BREAKING: High Stakes Talks Between Russia & The U.S.

Jay Sekulow breaking news high-stakes talks going on right now between the United States and Russia keeping you informed and now this is Pres. Putin is serious about trying to find a negotiated solution, but one thing is this, if were actually on my progress in these thoughts listen to their concerns.

Villas who our concerns and will see their browser progress. We want to hear from you Sharon, call 1-800-684-3110 to make actual progress. It's very hard to see that happening when there's an ongoing escalation when Russia has a gun to the head of Ukraine with 500,000 troops near its borders. The possibility of doubling that a very short order, and now your J secular four 3110.

There is a major development that is the escalating tension between Russia and its neighbors and Russia and the United States. And I say that because on Ukraine's border. There are over 100,000 troops there are bilateral talks going on right now, today I dealing with this very issue. United States President Biden had a conversation with Vladimir Putin last week where he submit the report, the readout, so to speak is what is called was that it did not go well against aces talking about significant state sanctions of Vladimir Putin's response to that is if there's a new round of sanctions, then we will in fact have a breach in our relationship.

The irony of all of this is we remove the sanctions from the natural gas line that's coming out of Russia in which will serve most of Europe that we allowed with no sanctions by the President. Biden decided that taking the pipelines here in United States.

He shut that one down and he did sign is inconsistent, but the problem is that you now have a a tinderbox literally going on in in Russia in the region as we speak.

I'm good and for this for a moment here and I think this Ukraine situation obviously is tense, but there is a unique history here and I think it would be good to kind of explain the history of Ukraine and Russia. I think we have to understand that Ukraine was at least this is the contention they were going to hear from pollutant and from the. The people who advocate the reader something of the Ukraine integrator. Russia was the heart of the Russian Empire Prince Vladimir in the 10th century is specifically in the year 988 had his people baptized and accepted Christianity from their pagan faith in the key caves of key Avenue in the Ukraine.

He sent out embassies to Rome and Constantinople to determine what form of Christianity. He wanted his people to take and remember he is center of his empire wasn't key. Have and what is now and what was then what we call the Ukraine. He went to Rome, and the Romans put on a great elaborate mass for them.

Anyone to Constantinople and the Orthodox put on an elaborate liturgy and when they embassies came back, he said, which form of Christianity. Do you recommend and the ambassador said the Romans were very beautiful, very nice.

They fed us well. They had a beautiful mass but when we were in Constantinople and we went to the church of St. Sophia. We knew not whether we were in heaven or on earth. Civil that's all I that's all I need to hear and the two apostles Jerilyn Methodius set out from Constantinople and baptized Prince Vladimir and the key in the Roos NTF in the Ukraine silver pollutant that is the heartland of mother Russia, but it is an independent country west right in the nation and get your food made the statement recently repeated from the previous year.

The greatest you geopolitical catastrophe of the 20th century was the fall of Soviet Union's goal is to try and restore some of the greatness that you perceive. Back then, so his motive is I can go back and be the strongman restore the old Soviet era kind of improper Russia and I think this part of his goal are working to get into this by way of Rick Cornell today and Mike Pompeo to discuss this. Our senior advisor for international policy or senior counsel for global affairs. So we got a lot to talk about on this loss. We come back to the brave give me an update on the Supreme Court action looked at me will do real quick upper management on the opinion in the case involving the mandate will take calls as well. Logan and comments. That's right off the ledge of right now, 1-800-684-3110. That's what 100 684-3110. Keep your voice heard on the air we do phone lines open watching unsocial you make sure you like to share and comment some of those as well again and check out ACLJ.org challenges facing Americans are substantial time and are now free to sort constitutional rights are under attack more important than ever to stay with the American Center for Law and Justice ACLJ on the front lines protecting your freedoms defending your rights in court in Congress and in the public arena and we have an exceptional track record of success.

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I want to go to Van Bennett in Washington because then you got Wendy Sherman who was the equivalent of the principal negotiators for the Iran nuclear deal, who's leading the new day in vague negotiations for the United States with Russ right now. What what what your expectations are. Dana Jackson think this is where the conversation is to start when you're talking about diplomacy from the United States and because Wendy Sherman is not a stranger to any of us.

