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Typically fans love the way people head on Sunday morning fight for respect Mark Phillips is in conversation with author John le Carre. Jonathan vaguely offers us a spoonful of honey.

James Brown profiles a driving force in women's golf and more coming up when our Sunday morning podcast continues once again today.

Waters are ravaging Venice, the jewel of Italy's Adriatic coast at risk are scores of historic buildings with equally historic interiors. Many filled with precious artwork. I got us thinking about the people whose job it is to keep fine works of art. Looking fine Lee Cowan reports our cover story you will succumb when works so recent titles worshipers place expert to see the city prepared to save its treasures are conservatives like this continued work even as the floodwaters crept across the floor quiet dedication to preserving paintings, both old and new, we sometimes overlook walking through Museum paintings AGE entry dirt and grime, and so far safe to build up slowly.

Too much and that's what makes professional conservators like Beth Museum of fine arts in Boston is valuable is the bigotry drives all of this as best we possibly can. We want to be true to the idea of our discontent with trying to do is is is take away the barriers between the artists originally vision on the viewer to begin removing that barrier is a delicate process but it's a bit indelicate to demonstrate uses her own spit.

Why is saliva. It's an incredibly effective enzyme for removing grime off the surface yes and it works incredibly well.

Dry mouth, working separate yourself in the moment are you because only fear is head of paving, conservation Art Institute of Chicago working on any number paintings including this massive 17th-century French masterpiece a lot about his conservators is a little bit like CSI use ultraviolet light, x-ray, infrared to examine the surface and below the surface because of you using something called macroscopic x-ray analyze individual pigment in this case the pigments unit Vincent van Gogh. What is it actually tell you the makeup of the pain it tells us the makeup of the paint chemicals mechanic is those chemicals are important because some of the paints that van Gogh used her discoloring over time.

Yellow leaves. For example, in this work, fishing and spring are now more of a mustard color. So all of these, we would've looked more like looked more like this. Yes, van Gogh's rents have faded to through digital imaging computers can show us what his bedroom series may have actually looked like when van Gogh painted blue walls we see today. The pigment may actually have been a little closer to violent.

One of the joys of computers as we can change it back without touching the painting we can do reconstructions digitally more recent. This priceless Jackson Pollock needs some TLC. This is perhaps a little less scientific than ever wonder what Jackson Pollock would think will always and actually when you're working on any artist working wonder what they would think but I think the idea of somebody taking the time to conserve his work making it last for posterity. I think you be thrilled first. Evers was hired by the Museum of contemporary Art in Los Angeles not too long ago to make college drips and dribbles look as vibrant as the day he drizzled them.

It's a very interactive process and intimate incredibly it's always funny to think that I'll spend more time looking at this painting than Jackson Pollock ever would have still those who say fine art should just be left alone and any fading or dirt damage is part of the natural life of the pain making choices all the time and one very legitimate choice is to do nothing, but you must understand what that choice means means accepting that parents of something which is potentially very different than how originally looked the restoration of the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel. For example, often the subject of sometimes angry debate. Some claim Michelangelo's frescoes were restored too much but yet the hope of almost any artist's work stands the test of time and the science of conservation is and has always been the art of keeping time at bay, wherein conversation this morning with John le Carre, the Cold War spy novelist who is now taking on the hottest political issue in Britain are Mark Phillips is paid him a visit once a place like this might have given John le Carre refuge from the world of espionage and intrigue he so often written about. Not anymore. Walking through a English garden.

You think the world was left about a place would think other courses, the kind of garden in my imagination were bricks. It was born in a place like this.

This jump from one earnings everything ho's sees this paradise about things. How can we let the following is looking for is 88 and 25 novels 10 films and six TV adaptations later. He has new villains. The people trying to take Britain out of the European Union. I'm talking about bricks is I'm talking about the difference which Americans also know very well between patriotism and nationalism of patches could criticize his country. Stay with it and go through the democratic process of nationalist needs enemies.

His feelings about bricks of the well-known he's against these joint street demonstrations demanding the chance to vote again in a new referendum. Now that the potentially damaging consequences are better known but the problem he says is that bound effectively in your actually told them through the rhetoric of threatened around into enemies that something quite extraordinary that is not shy about getting those opinions into his new book, the first reference to bricks and describe the absurdity of the phrase used much fruit of let's call it that said Festival always in my book.

So try to live the passion of my time and in this case I felt very deeply continue to feel very deeply. The British public is being bamboozled. People with private interest so to get that feeling invest the argument encounter to his problem.

Just stunned of a soapbox that was mitral that's always been le Carre's job times of change since we first met him in the mid-1990s. At his seaside home in England's wild West country.

The Cold War had been declared over the books he had written there. Based on his own experiences of British spook the spy who came in from the cold smile these people and all the rest seem like old news.

Several have been made into films and TV shows and seemed like relics of another age.

