The Error of Dual Covenant Theology

The following program is recorded content created by the Truth Network. So what is dual covenant theology and why is it so misleading and even dangerous for the light a fire with your host scholar and cultural commentator Dr. Michael Brown your voice for more Centerview and spiritual clarity reports route to get on the line of fire and now there's your host Dr. Michael Brown Brown delighted to be with you. Here's number to call for all of your Jewish related questions, 866-348-7884 can be about Israel today. It can be about messianic prophecy about Jewish background to the New Testament, Hebrew language, Jewish religion, tradition, Messiah ship of Jesus. Yeshua give me a call 86 634-8784 and is always to my Jewish listeners who do not agree with me theologically, who do not worship God in the same way that I do. Do not relate to the Torah in the same way that I do not believe in Jesus the same way that I do. You are welcome to call and share your differences and we can have some friendly discussion later in the show will take you through an article on all Israel news that is raising further concerns about Christian nationalism. I just want to see the way this is playing out Christian nationalism in the bad sense of the term, but you hear more and more about it as the secular media is going to put the worst spin on these things, so we need to be alert aware also understanding how these things are playing out in the Jewish world very very important to understand that you focus first on the important teaching of talked about before the year but I want to get into that a little further today before I do I guest on the show yesterday so I didn't talk about this, but yesterday marks eight years of healthy eating, by the grace of God so got rid of all the bad stuff know she knows sugar unhealthy suites of fried stuff of pizza, pasta, cheeses, all the breads, so no dairy, no flowers, no sugar, salt, things use minimal soft and in foods that I do eat have a little grilled meat and grilled chicken on average every week or two of but massive amount of of plant-based organic nutrition and if if you just want to get it update on how wonderful I feel. By the grace of God by the grace of God go to my latest article on short-term gratification versus long-term satisfaction short-term gratification versus long-term satisfaction by all means, check it out on the website Esther to Brown.org SK DR Brown.org you be blessed to be encouraged, but just in terms of healthy eating and living but making quality decisions today that will bless you long-term. You can do things now that will bring temporary gratification satisfaction for the moment feeling of relief or release or good did it but long term, you'll regret there are things you can do today we say no to the flesh note to the moment no to depression or to the temptation of long-term. You are so glad that she did so check out the article I believe will bless you and encourage you people say will Mike you're very discipline. I could never live the way you live your super discipline person or by God's grace.

In many ways, and discipline, and I have been consistent in every discipline way of for years by God's grace. But if I was so discipline wanted to take me 59 years to get things are 59 years, all right. And that was always try to be disciplined in certain areas that was always coming back here, come back here say no hearsay know the always try but Odyssey fighting a losing battle for 59 years you would you be a chocoholic for most of your life. If you're so discipline so yes I been very discipline in other areas of my life and I'm thankful to God for that. In these last eight years.

Been super discipline and I'm super thankful for that.

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I know me to accept these goggles better if God could help me live like this you could help anyone with like this. It's his grace is his grace not enough. How about that question is his grace, not enough okay dual covenant theology. What is it dual covenant theology and I will put some notes up for those watching, but everybody else to hear me loud and clear dual covenant theology is the teaching that Jews do not need Jesus in order to be saved since they already have a covenant with God through Abraham under Moses and if they're faithful to the covenant, they can live and die right relationship with God that there are variations of dual covenant theology today which you state that there is no need to evangelize the Jewish people since it will be saving usually returns, or that state. The Jewish people can't be held responsible for rejecting him when he came to covenant theology today is common in liberal Christian circles and little by little, little by little, and Christian Zionist circles. So the question is why do people hold dual covenant theology. There are several possible motivations behind dual covenant theology, all of which come down to a love for the Jewish people. That is not scripturally accurate. So is based on love space a love for the Jewish people, and even the stain for the Jewish people, but that's not scripturally accurate for the most part it's only Gentile Christians as opposed to messianic Jews who hold to do covenant theology so some believers have a hard time with the concept of anyone being lost. In particular, a religious Jew and then by extension, any Jew, I mean after all of the Jews chosen people. Some believers are so grieved by the history of Christian anti-Semitism that they feel embarrassed even to share the gospel with Jewish people. They've they've over repented. Since the Holocaust and alive European Christianity's ugly history of anti-Semitism which prepared the ground for the Holocaust skews me a new era of sensitivity has arisen which is considered almost immoral to tell Jewish people that they need Jesus to be safe and then some believers are moved by the beauty of Judaism and the power Jewish tradition at and believe that Jews have evaluated God outside of Jesus was for the Gentiles, that the Jews and served dual covenant theology can be an extreme reaction to the error of replacement theology supersession dismisses the church is replaced Israel so this quote provides a good illustration. This is a statement by Christian scholars group on Christian Jewish relations cited in the book is by John Merkel faith transformed Christian encounters with Jews and Judaism. Here's a statement God's covenant with the Jewish people endures forever. For centuries, Christian claim Christians claim that their covenant with God replaced or superseded the Jewish covenant we renounce this claim. We believe that God does not revoke divine promises. We affirm that God is in covenant with both Jews and Christians.

