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October 3, 2022 6:00 am
Rebekah Buell Hagan shares her powerful story of pursuing a chemically-induced abortion and then experiencing a change of heart which led to saving her baby's life. Dr. Bill Lile, a pro-life OB/GYN, explains how the abortion pill works, how its effects may be reversed, and how this option is being provided to women and teen girls who have second thoughts about having an abortion.
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Today on Focus on the Family were tackling a tough subject that will be appropriate for younger listeners so we can advise you to have them elsewhere. Recovering of the matter of the abortion pill and let's go ahead and hear from one of her guests like this.
If not, please help me really think it was no coincidence that it was in this moment, I began to really think about this.
The first portion was March 13, 2013.
The following data dams to complete the abortion style is March 14 first, I quickly realized my gosh March 14 will forever be a day that I literally brought one baby into this world and took another one out. It was about five think you have to do something different. You have to go back.
You have to find a way out of this is Rebecca Buell Hagan you you're more of her story today on Focus on the Family your hostess focus president Dr. Jim Daly and Doug John Fuller John were returning to a program assured in 2020 with Dr. Bill while Rebecca Hagan because it is so important right now, the landmark Dobbs decision overturning Roe V Wade is definitely worth celebrating. But we still have so much to do to protect life and to care for the people in situations where abortion seems to be the only available option so they think if you're in the position you may be fearful and confused about what to do there so much rhetoric in the culture right now.
Here Focus on the Family. We hope to be a beacon of wisdom, reason and truth for you and let me urge you to give us a call.
We have caring Christian counselors and many other resources to help you make an informed decision that will honor life you were phone call away. Her number is 800 K and the word family 800-232-6459 at the top of the program you heard a small portion of Rebecca story and I know you will be intrigued by what she has to share Dr. Lyle fills in some of the gaps describing more about the abortion pill on the medical aspects of the procedures. Let's dive in and will come back for an update from Dr. Lyle on what the pro-life landscape looks like now after Roe V Wade and Rebecca Buell Hagan is a pro-life advocate and speaker and she's the mom before Dr. Bill Lyle is an OB/GYN and a staunch advocate for pro-life values and Jim will begin as you asked Rebecca to share her brother heart wrenching story on today's episode of Focus on the Family. Let's start with you and your story grew up in a Christian family, but ended up pregnant at the age of 17. Describe what that situation what that circumstance was like you're in a Christian home. At that point, despite being Christian and despite my parents been on the worship team. We never talked about relationships or abortion and that was quite shocking to find out I'm pregnant thinking P what do I do next was a reason for that in your home actually wise and I didn't realize that was rooted in such deep shame that my mom had actually forced to have three portions and that's tough. You chose to give life to your child and you married your boyfriend, but he was abusive and abandoned this little family that you started at 18 correct right and I think you discovered you were pregnant. Once again, after you broken up with your husband is right, you're absolutely right.
This all happened really less than a year's I delivered that baby turned 18, got married that relationship turns 87 dissolved and right at that time found out I was pregnant again and I assure Rebecca because it no going through the kind of the clinical aspects of this, but what were you feeling and thinking. I'm sure there may be 17, 18, 19-year-old that's listening now, and she's in that spot connect with her.
What were your motions like at the time I was terrified. I knew now how hard it was to have a child and to be a single mom. I was scared of letting my family down and I thought really is a moment of panic and fear that abortion was my only way out of this is the only option they had no real support in that way. So you find out you're pregnant with your second child and your agonizing over the decision.
What happened so basically from the moment I found out I was pregnant, which I took a pregnancy test at a grocery store bathroom alone before even walking out of that grocery store knew I had to have an abortion.
And so, like so many young girls steel. I turned to the Internet on my phone and typed in abortion clinics near me also learned about medication abortion and found out how it was marketed as easy and convenient and cheaper, easier to hide.
Less painful. Overall, less invasive and so immediately sought out medication abortion bill. You're the doctor.
What is that medication abortion the medication itself is called mifepristone also known as RU-486 and it is a very effective blocker of a hormone called progesterone progesterone. If you break that word down Pro just around project gestation. This is the conductor of the orchestra pregnancy that organizes everything and says our new full-time job supporting this pregnancy are you 46 blocks that signal separates the pregnancy from the mother and then allows for the cervix to open up in the uterus to contract and the baby is passed away and is delivered and, unfortunately, usually in your home in the bathroom correct in a toilet and that's the truth of Rebecca. I want to return to your story. You were determined to get the abortion you're in this dark place. Thank you for sharing that you took the first pill and what happened.
I did so I took the first abortion pill and I remember that sitting there in the Planned Parenthood clinic and I started to kind of tear up that nurse practitioner that gave me the first abortion pill side just because your side doesn't mean making the wrong decision, and right before I take it she said, but once you get this.
