Hope for the Caregiver

To hope for the caregiver.

This is Peter Rosenberger. I'm glad that you're with us. This is the nation's number one show for the family caregiver for those individuals who are putting themselves daily between a level with the chronic impairment and even worse disaster how to help those folks look like let's talk about those impairments.

Maybe it's Alzheimer's or some other form of dementia sparked maybe it's autism. Did you see where the autism rate in New Jersey is soaring.

Maybe if cerebral palsy maybe it's a mental illness. Maybe it's trauma a traumatic brain injury. Maybe it's addiction, alcoholism is a chronic impairments. All of those things and so many more are requiring individuals to somehow surround that individual that that is dealing with that impairment and help them stay out of it even more horrific situation and we we ask about how that impaired level is doing but do we ask how the caregivers doing do we know what it looks like do we know what to ask. Do we know what help.

Looks like that caregiver. This is what we talk about on this. You and the reason we do it is because if the caregiver goes down. What happens to the loved seats. Always a two-for-one deal. And so this shows committed to speaking to the heart of that caregiver who was fighting for special needs children to get a quality education in a public school, who is fighting against home healthcare agencies that don't want to do what what you hope that they'll do who is fighting against hospitals or medical staff who were charging things or whatever and you gotta fight those bills. Sometimes a command that are done that over the years I've been obscene charges on my wife statement my wife had 80 surgeries, both legs if you do this been going on since Reagan was present and are seeing things on the hospital bill that were like blow what is this all about, and I would fight with hospital and medical providers on this now. I get a degree in music.

They didn't teach me how to do all that in music school. I'm just saying. So how are you doing with all that, how are you holding up while you're doing that this is where you are. If you're struggling with this.

This is the place for you. 888-589-8840 888-589-8840 if you want to be a part of the show and share your own experiences with the share your frustration with a bugler cry if you want to just vent. This is the place for you and we hope that you will take advantage of this because there's nothing like this on the air across the whole country and we would love for you to be a part of the show. 888-589-8840 and as usual I like to like to start off with a Scripture to sell the sums for this very very short Scripture Galatians 62 Galatians 62 by noticing off top.

Probably heard before, but you may not know the reference of Galatian sixes of Paul's letter to the church in Galatia. He said bear one another's burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ as my Scripture we've all heard no let me just say as caregivers to speaking to us. It's hard to bear someone else's burden if you don't know what they are.

If you don't know what they're carrying or how they're feeling or what this is doing to that if you can't see them much less their burden, hard to bear. When you say so I out of a been writing some articles lately that and I've got one coming out.

There was a tragedy this week that happen and in Minnesota a minority owner of the Vikings was found in his home and he had evidently shot and killed his wife, who lives with dementia. They been married for 60 years she's been in a wheelchair and declining pretty significantly that he turned the gun on himself. Now the this is happening. I first heard about this as a as a young man when I was a friend of mine's grandfather did this to her grandmother who had a pretty drawnout illness and he chose this path for a minute we could we could explore the reasons all day long on it, but I was I was reading on some stuff about this and a woman in the psychiatrist down in South Florida said in Florida alone.

This is increased 10 fold in the last 30 years. People are becoming extremely distraught. And in that depression and that heartache they they make tragic choices and so how do you speak into that it is.

There are other warning signs can we intercept that. Can we speak life into that. Can we give them a fighting chance. I say we can't can't solve it can't fix everything that we could certainly give them a fighting chance that at least speak into it to bear one another's burdens so that I give you a few things we could just talk about here so you can, no see if this resonates with you was a caregiver for those who are not caregiver so you know how to better connect the caregivers under what's coming going on with particular you pastors. I spent a lot of time talking to pastors and clergy of the son of a pastor and he I watched them do it right when dad just did. He really got the journey of pastoring people would speak into their their heartache and their misery and their frustration. And today it seems all too many clergy members are detached their Cigna date that you know they focus on their job description versus then there's no such thing as a man-made job description for a pastor if you're called to the ministry than your job description is what God calls you to do on this and it's and understand pastors need a break.

