Insights from a Former Member of the CIA

The following program is recorded content created by the Truth Network from a new book has God failed you to a former member of the CIA is covered today stalking for the line of fire with your host activist and author, international speaker and theologian Dr. Michael Brown your voice of moral cultural and spiritual revolution Michael Brown is the director of the coalition of conscience and president of fire school of ministry get into the line of fire valves like always 866-34-TRUTH that's 866-34-TRUTH your Jim is Dr. Michael Brown well it was it was yesterday. Yesterday that my new book came out. Has God failed you. Finding faith in you. Not even sure God is real. We were talking about it in previous weeks, and just with everything refocused on yesterday didn't even announce it on the radio, but of course we did post online is now available as paperback as an e-book as an audible book effective in listening to the audible the audio version of it just to see how it sounds being ran into to hear from perspective of someone listening to the book thinking and get a hardcover copy so check review order your books run a website ask Dr. Brown.are going to be some practical thoughts from that the bottom of the hour to be joined by former CIA agent and counterterrorism expert. We met online and begin interacting and said I got gets on the air talks will be doing that. Starting at the bottom of the hour.

Here's number to call you got questions, comments, 866-34-TRUTH 8663 4-H 7884. You might question the title of my book has God failed to as if God is who he declares himself to be. If the God of the Bible is who the Bible says he is.

Then he can't fail right why title the book has God failed well because too many people it feels to them as if you failed it feels in their experiences. If he's not really there refuse there. He's in different or if he is there. There doing something wrong or he's got something against them or this does more to the story than what were being told feels to people as if you fail as if something is fundamentally wrong or some of concluded he's obviously not there. When I recently recorded the debate with an atheist debate that should start airing on awakening TV, probably next month. Don't know exactly when this will will air this atheist said, look at all these promises to prayer you just asking you got it in August.

It doesn't happen all of course it's easy to respond to that there there many qualifications asking according to God's will and persisting in prayer. Even the Bible telling us that many times prayers are delayed in being answered sometimes is able never happen. Where was God and their Christian some of you I'm speaking to. Right now you're in church you been faithfully attending. You might even be in ministry, but deep down doubt Millicent you deep down questions rising you deep down you're not really sure.

But you feel trapped because she can't talk about it to anybody because if you talk about it. If your spouse on fire and vineyards yeah praise the Lord, but you got questions that really there you go through the motions but cancer, spouse, or what you I know honey I can't that can be or you know if you're in ministry who given the hotel accommodation on the image of God's real mature of the Bible appreciate it was true. I can do that or or you what if all your friends or innovate their strong you're not strong. There are questions you have questions you talk to and there's this trap we go through doubts.

Regards your questions and that's one reason I wrote has God failed you this, it would gotta be honest about these things.

Gotta be honest before God before people even if if you used to believe in your convinced there is no God but still it like angry dogmatic about it.

Open to be wrong. We just convinced that the right wrote this book for you as well and I want to show you a fascinating verse in the book of Jude level chapter dealing with this in the book has God failed but it's just it's just one verse and it says this in verse 22 and have mercy on those who are wavering or as others were translated and have mercy on those who doubt save them by snatching them out of the fire, but others have mercy with fear, hating even the garment defiled by the flesh notices words have mercy on those who are wavering or have mercy on those who doubt let's stop and think about that for minute elsewhere in the New Testament, really throughout the Bible. Unbelief is rebuked doubt is rebuked when the disciples are fearful when Jesus is on the boat during the storm and he calms the storm in there shocked is what you doubt what you have so little faith. Jesus instructs his disciples and says when you pray, don't doubt James Jacob rebukes his readers and says that those who doubted double minded. Their unstable and yet this is have mercy on those who die so that we sort these things out.

There is an unbelief that sinful because it is tied in with disobedience. There's an unbelief that is simple because it refuses to trust when there is reason to trust there's an unbelief that is sinful because we should have known better. If our eyes were open if if we were accountable for what God shown us and done we should be walking and unbelief. You have been in the Lord almost 50 years now I have ample reason to believe what modifies us walk around and rank unbelief God could rebuke me for that because at this stage in life with all of seeing God do many things is done through me and for me, and this is gracious displays through others that it would be a sin for me to walk in unbelief and yet there were times over the decades. For example, dealing with rabbis when I was a new believer in getting challenged by ultra-Orthodox Jews that were brilliant in Scripture new Hebron. I didn't this challenging and III get hit with questions. I wonder this is what I believe true or not and I dropped stuff all the trees were leads. I can't just put this in a box only believe not. I've got to pursue truth wherever it leads, however costly.

