A fabulous show with the Count of Mighty Disco - My Sidekick, John Butler!

On the general this is Peter Rosenberger. This is hope this is the nation's number one show on Sirius XM 131 were also broadcasting on Facebook live on hope for the caregivers watched the show and we are glad you are with us today had to do through the holidays as a caregiver coming out of that that work out for you. Did you survive it, or did you find some joy in it and we talked a lot about that going into it. Did you find things that that were deeply meaningful to you.

Did you were you able to to have moments for you as a caregiver and I would love to hear from you on that.

If you want to call into the night of the show. It's 877-655-6755 that's 877-655-6755 and will be glad to have that conversation with you speak of having conversations you know and you love him.

He's the mayor of the board. He is the salt of the sale. He's the Earl of engineering.

He's the man who's never been slapped by the Pope. He is John Butler. The count of muddy disco or frequent. I don't know how to take out all of the wonderful title that one is well.

It's true though that's absolutely it is absolutely true.

You have never been sly, that is, that I haven't yet. I've been writing really like my okay my my grandparents in their house had a picture of them meeting the Pope might framed and finally got it to me. The Pope just want to meet. Okay absolutely yeah but they were.

He was my grandfather was very proud of that picture that we cannot hold off on watching the Pope slapped. I think it was kind of cool man.

I mean, he got a little bit gangsta with and know he was actually going to contact.

Sorry I can't really comment this one I'm dumbfounded at this point might come on will know this. He was going to the receiving line. This one lady just try to grab his hand and he he pulled back at its left hand of the kata strutted off okay, Jack. And no, he didn't think about the just, you know you like that you bet me a picture of hidden gravity of the popular handbook wicked. It was just kind of watch that you never seen anything like this right you have the Pope things are okay. So these are quote from John Butler.

You might want to write I know is that thing." Right you got me a wonderful Christmas and I got a book of Dow Jones right and I got one for you today. I told you you can have one every week. Oh yeah, until a man is that we run the good ones here is that we not had a good one not known okay at this, so I actually I figured out I forget recently what ET short for PT right is familiar with what it short for should I ask her to visit require mean you know I hit ET everybody just got those little bitty legs eat T what each one is ET short for the discussion of any legs extraterrestrial now but he's just a short because he just got the links Peter, this is not hard to get this because he just got their short little legs. What is ET short short leg alien was physically sure like it did when I know that right okay I was in a different place that is wrong right so I is that of law gives this. Yeah, there really is okay so where we are to find out anyway how was your holiday there. Really got everybody off. We had a great New Year's time and then Grayson went back to Nashville on Thursday and my sister and her husband went back Friday night they took the redeye in their family. They took the redeye Friday night out like 1130 so we were out but way up on top of the mountain and it was, the Lord of the rings view and we were looking for the fires of God door you think it's a bit lit cut Dragon I think about snowmobile for that and then get all packed up and got the airport and it was it was good it was.

It was good time in and out. You know you hate to see people leave EHC come to the end but it still Christmasy out here.

You guys have been to Christmas out that little of it out there so warm and wet. It has I okay so there where white flurries earlier today but it was like 44° was just a consequence of whatever weirdo atmosphere was going on but yeah it's been nothing warm and wet so Marilyn inside that winners coming in Tennessee so say we all do it on some level, but we it was good it was it was it was very peaceful and quiet and capped it off with just just a nice time with family and we went for a draft you know when you go for driver in Southwest Montana. For those of you just enjoy the show and we go for a drive out here that drives that you're not just you know downtown or down this road to hundred mile drive a 200 mile drive and and and it was it was it was beautiful just a beautiful vista and we got some snow upon the mountains and and stuff here snow here but it's you know she's nice it's it's quite today and it's gonna get back in tomorrow. We have to get back into the work weekend, but I did my chores today.

John you for citizenry for making hay will and I was I was I was out feeding the horses and Mac are dog wrote down with me on the side by side and and he likes to sit there with me and and look and then when he got out when I was put in a hang out in the horses come running up from the barn area up into the pasture West freedom and the Maxell the many jumped right back up into the center because he's he's been frightened by the horses before he did so.