You mentioned a second ago that she was the lead negotiator in the FMF in this Iran deal that the joint comprehensive plan of action. So today you we know what were going to get from her. She's been involved in these high-stakes negotiations before my concern and the concern that I'm here for many on Capitol Hill is that when you send the same people I with the same strategy you're going to get the same result and obviously we know what happened with the Iran in negotiations in the deal that came out of that of a J this is someone who is a hard left activist is just that it is the bottom line truth before she came into government service.

She was a director of Emily's list, which is our listeners know is a very pro-abortion activist group here in Washington DC so I think the concern is even if you have, you know, maybe different room for differences of opinion on how these negotiations should look JI think of leading with Wendy Sherman is a Costco for concern. Those meeting started last night there continuing today about I think it's probably the worst way to put a strong foot forward. There's this whole discussion about Ukraine.

It was and Sandy said historically was part of Russia than that separate but it but very it is a separate nation state is but it's not necessarily a separate nation state in the mind of Vladimir Putin and I think that matters.

Russian Pres. Leatherman Hooton has declared that the liberal idea has outlived its purpose he supports this claim by noting that the public has rejected liberal European policy stances on immigration open borders and multiculturalist so when we come to this issue, we should note, first and foremost that Hooton is a man of principle, and that the United States is led by unprincipled cosmopolitans who are prepared to make the same old arguments that have failed before with respect to Ukraine and I doubt seriously whether or not there arguments can be seen as convincing in the mind of the Russian government or the Russian people. People are asking, though, so they're having these negotiations. These issues Ukraine may be invaded.

What difference does it make to the United States and know that's a lot of people's mind. Well, it changes the world order a lot as well as international boundaries, but you perceptions are important and Vladimir Putin perceived United States as we can divide it and certainly our President. That way he regrets deeply as matter fact on December 23 he made a speech in which he said he regrets deeply what he called the disintegration of historical Russia. He is he is determined to build back some of that glory and his modus operandi is to use the excuse that somehow he is rescuing people and restoring order and we have sent mixed messages mixed signals over the years he invaded Georgia, 2008 was no recriminations from us Crimea 2014, we have removed sanctions on the Norstrom to pipeline so he thinks he can get away with this. His desire is to cut the influence of the United States to curb NATO and to try and rebuild some of the esteem of historical Russia. I do not I do not believe now. Maybe I'm wrong here, but I do not believe that even this administration is going to curb NATO no no NATO is strong, it's vital to today.

Just a really severe – that's that's why whenever Putin is tried to demand that we not enlarge NATO that Ukraine can never be considered for membership even said he wanted to tell us which truths we can place in our own NATO countries in which weapons the United States and the Secretary-General. NATO said those are nonstarter will not negotiate from that point Jake Tapper had on Anthony blank in our Secretary of State. Take a listen when you decide you say the US will respond with massive consequences to any Russian aggression in Ukraine. Pres. Biden has ruled out US unilateral troops on the ground what sanctions is the US willing to impose in our US troops as part of a NATO or international force on the table 1st comes the consequences. It's not just us who is been saying this, the G7, the leading Democratic economies, the world made clear that the massive consequences for renewed Russian aggression. So is the European Union so his NATO and we been working very closely with all these countries in recent weeks.

To elaborate those to come to agreement on the steps that we would take together. In the event of renewed Russian aggression event of renewed Russian aggression. There is renewed Russian aggression right now this is this is an interest in the face of possible renewed Russian aggression.

The Russians have amassed on the border with Ukraine over 100,000 troops, including heavy artillery, so that's happening now. Now here's the problem.

Europe could say all they want Andy about you know were really upset with Putin doing this, but they need the natural gas from that pipeline that Russia controls that tried and they're not going to do anything that jeopardizes that I think the Americans have to realize that we don't always look to our European allies to form our foreign policy of foreign policy should be phone molded and shaped based upon America first and not upon the European concept rigor now. I said this time and again in former ambassador to West Germany don't look to the Europeans as the great supporters and allies that you think that they are because their week reads and weak feathers that you're relying upon look to America, and this is something that I doubt that this President has the fortitude to do. I don't think that Boudin would've done what he is doing in the end of the prior administration whatsoever but he finds solace in the fact that, as Harry Hutchison correctly said you've got an unprincipled cosmopolitans as President of the United States and you don't have a person who takes America first as his predecessor did will be interesting to get Rick's position to discuss Rick.