Tragically, the entrenched theology of supersession is him continues to influence Christian faith, worship and practice, even though it is been repudiated by many Christian denominations and many Christians though are accepted our recognition of the abiding validity of Judaism has implications for all aspects of Christians life Christian life and there is in addition to this, for some. For some it's a subtle and often unconscious reason for holding to do.

Covenant theology. It avoids defense across Paul writes about the in a different context. Galatians 511 Galatians 612 so out of it unpacked. He seems little bit more but we keep going first one the dangers dual covenant theology, what, what's so wrong about what we just read again we need to understand this. This theology has arisen out of love for Jewish people of esteem for Jewish people and the grief over Christian anti-Semitism and Christian triumphalism in the past, especially in the aftermath of the horrors of the Holocaust, which even though Nazism was anti-Christian. The Holocaust could not of taken place without many centuries of Christian anti-Semitism in Europe right so that provided the ground on which the Holocaust could grow ideologically and then in its evil actions so people grieved over that people saw Jewish spirituality during the Holocaust. Delegates is a totally fair question to ask. Oh so you're telling me that the Jews who worship God recited the Shema and secretly found ways to observe the Passover and the horrors of the Holocaust that they go to hell because they didn't believe in your Jesus the Jesus that they knew was the Jesus that the Nazis professed.

There are many of the Nazis professed to be Christians. They put a throne edition of the New Testament taking away Jewish aspects of it which meant taking wiki passages like salvation is of the Jews and John chapter 4 verse 22. There was an Ari in Jesus that they created no longer Jewish Jesus, but are you in Jesus, so these are totally fair questions to ask right if you don't ass them. I think you being very narrow.

If you don't ass them.

I think your you're being insensitive and you may be loving God with your mind but not with your mind and your heart very serious.

These questions and what about the enduring covenant. The covenant does endure the Jewish people remain chosen.

The Jewish people still have covenantal promises and those covenantal promises will result in national salvation at the end of the age.

I truly believe that the question is because the Jewish people still chosen. Therefore, there is still a responsibility to the God of Israel. How does a Jewish person coming to right relationship with the God of Israel, can it be done through the sky. Covenant has the Sinai covenant failed because of Jewish disobedience. God instituted a new and better covenant through the Messiah and if we reject the Messiah that we reject God's grace those of the deeper questions that we need to ask. So again II understand what is behind dual covenant theology and I appreciate the sentiment, I appreciate the repudiation of replacement theology supersession is him. I appreciate the recognition of the horrors of Christian anti-Semitism in church history where they exist, appreciate the recognition of those I appreciate the desire to affirm the eternal covenants that God made with Israel.

I appreciate the recognition that there can be a Jewish spirituality that in many ways is rich and beautiful. I grieve over the fact that the heart and soul of God's plan for the Jewish people culminates in Jesus the Messiah and we reject him. We reject God's mercy because it is because Paul talked about the Civil War was the dangers for Muslim line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown got on the line of fire by calling 866-34-TRUTH here again is Dr. Michael Brown thanks for joining us one for you.