Our Australian Shepherd he was like it was it was funny to watch me sail know I'm a medical be part of this lease or giant animal and so yeah and so I have the inverse experience because I was gifted a robot vacuum for Christmas and my Reacted in much the same way but not because it was horses but because I have this weird outline my home. Post videos of it because everybody has no know he does not like me on my iPad, my For 17 or 18 years and am at this point he is very upset with me. Let me die what I want to be brought up on Melissa. Let's get right to our caregiver tip of the day. Caregiver tip of the day is something a little bit different today and I read this quote and I thought I would share this with you all today that would be meaningful to you as a family caregiver and and I thank you for just joining John and I just like to catch up and talk a limit weeks. What you did and we would invite you to the table you to the conference you to the conversation because this is about us building each other up his caregiver sharing our individual experiences for the purpose of growing each other is is a group of caregivers in this world to the show but here's the quote sharing experiences widens one's horizons and opens up new and better ways to deal with difficulties. There is no need to solve them alone and I just thought that was a really good quote that again sharing experiences widens one's horizon and opens out new and better ways to deal with difficulties.

There is no need to solve them alone and I think that we as caregivers deal with such relentless challenges. They just don't seem to want to go away hand and they won't necessarily for a lifetime.

For some of us and it's just a part of our life that we don't have to bear them alone.

We don't have to walk through these things alone and I think this is what brings me even more laserbeam focus on why we do the show because I was anything like this for the others, never been a show like this, but after I had been a caregiver for 25+ years. A friend of mine said you what you need to do a show for caregivers and I thought that how would that work. What would that look like, what would I say what would what would be about, you know, and when I approached the radio station about it.

In Nashville they looked at me like I had a horn growing out of the front of my head, in all fairness I was dressed as a unicorn that day, but that's different different conversation, you should think.

They were like you mean like nursing homes and stuff us in no right caregivers and I think that the general consensus is that for most people. Caregivers are people that are, you know, dealing with senior citizens and their nursing homes and their wearing purple you know hospital type clothing or something. I don't know.

I think that's what people think of. And I thought there is a lot about that.

We have made you question all that but this is a much broader category so much broader and that was never part of my life is never been part of my brother and my sister-in-law's life who have a daughter there's 31 with cerebral palsy and submitted developmental issues and she's like a 18 month old. Is there been part of their life and it's never been a part of it. I just get on the list of people I know with children with autism or so forth.

And then we started okay what we say to caregiver. What does it look like to help somebody who is taking care of somebody you know people would come up to me and offer platitudes in a but they have with you and they said you know will make sure you take care yourself and get a good nights rest taken you that's that's I don't think that's where we caregivers live.

I think there's so much inner turmoil and if we don't speak to that, then we will miss the opportunity were just giving surfacing stuff. It felt like if we can address the. The dumpster fire that is a caregivers heart of all the angst of that's in there and give them an opportunity, catch their breath, and breathe a little bit and then point and safety. Then they got a fighting chance. Dealing with their weight gain. Then they got a fighting chance of dealing with their job situation their coworkers or the family dynamics or their money issues.

Whatever else is in there. It's probably all accommodation of everything and and I also came from the.

The mentality and in that that we as caregivers don't really deal with anything that other people don't deal with on a heart level. We just deal with it relentlessly.

There's there's very little reprieve in order for you to kind of regroup are always in the I guess where the NFL playoffs right now John at what's football much but you know it.

I feel like it.

Caregivers were always in the no huddle offense. You know this is what what this is that we wanted to make something that where you could share the stories.

This is coming back to the tip of the day, which is that the real life is in the experiences of others and we really share things with it wheat we gain from sharing with others and from on really telling our story, but we also can do that for other people. We can hear their stories and it's you know other people's problems are a little bit easier to bear temporarily with them and we can lighten the load a little bit and really just dances knowledge from their journey yes and NI I've heard from the network. When I do the show. They said you're different from other host. They try to get as many analysis statement with different from most, and for most host but they that they said that there were other people there there there shows they try to get as many calls. It is possible and get the color off and get to the next one so forth and in the Gaussian you you take time with with your colors you're not in a hurry to get them off the air and I said no because I think they need to talk. I think they think it helps them to be able just to express their heart and their feelings and and and their thoughts and ideas and and we can just sit there is to caregivers and just converse about it only just have a good conversation so if that's where you are today 877-655-6755 877-655-6755 you will be a part of the show. This is hopefully caregiver and imperialism are caregiver now my 34th year.