In addition to being the ambassador. Germany also served in the United Nations for 10 years and of course, was the director of national intelligence standards.

A lot of discussion in Washington about the impact on this, but we've had a pipeline here that was shut down by this administration and now what you know Europe is depending upon. Of course, Putin's pipeline so you know, whatever they do is to be muted will underscore the point that Annie was making in my guess is that Rick will echo this sentiment as well. I mean, I don't think Russia believes this tough talk came in and there's a reason for them not to Pres. Biden can say all he wants that there will be severe consequences and they're gonna start with economic sanctions look like.

I think we said in the past in an economic and economic sanctions are a good place to start.

There a proper place to start if they don't get the desired action if if the if the target of the sanctions does not come into compliance.

You have to be willing to take a tougher stand out clearly the economic stations that have been on and off in different places have had an impact on the Russian economy. But J, they have not gotten the desired result. In this conflict with Ukraine and I think he asked Latimer pollutant student.

Do you believe that Pres. Biden will lead the world will lead the G7 in taking a more strenuous action should you continue to north and he was absolutely not, of course not. I mean, I think. I'm not saying that that's maybe the President will and surprise us and will I don't know what that means though.

That's the problem.

What does that actually look like because as you said west, this affects the entire world order people in the states need to worry about this and brushes an aggressive mode. That's not good for the country our country i.e. it destabilizes the world you know and and he will come in and and use whatever your opportunity has two to disrupt things and to re-create your Russian power. This is a very volatile time in Europe that Rick Nelson becomes joining us next are a senior advisor are not international affairs, national security, so he will be revising his neck very interested. He is the one who said consensus negotiations like this consensus approach to governance is not a business really good thing we have a lot of people watching right now, so you might share that we appreciate your watch about social media collectively save the radio people question or comment Scott a big topic. A lot of people wondering why they should be should care what kind of break that down for a lot of logic to perform but you do. The question or comment to make you like to make a tour post on the air.

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How does America how are Americans impacted by these decisions and I think that the reality is is that this is in Europe's neighborhood but unfortunately we been pushed into this corner where we have really bad choices and that's one of the things that I think Donald Trump gave us with an American first agenda, which was the ability did not get put into the corner where Russia is on the border of the European country we've already seen what they've done with Crimea because the and and look this goes back J to the fact that there wasn't a credible threat of military action from the Biden team.

There was a credible threat from from Trump and so you have to ask yourself why is it that North Korea and China and Russia begin to test the Biden administration in ways they never tested Trump and the answer goes to the fact what what world leaders have said to me personally which is quote we just always, didn't know what Donald Trump was going to do. So we had to wait you and that in lies the credible threat of military action. One of the issues that comes up to play the sound is is Latimer pollutant trying to reestablish basically the Soviet Union take a listen. This is that Jake Tapper interviewing secretaries that former Defense Secretary Leon Panetta said a few years ago that what he believes drives pollutant is a desire to restore the old Soviet Union, you agree. I think that's right. I think that's one of President Clinton's objectives and it is to reinsert a sphere of influence over countries that previously were part of the Soviet Union. As we said that's unacceptable. We can't go back to a world of spheres of influence.

That was a recipe for instability recipe conflict recipe that led to two world wars and riches that sounds top.

The mittens were not going to allow this. We don't want this to happen.

Meanwhile prison buying shuts down the pipeline here removes the sanctions on the Russians for the pipeline there and and then work trying to talk tough at the same time it done work look at talking top. After a series of weak decisions is ridiculous and here blank and is talking companies been put in the corner.

But what is he been doing over the last nine months he hasn't been talking tough. He's been acting weak and that's the whole problem that I have when when people say in a in a very real and right way, which is why is this current crisis in Ukraine are problem. It's our problem because we've allowed the United States has allowed themselves over the last year to have Russia bully into Europe because we've been ignoring the issue just like Obama did around Ukraine just like Obama did around Syria right when you show weakness.