Good to really question the road with the reseller answers, 866-348-7884 phones in a little while but back to dual covenant theology. Let me go through the dangers of dual covenant theology give those watching will put some notes up for you. The primary dangers of dual covenant theology are that one Jews will be given a false assurance of salvation to Christians will not share their faith with use of sickness among many who identify as Christian scientists, three Jewish believers of Jewish addition will be ostracized by the church and criticized for being proselytizers targeting views before the turn of the sure will potentially be delayed because Israel will not be called to repent and to welcome back the Messiah so one of the alleged biblical foundations for dual covenant theology. First, the immutable nature of the Abraham Aiken Mosaic covenants second the future promise that all Israel will be saved from some 26 third statements like if the root is holy, so also are the branches. Romans 1116 so one of the answers to dual covenant theology one. If you she was not the Messiah of Israel, his Messiah, no. If he did not come first and foremost for his own people in income for anybody after reject the entire witness of the New Testament that second the Gospels, to the Jew first, but that change. Romans 116 singing of dual covenant theology only for throughout the New Testament. Third, we can be saved by the works of the law is no atonement for the Jewish people outside. Be sure his blood. Fourth, the reality of divine judgment on the Jewish people in the first century because the rejection of Yeshua tells us that this is a grievous thing in God's sight was great consequences. Fifth, the consistent testimony of the book of acts calls for Jewish repentance and speaks of Jewish guilds of the Jewish leaders rejected Yeshua have put the nation in a bad situation which case there needs to be Jewish repentance and acknowledging him as the Messiah's sixth Paul's broken heart, because that the lost status people. Romans nine indicates the Jewish people outside of Yeshua are lost in seven. The testimony of Jewish believers today like me, Jesus saved us Jesus saved us he is the one that transformed us. Why because he's the Messiah of Israel and the Savior of the world right hopefully that is helpful. If you have questions. The more clarification we can glibly get into things in greater depth, but we will go to the phones but start in night. Phil North Carolina Natalie you are on the line of fire. Yes, I can no I mean where I heard you on owning sacrifice and never will back and I'll her people in the how it how it at you baserunning is so so all of our listeners understand. If we say that Jesus died once and for all. For the sins of the world and thereby fulfilled the meaning and purpose of the sacrificial system, then why in the millennial Temple after Jesus returns. Where will there be sin offerings offered up for the Prince. The leader of the people and for the nation of Israel as a whole.

So there are there are several potential answers as a potential because all of them have truth of the first answer is that this is nothing to do with forgiveness of sins, but rather cleansing of the sin offering had various functions, but that this is simply an offering for ritual cleansing for various forms of impurity to be removed and that that's all that it stands for the gentleman that I know who I would say is the foremost Christian authority on the Old Testament sacrificial system and on the. The book of Leviticus today. He believes that's the case that there will be millennial Temple. There will be sacrifices, but these are the same as Old Testament sacrifices that were not for atonement and forgiveness is not every sacrifices for atonement or forgiveness. And that is simply has ritual purification purposes. That's the first thing in Hebrews 9 even talks about those things that that would sanctify the flesh that would purify the flesh that you were now in a situation to worship God because you'd remove certain impurities.

That's one very viable option. The second is similar, which is that throughout history, God only for Dave sin based on the size blood that that the sacrifices were were types and symbols that pointed forward to his blood, but that God will not forgive human sin based on animal sacrifice, but on the Messiah sacrifice, God in the flesh, dying on our behalf, so these future sacrifices would look back to the cross. Just as earlier sacrifices, but to head to the cross.

That's another totally valid interpretation. The last point is this that Ezekiel 40 through 48 presents difficulties for every body in context.

That was the temple. The Jewish people were supposed to rebuild coming back from Babylon with the glory of God upon them got even talks to Ezekiel about his role in it and you will do this you will do that or even Jewish interpreters Natalie that say this is a proof of the resurrection of the dead, because it speaks of Ezekiel's activity in his temple and its future temple, but in context.

Ezekiel showed it to the people in Excel so they would be ashamed and realize how God wanted to restore them to the land based on the repentance. The other thing is that the dimensions laid out here. Do not match the dimensions of the tabernacle/temple in the Old Testament and this rabbinic tradition that one rabbi stayed up night after night after night after night after night just going through lots of oil. Keep the lamps burning, and he figured out a way to reconcile all the figures, but his research has been lost.

