Why Is the Protestant Bible Shorter than the Catholic Bible?

The following program is recorded content created by the Truth Network. So why is that the Catholic Bible has some books that the Protestant Bible doesn't have is one missing something ensued have something extra for the line of fire with your host activist all the international speaker and theologian Dr. Michael Brown your voice of moral cultural and spiritual revolution Michael Brown is the director of the coalition of conscience and president of fire school of ministry get into the line of fire valves like always 866-34-TRUTH 866-34-TRUTH your Jim is Dr. Michael Brown have a fascinating conversation today. I think you can find educational eye opening and helpful. Hopefully give you an even greater appreciation for the Scriptures for the word of God, that the Lord has preserved for us this is Michael Brown. She got questions for me for my guess them about introducers the recall 866-34-TRUTH 866-34-TRUTH 7884 if you come from a Catholic background or another Christian background church background that has what we call the apocryphal books within your Bible and you differ with some was being presented. Feel free to fiscal 866-34-TRUTH so a few weeks back I participated in an online debate against the Catholic apologist on the subject is purgatory biblical when I was asked if we should debate this purgatory biblical and ancient. I should note my concern is not with what different church father said that what Scripture says so. We agreed on the parameters of the debate. Once the debate started with the Catholic apologist going first. When a maverick was completely shocked when he began to talk about church fathers and their interpretation which in his mind was fine because he was and this is what they said about the Bible but then some of his earliest evidence was to go to two when the books of the Maccabees and civil. This points to purgatory because they're praying further, those who have departed in there and punishment place praying for the release and etc. acid. We agreed on Bible. Any symbol of this part of the Bible.

So that's why I understood that things were not clearly communicated to both sides in the same way. There was a misunderstanding everyone involved thought they were doing the right thing. There was a misunderstanding and I civil will focus on Scripture.

That's what I greet you. If you're good with that. Let's keep going. Partly suited to baseball shall be debate with the first and second Maccabees should be part of the canon or not I said another time.

Not here. I'm perfectly ready to but not now. Afterwards, author Steve Christie reached out to us his relevant book why Protestant Bibles are smaller. The defense of the Protestant Old Testament canon.

So I looked at this book, we began to interact, that's all. Let's have this discussion on the air. So again, Steve, Christie is relevant book's in terms of this subject.

Why Protestant Bibles are smaller. A defense of the Protestant Old Testament canon Steve, welcome to the line of fire. Thanks for joining us today. Dr. Brown thank you for having me on a beautiful day. How are you doing very well. Thanks so much. So Steve, what got you interested in this subject in the first place. While I was raised in a very loving Catholic family and a great upbringing, Bradley McAfee grateful.

I will in college and after I heard the gospel at the end of my Celtic dictation accurately by grateful people owned by Christ alone is bounded. Scripture one of the first thing that I was interested in was applicable and I found out that affect Bible and Protestant Bible have the exact name book and it and I wanted to research more and only 50% of my resources that might okay we can, Explore the and I began writing the book in your yard today. So Steve, if someone's listening and they would say look this is been settled by the church, the senior Catholic. This is been settled by great scholars learned men. This is been settled by great theologians. Why should we even open the question, why don't we just accept the fact that the Bible is as we have in the Catholic Bible. Isn't that the way it's always been through church history, would you say in response to that.

Why, what little rocker. One even officially defined the Council of Trent 1540 in River on the product reformation with your former question block is not the fate of rocketry And break the book but beginning to go back to the fourth century alkyl of Rome, Italy and Carthage because not only did they not have the identical Canon that had 1546. They didn't agree with each other what the deal affected all the Romans chapter 3 verse two that got you with the oracles of God, meaning the Old Testament after and Berkeley. The Jews never the book specifically at Scripture and isolate. Let's break down a few things here when you use the word canon. If you explain this to someone not familiar with the term. What is the canon of Scripture sure that the opal that are recognized as being buyer or God re-there were a lot of other books that were written prior to the New Testament era, but they were not considered to be inspired of God re-like the book of the Hebrew Bible All and then when we speak of the Apocrypha. What what is what is that mean you brought on the thing all the book, and indeed are clever and expert look better in capital have been that are not product the Old Testament but Derek and wisdom person second Maccabees room, and others.