III get all that. Okay, let's don't miss don't get out the weeds on that II just know that we have a responsibility to test Galatians Paul to sit in Galatians. Bear one another's burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ. That means you can carry what I carry with my wife. You can't do that I have to do that. That is my responsibility, but it does mean that you can see an address and speak into with very with great clarity and specificity into the lives of people who were struggling and offer them practical help and a path to safety, but you gotta see it first. Well if you want to be on the show. 888-589-8841 and will go over couple these things throughout the show today of what that looks like an and I will tell you there are three core issues that affect every caregiver at some point and these three core issues if not intercepted will lead to even greater heartbreak that may not go all the way down to what happened in the news this week. But make no mistake, it will lead to heartbreak, greater heartbreak that they're already dealing with and one of those is his isolation and you hear me talk about this a lot of the show. That's why we do the show bodily because caregivers by definition are isolated in landlocked and ends in caring for someone and make can't get out and caregivers can feel isolated in a crowded room. Caregivers can feel isolated, autocratic, I sort of talk about that motive for you would be a part of this 888-589-8840 888-589-8840. This is Peter Rosenberg.

This is hope for the caregiver that conviction that we can live a calmer and healthier, more joyful life while dealing with harsh reality, back to you more about the show for caregivers about caregivers hosted by caregivers.

This is the nation's number one show for those who are putting themselves between vulnerable of one of the worst disaster somebody with a chronic impairment you're doing. You're putting yourself between that person and even worse are you feeling I do 888-589-8840 888-589-8840 door talking about what to look when you're dealing with someone who is going through these things.

And as my custom on the show. We have a lot of things will talk about but we will come to a screeching halt and weave in calls because if if it's on your mind with you, even if it's all subject on this will talk about okay they will swerve back into what we were going back for if it was something different. So let me just grab one call real quick. Tammy Damien Tennessee good morning Tammy how are you feeling are you feeling Tammy will well it's am not convinced Tammy that you hanging in there. You really are right I am right now.

There were not and are acting like Oliver what gallon it will really have a lot on light April I can win ignorant have a daughter document and style and a lot to do this.

Mark Manton community keeps me going and I think the hardest current lightly and we had a really serious winter here get dreary and failing to scale back isolated (forgotten in out because everybody else is made in awning your stock show so I definitely have those currently stay at that he did not know how long he can keep an eye on where you want to do in your lifetime, but you can do it for 24 hours exactly. That's that's awake. That's what we have to look at it is absolutely requested. Tammy issue? Did you see that report about the spike of autism in New Jersey on know it was it came out like yesterday or the day before limits like out and suddenly it's the number one state in the country that's doing this and it's like you way off the chart, think of what's going on in New Jersey with this dialysis with autism and do you think do you think that you think there are significantly more cases are we diagnosing it better in a number of years off and on at the same people hot by the way, I think you're absolutely better diagnostic and we know a lot more than we care that gave think they are a lot more children now been there yesterday why I don't now environmental factors that I definitely think you're more when I fiscal noted that many could isolate the type of disorder like cutting out it wasn't fair writing now lately think there are a lot more kids now, and in that world felt him I had a friend hey when my daughter likes mental state teacher and she tell me that Agnes is taking it looks like amount on it and she could only seen one child.

She had kind of The development of the Fidelity only thing one child presented and now died at the state teacher before she retired.

She said she had like 250 somebody he work and netiquette how it there absolutely more children with developmental delay. She and I miss you two more questions were coming out on Easter was how has your faith sustains you through this flight absolutely keeps me going on.do you have that hope that you know it's not on Bayside. On the other. I'm gonna have a better understanding and and get to hear her speak to me and really count me in on what it like I'm hungry and that's what I long for.

