer. God heals people who are physically disabled, blind, unable walk on rare occasions she does that many many many times he removes pain he feels more minor diseases and lots of times he doesn't respond to our prayers for you that would be my theology feeling based on experience based on the word.

I set the standard much higher vinegar thanks thanks for your honesty and let's see here. Eric charismatic if scientists in particular are associated with the verification authentic authentication of the revelation P was one that was a past activity that passed away at the same time that the Jewish RN passed away this instruction of the template can number one the promises Israel remain promises to his room and your shine has not passed away dog for bid.

In fact, after God gives the new covenant in Jeremiah 31 versus 31 to 34. Keep reading verses 35 to 37. We emphatically says no matter what happens, and I do what Israel does is also the sun and moon in the sky as long as the earth is still here. My promises to Israel remain. To paraphrase was there. It's laid out incredibly clearly and Paul explicitly speaks of the future national turning of the Jewish people and says that although they may be enemies for the gospel sake now there below because the funds for the gifts and calling of God are irrevocable, is what Paul says, speaking of the promises Israel is explicit in Romans 15 that the Messiah does not cancel the promises Israel but confirms that to Jews now need Jesus. Jews are outside of the faith are lost. Like everyone else. But there will be a future national turning is the promises remains as one thing is bogus to say the Jewish RN stop with the destruction of the templates of predators review that is absolutely wrong and and I and I see it is a real assault on the integrity of God because he keeps his word. That being said, why do miracles continue right through the end of the New Testament. What is so continuing why it isn't in the book of acts is the last chapters, Paul, healing the sick. Why is that still happening and why do church leaders for centuries. Attest to the miracles of God, what is Augustine in the midst of writing his magnum opus, the city of God reverses is theology of healing and saving even believe in this, but they documented over 70 feelings. The last two years of business experience. He reevaluated the word realized he was wrong on that and what about the people never heard Jerry, the Bible, we have a holy book of Moses is that we have a holy book was only people say we have a holy book. Why that while you're leaving out one 2000 years ago was proven will show me today. My father's demon possessed. Show me today.

My child's dying of of disease.

Show me today right. That's why boys affect America's happen very often when the gospel is going in the territory into the agreement because it is God ongoing delay verifying that Jesus is risen to light a fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown on the line of fire by calling 866-34-TRUTH. Very good is Dr. Michael Brown, booked a post now. I solicited these actually a week ago. This is this correct reply to previous point that was made. This is from herbs to new Scripture says that the gifts won't pass away until we know God as he knows us right first with his 13 you think the completed Canon accomplices that that is not all gifts remain so your flat out wrong, though those points are absolutely true. Jim says this I think is dangerous to assume subjective feelings and experiences on the same level Scripture as many charismatic leaders will either flocked to believe the written word, to trump all else in teaching discipleship? Agree with you absolutely. I don't know charismatic leaders who teach that what you feel a new sense, it is what you experience is equal to Scripture, but unsure there some do they do either by neglect the way the teacher by wrong emphasis percent of the norm. We certainly understand. Look at any Pentecostal charismatic doctrinal statement study at any seminary or Bible school so they understand the word is supreme and were teaching and preaching the word day and night effect. The survey was done, a global survey a few years ago that I cited in my authentic fire book that found that Pentecostal charismatics read the word study the word regularly more than the non-Pentecostals, not charismatics also put a greater emphasis on holiness to the greater emphasis on sharing the faith is what I would expect if the Holy Spirit is really moving in these vibrant ways, but for sure, absolutely everything must be tested and sifted by the word, but said again I'm charismatic Pentecost, because the word when I tried to get away from these things in the late 70s early 80s I could because the word was to clear when I bought books against the gifts of the spirit for today when I tried to talk myself out of it stated Scripture convinced me know. These things are for today.

Jacob blog do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether from God, for many false prophets have gone to the world first on four yes and embrace interest. Yes, embrace the true prophetic spirit with pulses.

First Thessalonians 5 test everything. Hold fast to the good don't put out the spirits far notifies prophecy by let's set let's go over to Facebook now a lot of people are posting. Yes, these things are for today. Brandon said this, I believe the gifts of the Holy Spirit are available today, but will receive from churches like Bethel, others are not the gifts falling to the floor and scream you not be able to control his body is demonic. The tongues and the disorder doesn't line up with first Corinthians 14 disorder time of the magma comment on what happens or doesn't happen the death of his mother, and services are free for thousands of P tens of thousands of people and seen many fall under the power God overwhelmed by spirit is there, wish be able to control it will when Jesus appeared to John and John in Revelation 1 of the falls is facing someone dead was to have Mr. Ziegler Daniel divine appearances should they have been able to control themselves. Self-control is moral self-control went when when Moses and the children was there shaking at Mount Sinai. Should they been able to control themselves so that demonic possession is gonna make you do ugly wrong things and cannot hurt you there for someone to be trembling in the presence of God does not mean is not the presence of God result to fall to the floor because the press is God I can say how many people I pray for they fall flat on their face because there was really God the father phrase. I've seen a thousand times, thousands of times. I pray for people I didn't believe in any of this and next thing there were there were flat on their face the got up a half-hour later, shaking save on counter God. This is real, but that being said, the fact that there are abuses, you're right those burgers moving there are abuses, let's test everything by Scripture. We agree.