Don't be surprised that you're in a corner having to choose between two bad decisions. And that's why I think we get charged up we get angry because of the slippery slope J because what does this mean next year. Where are we showing such weakness that our enemies are organizing and others are organizing against us so that next year were going to find ourselves into a world crisis mass. All because right now were acting weekend and let me just finish by saying that here's an act of weakness that were doing right now sending Wendy Sherman and to negotiate. I mean, on how many times we have to learn that she is a terrible negotiator. She negotiated with the North Koreans and got outmaneuvered they they took the food aid that she offered and didn't do a single thing that she said that they were going to do. Then she was the lead on serious he was the lead on Crimea with Russia. I mean every single time we put her in interneuron negotiation. She is the weakest negotiator possible.

She cares too much with the other side thinks of her. And so the idea that Wendy Sherman is the tip of the spear for us. I fear that we are sending another message of weakness to meet was shocking. It's I was like Obama we know it's like they got promoted in this administration and makes it worse. This is the part of the problem. These the people are doing negotiation.

Col. Smith has a question for you regular I'm not optimistic Rick that the outcome of these talks to begin and Jenae Bergen have going have a good outcome.

But, you know, pollutant is presented a draft agreement and, in that he says we can't have any NATO troops in any country previous to what we had in 1997 and that basically he's going to direct NATO deployments. I think he knows that is a nonstarter in the heat. He really is not sincere. He's probably using this as a pretext to say I will go ahead and invade Ukraine anyway. How serious do you think this Russian blueprint is and it isn't simply a pretext for invasion in Outlook is another frustration because where we've allowed ourselves to get in the situation where it's a bad decision in a worse decision and now we have to decide and give a uniform policy on critics have to give their opinion on these two issues and end the reality is I have to start the answer by saying I never would've allowed us to be in this position over the last nine months of wind given Russia all the week signs and the pipeline and so you know what it it's infuriating that were in this position of two terrible decisions. But let me just answer the question and that I think Russia and Putin are very real about jamming us because they believe that by this week so I do believe in invasion is a very real possibility. I believe that there all all turn it in, or ultimatum that we have to choose between backing down or fighting with them because were too close to former Soviet states, and that they want to have their glory days back I think that's really real, but again, we shouldn't have to be in the position of negotiating at NATO to back down because Putin is saying I'm gonna start a war if you continue this March.

I don't want to stick Russia in the eye. I don't think that NATO needs to be doing that, but NATO exists to make sure that Russia doesn't rise and we need to be able to make tough decisions on the climb so that when we get to the top were not faced with two terrible decisions like we are today. This is just not just notice it is coming from the New York Times is quote after nearly 8 hours of intense talks to US pushback on demands it said were nonstarter as well. Russia said there was no reason to fear an escalation of tensions with Ukraine and then Russian. This is Russian officials said that they told their American counterparts that they had no plans to invade Ukraine in a series of talks that lasted near the eight hours. There is no reason to fear some kind of escalate Tory scenario escalatory scenario care look away, exactly, were fine fine fine and say this is a Sopranos will say this is a success.

Rick, thank you for being with us. We appreciate art were here for another 30 minutes.

It's great to have analysis by people like Rick Grenell part of our team really give you the inside of what's going on here, but like you said you look the other way in no way it doesn't I mourn, it will be right back with more than a half-hour secular live you're watching right now. State regulation.

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Now our senior counsel for global affairs Mike Pompeo discusses all of this is happening simultaneously with one question that I had, because obviously you worry about instability and the question is, in fact Russia were to invade Ukraine and China were to invade Taiwan. What is the impact economically knows I do a different one in there sooner than what we talked about during the break because at the China wants Taiwan situation to it, and you may change the equation, but what you think.

Malone economics perspective is a professor.

The impact that would be well first I think if Russia invades Ukraine that invasion will be over within 24 to 72 hours. That's number one.