However, consequential. I have to follow the truth so of what happened was, was that I had periods of doubt, rest, struggle but but some of you have have had seasons of doubt that you wrestle with for years and years and years.

Some of you are on the outside looking in. Like I I tried the thing out. I went to church or read the Bible like I prayed the prayer is just nothing happened. It didn't work for me and experience God in my life was changed enough to know if it's true, I don't think it's true on a little this verse and Jude says, have mercy on those death that's not sinful doubt, sinful doubt is when you have every reason to believe and don't sinful doubt is when you refuse to go through the steps God tells you to go through it and if you go through them to come out strong that's sinful that that's being double minded believe one day and then sin. The next day, and so on. But just to struggle to have questions, that's perfectly fine and and God wants us as a church body to be merciful to those who doubt parents documented your kids is have questions nonoffice things true on my friends think about is the crazy wife and I believe it was your book is a critical during the gully because no no no don't react. Sickle helps with some of the questions you have maybe had supposed to. Let's look at them together because you have the amazing thing is the Bible's been here all these thousands of years and still the best-selling book around the world will wonder why why people from the true thickness of the smartest people on the planet believe the God about what we think that is where the questions with questions or someone else.

You pray you believe you sure you were sure you were sure that your troubles could be as surely as you knew God, your child would be healed and they die. What's the logical question that comes up now.

The rest of what I believe is not true. They may be the maybe the rest of of of of the things I believe are not or if if I was so sure about this. If I was sure about this as I was about my own relationship with God, and now everything crumbles around now. Everything caves and maybe the whole thing's false. I remember in the 1987 we prayed for man about my age. So's in her early 30s pray for this man met him at a conference.

The city had an inoperable terminal brain tumor and I thought, no, no, it can't can't be young man's rage's. He and his wife daughter's but same age as our daughters and now can't be Jewish believer sought. I pray for him and really felt like the spirit came on me to pray for him and soon the power God really touched him and then we get worried he's he's out writing this like exercising and feeling better than his Felton age isn't price. God could report. It's amazing.

I felt something happen on a pretrip pray for people in the past and their big miracles on gift of healing is a major thing in my life, but prayed for the people seen outright miracles thought this was another one and and then our members, we were we were in the process of moving from from for Marilyn to excuse me from from New York to Maryland and it was late at night and get a call from California with this couple lived and it's the wife that that the husband got off his antiseizure medication because he felt so good just his mind was clear all this terrible seizure at an end of course never told Mike off the medication he just thought hey I need this now and I remember when she told me what happened.

Got hit select all bolt of doubt, unbelief just went through my soul and and instantly it went to.

He's not healed to is no God but just like that. I've never wrestled with the existence of God or the rest was with atheism or agnosticism in any deep way just like a bolt went through my soul and it passed quickly and and then okay, how can we minister and pray how we move forward on this and obtuse great challenge and ultimately after's after so miracles were doctors and we have no explanation for his condition was able to do this, this, this, and ultimately lost for several years.

He died was a loss, but I'm saying at that moment I got hit will this abusive Mike this I live that's I live I live with that torment.

I live with that pain. I never recovered from that blow, but I do go through the motions. I just dropped out of church that's Robert has got failed to try to reach you where you are and to work through the issues.

Honestly, with Scripture and look at the goodness of God and look at why we why things are broken in the world today and and look at what we can expect and not expect look at even some of the tension that we deal with in this world will give chief*is she fancies I can help you give weighty answers to difficult answers. As I wrote the book literally as I was writing basis. These are the people speak to move your back for by the Expo line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown.

Your voice is more cultural and spiritual revolution. Here again is Dr. Michael Brown Junior's friends undertaken a couple of calls then thought of the our transition over to our guest from a CIA agent and counterterrorism expert Kevin ship would have a very interesting conversation we just interacted via Internet, and though this be the first time I actually get to chat and talks will be an interesting conversation of just another moment about my book has God failed to find faith you not even sure God is real. There were intellectual questions that we have that stymie us. In other words, if I question the inspiration of Scripture. If I question the relationship between science and the Bible. If I have intellectual questions about the existence of God, a five intellectual questions about whether Jesus is the prophesied Messiah. Those who stymie I'm I might have a great experience with God. It's been life-changing. That's the foundation of everything, experiencing him for yourself with someone else says your parents or grandparents been experiencing him for yourself nonetheless. Along with that we love God sees me with our hearts and our minds so on the way you got serious questions well. Let's get answers to your questions, that's good, that's fine.