We agree again, I'm not at Bethel to say what happens or doesn't happen, but in many charismatic and Acosta places, things are abusive things are wrong, and in their claims that this is the spirit when it's not sure that happened was embrace the real true without reacting.

Because of that.

Justin people are leary when it comes to them because they been abused on a dramatic scale. This I believe they are for today so that's the key thing embrace the don't be leery of the spirit, embrace the spirit that I want everything you have by your spirit when you know it's real divan I talked about that a week ago on the on the air when you know it's real divan all your heart, all your soul, everything.if you know it's really God died in but let me ask a question. There are cults that based their teaching on the Bible but twisted right Joe's was even put out their own translations terrible translation, but they put out their own translation and guides for Bible understanding and Bible teachings in all this right. The Mormons want to come and teach you Scripture and then there plenty churches. What is a weird doctrines, bizarre doctrines are you cautious of the word because of of false doctrines and false teachers know you used embrace the word wholeheartedly.

Do your best to understand what it really says we embrace the spirit enthusiastically and test and discern to make sure that things really are of God, Tim the magic gifts are needed to just the miracles that God chooses, with or without requests why Tim would you call the magic. Why would you denigrate what the word of God esteems is workings of the Holy Spirit and didn't Paul say in first Corinthians 14 twice that we could earnestly pursue the gifts in this essay. At the end first convinced well that we could earnestly pursue the higher gifts of which the what emphasizes most particularly as prophecy. Didn't Jesus tell us to ask and seek. Even in terms of asking for the Holy Spirit. So why denigrate it white wine" magic why I think it will. Paul says I think I speak in tongues more than all of you this is Paul, but there's something about it. I tell you that my own life and ministry has been empowered by praying in tongues and shape by praying twice because of often commune deeply with God and on insight and in his calling clarification as a pray in the spirit and deep burdens to pray for others. Out of that, let's see. And Tim also says this those who need signs and wonders are condemned and it's easy to see why by their persistence, whose not needing signs and wonders. Tim why here.

There are hundreds of verses in the New Testament the talk about miracles, healings, deliverances from demons, gifts of the spirit operation of the spirit. James Jacob five says is any among you sick little call for the elders of the congregation of the prayer from the North unit with oil. The name of the Lord, the person face to make the sick person well if he's committed sins will be forgiven.

Therefore pray one for another. Confess your sins want another, you may be healed. It's a good important thing it's it's supposed to be something with the anointing of all a sacrament in the church. Why denigrate that and Jesus is glorified through it in many millions of people.

Jesus is healed over the centuries many people have come to faith because he healed them. Why denigrate that II believe God is the healer if I never see a person heal because it's in the word.

I believe the gifts and power of the Spirit are for today if I if I never spoke in tongues are never prophesied or never received a prophecy is as written in the word suicide are people needing it.

Let me say this effect you put yourself in a place of challenging your faith once you say these are for today. Why okay if you say God no longer feels God no longer works miracles like this, so it's a tragedy friend of yours dying of cancer to tragedy Lord Kabir will heal, but it doesn't happen okay.

No big deal right it's it's a terrible loss than agonizing loss at your friend, but no big deal in terms of hate. It's a promise to the word, we can expect didn't and so on.

But when you are praying for it, and believing for. And it doesn't happen that challenges your faith sexy much more challenging to one's faith to believe for miracles today than to not believe for them today. It's much easier almost faith directly for them today. It's is true. Think about think about but see it's it's the judgmental magic gifts.

Those who need signs and wonders are condemned.

It's it's really up a tragic twisting of of what the word says, because these are beautiful wonderful things in Scripture and impulses. I don't want you ignorant of the ESO.

I keep seeing people saying we don't believe people won't believe because of abuses and things like that. Rather than saying it's not the word. The word says there will be abuses, so deal with the have we, as charismatics adequately dealt with them. No, I said this and I can say publicly of said to Justin peters in one of his colleagues that to Jim Osman and I of this be my sense and I believe I said this directly to them only interacted that if we charismatics did a better job of correcting and discerning that they wouldn't have to do with they do know, of course, I differ with them doctrinally on some of these points, and sometimes with the, the extent to which things are rejected right but I respect the fact it is like garbage out there and is much as I differ with Justin on things. I respect the fact that he's gone after it is somebody's gotta do it right so I gotta address some of the junk out there being done in the name of spirit III do it as a field to do it. So my primary focus, but is actually something that I do and I'm addressed in writing for years and an Nvidia on teaching publicly openly for years. Yeah we we charismatics be Pentecostals have done a poor job of correcting of policing in the right sense of the word because, of which many abuses are rampant because in which people are driven away from the spirit. But Paul dealt with the abuses in Corinth and said I command you for not liking any gift. Now here's where you correction and reject the spirit.