Bottom line is there is no living human being who has reconciled the dimensions of this temple with the dimensions of the biblical tabernacle/temple wasn't an issue because for a traditional Jew.

The Torah is the eternal blueprint them that the messianic temple will will be a glorious replica of the earlier template will delete this the messianic, but it will be the same dimensions in the same functions and things like that so how do they reconcile it. It's a? So it tells me that we have to be very careful in looking ahead to future profits. Sometimes these are templates that unfold in different ways. Many Christians believe this is all a spiritual picture of worship and intimacy with God and that there will be a physical little temple that these are all spiritual images presented in priestly language and it's it it's a future event. So there can be debate about but for those of us that do believe that there will be a physical temple built in the millennial kingdom and the Messiah will rule and reign over the earth from Jerusalem either the first two interpretations were possibilities are completely valid either.

The sacrifices are not related to forgiveness of sins they have to do with other aspects of purification and cleansing or they point back to the Messiah's death, just as the earlier sacrifices pointed forward to his death. Either of those. Certainly a viable option for traditional Jew really presses a will cable before we talk about that list so that the dimensions I do reconcile that they do they change within the Torah that Ezekiel have the authority to do that and then you have to say what we have some questions.

We also questions its future stuff.

We all have some questions that so I deal with it okay thank you for sure thing one less thing Natalie in volume 2 of answering Jewish objections to Jesus.

I take this issue up as well and if you want a short answer go to real Messiah.com real Messiah.com and look through the objections and you see this listed among theological objections. I thank you so much for the call and the question 866-348-7884. Can you believe that we are ready in August 2022. It seems to me that the time even one faster during the covert gears and now where we are now before you know it is can be May 2023 and some of you that I'm talking to right now where you will be doubling in Israel together and working to be its of the most amazing sites and locations you've ever seen and one of the early days we make our way up to Mount Carmel and and look out at Armageddon and I get to do a teaching is the place were logical on fire from heaven is even the statute, remembering him and and I think it's inscribed in an English Hebrew.

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Welcome to the line of fire. Dr. Rosario really well.

Thank you all a question of accident 13. Throughout like I waited a little better or more one of the other great father greatly all the earth.

For whoever the first to open the will among the people of Israel. Both man and of the line you sold out out okay. Originally when I first read it I would think that obviously talking about any doctor fight because if I'm not mistaken like you and Dr. Biden deductible to God. Yes, absolutely detestable to God 100% so he is saying they belong to me right firstborn male. Every human being firstborn male animal go cheap, etc. sacrifice the Lord.

So what about the people so the Levites took the place of the people, and in the people would then pay a certain amount. Here's the firstborn male. It was their contribution to support the Levites because the tribe of Levi took the place and how did they take the place were being sacrificed know by being involved in God's service.

So God judged the firstborn of Egypt because of their sin. God said that Israel was his firstborn son, and therefore God demanded the firstborn to be consecrated to him, but with human beings. It was not to be sacrificed.

It was to be in his service since the Levites were the ones who were trained and equipped to be in his service and separated for that purpose. They then took the place of the individual's rep, but when you have your firstborn son.

You would then make a certain donation and that donation then went to the support of the Levites who took the place of the firstborn males all got you. You are very very welcome. Thanks for asking. 8663 freight 7884.

Let's go to Jeremiah in Seattle. Welcome to the line of fire. You are wondering about the Jewish viewpoint theology on probation without obviously fire air without the temple currently being built how they put you forgiveness. Yes. So first is that your average Jewish person is not thinking about salvation the way a Christian is. In other words there thinking more determinedly just you write some is practicing their faith. First there thinking more in a corporate way about the nation of Israel and then second, there thinking about honoring God pleasing God, and if they do wrong receiving forgiveness but not so much forgiveness for the afterlife, but forgiveness me right relationship with God now, so there's less emphasis on the afterlife and wall while we're here, the traditional Jew would believe that the number one thing God requires from them is repentance that if they sin against God and repent and ask for forgiveness is merciful and compassionate to forgive BC a but there's no blood atonement so just with output emphasis on blood atonement the same way Christians would they say it was important but the bigger issue was was repentance. Now that we don't have a temple they would say that God accepts prayer so prayer is is one of the things that we have instead of blood sacrifice in Jewish tradition. Acts of charity, even suffering that we passed through in this world can go towards our forgiveness and that every year on the day of atonement corporately and individually we ask God for forgiveness.