Number two I think Europe will continue pretty much as normal because they will continue to get their natural gas supply, but I also think that if China invades Taiwan. This could have a ripple effect throughout the economy because it could affect for instant access to chips and semi conductors and those things may have a long-term adverse impact on the US economy. So I think yes I can invasion would be more important in terms of disrupting economics.

What you seen curls with you seeing the statements coming out of the summit. Don't worry when I can invade Ukraine. Meanwhile, he got 120,000 or so troops there and heavy armaments. China's threatened Taiwan. They considered part of China. What's your seventh if the Russians were invade Ukraine. What happens thank you Greg good year they would.

I think it would be a longer and bloodier fight than when they took Crimea because we have armed Ukraine with some offensive weapons, but when Russia says don't worry, we won't do it.

You can't really take that check to the bank and Nikita Khrushchev and I date myself, was the premier of the Soviet Union once said promises are like piecrust are made to be broken and that this part of the Russian geopolitical mentality so I don't think we can really take their work that they will not invade Ukraine.

I think they will. It will be a long bloodier fight.

It will be ugly at the same time, it will strengthen NATO and and we will build strength with NATO and the countries that border Russia now but I think personally he is going to invade. I think all of this negotiation and talk. I think it's a pretext I think he intends to invade Ukraine and I think he thinks he can get away with in any register offices in Frostburg. The Europeans are for Law and Justice, but the sense is, I mean I think it's pretty clear that the Europeans need that natural gas they need that gas pipeline and its controller now let's try. They are vans or not they are allies against a Russian invasion of Ukraine. They don't care they're looking at their economic interests and are not looking at the interest of the United States, and my fear is that nobody is looking after the interests of the United States, least of all the President of the United States again, unprincipled, unprincipled global of a cosmopolitan nurse is looking to make sure everybody likes and that's why put Wendy Sherman up there as the negotiator because she wants to be sure that everybody likes her that's not how you negotiate from that's sort of a position in the back of the Ukraine situation. Boudin is saying that we're just going back to the status call it what it was under Peter the Great and Catherine the great. I do know that were trying to reestablish the Soviet Union were just trying to reestablish the czarist Empire. The reason I say that is because there is a Christian, overlaid all those that didn't exist in the Soviet Union. He has the support of the Russian Orthodox church has the support of the people as as Harry Hutchison said if he takes over the Ukraine. Europe is going to go on as all this is the when they say Logan that there are, you know there's all these negative consequences. Every night you look at a new one. It is really the problem is it destabilizes world order and that's what you got understand that matters United States Mike Pompeo's invitation to join us. The last segment disabling takes your calls and comments coming up. Give us a call right now 100-684-3110. If you hold stay on hold when I had 684-3110 challenges facing Americans or substantial time and are now free to sort constitutional rights are under attack more important than ever to the American Center for Law and Justice on the frontlines projecting your freedoms defending your rights in court in Congress and in the public arena and we have an exceptional track record of success.

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So why wouldn't. Why should the Europeans not worry need to want back to Baltic states and Poland and East Germany.

You know the German Republic would be now is on the Strong's economy. Certainly, from this economy in Europe and is a world-class economy.

I don't think that that's where they would go but do they update they sent troops. Vladimir Putin is showing what he wants to do. He sent troops in last week the Kazakhstan to Kazakhstan because they were having instability in the government right right and he uses that as his method of operation that I'm going into help promote stability is not going into promote stability.

Whether to Crimea in eastern Ukraine or Kazakhstan or wherever, but that's just the reason he uses his real goal is to diminish US influence to curb NATO to make Europe more dependent on Russian energy and to you know really enlarged the Russian spear of influence.

That is what he is about and left unchecked J that's what he will do the other thing that concerns me. Also, the mention Taiwan and the pot and dating. Do not put it past our three big adversaries to cooperate strategically so that about the time they were dealing with Russia and Ukraine. China will invade Taiwan and around will come forth this day they had the first nuclear device. There is there is of the real danger of strategic cooperation between the three countries so so I went to fan on this quickly here and then fan out as far as what Congress is looking at here on any of the foreign affairs committee national security will what are you hearing in Washington right now and these will I think you're here in a first of all, the echoing of concerns. Just heard from why she heard it from Rick earlier in the in the broadcasting.

In the event of multiple invasions.

