Kimberly Tyson, Nate Birt, Danny Spainhour

This is the Truth Network where you hear from ordinary people instilled with an extraordinary passion, together with stories of men and women who they love God turn their passion into kingdom pursuits now live from the tree. Your host Robbie Gilmore, the baby, today's kingdom pursuits is baby baby challenges and joys of adding to his family through the blessings of embryo adoption. We have made Burton's weather sees the author of the just-released new book frozen but not forgotten in adoptive dad step-by-step guide to embryo adoption and adoptive dad of Phoebe now year old right mate.

That's right, Robbie, and how exciting I mean that's this is such a wonderful subject and I'm so excited about it yet here we are Easter Eve and with all this talk about new life and we got a new life to talk about only really all about rebirth and embryo adoption.

You'll probably a lot of people don't even realize it to be able to get it with you this morning is a real is for me as well and along with Nate, we have Kimberly Tyson and she is Executive Director of snowflakes adoption program. It might life Christian adoption so Kimberly, what in the world is a snowflake to you. Well program technique today. Robbie for a moment.

Our embryo adoption program in the very first embryo adoption program established in the entire world and it was named snowflake because each human embryo that we're hoping to help people learn is frozen and it is a unique creation of God and arm gift from God that we are hoping that many more children like PD will have an opportunity to be foreign because their folktale had their embryos created through in vitro fertilization are choosing to place them with a family like the birth who are willing to give birth to them success in subject and such wonderful topics so kind to disturb it with my humor about this just wanted out of this.

Speaking of baby baby off to the Army you told me not to an item of your about the hung Hungarian inventor.

He bought a baby bear. And later on, it became really famous because it was known as Rubiks cub. That's a bad joke prepared then here's another one just really test you today Keith. I missed my miniature Indian musical instrument practice last night.

Sometimes it happens when I miss my miniature Indian musical instrument practice. I couldn't find my baby sitar to go find a baby sitar anyway. You know the end of all the shenanigans in some of those were pretty bad and I was just what I do which there is a riddle that you can call in today and you can win your choice of some stuff and I get that second but first, I could give you little witch baby brother in the Bible you could say was hanging on by a thread which baby brother in the Bible, could you say was hanging on by a thread. 866-34-TRUTH 87884's number to call in when 866-34-TRUTH and if they call him today. Keith don't know him well Robbie, I actually six Salem – so I think the game is this coming Tuesday nights I got plenty of time to come by and get them all you have to do is tell us which baby brother in the Bible.

Would you say was hanging on by a thread. 866-348-7884's a number to call him and win so Kimberly, getting back to this idea of. So if I'm understanding and I'm not sure I am that when people are trying to have a baby and that and they'd go through in the what you call it fertilization, embryo in vitro, reproductive technology and so how is it that you end up with these other embryos where in our family for their family therapy and kind more embryos are created during that critique. And that family and that using for their own building for one reason or another, and embryos are usually and stored at the clinic or at cryo- banks around the country and when that family had completed having many children as they wish to have. They find themselves faced with what we do with the embryos that are in for the storage they only have four choices for the embryos wanted to continue to pay the fee to have been stored indefinitely and that there is no shelf life down for frozen embryos.

They can thaw the embryos and cart them, which of course to strike the embryos they can donate them for scientific research which destroys Dan Rather they can donate them for reproduction, which is the only life actually for the embryo, so maybe that's where you came. Previously, our fertility clinic well. Even today, fertility clinic have what they call embryo donation program and people who had the embryos created at that clinic can donate their embryos through that clinic, but it an anonymous donation. They really don't know any of the outcomes without embryos and embryo adoption. We are applying best practices adoption because children are adopted into families not donated, and that we follow the best practices and that placing parents to people with the embryos had an opportunity to choose the family some eight tell us a little bit about how you got to that place for you would consider that type of of adoption. You bet Robbie. I would say that my wife and I will follow Heide and Ezra and got adopted. We got married but we never really. We can edit it until I approach my life. One day that are having another but okay but were going to consider embryo adoption and the reason that was on her part was because we had some friends who had gone through the process and she and her work as a scientist understood that an embryo isn't just about actually a life and escape are talking about a baby human life.