Believing in the power of repentance and prayer, and then in the afterlife.

It is believed that there is some type of purging it's it's not exactly the same as Catholic purgatory and there is a time limit on it.

Basically 11 months but that even a godly person unless they are in the highest echelon of spirituality and righteousness that they will not go straight to heaven, but they will pass through a time of purification and purging for sin, at which point they will be refined and ready to enter into God's heavenly presence. So that's how work out for traditional Jew, but again the concept would be more on day-to-day obedience honoring God living a life that's pleasing to buyer by obeying his commandments in light of the traditions being part of the in the corporate well-being of Israel and then asking for forgiveness, which is done every day. Traditional views asking for forgiveness and their standard prayers through the day and that would be the biggest thing.

Repentance is the foundation of it and the idea of unsaved meaning my sins of been forgiven in a permanent way and now it's just an ongoing way, a fellow shipping with God if sin comes up its remove.

That is not a Jewish concept. Traditional Jewish concept of the only clue the only thing near it would be if someone was living a secular life right worldly life as a Jew and then the they became a ball to vote, which is some of the turns back to tradition, the Jewish tradition says it's like they were they were they were born anew like children but otherwise there's not this idea. I got saved last night Grace got up and say for 10 weeks. That would be like there's more. The Christian concept in the Jewish concept and think of. I get comfortable about where you I do believe salvation by you also agree with you that where you are forgiven and make it right with… Relationship built because I do that in the Old Testament where it would do different washing be right with God, not for salvation but three bear with God not enough really. Maybe Christian thought of the five enough that of the goal not to get to having the goal God is on earth order. This was deathly both, and in other words, repentance is essential. Jesus is essential and and we can because were all fallen, will be coming to that right relationship with God and enter into new covenant life. It is that born a newborn again. I've been saved experience, but now we walk with God on a daily basis. Fellowship with him on a daily basis.

We fall short received cleansing afresh. So it's not the cleansing of salvation. It's the cleansing of getting her feet, dirty walking in this world. I thank you for the question. Much appreciated you and remember friends you'll find a lot of answers, especially things relating to Jesus being the Messiah and theological differences on the real Maasai website. Real Maasai.com share with future trends and on a regular basis.

We get folks asking us questions about Rabbi Toby Singer if he basically putting aflutter videos every one of which attacks the New Testament attacks Jesus attacks messianic for a prophetic understanding of Jesus attacks Christian understanding of Scripture and and I know at this because in my video feeds on YouTube because of engaged in a different time. So I guess that they come up there within videos refuting him that it's seasonal second a daily basis. There's no one there's another when there's another one. We are just setting aside of the next few of his videos that we want to refute.

And again, each one has stuff that you to see you think.

What in the home while, how could you be what I mean so easy to demolish and he said he is a man said these things for years is a lot of information in his head, but the so grossly represented notices that that the lesser prehuman cannibalism and that that's what Christians are practicing human cannibalism. How could you possibly say those words, if you're even trying to rightly understand the text which is explicitly symbolic when Jesus said at the Last Supper.

This is my body, this is my blood.

What did they eat to the slice off a piece of/know that they ate the bread the unleavened bread. They drank the wine, which symbolized his body within actually eat his flesh and drink his blood, he was talking metaphorically, plainly, plainly and and yet human cannibalism sought what grieves me is that you have Christians get confused as rabbis speaking very forcefully that they want to honor God and love God's we hear from all time but we got our first count how many videos is it really just check to be put out 11 so far, or 12 and we've got a really good development going on, thanks to funding and help this could help us get the these out and in Israel with with Hebrew captions. Let's just see here okay. Find answers obscure look to see equal weights okay wife used to scroll down enough to go anywhere.