There's no going back. I just said okay and so I took the first spell and by the time I got to my car which immediately took now 90 seconds or so.
It was like everything in the best way I can describe a person is making the decision to have an abortion. What goes through her mind is your walking down this path and it seems wildly seems illuminated and all of a sudden you make this turn you make that choice and it's like all of that light goes out and you realize it was actually Satan and he says gotcha and that's how I felt when I got to my car. I was looking at that second set medication. It was like Satan said gotcha and now you no pain, no grief, and how you know what it's like to really regret having just had an abortion and taking the life of your child while you said so much there so well. The emptiness of the race feeling like one of my done right people, abortion providers, especially make it seem like no woman ever goes into this underinformed very few women ever regret the decision or change their mind and it's just simply not the truth. Rights propaganda right to make the machine work for them. How did God reach your heart you beautifully described the sense that you were going down the road to darkness, taking the life of your child. How did God grab you while still sitting in my car outside of this abortion clinic.
I knew I couldn't go back in there and I just prayed to God and I think there's a way out of this. Please help me find it. If not, please help me to forgive myself and it dawned on me, and I really think it was no coincidence that it was in this moment, I began to really think about this the day I took the first abortion pill was March 13, 2013 and the following day Davis set to complete the abortion where the pregnancy was specific spell was March 14 and that was my son Eli's first birthday. I quickly realized all my gosh March 14 will forever be a day that I literally brought one baby into this world and took another one out and it was about five that made me think you have to do something different. You have to go back.
You have to find a way out of this. And what did you do to find your way out practically after prank which I highly recommend for turning to Google right. I turned to the Internet and I started typing in things like I took the first abortion pill and I change my mind after while seeing women just like me post similar questions. I found the hotline number. That's fantastic. It lasts and when I called. I spoke to a nurse at a pregnancy center in San Diego which was about eight hours away from me into Sacramento and she was calm and responsive and asked me questions that the abortion provider never did. How did you get here and why did you think this is the only option. What is your home life like your spiritual life like and why have you now changed your mind.
And then she started talking to me about abortion. However, so powerful I'm tearing up. I'm sorry. I'm just going while this is good. It was amazing.
It was one of those moments when you look back and you know she was led by the Holy Spirit. It was a an ordained conversation and I didn't even realize wise throughout this whole process. I was even told what the abortion pill actually did to my body. I was actually told that 24 hours later I was going home to take a medication that women are given when they're in active labor. I was so frustrated that I was so misled and underinformed and now she became the person I could trust this is your go to person, which is beautiful. That's how it should work right. The what is that reversal medically.
What's going on there to better inform women and their husbands will be RU-486 walks the hormone progesterone. We actually reverse that by supplementing with more progesterone and overwhelm the bodies of the woman's body will at first they were pregnant. Bender given the are you 46 and then there's that the signals lost in the body. So I guess were not pregnant will then we give more progesterone in the body responses. No, it's okay. We are pregnant and so all the support for the pregnancy is then reestablished into Rebecca's point. What is that window of time.
Sooner is better. We have been very effective within the first 72 hours, impact or success rate of reversing an abortion pill is about 70%. If we can initiate reversal therapy within the first 72 hours and this is a can be a pregnancy up to 10 weeks, which is very different from the morning-after pill, which is 72 hours. This is 70 days from the first of the last menstrual period that is so good. John let people know how they can get a hold of us a website. If, as you're listening you're thinking I really want that website. Stop by hours and will link over to all the details in the episode notes as well. Rebecca folks are thinking okay were shipped today what happened. Describe your family share.
So thankfully I did take a nice nurse. We found a physician stayed on the progesterone reversal regimen. Dr. Lyle just talked about and maintain a healthy pregnancy, a full 40 weeks and delivered another little boy and he despite what the abortion clinic told me that he would have severe abnormalities or that I would probably miscarry. He's perfectly healthy and his name is Zachariah which means the Lord remembers because clearly as I look back on this story in our experience, I see God's hand over it all fantastic and now you have no regrets.
Absolutely not. I am so thankful for abortion. However cell and for the physicians and the nurses that went before me made it possible for story to have ended this way will your passion. This space is wonderful.
But let's take a moment and deconstruct the arguments of the other side when they talk about it being safe and it being simple and no regrets everything that Rebecca just shared what do you see in your practice from women reps to have an abortion in their background. What is the truth of what women experience.
This is a medical induction of a miscarriage where the support for the pregnancy is taken away and then contractions are forced onto the woman's body. The pain from the contractions is intense. The bleeding is there the clotting and usually just like you and said they are home.
They were alone they might be in their dorm they might be in their bathroom. It's a miserable experience, which is why a lot of this medication is given out at the end of the week. The clinics are closed on the weekend.
There's nobody to call. By the time Monday rolls around, everything is already been done.