In addition to the book of Daniel, and after and while you are great, later by Catholic and Orthodox. They were not embraced by product and because again these are books that the Jews of antiquity did not consider to be part of their Old Testament right so in other words, the first followers of Jesus themselves. Choose embraced a certain set of books at that point that they understood to be Scripture.

That's why the New Testament writers could speak about the Scriptures.

That's why they can say the Scriptures cannot be broken or as it is written so they can quote poets. They can even quote something like the book of Enoch within "those things as Scripture.

So the question would be, again, because Catholics and Protestants agree that the so-called deuterocanonical books or the apocryphal books. The seven books in question were part of the Old Testament. Nothing New Testament so that's agreed on so then the question would be, were these received as Scripture by the early Jewish community, after which the apostles would just follow in that suit and that's part of a come up briefly in the debate with William Al Brecht when he suggests these books. Rose received by the Jewish community and I said of course. Quite the contrary is true.

So the first argument we come up is HIGH on when the Alexandrian Jewish scholars in the third and second centuries BC translated the Hebrew Bible into Greek. They also included these books that we refer to as the Apocrypha today into that that was their Old Testament.

That's what it was all done together. Of course they always receive visa Scripture response to that thing is that John Mark Nonie Baker and John EWTN stated that the Greek translation of the Old Testament of the completed around 130 4B. The began around 250 feet, the Pentateuch or the Torah complete around 134 is significant because the vast majority of the deuterocanonical or apocryphal were written much later.

In fact, the only fragment of the Septuagint that we have between affect and repeat the first century A.D. article from the Hebrew Bible. Deuteronomy Joe Boehm and a few other things. Take a look at the early church father left are identical or nearly identical to product than old men on the note they have a list of the all the Old Testament canon and if because these were early church father who were more familiar with what would be included in the Hebrew Bible. Early church fathers like Toledo and Oregon later Athanasian and other and the thing that I have a downright poor we got on here that the Jews were entrusted with the Old Testament Scriptures like the alcohol that empty included the apocryphal or the so-called funeral and it would've been part of their total and first year but it wasn't directly that the Jews of antiquity, even before the time I did not expect the book in their and otherwise they would mingle together in their trouble, and also if you think free sample of Josephus's leading Jewish historian of the first century. He mentions the same books that we have today. In the Old Testament there there put in a different order in the 12 minor prophets are considered as one book so that the number is different, but it's the same 39 books, and then in rabbinic literature when Scriptures being quoted. It's not the Apocrypha, just like in the New Testament, but it's only what we would consider the Hebrew Bible, so when the claim is made by Catholic apologists. The Jews of antiquity did accepts a first and second Maccabees as Scripture's. Let's put aside the Septuagint is even even so, the Septuagint, if it's a translation from from Hebrew to Greek.

Aside from Ecclesiasticus Ben cera which is a translated work. The others would likely been originally written in Greek, so that that would cancel it out anyway.

But what argument would Catholic apologists raised to say the Jews of antiquity did receive these books of Scripture. What's the strongest argument that antiquity didn't have the claim and therefore the boom that they might integrate that art and product meant to bring up the electric I gave her defendant, but it was the conflict in Alexandria, not real and it would only limit one book.

The book of Bob Rukh. I believe in the precondition for the annual locally with only a single book and it doesn't really mean that all youth everywhere book bird family can find even in the church a greater reformation Catholic even later version of the Septuagint acting book that are not applicable today and even rejecting some or all of the apocryphal book. The other thing is either specifically affirmed the Old Testament book focuses on the canon of the fair and the Canada therapy that we know or limit the book better on the day. Now in my book. I responded taken from Catholic answer to 13 your felted that the fantasy only break Bible mode based on all the function of origin and later at the Fannie and that was only limit the book because it was based on second century A.D. information were it it inflated the Samaritan who only break both book, but with the Fed. The but that information doesn't say that the fantasy only break the five of mode and just you just jumping there, come right back friends. It's interesting that many people go through their whole life and they know there's some differences between Catholic and Protestant Bibles.

Don't know why, so will keep digging deeper 866-34-TRUTH you have comments or questions. The line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown voice of moral cultural and spiritual revolution. Here again is Dr. Michael Brown thanks friends for joining me. I'm speaking with author Steve Raby have his book enjoying the contents of it. It is called why Protestant Bibles or smaller defense of the Protestant Old Testament canon.