He said hey, this is the spirit and I commend you for not like any gift, but there are some abuses now it's deal with those abuses right. Let's see abuses yet again.

Some just looking for folks normative. Most don't have an understanding of the practice of them would you most prefer the Cecilia miracles. Yeah, I mean I'm I'm finding a lot who agree and are just adding your testimony that the fight is a quick story, so when I first went on radio like truck radio 2008 I was asked to fill in one day for Stu Epperson strips and Junior was the one who asked me to come on the air photo and I was to do it and I journal bodily speaking of the spirit. I journal earlier that day that he was going to ask me to to go on the air. I really felt it was the Lord God set this up and that God was he been speaking me for years about being on my talk radio and now I just felt supposed to come to me and say you should have your real radio show. So I pray Lord that you will let it happen and then during a break on the show's doc you have your own show. You gotta be on the SOI I filled in for him. One day on his show that I say I want you to call in and explain tell me why you don't believe in healing miracles today. Instead I got flooded with phone calls of people singing right past that I said I was healed miraculously for this right back. I so love is really the Bible the F with NSP. The line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown got on the line of fire by calling 866-34-TRUTH here again is Dr. Michael Brown was a differ with me without like to call or they're not able to call them all the shows live or they just don't like the setting where I control the mic you know they're freighted that are so I respect that. I understand that so many times, unless people post what you differ with me on a given subject is people sometimes will speak more freely or feel they can articulate things better. So when you post something. Maybe that's a lie longer paragraph on and I take three or four minutes to explain why I differ with your point.

I don't make it like I one CI one because II have is my show. I can take a lot of time to track take it is me honoring what you posted and and honoring that no sometimes I disagree very strongly okay, but otherwise, upon taking time to direct his Ali say I one night I got you posted something for it. One paragraph and I'm talking for five minutes that it's not an equal battle there okay the point is if I take time to read your comment interact with it that that means I'm treating you with respect as opposed to try to prove you wrong right but it's is my show. I'm responsible to God for what I teach and speak. Therefore, I'm laying out what I believe and I said I want interact with what you say so.

Tim note Jimmy. I believe in the gifts, but offices of Prophet and apostle of C's. They were given for the foundation we built on Christ all now the Christ is here. What we need to do what needs we have for prophets and apostles care as many sweeping Christian churches with people coming to BC or profits preposterous by God, they're reviewing things about me on Scripture which are not difficult right there abuses in the name of apostles and prophets absolutely there abuses in every area of ministry there. There charlatans were evangelists there false teachers who are who are pastors there are all kinds of abuses will all the gifts but I would just encourage you Jimmy read through Ephesians 4, right up through verse 16 is read through chapter and ask was the purpose of apostles, prophets, evangelist of pastor/teachers look at that right. Ask yourself that listen Ephesians 411 and ask how we come into the fullness of the knowledge of the son of God is spoken of the, if not apostles and prophets continue as ministry functions sure that's why others are called apostles in the New Testament.

Quite a few outside of the 12.

So the 12 stem with unique authority right apostles today prophets today are not like Jeremiah, Isaiah or Matthew or John. We understand that there abuses for sure but just reconsider that right at him, I realized it was like this are often used as cheap shots, but if people of the gifts of healing that's as miraculous as will read about them. Of the apostles in the first century want these people visiting hospitals lease while on a hearing about it to him was so strong apparent. There is no dispute that it was anything other than a miracle to me. It's a cheap shot and it's totally fair.

1 Christians that believe in healing or visiting hospitals all the time all the time. Pray for the sick all the time of. That's a common thing there people who even get jobs as chaplains and hospitals so they can have access to people that are hurting and say hey, a follower of Jesus, am a Protestant chaplain or whatever and you know if it would like prayer and we believe in in in prayer for the sick.

So happens all the time they're doing.

See why are they clearing out hospitals all I don't know that that was the norm in the New Testament either. We do have some occasions where everyone is healed right and I've asked why we see more of that. Yes. So I agree, why are we seeing more as a chapter in my book. What happened to the power of God, which came out in 1991, a chapter entitled has the gift of healing hit a brick wall sure God heals further Americans want. We see more. I believe we should see more, perhaps, with the state of the church today, especially in the West a greater outpouring of miracles would bring all kinds of other abuses and pride and deception and send perhaps were not ready. I don't know. Perhaps there are other issues like of good doctrinal foundations. Many of our churches. I'm only speculating. I'm wondering, I'm asking as well. I do believe we should see more, but let's not think that everybody was always healed in the early church right there when Paul tells Timothy did to drink a little wine medicinally for stomach ailments.