Can there be further complications.
In that moment. I'm thinking of a couple women's testimonies that I've heard where you can have things go wrong in that private moment after you've taken the additional medication sure you can be excessive bleeding hemorrhaging complications. In addition to the pain that is there and when they are experience that there's nobody to turn to. There was a psychological article that was part of the Journal of obstetrics and gynecology, as was January of this year and they looked at women who had had either a first trimester miscarriage or first trimester, ectopic pregnancy, one month after that experience, 28% of them had classic defined PTSD from that experience. Nine months later 18% of those women still had classic PTSD symptoms from that miscarriage. These were events where they did not choose to have this, but they still had the psychological impact of the loss of that pregnancy with this. This is a women's health issue. Physically, yes, but also mentally. Yes, because if somebody is having these sort of symptoms. Nine months later. Then with a miscarriage or with an ectopic pregnancy. Surely, when they have made the decision to cause this loss of life there about me having similar symptoms. That is so profound and you know the goal here is to value life in this culture unfortunately and globally. Because of the work of Planned Parenthood and other abortion industry clinics. I mean they they are convincing women that this is the way to go, and it's so unfortunate because what you see on the other side is a lot of misery in the course and they attack us like Focus on the Family and say that if you didn't put that stigma on these women, then there wouldn't be a problem. It's like saying if you wouldn't allow the Holy Spirit to convict everything would be fine.
Will send is not fine. And forgiveness is the goal, and you know we need to recognize that in people talk about God doesn't.
Women are in terrible positions, often by the husband or boyfriend to get the abortion common pattern and so guilty as a culture that were not doing enough to wake the culture up and say this is about protecting babies. These are God bless you for your efforts.
As I've said before, she knew for that decision you made. Thank you for being with us.
That's Rebecca Buhl Hagan and Dr. Bill Lyle today on Focus on the Family and we trust you for dear heart our heart and our desire to help women and men who might be facing an unexpected or unplanned pregnancy with John as your director story. Those are powerful stories and she's not alone. There so many stories like hers. Children are a gift from God, and we gotta change this idea in the culture that their disposable and that's one of things I know our guest fights each and every day in here Focus on the Family we do the same. Through option ultrasound and trying to save as many babies as we can together and just because Roe V Wade was overturned. It doesn't mean the battle is over.
It really is put the battle and all 50 states and magnified the battle in some ways there's just no federal constitutional right to an abortion.
And, you know, we've got to be able to respond accordingly. Since that momentous decision came down from its record in June of this year, we've seen widespread panic from some in the culture. You know that this is the end of it and there's so much this information in the culture that I'm glad we have Dr. Lyle here to help clear up some of these misconceptions, Dr. Lyle, it's great to have you with us. Thank you for joining. Why thank you very much. It's a privilege to be back. You did such a magnificent job in that broadcast is bringing the medical expertise and the observation of being a doctor, a scientist into that in describing the abortion pill and its impact and reversal.
Now that the Supreme Court recognize that abortion is not a constitutional right. It's up to the states to decide. Like I just said.
Some states have banned the procedure completely like Texas, Louisiana, Idaho and several others, but plan see the self managed at home abortion pill is on the rise. That's I think one of the more used abortion methods right now affect people or that online because in some states, that's completely legal and they may have see a doctor in my describing that correctly you are in one things we need to define and educate is the difference between the morning-after pill which is evil and the abortion pill the morning-after pill is indicated for the morning after a woman is had intercourse. The abortion pill is very very different because it should really be called the 70 morning after pills because it is indicated to kill a baby in the womb up to 10 weeks gestation 70 days. It's very different.
90% of the time it will kill a baby in the womb. And this is a baby with a heartbeat that has arms and legs that are moving that you could see on ultrasound and that is the level of evil when we can now have that sent mail order from a virtual visit where they never even met the physician they never even had an exam and they never had an ultrasound and that is where we are. Prior to the pandemic. 39% of all the abortions were performed with the abortion pill now. That number is 54% nationwide. When you've led the way in so many ways. One of those is the pill reversal website. The hotline which are great resources and your medical expertise again backing that effect on the website.
John there's a checkbox for immediate assistance. And there's 24 seven help so woman can always get access to that will have that information.
I think on the page for those listening bill who can't go to the episode page right now. How can they get help if they're hearing this in a woman say I need to talk to somebody how would they do that sure well if they've already taken the first pill of the abortion pill cocktail. They can contact our website which is abortion pill reversal.com that will put them in touch with the nurse at our hotline who can connect them with an OB/GYN in their area to assist them and abortion is not healthcare and we are here to assist women to have a healthy mom and a healthy baby because there are side effects to abortion. There are side effects to the abortion pill. There are side effects to the surgical abortion impact. If a woman has a surgical abortion. She has increased her risk of having a preterm delivery with a subsequent pregnancy by 35%. If she said two surgical abortions. She has increase that risk of delivering a future baby by 90%. So there are risks and we want helping moms and we want healthy babies is OB/GYN's, etc. yeah, question in light of the Dobbs decision.