Okay, this is the answer in the Rabbi series goodwill Messiah.com. If you been confused by some of the stuff and it's so easy to rebut and we we try to put out videos and really quality way with excerpts from his and then here are the sources probably be here.

Look look look and you say, but what is the Bible so you give sources with the Rabbi said I give sources with the Rabbi say when we Toby Singer rejects a Christian interpretation around us is that exact same thing. You make it like Paul made up her some Christian made up here in Shiraz was an exact same thing, but let's just see how many two 468-1012 yeah, we've got 12 videos we put out detail reputations demolishing his errors, demolishing them see Dr. Brown wanted to drift a debate in a heartbeat. He's refused to debate me for decades going back since there are less debate the early 90s were returned 30 years now refusing to debate and just so you know this, you know, I'm bringing this up because people ask a lot and because he is the only rabbi that I know who is giving himself to attacking Christianity day and night as his is a sacred mission. And of course we pray for his repentance and for mercy and in his life, but I've had it happen where his people contacted someone college campus Christian campus on the said we'd like to have a debate with Rabbi Singer Prof. someone that you get in a sedate were happy to host it and and will look into getting someone and they contacted me and said will you debates. Of course, is a but he will debate me the cause of the note will have the event they walk away.

What is happened quite a few times over the years and then will often pick a Christian is a redundant debate on the subject. Think why why what are you running from the truth come to light the Fresno real Maasai.com with his first 12 videos out and trust me, they demolish the false narratives is pretty full and there thoroughly based on Scripture to check these out will aside, I found this slide down scroll down to answering the Rabbi's will be right back with some important news in this more calls to light a fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown got on the line of fire by calling 866-34-TRUTH here again is Dr. Michael Brown 248-7884. Those you just heard the ad for Dr. stingless products. The vitamin mission.com. This is part of my daily regimen, taking some of his healthy supplements to add to my healthy lifestyle and Dr. stingless of his family will be with us gobbling in Israel next year even plan to do and asked the doctors night with Dr. and Mrs. Dr. Stegner yeah it's given me great health questions, nutrition questions, all kinds of things the review that that's normal bonus things added in to this year's trip next year's trip so there's an article on all Israel.com. Check it out all Israel.com Christian nationalist rhetoric in 1930s Germany Christian nationalist rhetoric in 1930s Germany. The subtitle Christian assembly to sound the alarm of a political movement charged with anti-Semitism, here's a tweet from gab.com it was Nicole Jan Sissy and interacted with a call after escrow to pronounce her last name of poster August 24 with this tweet from gab.com. This is meant to be a conservative answer to twitter were building a parallel Christian society because we are fed up and done with the Judeo Bolshevik one. In other words, the problem in America today is a Jewish problem that Jews are espousing subtypes of communism, Marxism, and controlling the country and bring it in the wrong direction. We need a Christian alternative. This is the stuff that gets really really dangerous.

This is stuff that appeals to right-wing militaristic Christians and that Eddins with blood being shed is happened before. This is not our first time at this dance terribly dangerous, terribly responsible, that's what we called it out written about it and will do so more in the future against Andrew Torbert if this gets to you and you feel you're being misrepresented or feel that you have a case to make that you can back you welcome on the air with me ever cordial honest discussion and I do this as a follower of Jesus. He is central in my life.

He is all in all, to me, and I preach Jesus to my Jewish people as well as to the Gentile world and as someone deeply grieved over where the left is taking America and recognizing that many Jews are part of the radical left recognize all of them categorically reject these types of messages that are being put forth and help you to talk to off the year behind the scenes in confidence when neither of us report on the conversationalist. We agree off of got this improve your but I will sound the alarm.

I will send you lots of friends. Check the article out all Israel.com and you see a whole bunch good. Some portal on their some others are as well that you find some striking and concerning parallels all right. Let's go to John in St. Mary Georgia. Welcome to the line of fire or Dr. Brown thank you for taking my call. After gripped with request appointment with the Lord. I found one thing now that we disagree on. I believe that it is my body, my blood, it really is embodiment… Not my call today though from auditorium looking to a new timeout. Daniel 813 and 14. The 2300 days I was in Luke 2124 talking about me ~I am the Gentiles of the proposal across from the back. There was addicted to the root of it all.