It was the best software had on the intelligence community and reported on the so and I wish to God we got Chavez cottage one is integrity was a one man spy fiction industry back then, Joseph Conrad writes about the sea because he was going to the sea. I was recruited very early into the secret world I would copy Conrad. In retrospect, the secret world was my natural I was in it for those years and I understand its workings as he understands the sea, but even then he saw that the future looked a lot like the past doesn't want new circumstances, it's the same show running in the background is the same people running when you look at the new so-called Russian security service. The KGB interact and the Russians are back in his latest book, making trouble again you feel you kind of come full circle in the first time we spoke was when the history was allegedly ending and moving on to other stuff in here you are again talking with the same sort of things well. I never subscribe to the view that history attended and in fact statistically the size of intelligence services in every country is no code. It's the same game played for different purposes by different rules. There's still plenty of history to go around the Koran has not mellowed with age and American politics don't get an easy ride in his new book, either in its world.

There was no dividing line between bricks at fanatics of triumphant. Both were racist and xenophobic. Both were shipped with the same shrine of nostalgic imperialism look array has tried to stop writing and speaking out, but says he couldn't.

Is there another novel. And yes, that is very much mother knows away another novel and more. After the recent success of the TV version of the night manager offer to do what to bring down which is very good to see you on the night manager and after the six lines of the new TV treatment of the little drummer girl attacked look array is now working on more TV treatments. Some of his earliest still a lot. He wants to say Britain is famous used for common sense and sent gone. So what you do agitate, keep on writing a ACH so my range for future restricted. You better get cracking cracking. I have no time, no time to die. I have to not yet taken out with agent Gary this week Stephen Law ally of Mitch McConnell in one of Washington's biggest midterm moneyman list for me to Senate races you think Republicans have the best chance of taking a democratic seed what Nevada not Georgia. Georgia is right up there, but New Hampshire's surprise New Hampshire people really just kind of don't like you have for more from this week's conversation, follow the take out with Maj. Garrett on podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts will actually extend your life. While some folks on a certain Greek island. Believe it and to hear Jonathan Figley on a talent argument, not far from the picture-perfect Taurus tugs of Santorini and Mykonos were cruise ships on the course by the thousands, another Greek island more rugged, but no less remarkable is off the beaten path up the winding mountain roads of this isolated aisle are likely to notice these brightly painted boxes dotting the landscape and what's happening inside those boxes is generating some fun busy making a rare, honey, that locals believe is one of the secrets to a long life. We suited up to get a closer look. Do you think that your honey helps the people here live longer. This beekeeper and only term always explains that people on the island have been eating the honey for generations to keep healthy and strong, well into old age 109-year-old guy working her weaving studio agrees there something special about it, so does 87-year-old beekeeper Georges Stennis.

Your honey because Melissa every day. Everything I go through one of these almost a week since Diane Coachella says she has spoonfuls every morning for you. So when the little hearsay.

It's like their medicine, their daily vitamin.

There is truth to that of the local older guys say it's natures Viagra to our knowledge, that claim hasn't been tested, but research has found that people here have among the highest life expectancies in the world and the University of Athens concluded that unions are more than twice as likely as Americans to reach age 90.

Often in better health.

What was it in Mary Poppins to systems full of sugar, honey, medicine for centuries humans have valued honey for its medicinal properties and in known in ancient times. As the ceiling island is different from that found on most supermarket shelves. What makes. Honey is no industrial farming on the island. Others not know very few commercial undertakings whatsoever so that nature is pretty pure. As a result the pollen and nectar collected by the bees is free of chemicals and pesticides normally found in commercial or private farming. And unlike most, honey sold in the US honey is also unheated, unfiltered and unpasteurized processes, which can destroy the natural vitamins and minerals. In other words, it's going from the beams from this facility, David Kohn and his wife Robin are also helping spread the word. The American ex-pats who moved to the island a decade ago for a simpler life introduced and donate to a distributor in the US first have a lot of friends want the honey what is so great we kept going up to and always all the time working stuff is basically a very well-kept secret that secret now. Perhaps a little less well-kept how you feel about word spreading.

I have to be honest, it's a double edge sword because we want to share. Of course the goodness. But we also want to retain the purity of the place and keep it more or less as it is Washington that last week's hours of televised impeachment hearings and the conviction of Donald Trump ally Roger Stone one more ingredient that new tell-all book by anonymous Maj. Garrett has our Sunday Journal president Trump is a threat to America. That is the thrust of a warning on sale Tuesday, written by an author described only as a senior Trump administration official that cloak of anonymity is the same one. The writer war in the New York Times column last fall, which argued the president is a moral Mr. Trump's response to that op-ed. This tweet, really in an ominous necklace. Howard writes previous was the president's first chief of staff do you have any idea who it is no do you think this writer is a coward. Yes, because I think it's improper I think it's dishonorable. The White House agrees Press Secretary Stephanie Grisham called the book a work of fiction. CBS News has not confirmed the identity of the author or the claims he or she makes nobody really knows whether these quotes are these accusations are true because we don't know who it is there's no way to judge the veracity of what this person is saying in the book anonymous rights that cabinet officials considered resigning en masse a so-called midnight self massacre to call attention to Trump's misconduct and erratic leadership.

Also on the chopping block.