Because when you do when you get with you know it. I don't want to say it mental illness, that there are definitely things that can act like a practicum pump disorder and other things that are hard to understand and manage an and I know it is hard for her. If it is for me know and that's what keeps me gone my faith that now. Got any show me and give me an answer someday. Thanks you. If you could say that other log people… You all of the country. If you could say one thing, or maybe a couple things to first off pastors.

What would that be an ally now electric and we really are and I know I know there lots of energy. Just like everybody else and an arm that there's here.com. There's so much more that we had in common family count on. It takes a while to get now it and you nonmonotonic individuals with doctors and can be a little standoffish and hard to get Connecticut's work and also wanted to know that everybody in the disability community has something to offer if not just about what they can get back, it's what we can get back on it I have learned so much and got it taught me countless gifts through her and and I think the world technician out on a lot of that when they come in clay docket. You don't think that there's like to mind that a little bit more because I think that there's this presupposition that you're going to go to church to be ministered to and along that we are going to church.

Edward ministry to this the Scripture for the bear one another's burdens were going to church to minister to each other and everybody has something to offer of of watched Gracie struggle to get up stairs to seeing in front of churches when they have all the stairs going up and here she is into prosthetic legs, and you know and of watched her struggle to get up the stairs and I think it never occurred to the designer of these facilities that you know people with disabilities would also have something to offer from that plat. Of course the date they give Republic think that the pastor regular broken legs help, but it's a what would you say to other church members as a parent of a child with autism happened.the question I wanted. I don't want them to shout. Why you never treat us like lacquer. You know that I know it might be awkward unusual that you just say hello and welcome to now and I'll answer anything that and that'll Get to know each other. I didn't pick it that some churches are more conservative another's week. We had a very supportive church and work my ankle but you will have people take to shy away and get an adult that might keep that different and and I just wanted to be more comfortable, more than you know. But none of that are perfect none of pressure without disability think he will fetch if we all got something funky don't wish well you know I got out I will I go back to this I go back to this isolation topic that we just addressed the first segment, the caregivers can feel isolated in the crowded room we can fill isolated on a crowded pew and you have just reinforced that that concept. You can be sitting there in church everybody else's and victory Jesus and you could feel so excluded and so alone. Is that a fair assessment that they're not alternating. What we were isolated by nature, what work Ellen) and we even get awkward were having to set apart how much that we now had it going on anymore. I felt bad that mom picked them because I'm trying to learn how to specialize in a week without a love that bobbed his idea that inherited from my job down to get awkward turning telethon on Elbit committee Whitney you know it makes me cannot quite talk even more where I don't reach out when I'm not only okay I'll just take that risk and do it first and I will reach an idea To know that there comfortable enough for me to be an advocate I'm kinda open a window that does both life for my child understand the world. The new friend will better affect the world have to be able to reach back in and when she does reach out that the satellite and that. If we can just understand each other a little better laugh at ourselves a little better in a chattering and not we just got be able to do that get more comfortable and on that is incredibly insightful.

Gracie, I love to hear from folks who been doing this for a while, you know you got some you got some real longevity in this 20 your daughters 25 years old last question before we go to bodily out here break to this new family that is stepping into the world of altars and for the first time.

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They got the diagnosis that it's okay there whole world knows is dealing with this reality to this new family. What would you say and just about manage talent. Don't try to recapture get report their aunt to contractors all over the place. You can Google it for hearing kinda chaotic and panicking.org `they offered at how representative on the line with Ray sorted calendar contact Eva can't obviously have all the resources you offer on Dell do it alone on the got to get support letters. Other parents get someone to chat with him at a cocktail if he can't get Kayla support, meaning there so much online on Facebook great and think and be careful what you dig in Québec and expertly get past the safe get there. If the church hasn't shut you out analogy happened to a lot of in the past, at least parents with a child with autism because it is hard to understand that churches are getting better there, get more. I've been there. They are creating more understanding and by the way, I have a standing invitation to remind folks this have a standing invitation on this show. If you're engaged in a really good church that is disability friendly particular this case autism.