And so I on the other hand there to view it as a little bit sci-fi is a little bit something that I could never really wrap my mind around it out with one thing early in our relationship about adoption but actually pursuing it, especially as that dad of the husband. I think there's often an aversion to bringing a child into your family that doesn't have your DNA and I think it really boils down. Robbie cried and so as I thought about it, prayed about it, you know God certainly changed my heart for adoption and for embryo adoption. Typically, while some of this was your wife said that my wife always had the best ideas a few times so it wasn't really a struggle of your own to have natural children you have them. That's right, and Robbie, I would say that we are a little bit all unheard of family and Kimberly could speak better than I but many families that could pursue embryo adopt a family that had never been able to have a all right you can see this discussion. I'm very anxious to hear more from Kimberly and they then we have to rivers on the line so perhaps you are answered which baby brother in the Bible saying on my thread mother way since.com.

Find out all about this book right frozen God takes passion and uses it to build the kingdom.

Today we are blessed to have with his mate Bert and Kimberly Tyson discussing the concept of of frozen but not forgotten mates book of adoptive dad step-by-step guide to embryo adoption and his mate has a daughter named Phoebe who is now one years old and I guess you'd say one-year-old probably not years. But anyway, we are going to get to all that the met first we got Tommy is in Jamestown is good. Tell us which baby brother in the Bible you could say was hanging on by thread Tommy are on kingdom pursuits good morning good morning at Absalom. Now that's interesting tell me, tell me your thoughts on the above Absalom.

He was one of my the characters that that really just jump off the pages of the Bible and indefinitely hold your attention right yet well you know what hanging by a thread. Beatty well I love you know any time somebody comes up with some other than what I was thinking. I consider this a huge window. Now I see where he was.

He was hanging by the threads of his hairline in the tree all my goodness what answer Tommy literally let me and tell Joab shish kebab was brutal as quite a story that's good thinking on your part.

Tommy so working call your winter and hopefully you will enjoy some of the best game.

Thank you so much for calling in the day when God bless God like a thinking thank you and we have also dogs in Kernersville, Doug on kingdom pursuits and you may know, I am doing wonderful okay you may know other book baby brother in the Bible you could say was hanging on by thread. That would be Jacob and Jacob and Esau were brothers and Jacob stuck his hand out first and I tied a threat around its wrist and then Esau was born, but really, the firstborn was Jacob because he stuck his head up his usurper and he started usurping early and that scarlet thread goes throughout the Bible, but that's beautiful start yeah right you got it exactly right. And you to we will find more tickets will find another one Tuesday night but another night but we will get you – tickets for and we just let you listen. Doug and Conan the much thank you God bless about our rights getting back to Kimberly and Nate. Nate was this process for you. Now you know God's kind of well let's go back to that a minute so I'm assuming that you are Christian, as you entered into this process.

Yes or and so tell me about how your faith. You know kind of you that you had mentioned that in prayer. God, changed your heart. Can you give us any more details of your Robbie that over time, you know, I think about it and process it and someone who once I get on the bus. I'm all the way on the bus driver close to the driver as I can. I think you know as I mentioned earlier pride played a role in limiting my that adoption of the one got it taken at was led research mode. One of the that how we going to learn and so the book frozen but not forgotten really sort of came out that journey of discovery become apparent to be able to have the book that I wish I had had an obviously Kimberly's team at night like really played a critical role in giving us those tremendous insights that allowed us to not only think about embryo adoption exactly pursue it and bring baby Phoebe to the world tells about CD oh my goodness wonderful. She had a heart as you mentioned a few weeks ago she celebrated her first birthday with a Raggedy Ann theme party in a splash cake. You know she has beautiful red hair. See while you laugh, you love chicken. We have a few backyard I can get going early moving animal and though it's just so fun to watch her light up your little devil. I do know that this is a child made in the image of God and to think that there are 1 billion frozen embryos like EB around the United waiting for a family.

It brings me hope that other families can experience the joy that God has black so she has siblings. She's she has come to brothers and sisters sure. So in our family as she has three biological biological son, three brothers and family had where I came from her. That embryo got colder.