J. I mean there are no great options there aren't were not suggesting that there are but in order for you have any options whatsoever. You have to have a commander-in-chief who the opposing side or the adversary believes would act. I think these committees, JE even on the Democrats. I will say this is not just a Republican thing. I think even on the Democrat side. There is not a belief that this President is willing to take another action Rick. Rick calledcredible threat from the United States. I think that's true. Russia does not believe that the present will act in the proof of that. I do think when is Wendy Sherman leading his negotiation. So look these committees J they might convene hearings they might take testimony, but look.

This ultimately comes down to the commander-in-chief. It's not something that a congressional committee can override its executive branch and here's what's interesting this just released New York Times again is a readout on the conversation so this Wendy Sherman Saturday.

That was a discussion a better understanding of each other and each other's priorities was not what we call the negotiation. Okay what are you doing there were sitting down there just Molly, and each other and stroking each other to make each other feel good. That's what Wendy Sherman wants she wants the other side to like her. She wants everybody to like her because that's what her and that's how she's been trying to milliliters left this person who's taken the position under Obama now is been promoted under Biden. You know, and then into this position would you want her negotiating a car deal for you. I wouldn't even want to buy a car for me, much less negotiating something as basic and fundamental as well as what our relationship with the Russians all over Ukraine. I think it's an absolute travesty that have her as the negotiator when you when you read that thing for the New York Times and says we just rent which is basically feeling each other out here to see how we feel were not really negotiating, then what in the world are you doing there. Here's with the dippy prime minister for Russia said we don't see an understanding from the American side of the necessity of a decision in a way that satisfies us what to talk about when the same decision a way that satisfies us as a de-escalation not of Russian Ukraine, but of NATO.

That's what they're talking about Sunni citizen ball America yeah because we are the biggest sponsor of NATO NATO has helped keep stability in Europe.

Well, I think your analysis is.

So I think God it's also important to keep in mind that the pursuit of a better understanding which apparently is Wendy Sherman's objective is not a principled object, but it is a perfect and better for for the unprincipled behavior of the Biden administration in Afghanistan on the US southern border and throughout the world. We have sent a clear and unmistakable signal to our adversaries. Now is a perfect time to strike against American interest in the technical people call me good John is calling California on line 1 John near the big a big believer in the history of chest and my wife finds track record on any of these dishes is in the toilet but my bigger issue is the fact that now they know what we know they know if they put troops there are tension our energy to focus on this issue. What's China deal. It is a in Afghanistan are they moving in just to go to the Lithia, you know. Yes sir be okay there there working together now against America, the more they can kill this nation take away our freedom, and it's almost like they put Biden office because he knew he was selling to put you in office but I will tell you where I grew up you don't take your eyes off of China West for a moment, not for one, not just because of the possibility that covert originated in intentionally.

In China, which I believe that the evidence is showing which is created world havoc and no Supreme Court decision.

As of right this moment, but also the fact that China is being very aggressive on what their intent is absolute.

Their aggressive militarily, economically, politically, and it seems that no one is checking China on this and again the thing that unites China and Russia they disagree on many things, but they are united in their desire to diminish United States influence and capabilities. China is intent on becoming the world only remaining superpower, those twin threats are very, very real, very large and you take that instrument also ran all this going on there with their nuclear program. We are we are on the verge of a true international crisis regarding these three countries in our response to that is key in critical. I think that we we we we engage in.

This would danger if we are not very specific as to where this could go. This is an interesting comment from Michelle on Facebook. What with the trump administration be doing much because I don't think Rush would be invading Ukraine. Possibly I don't think the Chinese will be going into Taiwan because projecting strength. This was a famous quote of Benjamin Disraeli as he called it diplomacy is more and when and they understand power strength is power and that they the end he was talking by the way, about Russia at the time in the Baltic, but Baltic region that was under such turmoil and he said they understand power diplomacy can be war and he but you have to have diplomatic position that has a consequence in our consequences. We lifted sanctions on the Nordstrom gas line so that the Russians you get gas to Europe.

While we close down our own pipeline here.

What he closed the pipeline here, that's our strategy.