Let us know so I want you Tammy tell us what church you go to that I want to share that church out here so with people they listing hearing will be able to go on my First Baptist Church in Henderson, Dale Arden, First Baptist Church of Turk and Saville first Tennessee expenditure will not account manager right now for you over help with a lot… Young adults with altars that were to be listened, thank you very much for the call.

I really do appreciate it and thank you for your insight and thank you for just your heart. Hey, this is hope for the caregiver. This is the nation's number one show for the family caregiver. We are so glad with us and this is what it's all about. Here was bear one another's burdens. 888-589-8840 888-5888 for this Peter Rosenberg will show for caregiver about hosted by I am Peter of this is hope. The caregiver conviction that we as caregivers can live a calm or, healthier, and dare I say it more joyful life that we can walk through these very difficult circumstances, sometimes of the valley of the shadow of death, which can be a very long valley we can do this with a little bit more calmness little bit more joy. We really can't but we cannot do it alone. If you would be a part of the show. This is your time. 888-589-8840 888-589-8840 love that less call from Tammy Edberg to put that up on the podcast of the podcast both good hope for the caregiver.com. You can set up for the podcast is free, and I'll put Colson to show the whole show special clips sometimes. Sometimes a put special music therefrom. Gracie and just different things that we have out there and it's at. Hope for the caregiver.com. My book is there seven caregiver landmines is my new book hope for the caregivers. But before that, I got a CD of their code songs for the caregiver which is interspersed with some some shields of the Gracie singing some of the original tuner to an an interest up at all kinds of resource of the bow. If you haven't heard Gracie saying the girl can really do it and you could check it how she could really sing and love that voice. So we were putting so many things out there for you as a caregiver, would you take advantage of it. Don't try to do this in the isolation of of your own journey and that all these things really take advantage of it and if you want to be a part of the show. 888. Here's an upper 888-589-8840 is it slower for those you and McDuck at 888-589-8848 if you were McDuck. It is well that is just repeated McDuck I listened not, let's go back to what we are discussing a little bit because a board of these three core issues that affect every caregiver at some point and it's going to if there if there left unaddressed the lead to even greater heartbreak and we touched on that little bit with with the call from the last segment with Tammy isolation will say this again. Caregivers can feel isolated in a crowded room they can feel isolated on a crowded pew. And if we don't speak into that isolation, then we we are not helping that we are not, as is Paul says in Galatians were not bearing one another's burdens that we can't fix their problems but we can grab the bother he and let them know that they are welcome in our church there welcome in our lives. Asked them how are they doing all it takes is a couple of steps down a very dark staircase before caregivers will will will descend into some really horrific choices and it and all it takes from us is just a little bit of a flashlight to stay.

Here's a steps backup, listless, back appear just reach out to ask with specificity don't just say are you doing wait for the answer boarded on the answer.

No, not really want to know how you feeling I see the magnitude of what your caring. I see the heartbreak of what you do it.

I hurt with you. I don't know that I can help you with it, but I want to be here with you in it. This is what our Savior did for us in our own dysfunction in her own disability in our own disease of sin, and he reached into our isolation with his nail scarred hands and pulled us to safety pulled us to salvation.

How can we be stingy with that. I'm not asking you to die for someone I'm just asking you to say hi to someone I'm just simply, it is Tammy said get to know them get to know that they're going to feel awkward it it it. She said he owed her daughter has autism. She has monism she so locked in on dealing with this. And sometimes she feels awkward. Let's let's take away that stigma let's let's reach into it. Let's as believers. Let's show the model for what this is, of how to speak into people's pain and suffering their hoarding 888-589-8840 888-589-8840 so isolation is the first would hang on just a second. What is it I heard this Rick Rick's summative virginity heard of some opposes of them said Claritin 316 no pollen formed against me shall prosper, though it's that wonderful double year. Despair is the second isolation is the first would despair is the second caregivers tortured themselves with things that have been even happened and we live out of the wreckage of our future now will stare down the highway and will see what's coming, or lease we think we do, and it's just to much for an already crushed heart is just too much and sometimes a crushed body of the were just were just worn slam out and when you have despair, resentment, rage and fear, constantly lurking around and caregivers simply can. Not fight those things alone.

