How Abortion Solves Nothing

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The following was recorded before the US Supreme Court released its ruling in the case of Thompson Jackson women's health organization. Thanks for joining us this week for family policy matters. Americans have been especially focused on the issue of abortion over the last year as the US Supreme Court considers the Dobbs case that directly challenges the legal precedent set by Roe V Wade, which of course established a nationwide mandate for abortion on demand, with very few limitations. The debate surrounding this case is emphasized how important it is for pro-life Americans to be equipped and ready to not just talk about why the protection of unborn human life is important but the challenge the underlying reasons for why abortion is so important to so many of our fellow citizens while Alexandra DeSantis is a widely published journalist and staff writer at national review. She currently serves as a visiting fellow at the ethics and Public policy Center and she's written a new book with Dr. Ryan T.

Anderson is entitled tearing us apart how abortion harms everything and solves nothing.

She's here to talk about how pro-life Americans need to move forward after the Supreme Court's Dobbs ruling Alexandra DeSantis.

Welcome to family policy matters Randy to talk about why you went ahead and wrote and release this book before we knew exactly how the Supreme Court was going to rule on the Dobbs case right and I were thinking about the challenge ahead for the pro-life movement and it occurred to matter how great we didn't know if you're writing it. You don't know. After recording it. I was going to be the same right.

And of course it would be a huge victory for proactive minutes for a B rated the case here overturned the fight against abortion with the things I either right right. We have to convince everybody around… Every human life has dignity and value that declared legal protection, and we have to help mothers and families in need. Choose life and and give them the support they need to do that and not fight matters regardless of what happens with Ruby. It will be more crucial. It is overturned as we hope it will be because this will become a 50 state battle in each state across the country over abortion quality one to arm pro-lifers with what we think is the best case against abortion which goes beyond the fact that the skilled human being with the course. The fundamental harm abortion be able to articulate how abortion has harmed our entire society. Okay so talk about that because that's basically your premise right is that abortion is nothing really good about abortion. It just creates harm. So talk about why you have taken that strategy in the book really crucial way to articulate a book will equip electro to speak about abortion like this because I think pro-lifers are great at talking about you. Like I mentioned the dignity of every human life, the right of the unborn child to live to be born while he is not obviously crucial right of the first most fundamental thing we have to know how to articulate but if we think about that a little bit more and go little bit deeper. If it's true that every abortion intentionally kill human beings we have to also believe that the harmful to everybody right. How could any good come from choice to kill a human being.

How can our society be better off even that we recognize that women and territorial difficult situations that might make pregnancy or bring a new life in the world difficult or challenging, or involve a lot of suffering killing that human being is never none of us are better off, but there is often the case for abortion. I think rest on the idea that this is necessary or even good for our society. And that's simply not the case of women not good for family that's not good for any applicable culture you talk about the fact that abortion especially legalized abortion actually challenges the roots of what it means to be human right, absolutely. And I think abortion basically said that a human being only has value and worth.

If he or she is wanted. If he or she is convenient with some other human being with power over him or her as decided that his life is valuable but the really scary kind of slippery slope to have done right. None of us want to live in a society where our words are value our right to life is determined by the black power program even talked about how the acceptance of abortion challenges a justly ordered political community.

What you mean by that is basically in a long time for an argument for abortion. Maybe abortion is right for you.

You won't choose abortion, but the government should be involved in people with private divisions. Read the decision, it should be between a woman and her doctor and and the government doesn't have anything to say about that, but it doesn't exist to protect the right life of every human being, and it cannot be a just government right the first and foremost reason we render our liberty if the government is to protect our right the first of which is most important fundamental which is the right to be alive, but we don't believe that the government has the power to prohibit us from killing one another. What what could possibly exist to do and how could it be a just society without that kind protection you spend a lot of your book discussing the various relationships that are corrupted or destroyed by abortion. Why do you do that one of the most unfortunate thing about abortion course as we've mentioned. An act of legal violence against human being, which is horrible but that that act of violence that has the ripple effect in our society and I think first and foremost between the mother and father of that child.

We know from the data on abortion.

What data we have that a lot of times women choose abortion because they are being supported by the by the father their child or by their own parents. Blonde women feel like abortion is their only option because they don't have about that thinking around but sadly abortion doesn't do anything to bolster those relationships right kind of pretending the child never existed, but I eliminating it doesn't solve that.

In fact, a compound problem, particularly between mothers and fathers you have a duty to care for one another and for their children. What are some other relationships that abortion might corrupt. One thing we point out in the book is just the way in which the loss of the child and abortion affect the entire family. Grandparents never meet a grandchild. For example, aunt and uncle did kind of rippled out to affect the entire family.

We also talk about about the fact that these labs are just illustrating who knows about people would've gone on to do it.