God made us like this is must turn our brains off notebook like Job's is a masterpiece for the greatest intellects on the planet to wrestle with work or the reasoning of Romans, Vincent, these are brilliantly written by the inspiration of God through brilliant human authors Paul been on the road. Job but in point of fact, God wants us to to search and seek and ask then you may have experiential questions where your experience didn't line up with the Bible or you experience didn't line up with what others told you to expect your experience didn't line up with what you read in history so you can have intellectual questions, you can have experiential questions, but if you don't get answers to them either. You'll just be a religious hypocrite just going through the motions but your heart distant from God or you'll start to get cold you will gradually drop out of your observance or you will switch maybe to a more liberal perfect experiences, religious experience, that this will take the Bible seriously or you'll just fall away completely or maybe even become an atheist, or maybe even become hostile atheist friends I want to welcome you to come with questions and be honest I want to encourage you to get alone with God.

And if United matures real sick I'm over there. I don't know if either if you are there. I'm upset because I don't I don't like you II don't like to be honest, what he host machine heart. Anyway, I think you let me down while get it… This in the Bible. My experiences this and some is not lining up.

Be honest with God.

And if you're determine a God again final truth. If he's really there is nothing more important to know if you put us here greatest producer for purpose. There is nothing more important than knowing that that's preeminent salve gonna find out he was living. Success is a rewarder of those who diligently seek and I think you'll find the book has God failed you to be super helpful, both spiritually, experientially, as well as intellectually, I think the really help you so pick up a copy. Or maybe it's for a friend someone you love a family member and let us know of the book helps you or helps them right. Let's some let's go the phones will go to a Maryland Andrew, welcome to the line of fire. Thanks for calling on Dr. Brown robbing me all yeah go ahead like our doctor brought by Dr. Brown on. I'm glad you brought up this topic because there was something that's been bothering me lately about the exodus of people from the church and one of the things that I've noticed is that the according to popular according to somebody that I know know about the drug almost a lot of people will and I'm a millennial also. I kind of am aware of this book acutely aware but some of them have had have been hurt Kevin Sherbrooke and in one way to describe it but they had.

Kind of turned off by all Christianity husband. What politicized and yet sometimes there and sometimes are you doing turned off by how the church a bit after the board to hostile to the efforts of stopping social injustice ANOVA and some people even favor. It's not because of Marxism and liberalism review them, but both because the church of hope that the church is going to politicized anybody been kind of apathetic toward Rachel's and Joe Johnson yeah so so there is some truth to that, and in other words, there has been a sailing in certain levels in the church when I came to faith in 1971. I don't ever remember hearing anything about politics about who is president about elections literally nothing. Now it was. It was also to the point that Roe V Wade's 1973 that decision. I will never hear anything about that the church either saw me. We were so spiritually focused when even talk at all about the world around us, but introduce there's a happy medium and there's no question that many of us got way too caught up with politics in recent years, and then many evangelical especially when evangelicals became especially known as like to come people more than the Jesus people so that's can be a turnoff you you you go to church service and and even if your local church was really not heavily political because I don't think most local churches were there was more national leaders and people on major platforms talk about things so suddenly, you know listen Donald Trump gets up and make some speech and really insults people and is really nasty and crude towards people and and you think okay will you really like comp you voted for Chuck you're defending Trump and they went on about Jesus, like Trump click okay I will have to defend anybody except tell you about Jesus you know so that deftly happened. The other thing in this failing and we've got to to make sure that people know what's first and foremost with us. That's one reason I wrote the book. Donald Trump is not my Savior. As a Trump voter to see the message jump shot into the world some trumpets. Jesus only one Savior.

Here's the other thing enter when it comes to social justice issues really was a mix and is a mix.

Your average local church is involved in the community and is often working across racial bounds and then you have an extremist movement like BLM. Yes, every black life management shout that from the rooftops.

Amen.