Love to hear from you when we get much more can you ever struggled to trust God when lousy things happen to you.

I'm Gracie Rosenberger, 1983 I experienced a horrific car accident leading 80 surgeries in both legs and became I questioned why God allowed something so brittle to happen to me.

But over time the questions changed and I discovered courage to trust God that understanding along with an appreciation for quality prosthetic limbs led me to establish standing with help more than a dozen years we been working with the government of Ghana and West Africa, equipping and training local workers to build and maintain quality prosthetic limbs for their own people on a regular basis.

We purchased ship equipment and supplies and with the help of inmates in Tennessee prison.

We also recycle parts from donated lambs all — is to point others to Christ. The source and my help and strength, please visit standing with help.com to learn more and participate in lifting others standing without.com. I'm Gracie. I am staining with help as a caregiver. Think about all the legal documents you need power of attorney will, living wills, and so many more than think about such things as disputes about medical bills. What if instead of shelling out hefty fees for a few days of legal help. You paid a monthly membership and got a law firm for life while we are taking legal representation and making some revisions in the form of accessible, affordable, full-service coverage. Finally, you can live life know you have a lawyer in your back pocket who at the same time is an empty it's called legal shield and its practical, affordable and a must for the family caregiver visit caregiver legal.com that's caregiver legal.com. Isn't it about time someone started advocating for you www.caregiverlegal.com on independent associate is caregiver here on family talk on channel 131 Sirius XM broadcasting also by video on the caregiver cam on Facebook love it, hope for the caregiver. That was my wife Gracie with John Erickson totter of her new CD resilient and if I got a treat for it will play some from that at the end of this segment.

Forgo the break the bond, the hour that you can love and I think it's a great way to start off the new year. I think it's good to have that in your mind is is part of our journey for the new year and if you will be a partnership by the way, 877-655-6755 877-655-6755 and I saw a quote a prayer the other day prayer. I was thinking, but knew your stuff and I read this on New Year's Eve and New Year's Day we had a wonderful that my brother-in-law fix mistakes. John there were just hips it was okay for you think my standards are like way hi will heal him on going. He would meet your standards. I promise you like it and we it was it was a fine meal and he but we sit down. I said that with his his kids and with Grayson and in Gracie and my sister and so forth that we work we all just ignorant and and I thought I read this I thought it was a really good prayer to start off the the year with it. It just this out to you.

May God make your year a happy one, not by shielding us from all sorrows and pain but by strengthening us to bear it as it comes, not by making our path easy, but by making the sturdy to travel any path, not by taking hardships from us about taking fear from our heart, not by granting this unbroken sunshine, but by keeping our faces, bright even in the shadows, not by making our life, always pleasant, but by showing us when people of their causes need us most and making us anxious to be there to help God's love, peace, hope, and joy to us for the year ahead.

I thought it was just a good way of looking at think some towns were so wrapped up in the fact that we gotta make everything perfect.

We gotta be happy happy happy all the time time time and I I said this to show recently that I think sometimes our our Christian faith in this country has been somehow blended and diluted with the American dream that you know unless were being prosperous, prosperous and feeling good all the time.