It is always going through it, it raises the questions that I wanted to address and answers the questions in ways that I think are fair and honest and thorough Steve right before the break I was I was asking you to explain why it is exactly denies.

Did I not say Steve Christie I am so sorry if I give my authors name. I guess name out wrongly here. Sorry friends, but Steve Christie with them. I eat Steve right before the break you were giving what would be considered the strongest Catholic arguments for the Jewish canon embracing the books that we now call the apocryphal books, but it seemed that you were struggling to come up with something that seemed decisive compelling is that because there is nothing decisive or compelling.

Well, I think Compelling based on my understanding canon from the mob Background, when I began to research even after I wrote the book with the claimant said he going to break the five book of aura really are ordered scripturally or partly because we know from both that the great Jonah Daniel Boehm, D.Phil., Joe, and even in the antiquity of the Jews by Josephus and that the Scriptures relate up an Apple mini photo Jaco will gospel with an art of the Bible mode that would explain and say in Mark 14, with a high priest to be sad to see in a recognizes the reference from Daniel seven when Jesus asked about coming in the that the clouds with with with power so what about in some of the. The early church writings. Let's get into fourth century fifth century.

St. similarly Jerome and respected church leader, both Protestant and Catholic circles. What does he ever have lists of you know what's in the box what's in the Old Testament did any of these early leaders are prominent leaders have list like that where they explicitly do or don't list the apocryphal books as part of the Old Testament. Yet, what if I'm a corporate event. A breakdown of different types of what you got wicked and great book look them down between canonical book of the Hebrew Bible verse of the ecclesiastical book which were part of the Old Testament canon and before you know people like Jerome Alito working in other thing new in your Bible anything new from antiquity.

The book that that were affected. The other thing is is that modern-day capital called talk about like different ear of a book, but the Bible are the first year of the good work.

Now and part of the Fekete dear prominent you don't eat it indifferently. For example, Athanasius within the within the fourth century, but that those that are read from the apocryphal books like with your obit computed but doesn't include Becca McAbee and Yankee and the dedicate in effect for the permit, which are not applicable today and more specifically the Old Testament book in earth.

Here are what doctrine alone are supposed to be based on what he consistently right up to the fourth century and beyond. So when the Protestant reformers said that the apocryphal books can be read for for edification for historical learning in things like that but one is not to consider them inspired like Scripture or to learn doctrine from them, and when people asked me about them I said put them in between the Bible and a good book meant was that there is history to them. There's a lot to learn from them that you know book of Ecclesiastes Ecclesiasticus with my been through that's that's filled with with good stuff but it's on the level of Scripture. So are you comfortable with that or did you find that the statement was too far in one direction or another. Like the work. That early. Father repent work Scripture differently than the way the New Testament writers with a new Writer do that we don't talk about the book in the Old Testament and that are considered godly because you take irony of the client in the late second century you the shepherd of government that we called Scripture and the old part of it all. On the second century referred inactive, but that we called Scripture. That's why we have to go back to the New Testament which is written by the early Jewish writer, but we can glean and learn what effect you belong in the Old Testament, and even from the words of Jesus himself. Much of the Matthew 23 and 11 are there any dangers with the apocryphal could you be any wrong doctrines that we come up with this result of the yeah you brought that up because one of that product considered everything that needs book the garbage that we consider that we consider that the historical value like Becca McAbee talk about the arraignment and follow Alexander the great, and that the hearing under any act of the company, but we do not consider the thing level and Scripture, and neither did the early Jewish believers been crying though their value, but other things that are caught in it, I thought as offering to the dead and salvation were either getting all and even some historical things like thing that you can look when a fish and rub the fish got directly on your I think we are blind as a medicinal method of curing blindness and and then off burning the fish got the stairway team into the medicinal value that obit or his focal error like Nebuchadnezzar be anything of the theory in which you talked about in reality you would king of Babylon, charted his friends again. These are books that were widely read in the ancient Jewish and early Christian world, but not as Scripture, so it's perfectly fine to read them learn inspiring information in the books of Maccabees and and the courageous Jewish freedom fighters and other things that are of interest. You know beautiful prayer of your prayer, Manasseh, those kinds of things so you understand it's not God's words are Scripture and it's never as much as I've had Catholic friends challenge me on the air is never a single instance in the New Testament were any apocryphal book is quoted as Scripture and in standard ways as it is written as the Scriptures say would you concur with that. You think that I held in the appendix. One of my flock there about 300 of the current talk about it is written Scripture. They etc. and out of the 309 current 100% of them come from book the better prickly in the Hebrew Bible, not one of them come from any of the books that are in the apocryphal and about 5% of the book are you probably hereby forget that when the New Testament and the one for art like lamentation than Obadiah. Another active book like Jeremiah Rubin Vega that you use one of the terms and we got remember it like that earlier. Some of these books were grouped together, but they had the exact same book that are in our prompted Old Testament at 88 number 22 or 24 book, which again, Joseph, David, the book that related to the temple and the only way you can get a 22 block combining the book include all of the book that are found in products and Old Testament today. None of the apocryphal exactly it is really no scholarly debate about that whatsoever in the name of the book is why Protestant Bibles are smaller defense of the Protestant Old Testament canon Steve I have this technique.