Absolutely. And work together to see that that proclaimed and lived out yet extremist organization like BLM join in the NT for his you have critical race theory into sexuality a lot of things that do more harm than good and a lot of tricks can oppose that since like if you don't kneel down here and and and and make our statement of faith hear him talk about social justice then then you're not with us.

So the church is been between a rock and a hard place.

There, but what I would say Andrew is that in many cases, the church, and local areas has been leading the way in in in seeking to help the poor address education issues of bring together people from different races and ethnicities.

So what we have to do intrusive, but we have to lead the way we have to show we have to show we have to say watch us watch what we do in our communities. Watch how we stand for for for those who are subjects of injustice and watch how are all about Jesus.

Let us out the summer about politics right now. That's what we have to do. And as we do that, I believe young people come flocking one last thing where Jesus is really priest of the Holy Spirit is moving people of all ages and flocking to the pastors run America that are growing dynamically in this concert. Their preaching ministry without compromise say Andrew, thank you. It's important subject in something we address in the book as well. Has God failed to about young younger generations perceptions about the church and the Bible. Thanks for the call.

We have got time.

So let's go to Zach knowing I was going to go to Zach and Honolulu but I guess we won't so here's one of the biggest issues that comes up today and the reason that a lot of young people are turned off with church church hates gays church hates gays what sugar you church is so full of hate and I don't look at that is just a totally negative attitude. I look at that is a caring attitude but misguided.

I look at that as young people send look my best friends are gay and will speak gives everybody the same as this will expend the select women's us whatever you know that it's love. You have families you care about each of you work two jobs are normal people you may going to sexual predators and evil homosexuals in the Bible's bodices are gonna burn forever in sight, generally set religion.

I know I'll just dismiss that is like when you're your pervert your no other condensate yell, you care about people you care about calling about justice and I agree with.

I agree with your concerns. God cares about equality and justice throughout the Bible's major themes of Scripture, justice, justice, fairness, righteousness, major themes in Scripture would seek the reason and this is in my book. Has God failed. The reason that God opposes homosexual practice is because of his goodness and his beauty and the way he designed us in his care and the implications of what happens when you shift the meaning of marriage and things like that so it's it's not a hateful thing to thing based on God's highest concerns. I want to meet that young person with their concern with their love with her desire to see justice and it's a hidden skin of anchor picture go back to the God who made us, and from there see why he cares about things and why we should also pay nothing to do again all in my book. Has God failed. Pray would you pray with me that God will use this many people into strong faith that many people back to God will be right back. The line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown get into the line of fire now by calling 860 Jim is Dr. Michael Brown. I don't know. I don't know if we had time zone issue recently happened with my guess those can be joining us. But both numbers we have are getting voicemail so tell you what I'm and open up the phone lines 866-34-TRUTH 866-3487 84. Anything on your mind of any kind. Any subject, want to raise whatsoever by all means give us a call if if we can get my guest on that.

I'll just take calls on any imaginable subject to share some more things with you but there's a there's a question I just saw posted on Facebook and if I can go back there from Carson. What's bad to CRT and interest sexuality do. Thank you sir for posting that number one I want to land clearly and strongly and say that if you follow the God of the Bible, then you must have a heart for justice. If you follow the God of the Bible, then you must stand against injustice, and you must stand against moral evil and you must stand against societal evil.

If you have God's heart. Obviously that is a must. But question his interest. Sexuality does it get us in that direction to CRT get us in the direction turns out we have connected with our guests but Carson I'll get back to that right.

I'll discuss that in more depth and I will absolutely get back to that explain where I'm coming from. This is not an excuse for inaction.

It's a call to godly action okay with that.

Want to connect with Kevin ship a first let me just read this blog is this is kind of amazing former Central intelligence agency officer and intelligence, counterterrorism expert, Kim held several high level positions in the CIA. His assignments included protective agent for the director of the CIA counterintelligence investigator searching for moles inside the CA overseas counterterrorism operations team leader antiterrorism assault team member internal security investigator chief of training for the CA federal police force and polygraph examiner.

This is one of the coolest, coolest bios of red. Kevin was a senior program manager for the Department of State diplomatic security antiterrorism assistant global policy boxes and police training program is the recipient of two CIA meritorious unit citations and audit on other awards, author of the best-selling book from the company of shadows, which is an exposé on CIA operations and the abuse of government secrecy currently hosts the ship intelligence report and as a boy's kidneys burst. It was bleeding to death should been dead.