They just can't.

And yet they are condemned to that so many times, often by the church who's not reaching into that they don't recognize I don't speak into it they don't for whatever reason, no comfortable.

I don't know, but they don't see it.

So I'm giving them the vocabulary I'm giving caregivers the vocabulary of what help. Looks like to them so that they will raise their hand and ask for that help and receive it, and I'm giving none caregivers the vocabulary of what help. Looks like to a caregiver and hopefully inspire them to to offer it went went went when when you're faced with what you think is the inevitable darkness can just engulf you as a caregiver, edit it, and that by the way it respects no age. Just last week a bit of this just we just couple days ago I told you about this. This 77-year-old caregiver and his wife. She had dementia. Susan Susan very declining health of interest. It was it was a really tragic situation there.

There incredibly wealthy people. He was a part owner of the Minnesota Vikings and he shot and killed her, then killed himself, but the last year just last August, a 28-year-old mother shot and killed her severely disabled seven-year-old before unsuccessfully tried to take her own life and into the sea of father beat his nonverbal son with autism to death while the mother watched despair. It it it it it will actually consume people that isolation, despair, then there's 1/3 when we get to that in just a minute but I want to jump just real quick and take a call here from Marion Kentucky Mary good morning Mary how you feeling good morning, how are you are just impressions great.

Well I'm glad to hear that Mary, what's going on with well don't have all.

And I don't have a child with autism, but I had done volunteer work. Worked with children who had problems with learning speak walking skating the whole 9 yards, and I asked the teacher before I started.

If I could work with a single one at a time and she allowed me through the big year there was one child in particular. Every time he walked into the school room he buried her face in the skirt of the teacher because of her shyness.

What one morning when I will spare the teacher tell me what you said and I began to child command.

As usual, she buried her face in skirt of the of the teacher and the teacher called her by name and she looked up to her.

She said we have a new skin again here today that would like to know you and work with you child looked up to her. She said may take you thinking yes hello what the teacher reported Canadian tell the child will come over to me when the child walking to me. He walked extremely well. I think we lost Mary her phone could help but I appreciate I would've asked her why she volunteered what what was the driving. What was the inspiration for volunteering.

I think that this is such a amazing thing with people volunteer to do this the love that we have a new student here who be yeah and I love this mansard sums out of the call got disconnected.

I'm sorry for that but I limit go to Mark in Texas market good morning how you feeling arm by Imperial pretty good today how you feel greater well I'm doing all right.

Are you sure you're all right yeah yeah I'm I'm I'm doing good and your your programs helped out a lot. What's globally well. I wanted to address number of things that you talk about last week. You start talking about proper way of handling firearms in and kicked absolutely in a house and I want you not.

I just wanted to make sure that the people understand it with firearms. Is that freedom that we have, and with freedom comes responsibility and to the degree that the responsibility as a nap directed Rita freedom is lost and I've been an avid shooter for many years. Well I was more shooter years ago. I shoot my canal, but the actually shot competition actually combat competition and nobody knows more about the responsibility of carrying a firearm than a person who is shooting a lot and anyone will tell you that it is important that responsibility well.

It is not a place we got to go to break if somebody if your pastor came, you said hey I got a family member. The foundation, the Alzheimer's of both the she doesn't know how to secure the weapon he doesn't know how to secure the would you jump at the chance to help do it absolutely. I think that's I don't that's what I'm talking about. That is a valuable thing to do. That's how we can bear one another's burdens let safety and secure these weapons. Mark I gotta go to break with thank you for reminding us again the importance of of securities. We do have a responsibility to do it and he forgot to carry.

We got to secure the we gotta say to help one another.

Do it otherwise.

Particular labels were your help somebody walk for the first time I've had that privilege many times through our organization.