The vice president quote on more than one occasion, Trump has discussed with staff the possibility of dropping vice president. Thanks in advance of the 2020 election know that's the part of this that I think is the is the is the most out of touch part of the book we thought previous would know most about this passage. Anonymous rights everyone is the chief of staff, but the Chief of Staff Donald Trump is the Chief of Staff of the kids aren't the cheapest staff all the rest of the folks at random box and his hosts are not the Chief of Staff Trump is a Chief of Staff. He fears nothing and nobody good quality for present I think in some cases it is I guess in some other cases you know. Maybe it's a challenge, but but he is the person in charge and I think any assertion otherwise is just pure fiction. The president's quarterback is the is the center and the running back plays everywhere all that's unusual is is a force in nature. Well, I shouldn't be thinking anonymous appears to confirm the outlines of the Ukraine controversy at the heart of the house. Impeachment inquiry American presidents don't implore for leaders to open investigations into domestic political opponents. Anonymous rights, we learned that given enough time and space. Donald J. Trump will seek to abuse any power is quite an accusation. Well it's also loaded the presidents the fulcrum he's got the authority to be the director of the orchestra and that's how I think he views the presidency I think in most cases he has the authority, the author claims Mr. Trump considered naming undocumented migrants enemy combatant and sending some to Guantánamo Bay anonymous rights that Mr. Trump is a bully who lacks presidential judgment and a basic understanding of government, but previous says president Trump's instincts got him where he is what makes him who he is, is also what makes him electable to the American people Donald Trump's strength comes from being Donald Trump and I think he knows that after Veterans Day special correspondent James Brown is honoring a driving force golf to heal service members to sacrificed so much for our country. It's a beautiful day for golf in the Clearview golf course in East Canton, Ohio.

For these women being here is about much more than seeking pots look at that little white ball hits very little you think of anything else you're trying to get that ball you hold golf program for veterans in America is freedom. You can look after their comrades or other sister know what she's saying without even saying a word. These veterans have served in far-flung places like Vietnam, Korea, and Iraq and their service has taken a toll from sexual assault, posttraumatic stress disorder. What were the biggest challenges associated with being in the service as a woman I had to work 10 times harder to get those who are high-ranking they need to understand that I'm good enough to be there. So you see the one woman 73-year-old Renée Powell of the PGA of America decided to help these women heal. She started the veterans program eight years ago through and is the golf pro and co-owner of Clearview my life has always been connected with golf and then my biggest passion is this golf course that might bother again very 1946 father, Bill Powell was a World War II veteran return home and was denied entry to local golf courses because of the color of his skin. He built Clearview so that Renée and her brother Larry would not have the same barriers grew up here. My dad put it off my hand, my three years old and I've been playing off of her sentence with support from her mother. Renée's father built Clearview on his own, mostly by hand. It took him 30 years of plowing, planting and seeding Journal, former dairy farm into this beautiful 18 hole public course. Her brother Larry has been the head groundskeeper of his family plot for all of his life.

What continues to drive you and Renée to do this when you're born into something you want to see things go proper and right, and that's what driving while Larry stayed home to care for Clearview Renée Powell found she had a special talent for the game.

She became the top amateur and captain of the Ohio State golf team where there are circumstances that you had to persevere and overcome at the collegiate level was a cop often enough in the state of Ohio. I was never able to plan our Ohio golf Association tournament because they played at private clubs. I was in a lot of private golf clubs did not let those roadblocks stop her 1967 term Pro and became the second African-American to play on the LPGA tour where she faced new challenges we travel to the south lot and found there were like that is on my life or refused. You know, and restaurants.

So after he retired from the tour you stay involved.

Why I love the game of golf. After 13 years on the tour.

Powell retired and became an international ambassador for golf for decades teaching golf in Africa, Asia, Australia and Europe pounds. Contributions have gained her recognition here at the birthplace of golf, St. Andrews, Scotland. She allowed us to tag along on a recent visit. The last chapter is going to be about the kingdom of five all the things that happened here in Sanders what is happening in St. Andrews is amazing in 2015. Powell was among the first class of women to gain membership into the most exclusive club in the world.

The 265-year-old Royal and ancient golf club Alden Stewart Wilson sits on the club's membership in Renée, the club wanted to recognize pioneering playing career, a selfless work and see to the quality and also updating so much to pay for younger generations 2008, Powell received an honorary degree from the University of St. Andrews last year made her the first American in its 600 year history to have a residence hall and heard me Sally Napster is the University's principal, Randy was the person who stood out to me.

She represents what switches 16, 17 and actual pride in great achievements in policing ambition.

I'm thinking about yourself within the context of others, even on this trip to St. Andrews Powell was thinking of others. She arranged for her women's veterans group to travel to Scotland surprised them when they arrived to stay in Powell Hall.

The group played on the historical course and had tea at the University.

Your unselfish and bringing your women veterans here with you. We hope you take away will be going back to Clearview template is a positive effect to realize how much I appreciate it back at Clearview the veterans first golf was designed, built, owned and operated by an African-American in the United States. We want to keep this going for Renée for her Larry and Mr. Jane Pauley thank you for listening and please join us again next Sunday morning progressed crazy to its final season is point is we need people in the best way to protect final season Millstream exclusively on