What in a matter of six weeks. His mother and a charismatic prayer group cried out to God, he was miraculously healed and how long ago was that though the over 50 years ago, so quite a story.

Hey Kevin, welcome to the life I thanks much for joining us today. Dr. grout greatly with this so soon leave connected via twitter started interacting going back and forth so some of what you're doing on YouTube. Looking at your book and background.

I thought that this is a this conversation we should have you been following me so you know what what I believe in things, but let me ask you this general question as someone who's been there and done that right Emmy to most of us, this is behind closed doors stuff we see in the movies and all the secretive stuff as someone who's been there and done that. What perspective does that give you that.

I don't have is a look at America today. Well, right. Having come from the belly of the beast that some would call it I, belt, recovering the I'll a lot that we did with noble and important thing to the eye doctor that are not, Nolan that something that our country needs to work through, but I understand how the entire works in all 17 agencies and every bit on the seventh floor and multiple embassy stations around the world. I know how cold Peter shouted of my not function without work, how it is a good, good, bad and the ugly than it does all three deep and so I was a believer when I went in there.

Thank God. And now I've come out and I want back by government spend time what what will make sure that you to minister the government is as the Scripture wrote minister to us for good. So keep an eye on Bobby quote the government put out a power in the hands of mortal men and women. So when you speak about deep state what what you mean by what you think actually exists, and what you think is an exaggeration or myth. Yet a great question and in the guy done this out of government. Each state are not out of government active Apra fee that includes the annotated PI of the FBI memo multitrillion dollar industry to function in secrecy much without knowledge, without a government influence is present president influences our Congress even influence the green court not right… In my book then you have to eat the administrative state that the monolith behind our government department state that space without that founded Google Earth. All of the Lafayette and the military-industrial complex and the Pentagon all about fault in the statement functioned by the power of money, whereas the shouted government function through the dark secret so it went when you say the deep state functions by the power of money you drunk course.

He has a whole book on deep state tries to define it for for a lot of people.

It's this nebulous thing, more know all of the Obama administration still had tentacles in in the during the time of trumpet. Now you know how these things work. You have lifelong political people and train secretly so un-unpack this a little bit more not just philosophically but concretely in your mind who who was part of the deep state during the comp administration or or what organization that hasn't work well to under the proper administration doll problems before them that I have a that actually can productivity date and the intelligence apparatus and you can see what they try to get empty because of that happening with defendant with goofball. Hope this includes Fox News defending about the fake whistleblowing impeachment. So the deep state that PI and if they got it all without wrong was unbelievable abuse of authority, but thank you. I think the money that runs the beefsteak in that that the military-industrial complex that it lobbying congressmen and senators. I think vendors make that $700,000 a year out of the Lockheed Martin others so they have bought out by Congress of the influence that the defendant in the war is obviously that we should have gone into in the first place and it is trillions of dollars of flow throughout Washington and eventually control our Congress that are set right so in light of this against friends, I'm asking a former CIA agent decorated CIA agent read some of his bios was back in again. Find out more in his book from the company of shadows and will talk about that in a moment wears a CIA whistleblower I'm asking for his opinion. I'm asking for his viewpoint and you can take this data and so that's not something I talk about a lot on the air. As you know, but I thought Kevin would be the right person to talk us through the sink so from your perspective, your average American sitting here should they feel paranoid should they feel like they they have no power that their vote doesn't matter that these people you know like the illuminati here is kind of thing exist in a running everything work you know where to eat, where you yourself land about the good the bad the ugly are these all nefarious organizations working to hurt us just carry out their own empire is, is it all out of control order checks and balances what your perspective as you live as a Christian American right now and and you're just one of 337 million people. Yeah… I don't think that the paranoid or. Obviously that's a big state what it promised to pay when people for their government tyranny of the government. The people the liberty so the last thing we want to do it. Your own government want to do, especially as believers is back at work active both to court are our government back underneath the cough edition running, especially right now, under a post government and you know if you want to go. I would now your average person out there taking it to extremes in terms of paranoia, but lately with the DHS redefining what what domestic terrorism and intelligent immunity to DNI record – 1000 redefining domestic terrorism, which could include conservatives and even trump supporters yes we got. Problem is you combine that, together with the woke takeover of our government and critical right there any other brainwashing things up in our school.

