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Learn more@edwardjones.com morning. I'm Jane Pauley and this is Sunday morning introduced this morning by Deborah Martin of Lebanon, Tennessee on the Bigelow trumpet over 19 pandemic is now spilled into May with no let up in its medical and economic fallout will began with a look at parallels between this outbreak and then earlier epidemic parallels that have Americans with long memories thinking. We've been here before Rita braver reports. Our cover story long before Kovic 19 there was another virus that terrified Americans what were your symptoms high aperture pain, headaches, about five days into it I delirious. I couldn't stand up ahead on Sunday morning. What we can learn from the race to conquer polio actor Henry Winkler has come a long way since those happy days as the Fonz and in the strangest of times. He'll be telling a story through the window to our Tracy Smith. I hope this doesn't disappoint. But Henry Winkler at home doesn't dress like the Fonz, so this isn't just for us, he would normally be in your pajamas. I might later on Sunday morning visit with Henry Winkler some old familiar products figure under this time of the new normal. Go food shopping with Mo Rocca. What's the word on baloney. We have seen the sandwich missive below is no exception. Really pickup there. The foods we reach for when we want to feel safe, but is very are another thing that make us feel like you know it makes you feel really cozy so I can totally imagine how much fried are not is like a go to thing comfort foods ahead on Sunday morning.

I'll be talking about marriage and other matters with Phil Donahue and Marlo Thomas sandstone introduces us to some fellow survivors of Kovic, 19 on this Sunday morning, May 3, 2020 will be right back 19 pandemic is triggering some familiar feelings among Americans of a certain age they've been here before. Our cover story as reported by Rita braver sorrow here hospitals overwhelmed closures all due to the deadly coronavirus and all hallmarks of another deadly and mysterious virus terrified Americans starting at the turn of the 20th century polio when huge outbreak in New York City June 1916 Park Bird by Bird tone about the fears of railroads push as Walter Cronkite recounted in this 1958 CBS news broadcast. That was just the beginning.

After World War II, polio became an ever greater national threat balls in polio cases 3000 cases 22,000 where what were your symptoms high aperture pain and I could not move.

I couldn't stand up. JoAnn Yeager was a healthy 14-year-old in Denver when she got polio in the summer of 1951.

She would spend three months in the hospital before the disease started to retreat as mysteriously as it attacked like Kovic, 19 polio had different effects on different people left Yeager with permanent weakness in her legs. Still you ever stop and think, wow, a lot of kids died from and that brought home real quickly because on the same floor of the word was on where the iron lung iron lungs were primitive respirators reading for patients like COBIT 19 which strikes older adults more frequently. Polio had a greater impact on a vulnerable age group.

Everyone is a polio young Carl. Carl Landers spent 10 years researching and coproducing a documentary about polio dear my friend polio. He says one pivotal adult was left paralyzed from the waist down Franklin D.

Roosevelt, who would later become Pres. Roosevelt contract virus 39 years old. Roosevelt helped launch the organization that came to be called the March of Dimes I'm going to the White House, all in an effort to curb this dreaded disease polio. There is really no effective treatment really helplessness the March of Dimes help fund a groundbreaking effort is the place birds this virus research, Jonas Salk and his team spent six years working on the vaccine conducting a huge nationwide trial on 1.8 million children most extraordinary field trial in medical no where to be effective with people are so afraid and believers of the Baltimore school kids guinea pigs for this new vaccine, but in 1955 file success is these very important to understand Dr. Paul Dupree, who holds the Jonas Salk chair and heads the Center for vaccine research at the University of Pittsburgh says the march of history gives today's scientist an advantage.

We can manipulate it, we can alter genetics.

The composition of these viruses in ways that Dr. Saul could only have dreamed Jonas Salk, of course, had competition. Dr. Albert Sabin developed an oral vaccine. A few years later. Now Dr. Dupree who is trying to adapt the measles vaccine to combat the coronavirus is one of scores of researchers around the world all working toward the same goal. Competition is something which drives innovation. But there's another C we need to be collaborative and nuts, not just colleagues in the United States is called all over the world, the FDA just approved an emergency treatment for COBIT.

19 but the greatest hope is for a vaccine.

Dupree and his team are already testing Verizon mice and elsewhere. Human trials have begun several already showing great promise you feel that the public is really behind scientists in the way they were behind those looking for polio vaccine, I do. I think it's hard in an instantaneous world that we live in. Everything needs to be done yesterday. It's hard to be patient. I think strong leadership clarity from scientists helps the public understand that we are doing our best to defeat this virus. Neither Jonas Salk nor Albert Sabin and their teams personally profited from their discoveries. Salk explained to CBS's Edward arm around the people I know, but the sun 65 years later with polio all but eradicated. It remains to be seen if the creators of the coronavirus vaccine will feel the same way as 483-year-old JoAnn Yeager, who still lives with the effects of polio. What lessons you think we can learn if we study polio academic that really can be a survivor of some of these illnesses and we come out better people.