Bill is if the Supreme Court's ruling impacts women who experience. I guess right how I would call it is just natural things that occur interpregnancy, ectopic pregnancy, etc. miscarriages that coming from nature, not from a decision to terminate the baby's life make that distinction for us and the fact that most states. Still, if not all states will cover those kind of medical emergencies.
Sure, let's talk miscarriage. First, my wife and I have two beautiful daughters. We suffered through four different miscarriages.
If a woman has an incomplete miscarriage and is scheduled for a D&C by her position in no way is that an abortion abortion is done when there is a heart beating on that baby on the inside regarding ectopic pregnancies is also a lot of fake news out there that these laws that are protecting the lives of babies in the womb are going to prevent women from getting access to healthcare when they have an ectopic pregnancy. The number one pregnancy related killer of women in the first trimester of pregnancy here in the United States is still a ruptured ectopic pregnancy and ectopic pregnancy is one. Yes, there's a positive pregnancy test. Yes, there is a pregnancy but is not in the lining of the uterus where it should be but is landed outside the lining of the uterus. Most commonplace is in the fallopian tube and we need to surgically do a procedure to save the life of that mom that is only because we are trying to save the life of both but we can't save the life of the baby so we must save the life of the mom and when we do that that is not an elective abortion. Mom did not choose that that's also one of the dangers of the abortion pill when the abortion pill is prescribed because of a virtual visit. There is a positive pregnancy test and the mom is just guessing how far along she is but she does not know number one.
How far along she is the pregnancy, but she also does not know where that pregnancy is an 1% of the time that pregnancy will be in the tube.
Instead of within the uterus and if she takes the abortion pill. She's told Juergen have bleeding, cramping and pain will guess what the symptoms of a rupturing ectopic pregnancy are the exact same symptoms bleeding, cramping and pain. We have already had cases reported were girls have had a virtual visit the abortion pill cocktail has been mailed to them.
They have taken the abortion pill and then they have had bleeding, cramping and pain and then have been found dead because they had a ruptured ectopic pregnancy because they were denied. An ultrasound to see number one.
How far along they were in number two where that pregnancy is that is not healthcare abortion risk the lives and health of mother but abortion primarily takes the life of a healthy baby healthy baby creating the image of God, not when they're born but at that moment of conception. So we be happy to debate somebody who denies what the truth is sounds like an open invitation so I'll thank you so much for being with us. Appreciate your time. You welcome my brother and God bless you all and also let me remind you to stand firm.
You heard Bill while there, Dr. Bill, while don't cower to what people are trying to tell you, especially when it's false. What a great resource. Dr. Lyle is and you get more information. Right from us here Focus on the Family.
As I said, there's still so much to be done to protect life and care for those women and their situations of difficult pregnancy and the decisions that come with it.
And one thing Sir Focus on the Family. We've done I think a good job with option ultrasound. I think were nearing 500,000 baby safety that effort. And that's really placing training in services in these pregnancy resource clinics along with machines. The ultrasound machines that actually give a woman the opportunity to see her baby in her womb, and that can change the mind of that woman, especially the abortion minded women and we need to expand that program. That's what I'm hoping for. I believe the Lord is given me that insight to say okay, how do we make the pregnancy resource clinic. The champion in the community and provide a plethora of resources and the kind of creative ways to help that woman, such as job training job placement to the Christian business community working with hospitals to provide.
Hopefully, reduced or free medical services for these women working to try to do that state-by-state and I hope you'll consider joining us in that effort to provide even more help to these women who are desperate and not knowing what to do and were expanding our efforts at a local level and we need your help to do that. It takes just $60 to save a babies life and to support a mom and a dad.
So please step up only two days you can we get the details in the show notes. John also for all of us to know this, that 80% of postabortion women said they would have considered keeping the baby. If one person were to come alongside them and I think that's were suggesting can we together be that person that comes alongside that woman to help her and to make a decision for life and then be there for her. The Christian community is done that for centuries and when I can stop now, so consider joining us in this effort. You can do that through a pregnancy center. You can do that by opening your home gym. We have had colleagues here who open their home in support that young lady in that time of need. We can all do something and so please prayerfully consider what you can do anything join us donate today to support the option ultrasound effort here at Focus on the Family on behalf of Jim Daly and the entire team. Thanks for listening today to Focus on the Family I'm John Fuller inviting you back once more help you and your family driving Christ. See 70 $20 Jason Chase will die. Everyone wants to know what's going on is going on jampacked $28 and problems 73 which is now on the cloud and download learn more pages and Odyssey.com