If I want people to remember name. I get it wrong the first time that everyone pays attention to the section so I just did Christie hate. I just want to change topics really quickly because her on your bio mentions the book not really of us. When the children of Christian parents abandon the faith I have not seen this yet looked at it. I don't know about the contents, but the title intrigues me. We got about 23 minutes. Could you tell me why he wrote this book and just give us the briefest overview right before were only evil that are being brought up in the spirit are walking away from and back it with somewhere around third years ago when I wrote my first block I want to look into it and I base that on the parable of the four oil Matthew chapter 13, and if the title taken from first John chapter 2 verse 19 worked as they went out from that they were not really about and what I'm finding even talking with her growing up in the church that the reason that they walked away from the faith, because they never really owned begin with.

They believe that because their parents and their father are church leader told him they would, but they walked away because in the walkway from a lot of different reasons, but the main point that the come away from it. They say they never really truly think of a fleet. Yes, just like in ancient Israel.

Every generation had to have their own experience with God was they fall away, his friends, check out these books, Steve Christie CHRISTIE not Y thin but i.e. in the two books that we've mentioned again the new of the one I had not heard of not really of us when children of Christian parents abandon the faith and the one we been talking about. It's super practical.

It's laid out in a nice and thorough way that you'll find really helpful. Whatever your back, I think you find it helpful why Protestant Bibles of smaller defense of the Protestant Old Testament canon hate Steve, thanks for joining us on the air today appreciated much success in your work and ministry. You got what you got what the bill and permit buttons often want to thank you shalom shalom all right good word to end things here right friends here is what we are about to do.

Are you ready are you ready phone lines are wide open. I mean wide open like we do on Friday. Any subject. Anything you want to talk to me about anything whatsoever that ties in even remotely with material we cover on the line of fire. 866-34-TRUTH 866-34-TRUTH 7884 40 talking to on the other side of the break for cleansing and gives the line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown get into the line of fire now by calling 866-34-TRUTH here again is Dr. Michael Brown welcome line of fire going up our phone lines. Why do that for the next old 25, 26 minutes get to as many of your questions on all topics that we can 866-34-TRUTH can you just allow me one moment though to speak from my heart right before the show today got word that dear member for many many years, probably 20 years dear member of our congregation. One of the most faithful man. He and his wife incredibly faithful and the children went through a ministry school just learned that he passed away from complications related to COBIT and of its it's a terrible loss obviously for the family for his wife many years. Their kids and grandkids all the friends coworkers in the congregation I I know that there is joy in the midst of this, because is out of pain and suffering and this is a real strong faith family so they know he's with the Lord. But I had a guest on for the first half-hour talk about an important subject.

I want to go ahead with that on a certain level. Life goes on, no matter what, but I want to express my sadness that the pain of the loss in this world.

It must've been maybe to late 60s similar age to me.

I imagine some you see someone go home and it's is early its it's not like some of 93 years old and we can ready to go. It's it's painful to see but we know they're only passing through this world. It's another reminder to live lives that count. It's also another reminder to seize today. We don't know about tomorrow, but we have today. So let's live it in a way that is the end of the day.

We don't have regrets. If that means having fun with your family and letting them know how much you love them. If that means spending the day in prayer. If that means sharing the gospel with your neighbors.