Then something's wrong in our life or something's wrong with their theology or whatever and I just don't understand see it that way. I don't think Scripture supports that at all. In fact, I could show you where it doesn't, but I think that God equips us for these things and that we can be sturdy for the journey and sturdier and that's why we do the show because I can't take away the things that you deal with as a caregiver need any more than you take, with things I deal, but we can build each other up and we can make us want to help make each other sturdy enough to travel any path, please know when you see a no blame the he is in the you ever struggled to trust God when he I'm Gracie Rosenberger, 1983 I experienced a horrific car accident leading 80 surgeries in both legs. He became, I questioned why God allowed something so brittle to happen to me. But over time I questions changed and I discovered courage to trust God that understanding along with an appreciation for quality prosthetic limbs led me to establish standing with help more than a dozen years we been working with the government of Ghana and West Africa, equipping and training local workers to build and maintain quality prosthetic limbs for their own people on a regular basis. We purchased ship equipment and supplies and with the help of inmates in Tennessee prison. We also recycle parts from donated lambs all — is to point others to Christ. The source and my help and strength, please visit standing without.com to learn more and participate in lifting others standing without.com. I'm Gracie. I am staining with help them talk channel or thrilled to have you with us.

I am Peter Rosenberger. This is the nation's number one show for the family caregiver.

John get the stats back one podcast for family caregivers as well. I you know and I just really stunned by all of this, this, and in no and I knew that there was a need that there's not sitting that need in and in a way that makes sense and you and I did this we started this show in May 2013. Yes, I was on a little tiny radio station in Nashville and it was rough in a funny about life, you will be on show 877-655-6755 877-655-6755 is on this little tiny show in Nashville because I'd gone to the this major radio station us if you would like to do so, but caregivers again.

They looked at me like I was odd which I am fairly familiar with that look and I am and I I I was on it 1230 to 1 on Wednesdays and I was sandwiched in between.

I think it was like the sort of Joshua firing holiness Pentecostal our and you know in some of the ship was just totally different from what I was doing and I had my show on there and I was just kind of doing my thing for about eight months and then the station that had turned me down. Call me and we can listen your show would like to become over here and I did and they assigned me with this young producer named John Butler and it just on your younger than me and it edges. The rest is history and and I but I've been just thinking about this show for a long time about what it would look like and what what I say to fiddle caregivers. Why would I say something what what where we going with this, and this is kind of embarrassing. But you know why stop now, but I remember one time during a particularly difficult time in my journey as a caregiver and you gotta member my wife said 80 surgeries that I can count 150 smaller procedures that I can count hundred doctors that I can count 12 hospitals.

I can count those and seven insurance companies and all move this and guess what an $11 million that I can kill. So just keeps growing. This been going on since Reagan was present as one time that I was pretty low. When I was I was really struggling back at I'd had some medical problems myself, which I don't normally do and it was pretty serious and I and I was trying to recuperate from that and nobody really knew how to help me the date they showed up. They didn't realize what I was carrying and bearing in my own body and nobody quite knew how to help me rest and nobody knew quite how to help Gracie as I've been doing it all by myself and I just kept spiraling out spelling out and finally I just thought I I gotta get I got to get some help.

I'm losing my mind was sleeping or anything else. I went to the local mental health hospital in Nashville where we lived for many many years to get here and I just kind of walked in the front there the lobby.

They all looked at me again. John the 50s people just looking to you, are used. There appears a thing here with the and and and I thought that was kind of insulting because you know it's a mental health hospital. I cannot be the weirdest person to walked in there I saw thing that during since it's getting cooler now Nashville rescue people wear two pairs of pajamas at the same time to Walmart you at I'd so I cannot be the weirdest person that could've walked into this place, but things they said are you lost and that I teared up a little bit messy. I think I and so I guess no hello are you what are you lost I do with a bit but that the questions went deeper in my life exactly what I said. I said you guys take walk-ins and they looked at me kind again I don't think it really that's the question that causes the weird looks been honestly, it's a mental health hospital that that's the question they said it would take walk-ins and so the day you escorted me back to the room they took my walk keys and took my blood pressure and said room and there was it was that it was a room that looked like it seen better days and then this counselor came in very nice lady. She came in and she sat there and talk to me for a long time and I just kind of verbally vomited it as a caregiver. Here are just verbally vomited you in, or just as a human being. You just let it all out and and and it was in this went on for some time about an hour and 1/2 maybe two hours and she was very nice. You listen, she took notes and she looked at me. She said well we can keep you here because you're not crazy and I asked her for that in writing because people needed to seize some type of documentation.

She said you not crazy.

She said which are burned out and I got some people I can refer you to. For some help and she said I'd recommend a book for you to read but years ago to write and then she said we been given out box lunches all day.