So she has three bile boy going through our Dr. well well so could you describe those relationships sure so we have what's known as an open adoption and I'm sure Kimberly can talk more about this but then Julie every family both the plaything family that has the embryo as well as the adoptive family that bring the embryos into their family has the opportunity to decide on what kind of a relief that they want that we want to make sure based on all of the adoption research of the past several that an open adoption in general is the best for the child because it allows the Chahar child to have a relationship with her plaything family as she grows older she has certain medical questions or want to know more about where her family came from her biological family still have that opportunity and that we share photos and email occasionally we get together in person. Actually the first time he met them or plaything family had us over to their home for a barbecue and they brought their grandpa and aunt though it was a very warm and welcoming environment and and honestly Julie and I didn't know what but we couldn't be happier with our plaything family and really it's because of the fact that they recognize that an embryo is really a baby that we had Phoebe to begin with wowing Kimberly can use. I'm sure you have a lot you can speak to him that well as an adoption agency.

Of course we believe that open communication between the plaything family and the adopting family important and child and trick practice of adoption among people are familiar with domestic intent to adoption and they know that in today's world. That woman is giving birth to the baby that she plaything for adoption have to stay and who is going to adopt that baby and we felt that practice needed to be translated over to embryo adoption and so we have a lot of work education about light open adoption is really is really open communication between the two families that whatever level the family mutually agree upon not mean that they have to celebrate holidays together all that we do have family that yeah we have families that vacation together. We have families that exchange one email a year, though at that level of open communication is really mutually agreed upon by the family. It's just that is really a dynamic relationship that I you know it's it's kind of need to just consider they what it what it would be like for those siblings to go out this this this sister Mars is completely our sister from a standpoint of biologically and and yet it just leads to all sorts of things that you know or just a new kind of Brady Bunch go-ahead I going to really say what you want their children that are born that our genetic siblings to the children in the plaything family. We want them to know about their origin want them to know about their family history. That's something that every child really has a right to know and in today's medical environment where children are born every day through donated eggs and donated permanent donated embryos all done anonymously.

You know these children as they grow a lot better looking in the mirror and thinking just to know where I came from and just look into the eyes estimate you have the same night that I have. It isn't that they want to dismiss that parents that raised MAR their parents that there is a curiosity and I need to know Linda and true embryo adoption.

We provide that children jumps out at me is you know Satan is not to take this lying down is just not an one of the most pervasive ways that he can get in and her children is with the orphan spirit and you know there's all those questions that orphans ask like no to my parents not want me in and and all those things that haunt kids even kids that even know their parents can end up with the orphan spirit where they feel isolated and whatever and in Satan's going to come in and twist that my curiosity either Nate or Kimberly whoever wants to speak to. It is what you think the twist is going to be for freebie housing because it doesn't seem like the normal one would be my parents put me up for adoption because he didn't want me but in this case it was a matter of they chose this and we over the other that you can come to that conclusion. 12. Take a crack at really deep philosophical. I question and I think will be the oldest baby born, embryo adoption, Kimberly can speak more to this now and I believe early 20 and so these are questions that I think Jerry plaything yeah somebody there's a 20-year-old baby. I want to find out about that when we come back from Kimberly and made again. The book is frozen but not forgotten kingdom pursuits.com and click on the book fair order from Amazon for sure, go back to you and that is inferred from a our passion is to build the kingdom will be right back to build the kingdom of they were so blessed to have with this author mate Bert with his new book, frozen but not forgotten Kimberly Tyson, Executive Director of snowflakes adoption program at night light Christian adoptions that supported me payments exciting, but right now we got Danny Spain hour with us in manner you guys have a big concert coming up right. Hey Rob you talk to Y know the Collinsworth family will be coming to find a Christian church about this study tomorrow about next Sunday, April 28 and 20 concert at 6 o'clock and they are an incredible incredible family and a great night at work right right and so is there a ticket that you need to buy or how you get in to see the Collinsworth probably here's the thing.