Standing with hope when my wife Gracie gave up both of her legs follow this horrible Rick that she had as a teenager and she try to save them for years and if it just wouldn't work out. And finally she relinquished him and thought wow this is that I'm not heavy legs anymore. What can God do with that and then she had this vision for use in prosthetic limbs as a means of sharing the gospel to put legs on her fellow amputees and that's what we been doing now since 2005 was standing with hope. We work in the West African country of Ghana and you can be a part of that through supplies through supporting team members through supporting the work that we're doing over there. You could designate a limb.

There's all kinds of ways that you could be a part of giving the gift that keeps on walking and standing with hope.com would you take a moment ago understanding with hope.com and see how you can give they go walking and leaping and praising God. You could be a part of that@standingwithhope.com show for caregivers about caregivers hosted by caregiver, I am Peter Rosenberg bring three decades of experience to stay strong and healthy as you take care of someone is not 888-589-8840 888-589-8840 Martin text appreciate so much you bring that reminder so have good quick break. There, but that is 1 More Way that we can help another bear these things and we could help protect each other just safety the weapons and fewer about what you will be on the show. 888-589-8840 and you heard of our we talk about standing with the and I was so excited. We had a big shipment picked up yesterday were heading over to Africa with it and my wife would you give up both of her legs wanted to use that tragic event to do something extraordinary and so we started working with the government of Ghana to teach and equip their folks there on how to build and maintain quality prosthetic limbs for their own people and part of that is, as we have a prosthetic limb recycling ministry where we collect used limbs that come from all over the country and go to a local prison in Tennessee and inmates volunteer to disassemble them for so we can always out of the screw level at times and we can recite.

I called operation footloose lectern at footloose we could recycle and wit that we purchase other materials and said all this over there loosen teams of their retraining and there's all kinds of things been going on for 15 years close to it and go out and take a look standing with.com stating with.com and you can be a part of that would love you to be a part of that in the view would help sponsor leg. If you want help sponsor equipment or supplies resin, you know, all because of things we have to purchase and do over there but it give you a gift that keeps on walking. They go walking and leaping and praising God and yell telling buddy this. This was a really funny story.

One time I was talking to Franklin Graham about an and I said we got so many people standing over there looks like a been a hidden crusade being played backwards and you know he cut his dislocated left the up billet yellow tell anybody but I thought it was steady without.com stating with hope., and I want to get to this last for thinking more cozily get this last thing here because we talk about isolation. We talked about despair, then the third. What is lack of eye contact. Now those of you who are dealing with autism in your family know that that's a hard thing is eye contact, but caregivers also have a hard time with eye contact. If you visit a caregiver asked them how they were doing and watch and see if they look in the eye when they respond lot in terms of just look at their shoes or caster gaze in another direction.

And I'm asking you to just be patient with them and engage them, help them see you.

Make sure that they know you're seeing them every caregiver deals with identity loss on some level, and they have a hard time speaking using the word I will say we are you doing well.

She just got home from the hospital. He had a bad nighter you have that kind of thing I want caregivers learn to speak in their own voice used our they may stammered stammered out, or they may cry when they do it. Please be gentle with them. Please be kind with them don't.

Don't be a rush, let them get it out. However, they need to get it out. If you'll notice one verse things and out of American family Association did an interview with me in the Journal that came out last month. This is what can callers expect Woodlake when you call here, I would ask you, how are you feeling and I left a bit amazed that some people without little asked that question and they'll start off with the God talk you know this, so I'm just blessed but I really hate my mother with a dull start off with obvious bliss but but I really hate the stuff but are you really feel about it is no wrong answer. This is how you feel. Let's let's beat Frank about how we feel and and then asked that caregiver. They think it may been weeks month message from somebody that asked about the caregiver when you ask about them you're giving them a fighting chance to get back up that dark stairway back up to a place of safety. Okay, we just would you do that for me and not for me to do that. As Paul said bear one another's burdens so that we will fulfill the law of Christ. This is our mandate. This is our mandate from our Savior, who has done that for us.