December 6 to dictate… The 2300 days with an odd number on but if you go back to December 6, 2017 when Pres. Tromp signed a document making Jerusalem the capital of Israel. If I were to move our embassy there. You add 2300 days of that you come up to her room 324 2024 and and no thought I was up early Monday as of the Bible. Conflict alerted me and I was up on three 2220 through and I find this combination from December 6, 2017, the day the Pres. Tromp find that at about 2300 days and it comes up to 2324 24 and and no more. Dr. Kenneth Penn and many showed me. I single one is pulled up further with the Passover in 2024 that out in April but poem is the same day you have 20 2300 days to a December 6, 2017 and you get 324 24 seems like more than a coincidence. To me, and none of the follow-on once you get in Daniel eight and I probably will make a lot of friends here when you look at verses 23 through 25. It seemed like present comfort certainly fit into that that guy with who is very shrewd and so does your opinion out of the new card like this about this 2300 days from that number six right so so first I absolutely appreciate the fact that you dig into the word NSU K is written. There was me first all just a backup. Let's say you're Catholic with the body and blood of Jesus. You are not practicing human cannibalism in your mind. No, I'm okay some sort. This will clarify that we agree.

We categorically reject human cannibalism, so I knew as I was saying that that my Catholic listeners with pure certain thing but we all repudiate the mechanicals. Okay, so back to the point. The reason I I don't go along with this line of thought was very interesting to see the way plays out his number one it's talking at a time with it.

The temple functioning and saw an offering is being forsaken because of of what's going on at situation were not in now that's first thing second. Most scholars understand 2300 to be speaking of total days and nights. In other words, 1150 actual days, which is little over three years and in the initial interpretation. They look at this as something that happened during the days of of Antioquia's epiphanies in the one sale, lease, BC and basically from the time that he desecrated the altar to the time that that the Maccabees restored it is a little is roughly 3 year period.

So this is applying to that and then my argument would be, so there can be an end time application of something with the antichrist in the future with the temple standing that can be when the covenants broken with Israel or the feeling in Israel recognizes is a false Messiah. Whatever. So that's the John. That's how I would understand it, so it is very interesting that these things have the 2300 day, a distance based on her, haven't looked at myself but I just don't see the larger passage talking about this and it's it seems to be very specific to 2300 evenings and mornings some unusual way of describing things is when most take it to me. 1150 total days, which is little over three years. Anyway depressing with it that's that's my input on it and I appreciate the call my brother, God bless you and let us go to Julie in Fort Lauderdale, Florida. Time is short so dive right in. Please start, and allow your program not evident by wiping the rabbi mentioned you twisting the truth by you know coming sort of the truth which is worse than a blatant lie.

However, concerning the resurrection. Now we have something nominal that we can also bring up and now the evidence is no mind allowing the shrouded Sharon virtual throat of the resurrection of Christ, distance to Judy we had some some scholars on talk about the shroud of Turin. There is a woman journalist conservative journalist who is a messianic Jewish Catholic and she is absolutely a proponent of the validity of the shroud of Turin and so we had some guests on to talk about it and we raise some of the common questions that come up. The only people that I know that studied it intensively. That really looked at it that really ask difficult questions and gave some time to it. Believe it's real. Of course there are many who rejected and skeptical and they're all kinds of counter arguments that can be raised effect. Some people upset with me that I can bring the counterarguments of strong enough when I had guests on but I was seeking to have a balanced discussion raise issues leading to review the issues etc. because I've never investigated it, and at that I missed missed the window to go see the replica is in the Museum of the Bible. I was thought, I want to do it then.

Time flies by exhibits vilified to get there but but anyway I got studied.

I have not stated in any depth. I cannot make an academic comment of any value to the things I can speak to with some degree of authority because of of study looking at it, knowing things this not one of them, but I encourage everyone to look into it there so much about it that is absently fascinating that I encourage you to look into it. Does this give us physical proof of it is not a superficial noted, no thesis, no way to explain it except it was him doesn't present that absolutely was to Never go to website friends, real Messiah.com. Send your friends.

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