We got one left in its tuna fish do you want, and I said absolutely. I've never turned at a tuna fish sandwich of my life and I think you know that you owe it you might've read my tunafish newsletter but it's I have had breakfast of tuna melt coffee and not the greatest breath afterward, but definitely stating.

So I try to have a self committed and all I got was a tennis which lead teachers up for that is I set out the card I had my tunafish sandwich and a have sold in there with hidden chips and Apple and I thought about what this counselor said I'd recommend a book for you to read but you've got a right and that's where all of this started was what what I say to a caregiver. What would I say to myself at 22 years old when I fell in love with a woman who had a broken body.

You know how do you prepare somebody with the reality of a lifetime of caregiving. What do you do what you say and then I wrote my book hope for the caregiver and that's what this show is all about is equipping us to be sturdy for any path you know no matter what's thrown at us. Can we respond without reacting. Can we be calm or can we be healthier.

Can we be more joyful in this is caregivers and the answer I believe and I have a lot of experience back me up on this is an unequivocal yes we can, no matter what's going on with their loved ones. We do not have to put our life are mental health are emotional sobriety or physical health or professional health or anything else on the back burner. We can do these things, but it does require some work and it requires some help from people who are little bit further down the road who have wrestled with these things. It's what I try to do was kind of father tuna sandwich for the soul of a tuna noodle helper to be a lifetime of experience and wisdom of collected along the way from folks that have intersected median and just hard lessons I've learned to way that makes sense to use a caregiver you know and that's why when you know what I said or caregiver tip of the day earlier and I read that quote about how our shared experiences are so valuable to us at all read again here it is again. I get hopeful now. I thought this just such a good quote John remotely start have my glasses closed. This getting old. Everything is this the brochure sharing experiences widens one's horizons.

It opens out new and better ways to deal with difficulties.

There is so much we can get from being with each other. There's no need to solve these these things ourselves.

We just wanted to do it week.

We don't need to solve these things ourselves, we can work together build from each other learn from each other and then develop healthier tips on how were going to do with this because it's not go away next week. It's not to go away anytime soon. And even if it does, there still the residual impact of what's happened to you was a caregiver, how it's conditioned you in your response to your response to stress your response to the conflict to the family and things such as that.

So that's why we do the show and and I at the core of all of this is me speaking to that 22-year-old man who young man just kid who took the helm of a medical nightmare with arm with little else than love the goofy sense of humor and and try to make sense out of something that really doesn't make sense to try to manage the unmanageable. But that's what we do is caregivers. Those of you right now who are taking care of a loved one with Alzheimer's. For example, you wanting desperately to try to reason with her but you can't you can't find that you cannot fight Alzheimer's. I can't fight amputation. You can't fight out autism. You can't fight someone else's addiction, but we can fight cholesterol we can fight high blood pressure. We could fight being a jerk. We can fight losing her temper.

We can fight despair.

We just need a different set of tools and so that's that's what brings all of this to play for me and I noticed that the it's not a one and done there's no such thing for caregivers. It's not a one and done, you cannot simply say okay I got it now. Jesus give me back the wheel you don't think it just doesn't work that way. Nice cartoon in my head.

I don't think that's the first card to do his bidding. No, but you know for security and would but yet you know you can't. You can't just say okay I got it now.

Give it back.

No, this is something that is really beyond us as as human beings and we have to have the group approach of building each other up and ultimately you know seeking out God's counsel in this is a play that fall from grace.

So we have little technical difficulty with that site, you can get the record and listen to it all the time about that you could just go out there right now to the website and just click on the races picture and get the record so but it's you know it's it's all about us learning how to to see beyond ourselves in this in my book Sentinel Kimberly ogle had been doing all this in in sharing our experiences with each other and hearing the experiences of others and sharing our own yes were doing this because it's like we get the effects of learning things and and all that but I mean this is just like the one for friendship to be a little cliché about like you get all of these things out of it because you're doing is wholesome thing already and should good for your soul. I mean it. I don't now Milton I have said it often. Milton said it best, that's John Milton not Milton. You know, free mentor versus but John Milton said it best when he said the first thing that God's I said that was not good was that man was alone. This was before the fall. This was before sin entered into the equation and you go back and look and he said is not good man's along you know it's not good. The caregivers are alone and caregiving actually choose one of the three eyes that we live with this caregivers.