If that means just doing your job with diligence in honoring the Lord in every situation you have lived today in such a way that the end of the day you have no regrets and you do that each day you will end up in the places you're supposed to be if you're obedient today. Tomorrow will fall into place and you will be looking back decades later, thinking of all the years that were wasted in all the could have us and should have Sue glorify God, you have breath may discomfort be with with those who are in morning.

Those who are still suffering the pain of of of loss of a family member because healing and comfort emerge in an amazing way in the midst of of the pain that our nation in the world have experienced in these recent years. All right, 86634 and to the phones we go start with Brett in Raleigh, North Carolina. Thanks for calling the line of fire.

Dr. Brown a question for you without seminary. I held her minority view of the three Mondo day image of God and man being destroyed by the fall or are forfeited and always been intrigued or and/or kinda confused about Genesis 5 yeah I the Holy Spirit would repeat almost exactly I mean I don't know. I was the New Testament God would repeat almost exactly the creation account in the beginning and then say and Adam began after his own image and likeness which is almost a copy of that also. In the second question is it for those two.

Believe it man maintains that modern day after the fall, I asked people all okay so the image of God is to be in hell forever and those who are are aren't elect or who have never been born again today all they look at me strangely. But that's a great name, the answer would be that that's true, that would be the implication so you bring up a great question and even more fascinating passage of Scripture we read it.

Genesis 5 universe one this is the regular Adams line God created man to decrease. So I don Adam right when he created, he made him in the likeness of God, male and female he created them when they were created, he blessed him call the man a Dom when enemy lived 130 years. He begat a son in his likeness after his image, and he named him Seth, so what this is telling me is that human beings still have the image of God. Yet, in a fallen way up on the on the one hand, if we did not have the image of God in any way, we would not have any morality we would not have any conscience there would be no law of God on our hearts, the world would exactly okay so that every good and perfect gift comes from God.

There needs to be a theology. There are no salt of the earth. People if people are okay.

Can I Holy Spirit restraining the people and not will know that's not true because John one says that this is the light that likes everyone that comes into the world. In Genesis the 20th chapter God doesn't let Abimelech sleep with Sarah because he said that he saw his heart, so there was some integrity that was there human beings in themselves will never seek after God, but human beings make choices every single day to say no to evil yes to good and that simply because we created an image of God, you fallen so we do things that we know are wrong for each anyone whips giving anyone scripture that says differently. This one every good and perfect gift comes from God and and he does everything for the glory of his own little hand that has nothing. Where does that say anything about human beings not being created an image in the image of God but human beings, not having the law of God written in our hearts about human beings, not being capable of of doing any kind of earthly goods, not all mean you're to be candid, no offense meant at all sir drugs is the serious student of Scripture, but that's quite a reach to code that ended simply saying if something is good and perfect. It comes from God. Wonderful. So Adams created in the image of God. Now substrate in his image. So what is that mean the image of God in its romance. So it's still there, that the light that likes every person that comes into the world John one Romans to the law written on the heart, even of nonbelieving Gentiles to know the difference between right and wrong. That's why God judges us write for our response to it. To good and evil, and yet fallen that we know is right and do the opposite wheat.

We know it's right and and and you do the opposite and condemn those who do the same so that's that's I don't enter that revelation to me of who God is to like it.

It's written it. If you were okay. You know it's been at the bar of God written on their part, if not their word and it wanted to be able to take take to be able to tell God I was me. I made I made the right choice. I was the one he was doing good, but you can save yourself course, God. Of course, God's going to judge people for their actions for the deeds of course. Of course you can say he's going to say well done was to say guilty, but we can save ourselves, we can go from death to life, but within the within the sphere of our overall life we make choices before I was saved was making choices. I did certain crazy things but stopped at others. People do do that all the time again here looking looking Genesis that the 20th chapter right and and this is this is what God says says to Abimelech, the king and Green pagan King. Yes, I know that you have done this in the integrity of your heart and it was I who kept you from sinning against me. In other words, because not knowing any better. She took Sarah to be part of his hire them to be part of his wife. He didn't integrity of his heart. God saw that and didn't let him send by sleeping with her.

So God restrained but he restrained based on choice Abimelech had made so you will knock a hole against another way to look at that.