Don't be stingy with what do you have that you haven't received just ask about artist go to Stephen in Tennessee Stephen good morning, how are you feeling good what's going on with people they had on their autism and got caught my attention. The first lady because stated units that and and my son is 17.

Right now he has Asperger's, autism, and the thing is that you know we don't not find a lot of places that can deal with people at his age I'm dealing with.

You know they want to know started late with him and thank you you know for pregame before we figured, you know how to go – quick question. Did you hear what she said and out of good autism Tennessee. That's one resource if you can contact them. No, I haven't, but with everything on your driving, it will all to put this out about this.

I'll put this out on the on the website on the podcast is you go to the podcast there the website, subscribe to this free and it'll be in that link as well. Autism Tennessee Biddle be there okay but it's pretty easier Tennessee. Your son has autism.

Autism Tennessee okay second-guessing other people about my problem, want to encourage people to know that you know maybe 17 and he has altered human life that people give up on a kid like that and out, but my son to get straight A's and and has nothing to do with intelligence like that you know and it you know it. He also has a job so don't give up on your kids things and don't give up on yourself in a matter it does the BS you another couple questions here what party to see you in East Western middle West Tennessee Weston see you in a good church situation. No movement a lot of things crying out find one good question.

I knew that. Well that's good to be a big part of your life is finding a church home where you guys can be a part of that community and that caring community and gives your church a chance to grow as well, to be alert to to interact with you guys of I tell you what, I'll bet you that if you reach out to First Baptist Church of Hendersonville, Tennessee were Tammy goes that's pretty big, big church up there.

I'll bet you don't know a sister church in your area that they can help connect you with that in our and you just call them up and and tell them you heard Tammy talk about them in and her daughter and on my radio show and just say look I need a church home in my area who do you recommend and I would go out a limit. I'll tell you that First Baptist Church of Hendersonville will probably be happy to help you find a church and those you will listen up there if if you have a church home that you engage with that. You feel like is a strong disability ministry that is a caring church for people with special needs, and all those kinds of things this the place to talk about to call up and let us know so we can tell people about it.

We want people to be involved in church if they're not where were really fallen down on our job here and if your church is not doing this. It's time for the church to have that conversation number one it if they're not willing to do it. It's to have beautified a different church is just that simple. Stephen, I appreciate your call about this I hear your heart and that that this is been a quite a challenge. Yet your pushing on what is some to those caregiving dads out there. Stephen there. We fret how to care mom with the child with autism.

Now we have a dad, what would you say specifically to men. Is there something you would want or of that you would want to hear as a man, what would you what what what you want that to be well first of all there involved in their children's lives in thinking that you know sometimes have children with disability that learned this the hard way.

You know that that we tend to give them devices and get them things and not occupied their attention when they really want your attention because of the struggle to use it is that you had learn to grow into something that you are younger, younger, they should do that. But as you grow older you get wiser you know it your years and thank them with experiences and you know you know that's why we do need people that like the lady that says she has a 25-year-old and things that help people that are in early stages or maybe in my mental state I guess you think you know where will it with people like that you never your job as a parent you know really never ends. You know you're all wet.

It manages contract with that would let you know that's that that's good that's good work in its spending time with the don't just give him a videogame just because it keeps him quiet. Spend time with them. It takes a lot of work to do. But that's that's that's where the real growth happens is what I hear you saying is that pretty accurate assessment. Yes. Listen Stephen up to Harry but take all the credit either one leasing you know and it also does take not the same thing for those who are single parents who are not. I'm not a single parent my wife married for 11 years and a huge impact heard her abilities and thanks again for working with low practice for the name of the company or whatever but it's paid caregiver for adult male and a appreciate you recognizing her were up against the now we gotta go. Stephen then appreciate you very much taking the time to call and this is hope for the caregiver and Steve and I do appreciate it very much. I'll put all this out and are podcast hope for the caregiver.com will see you next the views and opinions expressed in this broadcast may not necessarily reflect those of the American family Association for American family radio