We lose our independence we lose our identity and we become isolated and so when I envision doing the show. It was all about. How do we best communicate to caregivers and I love their luck caregivers driving around right now and there listening to this station and their thinking well there's a shelf for me as a character. And yeah, there is an out and I've ever expanded the concept of what a caregiver is, I think I'm the only one that is taking the approach that addiction and alcoholism put you into the caregiver world because these are chronic impairments and and there a lot of people right now who have an alcoholic or addict in their life. They are just really struggling, you know, you hear a lot about the opioid crisis in our country but go back and look at all the news reports and see how many of them are talking about the caregiver and every one of those tragic cases that we hear about Pierce and I have somebody right there every day, but the leader there at some point in their stolen orders on the periphery art, but they are orbiting some level. Abby may be lycopene to orbit by the way split planet now again it will be a planet in my heart I expect you to know these things. John R and I have jogged the actual answer is, there are four pillowcase but you know some of us orbit further than others, but you still there and then you get the mental health issues and all those things involved with and so there there are so many different realities going on that that people are functioning at its caregivers and in and I want to say to somebody with like bipolar disorder were it's yes a personality disorder, it can be that as a your caregiver. Yeah, you're a caregiver clearly and and and these are the things we wanted to envelop that we wanted to get past the conversation of just thinking nursing homes and start thinking that this of family dynamics and all of this is rooted on the heart level of where the battle really is. Yeah, we can deal with some of the other things we can get into you know you wheelchairs and and and and adaptive equipment and all kinds of things.deal doctors deal with insurance companies and hospitals cover all that hereto we are going to with pleasant but we we ultimately deal with matters of the heart and we want to know how your heart 877-655-6755 877-655-6755 this Peter Rosenberg has a caregiver. Think about all the legal documents you need power of attorney will, living wills, and so many more than think about such things as disputes about medical bills.

What if instead of shelling out hefty fees for a few days of legal help. You paid a monthly membership and got a law firm for life while we are taking legal representation and making some revisions in the form of accessible, affordable, full-service coverage. Finally, you can live life know you have a lawyer in your back pocket who at the same time is an empty it's called legal shield and its practical, affordable and a must for the family caregiver visit caregiver.com that's caregiver legal.com. Isn't it about time someone started advocating for you www.caregiverearly.com on independent associate.

Have you ever struggled to trust God when lousy things happen to you. I'm Gracie Rosenberger in 1983 I experienced a horrific car accident leading 80 surgeries in both legs and became it. I questioned why God allowed something so brittle to happen to me. But over time the questions changed and I discovered courage to trust God that understanding along with an appreciation for quality prosthetic limbs led me to establish standing with help more than a dozen years we been working with the government of Ghana and West Africa, equipping and training local workers to build and maintain quality prosthetic limbs for their own people on a regular basis.

We purchased ship equipment and supplies and with the help of inmates in Tennessee prison. We also recycle parts from donated lands all gases to point others to Christ. The source and my help and strength, please visit standing with help.com to learn more and participate in lifting others that standing without.com. I'm Gracie. I am staining with help and hope trust the joy load off of her new CD resilient. Had you like a copy, and you will is very easy to do good hope for the caregiver.com.

Click on her picture and for a donation of any amount any amount will send you a cup. That CD because it's going to go to staining with help only take my standing with him standing with hope is the ministry Gracie envision after giving up both of her legs many many years ago and she wanted to provide quality prosthetic limbs to her fellow amputees as a means of sharing the gospel.