But why did why did God say in the integrity of your heart because it is always God didn't say what you want to set another man's wife because because he knew it with another man like he did it out of the deceiver, but if you knew it was another man's wife.

He wouldn't take him because he had that level of integrity. No, God said so God said so so so here's here's my shotgun gets some of the calls, but Brett, here's the issue. Whatever verse I present to you will reject based on a presupposition of what it means to be cocreated image of God or a certain Calvinistic view that would be like an extreme callused view that human being is incapable of doing anything good whatsoever outside of God sent us human beings to good all the time can save themselves. It's doing good within the pit of lostness and alienation and separation from God. So II just encourage you to to reconsider no one read one more verse for everyone here.

John chapter 1 and this is not just the breath of life, look at this. All things were made through him, the Lagos Jesus without him was not anything made that was made in him was life and the life was the light of men. So the life of God in every human being is the light of men. And yet it is fallen in compromise. So the image of God.

Yet, in a fallen state so so chew on it all right.

You've obviously thought about this over the years that she wanted some more. May we can talk in the day but thank you sir for calling in and for the spirited dialogue I appreciated 866-34-TRUTH.

Let's go to Jacob and Concorde North Carolina. Welcome to the line of fire by Dr. Brown.

The part-time call in and my question is about language of the Bible. Good folk I know that a lot of people at Merrimack, but you can find that argued both ways on online or very compelling argument, but I came across the video from the guy from below.he helped on the logo software and imagined from John chapter 3 where it be born again and play on words there from about how that would've had to been a great so my question really was how much great. Maybe you think Jesus spoken at great at all what the title of Merrimack is some of that was the native language that they would've grown up with in Galilee.

There may have been some Hebrew used in certain occasions. Scholars in recent years have pointed out that he was more widespread in in the land of Israel at that time then then some have accepted. Certainly, the colloquialisms, everything would have been of everyday speech certainly would be Aramaic.

There are scholars who argue that many verses in the Gospels only makes sense if the language spoken was Hebrew others.

It only makes sense if it was Aramaic the most priority would be only Greek but you could have a situation Nicodemus smells coming in maybe more learned discussion reconvening Hebrew or Greek, but for sure the everyday normal life.

Jesus spoken language was spoken as disciples Aramaic's the best bet. It's the line of fire with your host activist, author, international speaker and theologian Dr. Michael Brown voice of more cultural and spiritual revolution get into the line of fire now by calling 664 through here again is Dr. Michael Brown thanks friends for joining us on a lot of Jorge Jim on Facebook.

Thanks for your kind words appreciated very much. Jacob one more thing, you can ask one. For example, it says this about the field that was purchased after Jesus's death. It says became known to all the inhabitants of Jerusalem, so that the field was called in their own language. A Kjeldahl mall that is field of blood so their own language. It's telling us that's what they were speaking, but that's Aramaic went when you have the at the end.

In Hebrew when you say the you put hot in front of the word soul Mela King how mellow the king and Aramaic you put in at the end so mall, is the king so the field cut account her call Dom of of the blood that is Aramaic of you have. For example, when Jesus raises the girl from the dead Tolley thought Kumi that's Aramaic when he hangs on the cross is the Ailey llama Shabbat tonic. That's Aramaic with Hebrew for for ale a leader, but now there are others who say but look look in Matthew one, you will call his name Yeshua because he will save his people from their sins. That would be a play on words and Aramaic, but it would be a play. It was so there would be a play on words Greek that would be a play on words in Hebrew: Yeshua because Yoshi he will save his people from essential people, their different arguments to save this must be Hebrew background Aramaic back on Greek background and their various arguments that are raised but although we accept now that Hebrew was much more widespread in the first century then then scholars in previous generations had accepted the everyday language of Yeshua and his disciples thing that that would been spoken. This is taking them along and and and spending time with them, pointing to them best understanding is that it would been in Aramaic and that would be my understanding from most of his teaching.

Unless it was a unique setting of, and there are even books written to Jesus, be Greek, there is this debate about how much Greek would've been spoken, especially in a in a village selling setting like that was there more debate that Took Pl. in Hebrew.

Among the religious leaders that can be debated in Jerusalem was the more you see people in Jerusalem and outlying areas. All these things can be actively debated and are debated among scholars, but the idea that Greek was the note. The language there really speak no, certainly not. Certainly not an end, perhaps the skull that you mentioned on the video may have just been referring to that particular dialogue with Nicodemus as an example of where Greek by the been spoken.