Yeah, good strategy. Let me tell you diplomacy without the threat of death without the threat of the exercise of power is not diplomacy at all. I go back to the fact that I don't think any of Biden's advisors have ever read a history of the second world war. What led up to it who went to Munich to see Hitler Chamberlain went to Munich to see Hitler did not go to London to see Chamberlain.

That was a show of weakness. Chamberlain comes back waving a piece of paper having sold out the Sudetenland in Czechoslovakia and saying we now have peace for a time, or in our time depending on what you think. He said when he got off the airplane.

Don't they see that you cannot concede to an enemy who is a dictator who is a totalitarian and get anything out out of it in the end that is good. Don't they read history books. Don't they understand that that's not how you negotiate. You don't go over there to feel about Chamberlain goes to Munich to see how Hitler feels and they said and have coffee and tea upstairs and they chitchat and he walks away. Having sold out the checks. That's the same thing that you're saying with Wendy Sherman.

That's not negotiation but unfortunately that's what she said and she said it's not what we would call meeting would hurt the readout of decisions that they was a discussion a better understanding of each other in each other's priorities.

It was not what we would call a negotiation. So she said not a negotiation. Like you said anything.

What are we doing is not negotiation they want.

They want impact NATO that is what the goal is here and they will go to the Ukraine to try to do that because they know what the end, this ministration will do nothing. I'm not advocating by the way that we get into some armed conflict. I think that's a mistake to but there could have been better. Sanctions is better thought out. I think it's a failure of foreign policy loan, my pumping is coming up Senior Counsel ACLJane former tri-state Mike Pompeo will be joining us will be a fascinating conversation fairly soon as he saw his great contents of Rick rails been content all the family for ACLJ.only one. A society can agree most vulnerable invoice. Is there any hope for that culture to survive. And that's exactly what you are saying the American Center for Law and Justice right to life. We've created a free powerful publication offering a panoramic view of the ACLJ's battle for the unborn will show you how you are personally publication includes all major ACLJ were fighting for the rights of pro-life activist ramifications 40 years later Planned Parenthood's role in the history and what Obama care means many ways your membership is powering the right question mission life today online/challenges facing Americans is sort constitutional rights are under attack more important than ever to stay with the American Center for Law and Justice on the frontlines checking your freedoms defending your rights in court in Congress and the public exceptional track record of success. But here's the bottom line we could not do her work support. We remain committed to protecting your religious and constitutional freedoms that remains our top priority, especially now during these challenging times. The American Center for Law and Justice is on your side, you're already a member. Thank you. Well, this is the perfect time to stand with us ACLJane.where you can learn more about her life changing, member today ACLJ and we are joined by our senior counsel of global affairs and what appropriate time for that to be Mike Pompeo, former Secretary of State Mike, thanks for being with us. I want to get your analysis, Wendy Sherman just said in this discussion between Russia and the United States that's going on this what you said today was a discussion a better understanding of each other each other's priorities is not what we call a negotiation course we rhetorically asked the question if it's not negotiation.

What is it hard to know I hear you had bladder recruitment. There are time to exercise coercive diplomacy, but he might go with a very clear mission, a very clear objective and know exactly the things that they're prepared to give up in exchange for things that want our team is armed with the same level of specificity, but the discussion that just wanders around the room talking about history are talking about what happened. What they have Artie taken place, the leaders of done that they should come with a set of clear outline what each side was repaired to do in order to achieve an outcome that made sense for their own people. I hear J that when I hear Sherman talk about the ethical of the de-escalation is almost always by publicly calling for de-escalation that is losing it.

Prepare decay because that something, certainly not provided a good Mike what you think.

The objective of Vladimir Putin is here.

I mean we got 120,000 troops now is reported to be on the border of Ukraine including heavy armaments you were in the military and put heavy armaments. Tammy could be just a show of force. What you think the objective is visited visited the de-escalation he wants de-escalation of nano was or something else yet trying to limit the capacity of NATO to build up democracy.order suite is not just here we see this in Georgia, the we saw what happened to Belarus.