First Timothy five.

Why didn't Paul just heal him if it was automatic so imply the gift of healing you would say right if if all were healed through him and the album all of Malta in an X 28 and other instances. He references healings and miracles through him signs and wonders through him.

Why did in second Timothy 41C reference leaving for FEMA sick and lead us and for those who think that Paul Stormer sickness us on my own view, but those who think that then why wasn't he healed, so I don't believe it was automatic all the time but I do agree that we should be seeing more there plenty miracles that are indisputably God understood God well documented, well documented, indisputably God, no other explanation nor the rush rush of exclamation and some miracle Jesus name, but yes, we should be seeing more. Let's see okay this is a long explanation is just about our motivation and things like that since removing differently than I was first Seder 40 years ago.

I believe they should be normative.

Okay so I the more the more I'm looking at this, the more I'm seeing a lot of this is, I agree, but there abuses Mike. I think they are. But there are so many Norse self-proclaimed prophets out there claiming that their declaring things in the name of the Lord in the same making un-biblical claims records of knowledge. Another got a list people by name some. I'm just I read all that because a minute agree with some different with others, but yet no question whatsoever. Let's see your secessionist right non-charismatic and you hear me speak over some I command healing to come in Jesus name and nothing happens, but what was I doing that's a fair question.

We break the power of Satan over this person's life and nothing changes. Did we do it or not.

Did we speak in faith or not, declare that the weather will change and covert. That doesn't happen. What read it was all thing bogus. So a lot of that stuff does bring reproach to the name of the Lord and that's why we need to be very careful before speaking for him right we and then. Even so, we asked someone to test what we say and I've I've had words for people not like I try this out.

Maybe try this out. If that's the case then you tell somebody I was praying and this thought came to mind that that you are having real problems.

Now with one your limbs and how to go to a doctor it is that accurate yeah that's incredible all okay wow you have to learn to understand the voice of Lord better, but wow but you don't go to some of the well. I the Lord told me this and know you will just do that without a proven track record and accuracy and knowing the voice of the Lord. Clearly, but I have given prophetic words to people felt the urgency of the Lord to do it and spoken to them, and then said is that relevant to you.

The breakdown we realize the situation is that in general I remember ministry one time and I saw I saw a woman being beaten, I saw the angry man on top and he was smashed as her terror in her eyes and a guy wanted to minister to her. It was a large group of people got want to minister to her and and I describe the things woman comes up and her husband was a Muslim was violent within the mother-in-law was there there crying was a beautiful thing to get to minister to them. You know, and that was the confirmation when when they came, but a lot of separatist speaking in the air, speaking in the air. There is no divine authority behind us and I understand that we try right, you know, we believe God is moving so we try certain things, but there we had to better job because the budget I understand secessionist watching that or someone who's just not sure the what is this this bogus just words. So let let us be more careful of what we say it without clenching the spirit that given way to spirit of fear without despising prophecy see my brother and his assemblies.

Hebrews 112 is the reason this don't exist anymore and never heard anyone teach why this wouldn't be true. I believe in the gas but would love to hear an argument why this isn't a reason the gifts aren't for today right so I interact with this little bit earlier in the show but in the closing minutes here closing minutes here. Hebrews 1 says this long ago it many times in many ways, God spoke to our fathers by the prophets, but these last days he spoken to us by his son reported the heir of all things, through whom also he created the worlds of Sony for profit. See it prophets in prophecy anymore because the Psalms, he was as written in the midst of all Kaiser prophecy taking place in the New Testament church right it didn't Paul speak about prophecy and encourage people to prophesy this the same time that Hebrews is being written that this prophecy all over.

The early church, and according to ask the second chapter with the Holy Spirit sprout is for the last days and your sons and daughters will prophesy, so the last days outpouring which is from now from when Jesus died and rose from the dead until he returns. So it's for now includes prophecy. The point here is that the prophetic words that came were now pointing to the sun, and now it's the sums me so it's the summer speaking through the prophets as the sun was the son who says whoever believes in me, the work so I do will he do also, because I go to the father. It's the son who says ask and I'll and I'll I'll do it if you abide in me and my words abide in you asked which will be done. One of the things that we get abiding in the words asked for healing.

So it is all about the sun that's the point. The profits up 20 to the sun. Now he's come so by his spirit is working miracles by his spirit is biased. All these things and it's all about his are all sensationalist charismatic McCune.

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