Of course we can't thank you, supported by cure cancer and that's why bad that they were killed. Maybe they're going to go on to not be famous at all, or do anything like that. We never hear about and instill a great evil, but to have lost more than 60 million children human beings who would be living among us today is a catastrophic loss were talking about the different ways that abortions particularly legalized or accepted. Abortion corrupts so many things in our culture. You also mention science and in medicine how does abortion corrupt those really important topic and I think most people innately think about abortion. Think of the feminist movement, which lobbied very heavily for for legalized abortion in 1960 to 70. But what we talk about the book is kind of the story of how major medical organization for most of which were the American College of obstetricians and oncologists and then the American medical medical diffusion both lobbied the Supreme Court very heavily and favorably got abortion and not all doctors wanted abortion to be legal. Far from it but the upper echelon of the meat doctors made the case that legalized abortion is actually a protection for doctors. Doctors sweetly want to be free to exercise our medical judgment at the time abortion was illegal in most states that the person punished with not one, and women were not punished for speaking abortion people punished for the doctors to perform that and so doctors at the elite level at upper level of these organization basically said block the laws punishing us, recognizing our medical judgment. You should legalized abortion, at least in cases that we think are medically necessary and they defined it very loosely and that was a big part of what the court argued in its decision in Roe V Wade they really that Geordie really bought into that argument. The doctors needed to be able to perform abortion that I think that from there we've seen that kind of poison the entire medical field and now even though there are many, many pro-life doctors and many who won't perform abortion. Most obstetricians faculty sonographer abortion we see how this idea of abortion.

Healthcare has really permeated our rhetoric. So do you say in your book. The concept that some states are taking up that women should be charged with murder if they abort their child.

You guys talk about that and I'll talk about this directly. We talk a bit about the importance of security amongst collectors as we debate what our eventual policy goals will be in a posterior world… Our conclusion that we don't respond that issue. Specifically, my personality that will be for Ryan, although I think probably in agreement on the now we we live in a society where a lot of people don't understand what abortion is. A lot of women believe that this is fine.

It's been legal for 50 years now and it would very easily deal with the problem of abortion if we talk doctors who are first and foremost responsible for conducting procedures and then down the road to know our culture might change and we can revisit that at that point you've also said that quote.

Ultimately, the case against the evil of abortion is a positive case what you mean by that. Yes, I remember adding that in the book as we are working on our introduction because it occurred to me this is a very grim topic.

Greatness is something out front 60 years thinking and writing about now – arguing and with the book is just very sad and overwhelming right.

The reality of what abortion is an and how often it performed how many people it is hard on putting people in skilled, very grim… Wanted readers to realize look.

The reason this is so depressing and sad.

And the reason Ryan and I want to encourage people to to do something about it is because life is good right. Abortion is evil because life is good and we tell story in the book in particular about a family that welcomes life in a very difficult circumstance to a child who was disabled who had a very difficult life, but you brought joy to his family and his family learn to know love in a way that they wouldn't have if they hadn't had him as part of their family and to discount the reality that even in cases of suffering.

Life is good and beautiful and valuable looking at your book. The sheer number of footnotes is amazing so you didn't write this necessarily as an academic book and he wanted it to be accessible to almost any reader. So why all the footnotes. Why was that important because it took a lot of work and I should thank my husband for his help marshaling all the we did.

We wanted to be thoroughly researched and for me this is been part of my workout. Like I said, for six years and I always want reader to be able to see where I'm getting my information because I don't want them to just take my word for it, or to share my opinion because I'm telling them that II want them to assume and correct. I want them to be able to to follow that breadcrumb trail speak.

I want them to be able to go and can double check my work and check my sources check our our argument against the facts and research that we did that they can.

They want to group that they know where our our information coming from that's really important is people are going to be making these arguments out there in the public square. Because that's one of the first things that people come back at that's not true, or where did you get that information. So to be able to go back and look in your book to find exactly where you where you found that information, I think's going to be very important for all of us.

This is the last question, so just give us a general idea what from all your work over the past six years, from writing this book and just being immersed in it. What do you feel like the pro-life movement needs to do next. The million dollar question. I think in the way he put it in the book is nobody can do everything that needs to be done, whether it been a posterior America are just kind of a new phase of the pro-life movement. No one can do everything that everybody can contribute something and so maybe that looks like writing that it was like running pure representatives of your senators made you volunteer resource Center or you donate to one. If you have time to volunteer. We mentioned in the book.

Maybe that means it welcoming the life in your own family in a difficult circumstance and giving witness in that way or adopting a foster parent. There's a whole litany of things people can do, but I think the resounding call of our book and what we hope readers take away from it is first of all, this is not something you can stand on the sideline about right. This is a pressing issue. Human rights violation of our time. We all have to do something. And second of all we have to learn how to talk about this in a way where we can reach people around us and people who think abortion is not about me.

I can sound sideline I would do it myself, but it's not my problem. We have to reach people like that and help them understand how this really have harmed all of us a good first resource would be to read your book, tearing us apart how abortion harms everything and solves nothing. Alexandra DeSantis, co-author of this book. Thank you so much for being with us on family policy matters.

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