All right, let's get over to Kenneth and Tampa Florida. Thanks for calling the line of fire. Good afternoon Dr. Brown met you down there. Suresh David and GABA 1.great back in 2011. I like that was all right it was time I do all the lasted almost 2 years on a international radio a leg up over the Internet. Already a reliable go.com is lightning in Spanish and my interest is always vanity orators to reach people that don't understand how God could be our physical body and word of this physical body come from an because I have been my Jewish family and in the people of note, you're my life that are Jewish. I will always try to reach someone that you know I was wondering I was in eyes. I grew up I was surrounded by a lot of Jehovah witnesses as well so used to go to them. I was talking about this before but I went back to Genesis and looked at 30 old story about what the Lord English told you know that.

What do you see that she there was any water. What that would do him that would be cross and obviously let's see where this she'd come from the view. Haven't heard if she was evil and I know I looked at first Timothy 213 and seven only evil is a transgressor, not out of an animal.

He will because he ate the fruit that I will show you not listen certainly get Kenneth to keep most certainly is a transgressor in Romans five explicitly speaks of his transgression and received that was deceived. That's she was the first to be deceived, which was Paul's point there. Not that nothing Adam didn't sin at all but if if I was still Jewish people, Kenneth. I would also do this. I would also say will let's look at Genesis 18 when the Lord appears to Abraham now traditional Jewish teaching would save those were three angels, each on different missions as representatives of the Lord so he was appearing through his messengers, I would first ask them what of those were angels and they sat with him and Abraham wash their feet.

They ate and drank. Where did the Angels get their bodies from then I pushed further and say if you want to read the text strictly and honestly. Genesis 18. One incident into Genesis 19 one you'll see it was the Lord himself with two angels who appeared to Abraham and then Abraham and the Lord have an extended conversation back and forth and then the Lord leaves Abraham and the two angels go over to Sodom and Genesis 19 one. So I would say where did where the Lord's physical body come from there. In the Old Testament when he was manifest. So the only way that these questions can be asked in a compelling way to try to negate the New Testament for a Jew, you have to also negate was written, the Old Testament and Kenneth if you don't have my book, the real kosher Jesus in the third part of the book of first part is dealing with Jesus in the New Testament the second 14 with Paul in the third part seven secrets of of the of the real Messiah, the hidden Messiah. You'll find that really helpful about how the eternal transcendent God can manifest himself walk among us in this world will hate. Thank you for the call and made me. The Lord's truth, get out, to reach as many people as possible hate quick note for you. Do you get my emails wave at me.

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Thanks for reading on the Maccabean revolt.

I don't know your sure he was talking about, like it did.

That book was mentioned in the book of Matthew.

Look it up exactly where but that was a pretty accurate description about what went on there captivity in Babylon right, you heard that before.

Some of the stuff they did there was my will. Eckert might want it in terms of the books of Maccabees, those in China later. The books of Maccabees focus on what happened in the days under the under the Greek empire so that the Jewish people that the northern tribes were exiled by the Syrians in 722 BC, then the southern tribes of Judah. There were two exiles with the biggest one 586 BC, the Temple destroyed then.

Then he came back to the land under the Persian Empire than the Persians were displaced by the Greeks. So now the books of Maccabees are focusing on the time. About 360. Excuse me about a 160 years before the birth of Jesus. So it's a few centuries after the Babylonian captivity. There there other writings and apocryphal books that that you mention those things but of yes so that the Maccabees struck Mr. Wood will know were were dealing with later periods of time and this is when these freedom fighters restrict freedom fighter said okay enough with these Greeks defiling our temple sacrificing a pig on the altar of the temple in Jerusalem telling us we can circumcise our children etc. etc. so they fought back. There was a rebellion. It was courageous.

These were the freedom fighters whose victory we celebrate every year during the festival of Hanukkah that the festival of dedication. Speaking of the rededication and cleansing of the temple, and many would look at some of the events recounted in the book of Daniel is referring to those events took place with the Maccabees. In any case. In any case of this is what led to the second Jewish Commonwealth in freedom until the Jewish people came under the subjugation of the Roman state. Thank you for the question we are out of time.

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