I remember what she said she was in the hospital was it was like days after becoming a double amputee, and she had watched a documentary about Princess Diana worked with amputees in Southeast Asia and she said this is what I'm limited. She told me I got I had just showed up in the hospital of us take care the kids do all these things work and everything else and she said here's what were going to and I look, there's a particular hit a morphing baby because hex nut off my list of things that I want to do well. The name of my wife CD is called resilient and she is and she's also a force of nature and of the short story for male almost 15 years we been going to West Africa and working in the country of Ghana and sitting over equipment and supplies and processes. So for this prostitutes job would not send hookers to Africa across the test and we are teaching it, equipping them how to build legs for their own people affect I got a shipment going over there this month. We just bought some resin we could buy resin there in countries will be more expensive but by the time you try to ship it.

It's a hazardous material. It's easier just to go ahead and buy the rest of their and now were going ship over a bunch of recycled limbs. What we did was we collect them from all over the country at a local prison in Tennessee and this is run by course asked one of their many faith-based programs.

They have which significantly helps reduce return visits for inmates. Faith-based programs really work with with equal recidivism. They don't come back as much, John.

That's a big word is a big word, but the good Scrabble were like embargo. It's probably like 11 points you would mind the three games. But it's a it's quinine the other day I felt really good about that course you but the inmates take these limbs and the disassembled so that we can use the parks again like niece or feet are pilots or connectors adapters we can use prosthetic letters belt system sleeps prosthetic sucks. We can choose, but the problem is let people sin the leg with the she wanted but they don't send the other shoe gave me to show you guys send this you the shape of so all these things can be done and to recycle and then what we have about I just saw a message on Facebook from my friend John who I've known for him since before have very Gracie and he has a low knee to John standing with hope.calm/recycle just just click on the Gracie CD picture at hope for the care you'll see it.

It's all there is very easy to get to, but we can recycle these things in these inmates that course of it do this and it's a great program unusual.

There's nobody in the home world doing something like this and it it's it's really extraordinary.

You got I a woman with a broken body reaching out to labs that are broken that are in a prison and there taken materials from broken lives that have gone on, or the kids that have outgrown them of the sin the lakes to us and then they they work with those to send those over to broken lives over in West Africa and all of this is pointing to the one who is broken for us. You know how but then an extraordinary how these things work and you can be a part of that today in two ways you can do it you can contribute financially is a tax-deductible gift stayed with hope you can sponsor the show with it or with the prosthetic limb. Your choice whatever you want to do or you can tell somebody and you can tell somebody about the state of the prosthetic limb recycling program, you know, you give the gift that keeps on walking. Maybe you know a funeral home director that could be a tremendous source of referrals for that family members don't know what to do with the limbs they could all go to the facility there in Nashville with these inmates can do. This is an extraordinary ministry and we would love for you to take advantage of it and share this with friends and so forth it. How they can get involved and then will send you copy that CD of Gracie's and I think you will very much like that it it were very proud of the record and Gracie has done an amazing job.

She said she's no kitten singer, and you can also go to our podcast here.

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Listen to it. We have John address you have 368 episodes out there now. That's a lot of it's a lot of stuff that's a lot of stuff I mean you know and and content just waiting for you to reach out and take it hit edit and we put those materials out there. I just did a live version of it is well with my soul that I put out there last week for New Year's and I played this I did. The arrangement of it on my CD Psalms for the caregiver. Just as a piano solo but a while back I played this during communion at church and I had a friend of mine play with me on it and on the violin. Who's just an extraordinary violinist and it was alive thinks you can hear kind of the community trace clack around little bit off but I did. It didn't matter. It was such a great performance that he did on that with it. I want to put that out there because I thought that's a great song to start off the new year with when sorrows like sea billows roll whatever my lot, thou has taught me to say it is will it is well with my soul is that is that not a good way to start off this year for us as caregivers to understand that you know what matter what happens, we can be at peace. We can be settled in our hearts and our spirits. It's it you don't. It takes work. It takes some some help. It takes people walking with us through this. You know it does fail to make mistakes. It's okay, you know, I'm the wily Coyote of caregivers. The crash test dummy of caregivers you could fail at it. I feel that it had illicit hope for the caregiver.com hope for the caregiver.com. It's all there CD. The limb program. Everything you need to know the podcast hope for the caregiver.com. Take a look. Try to do this alone. We learn from each other. I will see you next week. This Peter Rosenberg John Butler thanks Joyce