I have to save these for me personally. Dr. Brown, especially the Christian for the most concerning the chapter in US history directly to my life.and then a tie-in. The vaccine cold with with all this, we don't have to get into massive detail in terms of your own view of of the origins of of covert, 19 the pros and cons of vaccine, but we know this is been something where the government trump Biden there been lockdowns is been very information was good without some states just opening up of the states continuing to close down in from your perspective. Is this another opportunity for the government to gain more power over the American people that I absolutely do. Whenever given the opportunity to government will gain more power over people.

That's why the founders came up with the right absolutely the government would do that will do it every single time and it is using COBIT to do that. Lockdowns what they're doing with the federal government is doing actually funny control date which is clearly yes the government will use it to control the people. How much of it is very how much of it is blundering government. He ought to get a little bit of vote, but the government wants to control the population including the state them there and accusing right now, especially the Carter administration is using COBIT biking to do that and you see other governments, and other personal doing the same thing. Naturally cracked down quite definitely regarding COBIT 19 and the nonaddictive court of Israel, but there are handling it a lot stricter way than we are. So you know, nothing is ever black and white government.

The government that note, more complex, a little extra boat and yet the Cape COBIT is very. Far and all the indications including from a personal friend is a position indicate that it was genetically engineered the man-made virus. There's almost most expert expected of Dr. coffee agree that the thing was engineered and laboratory probably and intentionally we… By accident.

We don't know pretty clearly at three different versions of art is very nice. You jump in here.

The music that we got a break and speak with Kevin shipped his whistleblower book from the company of shadows that ship with two-piece right that it's the line of fire with your host activist, author, international speaker and theologian Dr. Michael Brown voice of more cultural and spiritual revolution get into the line of fire now by calling 86643 here again is Dr. Michael Brown, a friends I'm speaking with Kevin shipped former CIA officer encountered terrorism expert and and something that he said right before the break, I think is really important that you not just dealing with outright evil or just outright good or just inefficiency. It tends to be a mix of of all different things I've no question that many government leaders suggested here in America really care about the population really think that that lockdowns and massive vaccines are the only way that to keep us safe. And then there are others that look at this is a way to make a lot of money, no vaccines whatever and others look at this is a way to just exert more control over the populace and there's gonna be a mixed history dealing with with human beings up. Kevin when you wrote your book from the company of shadows eroded basically is as a whistleblower. So as someone who served so loyally for so many years. What what turns what cause you to question does some the aspects of the agency that you supported us so zealously my love, my career and I was placed on a classified date US they moved in there with my family is second in command that help run the place, which had a lot of problems pretty dark path and apparently there was the mustard gas shell percolated up through the ground and anyway what my family got desperately ill. My wife lost her short-term memory was on morphine my thunder nutrient system was so shocked Dr. that I took that it looked like he been exposed to a first radiation I try to get the TI to help and they refused because of the nature of the base and what it is been doing so. I collected samples that the staff of the Washington leading persimmon to come out doing environmental test.

But what happened with that broken door house and chemical on the feeling and started following our family around the basin. I was, I was shocked that the I do that and study. I think they do it to one of their own, and I had ultimately stand up, my family and for my wife and kids, which I did and eventually file suit. PCI was ordered to a mediated settlement of the I settled with her family signed the agreement and then create later turnarounds that none of Mr. ship doesn't accept a fraction of the settlement word and a book about the state secrets privilege steal all of his evident and it will be illegal for you or even furnish the talk about it with anyone. So obviously after agonizing prayer and trying to maintain my family and and provide for them.

I had to make make a decision.

Either let them get away with this sort, or just go ahead and go full bore public and I think the best out of the open and so I just thought revealed a revealed doctorate programs to explain the false gag orders. What they didn't have the abuse. State secrets privilege with which the UN Congress routinely and how that will work violent anybody that is trying to expose a cover up or something like that and that was sadly my defining moment.

I had to stand for my family really against the my this can be agonizing and then and then all the consequences of what you are exposed to physically told attack on your family again friends that book from the company of shadows. Kevin what's your view on cuing on in the various conspiracy theories associated with that. You think there's any reality to that word you dismiss that the simile I do what I my own personal and update on cuing on as I would thousand gathering all the back without me by putting back together even interviewed you in on big former Brandon expert, so I compiled it altogether.

I knew the cuing on of Baltimore begin because anybody that you clear the Department of Energy top-secret clearance. Anybody that have you clearance and was was dumping stuff on the dark web we would've found that person in two weeks.