Our middle and senior adult ministry of Pineville wanted to offer this, the gift to our community. And so the concert actually free and that we are, we will take a love offering during the conference about the concert will be free gift of the community and also next. The concert starts with six but the doors will open at five and if you're coming out. They come only when we had a guy come through our parking lot this week and want to know where he could park his bus if you know them. If you know them. You know the big concert yesterday to that a minute summary about how they are just you and you guys like you guys landed and become the Pineville I know there only in North Carolina couple times this year and were fortunate enough to have an Collinsworth family, all number one camp leader if you know them, you know you dream you got a good meal if you don't know me like to Collinsworth family fall under southern gospel and yet the thing all kinds of music, and you're going to absolutely love it there family and so you know family when they thing looking for like one voice and also looking for like 24 is just amazing and musically these folks, but one ever award the real stars playing the piano. Mom Jim plays the piano like you've never heard a boy before and the dollars for the violin will be a really good night of music, praise and worship that is next Sunday, 28 April week after Easter. Obviously it's just it's at 6 o'clock 6 o'clock counter start at six. I am of the Lord will open at five so it didn't get down there. Five obviously to get good seats to see the Collinsworth family.

If you don't know or Pineville is let me tell you, you come to Winston-Salem and take actually the red white and blue 40 because business for disclosed. If you been here lately, you'll know that even if you're in Charlotte or Raleigh today, but if you take regular old Interstate 40 and you get off the peters Creek Parkway, which I believe is 150 is not a Danny of the road is 150 annexes 193, also 40 but I gave her dark where you Highway 150 more about 2 miles south want to get off of 40 and over on the left hand side is beautiful Tyndale church.

Again, this is this is a huge thing in and and speak for just a minute since I got your Danny about those ministries that are put this together because you guys really have some special Pineville about two years ago. Our church really want to focus on the two-year-old and above will call our middle and senior adult ministry because once you get your out of your adult ministry or, right there in the middle so I would call her senior and middle adult ministry and were trying to offer a lot of different ministries and programs for anyone age 50 and up we believe there is a church like were the church of yesterday. There the church of the day in the really the turkey tomorrow so we don't want to forget that group very important. The last year we started bringing them of some really big men concert just to have good nights of worship and praise him a chance for people to come out, maybe drug or hang out in that kind of stuff but that's our middle and senior adult ministry ministries of Pineville such a pleasure to share, not so much stuff, thank you God bless you good for next Sunday okay thanks for getting back to Nate and Kimberly right when we got at the break. We got to the point where I found out there was a 20-year-old Kimberly that as was actually the oldest embryo tell us about that young lady could sure Hannah and Horner will turn 21 years old in December this year. Hannah is snowflakes beating number one we have started a long time ago getting numbers to our snowflake 80s I think BD made if I'm not mistaken is 575 and so Hannah is snowflakes baby number one. Hannah goes to university out in California. Karen praise the Lord has really taken hold of her story as the first child born to the process of embryo adoption. She loves sharing her story and that's really exciting because you know a lot of kids that are into their teens and early 20s in Canada want to set aside all the things that were happening to them during the time with their parents that night.

Hannah says that's really exciting and she is oldest snowflakes baby that is beyond cool. If you ever heard her speak to any struggle that she has emotionally based on that experience being unique in the world. Gargling with unique and heard her talking about developing the relationship with her genetics in her thinking family and you know looking human relationships is always promptly fits and starts, and as I know she got That I can sit with her genetic siblings, which is great. Hannah is an only child that's really really neat so turning to you for second Kimberly God obviously gave you this – that's fascinating. And then he kinda placed you in this position of X Executive Director. Can you tell us a little bit about you know maybe the point where you felt like okay God. This is where you want me in your own journey of faith like how did God give you that passion and how did you end up on this eventually do whatever I would guess you know 40 years ago.

I'm sure that someday you would be the Executive Director or director of of something like this interesting question unit are that we need open door and we stepped through it and not really like to keep for my position here at night night I was hired 14 years ago to specifically manage our grant program from the federal government to raise awareness about human embryo donation and adoption.

I still do you manage that grant that can in the middle of writing grants right now and hopefully will be awarded more money from that Department of Health and Human Services is great to use that to help more people like me family know about this option that's available to them. I became the director of this snowflakes program back in 2015. My background is in business administration, not a social worker so I've been applying to best practices that to this program and it really has helped us to improve our processes that help desk to be able to get more babies, plaintiff and more babies born because in reality, God is the author of life and gain her life and he's the one that created these embryos and it's really exciting to join him in the work of allowing babies to be born that otherwise might remain frozen and get in the tell me about your faith walk. Did you where you Christian when you met your wife or sister did you come to Christ early in life. I didn't go I was rated raised by parents who are the church.