Now several months back we supported the dictator there. We now know the right folks into Kazakhstan. This is Vladimir Putin and his vision for re-creating some understanding about his new bride in the Soviet Union use coercive power. Real power sitting at a table in Geneva to demand that the pilot ministration in a given precisely what it is thinking more influence in those places and the ability to influence both economies ultimately help build out his oligarchy and make Russians safer, more secure, at the expense of the West's got a question for each of one things I'm concerned about with this lesson. You can talk with the sec. this is the Ukraine populace has significant went with the executive reporting 50% from Russia. I don't know if that's the number but all that plays into this. It does this is complicated very very calm. I'm wondering the sec. you know what delete what can we bring to the table that will actually deter Putin and and stop this potentially basic as many people believe that because of his demands concerning NATO that he knows were not going to agree with that.

And so as to pretext that he will invade what are the things we can bring to the table that might get his attention, so he will not invade, and secondly if he does, and person. I think you will what should our response be anything that we can increase but we've not demonstrated any willingness to do them permitted from his soil are pipelines in the southeast of United States to be shut down.

We did not think we now is becoming one of the primary providers of the level natural gas inside of Germany into pipeline when you see that the other party talking about shrinking the defense budget, both of the things that appears right with wheat we raise the defense budget.

We were beginning to read modernize our nuclear program. We would be given when he was breaking. Most are so many things that we can do that make it clear to be too costly for him. That includes of course arming the Ukrainians giving them the tools they need to push back and make it expensive to make sure that Russians love to fight and die. If they try to do what they did in Crimea. Both of the things one can do to change the character of the mass providing the pollutant to date ministration is not demonstrated a willingness to do that play a soundbite that we played earlier that is a question it was from Jake Tapper to your successor and Sec. statement is Anthony Boykin who was asked the question and coming of something Leon Panetta said about the Vladimir Putin basically trying to build back a greater Russia take a look if you would listen to the question and answer and I will ask you, former Defense Secretary Leon Panetta said a few years ago that what he believes drives. Putin is a desire to restore the old Soviet Union, you agree. I think that's right.

I think that's one of President Clinton's objectives and it is to reinsert a sphere of influence over countries that previously were part of the Soviet Union.

As we said that's unacceptable.

We can't go back to a world spheres of influence. That was a recipe for instability recipe conflict recipe that led to our two world wars to get your sense of that Mr. Sec., do you agree with Leon Panetta and Anthony Boykin figures right now that the objective would weld could well be the return to the old style Soviet Union throughout the regular power in the nation for Russia. I looked that good at decreasing population, they are largely resigned to being a country that depends on for nearly all of their GDP that they know they need to continue to exert economic pressure and political control of the country on the in order to maintain their grip on power inside of Russia itself clear. The greatest catastrophe of the last entry with the dissolution. I think he knows he can't put it back where it was coming back in the same way that they were the 70 he wants that extended the deep economic and political interest in achieving that Mike for our listeners here in the United States we was result of United States why should Americans care is really pretty straightforward.

The values that America tried to help human rights issues, making sure the country to make efficient self is also central notion of the rule of law that that is an awful lot to the United States.

We don't let nations use military force to cross sovereign boundaries is why we care about our southern border like this is America we want tech and it's important that the idea that each country can make the Ukrainian people). Many of them that would like to be close to the Russia peridot.

That's what that's what they should do through their democratic institutions. Ukraine work that out wheat we have to make sure that idea that you can use course you could use military you can use power to subject people not in your country stamped out and forever read from the world wheat we think that having that at any risk, but I find that I like our partners that Europe or Israel wheat. We know that the idea of nationstates we have collected themselves without military force used to suppress them is really important really got about 30 seconds left and I need ask you this note.

You're tough negotiator and serve our country so well continue to how tough are the Russians in their negotiations that they know what they want. They know that they are prepared to take a realistic look at it I thought it Ukraine. I thought it. We'll get your way means that the right real tough appreciated my pumping for Sec. Stacy accounts for global affairs. The ACLJ thanks for being with us. We just say you heard today from leading experts in the world about these topics in the part of our team here at the ACLJ support of the ACLJ makes it all happen. I get a huge thank 2021 was a great year. We have some major initiatives for 2022. That will be unfolding allowable impact domestically and internationally.

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