I notified so it has never been what it they claim it is never been a classified clear top-secret you clear insider that was the far from the beginning and that of course you have to read there's a lot of very great people and Christians that have been captured into this thing and it almost a delusion where you can reach limited government to be arrested thereof to be flown to Guantánamo locked up with work often on and on all all post go and and you not because it is portrayed like a conflict videogame. These people really think the entities drop that to start their boat. I'm… I'm very concerned about you and on because it has snared a lot good American. A lot of people were Christians, and it is a delusion yeah and Kevin when I discovered this when I had my friend James Beverly on research professor who wrote a book on McEwen on deception when I have a lot to talk about it I would.

I was always shocked by the level of attack that we came under a social media pages. I am at the level of people flipping out and outraged and how dare I do know I have you on and I'll get some people say no I don't agree with that guy. Or maybe should have some amount from another perspective, and I'll give my perspective on something people post Dr. Brown I think you wrong here that happens every day, but this was militant rabbit and whether you get how do you do this at the end and it was gospel to them and I thought wow this like a cult and has cultlike powerful people and then not what I so quickly was that when I talk about the great awakening in a spiritual awakening in America and God bringing the church to repentance of the nation to repentance their time at a very different great awakening they're talking about God's going expose all this and Biden and Obama will be arrested as pedophiles and Clintons running the ring and the military putting trumpet power. That's the great awakening so hearing you are you are well-qualified to separate myth from from fact because your own background you know where this conspiracy and you know where there is just no right exactly… Right now I've got a thing that I put out a very valid analysis on On-Q stating that he was a broad-based.

What I found in an I got hundred of it. Brutal, ruthless attacks from people out?

You know you're a traitor. Once you can fold up deep state yeah yeah and it was shocking. Frankly yeah and Kevin. These are from people that are regularly following us that we thought we marched part agreement of what I still look at comments that day and instantly we always knew you were deep state yet. You are a flaming liberal you're a communist think.

What in the world provoke that.

So here you a whistleblower who really have it take on the power the CIA had massive personal and family cost that you're actually doing that secretly because your your your part of the shadow government and its scary to see this go hit my my requirement Detroit.

My family angered him almost terminally ill and yeah I did all that you don't like Dr. delusion and you're right it is like a cult when some of the involved in a culture so deep into it, they will not listen to reason.

They will not affect me will attack anybody to go back there or yeah and the interesting thing is that trumpet with all of his flaws and shortcomings really did challenge the larger political system in ways that others had before because he came in as an outsider and he wasn't beholden to the funding of the system or the power structure of the system.

He just went into disrupted so there is truth. There and that's within opens the door for the conspiracy errors and things like that. Hey Kevin, you do regular reports on your YouTube channel. What's the best way that folks could fall you report. Hear what you have to say. So both as a Christian is a former CIA agent is a patriot is a kingdom minded person. So what was the best way for folks to follow your reports on a regular basis of Dr. Brown. I have really worked like a crown caliphate ground accomplished Kevin_ship and after I have a shipment of report and I put out the light update on everything going on per tablet administration and the local culture. Now and then. Some of those I will migrate over to my YouTube channel and there's there's a lot of content that's been there for a couple years now and yet to find me. You got YouTube and search Kevin Shipman those who come out of my personal testimonies and there's some other things injected two best ways be contracted out so patriotic.com/Kevin_Sosa lower underlined ship with two piece of just one check out general content for search for Kevin ship with two peas again on YouTube hey Kevin got one minute. Are you hopeful that God is doing something in American the miss the shaking or you basically thrown in the towel. I got doesn't judge America because of abortion and things like that you can after college I thought of the Gomorrah you know we have been doing children, unborn children for decades now, and now the entire administration taken over by what we often twisted ways of thinking of passing laws broadening a few folks over in a very I think background of the Lord is lifting the edge of perfection around the US because we haven't nationally repented of our stent.

Yet America at large, but I kinda that's right, looking to me. Yeah, certainly urgent moment, and sustainability comes out in October. It's this revival we die.

Either we find mercy America as we know it is massive trouble.

Hey Kevin, thanks, been on the front lines. Thanks for your courage and your seeking to be balanced and honest in all that you do and I'm sure will stay in touch. Thanks for joining us today. I appreciate God bless you. I you're at a time. Another program powered by the Truth Network