I was going college life and I met through college and going to worship together. I've been a Christian for for quite time I myself and was baptized last year believing that perhaps the state that I had when I was 16 when I first came to Christ. I was not a strong beta that needed to be to be pleasing to have been so I wanted you that you have confidence in their name baptized. That is so cool. So we come back to that here how God's been involved in this journey that is on.

So, how exciting. Again, the book frozen but not forgotten.

Since.com order yours now right back passion and uses it to build and you know it's kind of interesting thing to be on the radio and be given an opportunity to be a talkshow host in your always in a kind of my hope is that you guys would see God as the hero of these stories because you know God, not in their help. Kimberly end of the position were obviously not anything I'm learning is that that these families are so integrated that the children not only have parents, but now they they have new siblings from other families and the get to meet them and even their biological parents and all that goes on that you can obviously see God figure about stories and in this kind of in our job if we choose to accept it as to how we how do we see God's thread as we talked about in the rental. What wears his thread through this particular story. And so I the question of them dying – actually made ever since I found out about you guises. You went from your wife gave you this idea than accepting the idea, but now at some point time, God put it on your heart to write this book for now. I'm guessing this is your first book. I got my first written a book at the meeting. I was a very small child and so I sense that this is really been a faith journey is that as you were baptized, you know, just that had to be right in line with God really took his place is in writing this book. It sounds like completely at Robbie, you're exactly right. And I really want to encourage your your audience, you pick up something to write with and write out your website because it changed my life this way it changed Kimberly's life the way I can't help but believe it can change others so that you website are snowflake.org that will play quicken@theend.org and then at my website which is frozen but not forgotten.com again frozen but not forgotten.com website back to blog about this last night and Robbie think that gets to me is that our society seems to have a lot of interest right now in issues about life and when does life begin to get the right to take like that and I think as Christians began through the definitive know but so many people have made a distinction between embryo and fetus and a baby.

In reality, you can't have a fetus or a baby without an embryo and felt that but I want people to think about is God is the author of life.

As Kimberly noted earlier and got no eat every one of us. And so it it it and I think that we have an obligation as Christians to tell people about this important subject about the fact that there are these babies that families and Kimberly said, are often torn about how what do we do with these babies.

Oftentimes families go into IVF. Not knowing there will be remaining embryo and so the more education I do.

I think the more we can do to lose night but we still have Kimberly, that's good. So similarly, what, where do you see growth as far as your ministry at this point, my baby, how can our listeners pray for you can believe it, but what would be the next place you guys are going there objective of our program is very simple. The number of embryos and storage in the United States is very high.

Not every line is is embryos will eventually people learn that we are working really hard to educate family do you have remaining embryos that an option available to them is to place their embryos program using an adoption model. It empowers them to have knowledge about who they are placing their embryos with and enable them to know the outcome of the placement of these embryos if they do it through a fertility clinic. They really never know if the baby was born or not, to our program.

They will know that and hopefully they will develop the relationship between that family that they placed their embryos within their own family. That would be fantastic. And then of course the other objective is hey it doesn't matter if I attract families to place their embryos. If I don't have families like me are willing to adopt to the embryos and give those embryos an opportunity to be born. There's no point in me attracting that placing family fell on my God is really a balancing act between attracting both the placing family and the adopting family.

We had plenty of embryos available. Oftentimes fertility clinics in their donor program don't have embryos available that we have many embryos available that are just waiting when I like to say for a friendly bloom you when they went like this is with you so you know there's no doubt that that's just fascinatingly wonderful and I'm so grateful for Young's ministry and make Nate back at you was or something in your book that you just think ma'am people got to pick up this book and read this chapter, you know, I really think the chapter about how we got where we are going really one of the Sonia opportunity to have unity in the pro-life help people that life that you are in the hallway and we have a responsibility to help you very much guys and thank you listeners without you. I got no shelf supports a list of the Truth Network prayers coming up next cycle magnet was followed by 12 o'clock so