Historian Carl Kerr Lander. We got a belief in the scientific community, Joni Mitchell, Neil Young at polio and ordinary people. Once the disease they were able to really become the best they could be were at her best when we work world defeat the unseen and what's on the menu during a lockdown.

There's the food we think we should be eating the food we really want to eat where in the checkout line with Mo Rocca, doesn't have its own aisle at the supermarket. Expected K was making cookies, treat yourself, not the five basic I have so many years.

Everybody's connecting because everybody go home and were right now most popular is everybody tries to navigate this pandemic. People really reach for something that would provide some instant comfort comfort food, it means something different to all of us. I want to put on the spot.

But if you got any Vienna sausages. We do have the sausages we got plenty of them. Jeffrey Temple lease with Portland Oregon's Fred Meyer grocery chain for his family. Comfort food tends towards the spicy, salty snack food variety.

So things like flaming hot chinos bunions and barky Pringles are essential for my wife but for many comfort food means old familiar brain Prego pasta sauce Duncan Hines cake mix, Campbells and Progresso soups have open flying off the shelves. Hello my grandfather all would be to think that there was bring comfort to people honorably RD Chef Boyardee and her son Jack aren't surprised that sales of the canned pasta jumped 186% compared to this time last year. Note to viewers. Do not confuse Chef Boyardee with SpaghettiOs which are up 38% brand 92 years old so a lot of generation, including the greatest generation during World War II Chef Boyardee fed US troops. All of this generation is really positive for connection to the brand. This isn't the first time the consumers have turned to shelfstable affordable foods in a time of crisis during the 2008 recession sales of Kool-Aid and Kraft macaroni and cheese spiked American cheese melts.

In a way, something, there's nothing else like it like plastic quilt of like perfect orange cheese so I probably writer, chef and TV host Sonny notes Rod thinks the way these foods you literally explains why people are turning to them now. I think soft foods are really comforting honestly like interesting you bring up soft field like type I love but processed foods out of plastic tubs doesn't equal comfort for everyone. I see a lot of baking both sweet and savory happening. You know the whole world seems to be interested in making bread.

Yes, the good old-fashioned oven is hot once again. One of the greatest things I think right now cooking for us is a little bit of an escape from our heads and from our worries, you're forced to smell, see, taste and touch and that gets you out of your head into your body which is so important right now we know is interesting is that your drawing a distinction there's there's comfort food in your talking about comfort cooking for me and I hope for other people that it's also something that we can derive pleasure from. There is no one recipe for comfort food.

It's whatever floats your gravy boat.

I actually find vegetables to be really comforting what I'm hearing people are being drawn to.

Because if there's other hardship and other anxiety. You just want that thing you feel like a warm hug for a lot of people and not like a spinach salad Winkler first made his mark is the funds on the TV series happy days way back in the 1970s these days.

The stay-at-home orders have put something on hold, leaving him time to speak through the window with our Tracy Smith is there anyone you want to see during a pandemic after writer, director, and all-around nice guy Winkler if it's through a glass door so Henry, how are you I I am like every body else in this country. I bet we have gone through every exact emotion, all without knowing it together. He's quarantining in his home in LA spot that still peaceful, despite construction nearby. I feel like I'm admiring your thrift shop window. Are you comfortable opening the door if I step back a little bit. I am okay yeah okay somehow Henry Winkler has always seemed comfortable in whatever situation or role he's taken on his latest teacher, Jean Cousineau wow wow HBO series.

Barry just saw you go to a place tonight. I have never seen before. Okay, I see you're still in place. I'm going to leave you process to show that comedy, tragedy Bill Hayter plays a hitman decides to try acting. I promise you work Winkler is his beloved, but self absorbed mentor classes so I'm just going to going last month the cast and crew thought they were going to start production on season number three we were at the table reading the first four scripts and we were going to come back the next day and read three and four and went home and never went back.

This was on March 1818. Have you kept in touch with other members of the cast all the time. We have a group chat and send funny things I am filled with anxiety thing hello things I'm hugging you things to the very cast father figure of sorts. So many of us, Henry Winkler will always be the coolest teenager on the block. Arthur Herber sponsor Ellie Fons from the TV comedy happy days which premiered in 1974 and made Winkler world-famous went to pick all these years later on Halloween Winkler's five grandkids actually dressed up as the funds that's so great and you know I didn't know he was going to do this when I walked in the house.

My heart flew out of my body. If my heart could leave my body and just for it would, but now he and his grandkids have to keep their distance. They visit with him from the driveway not being able to touch them to hug them and use them maybe worst of all, maybe worst. Still he knows he's lucky to be stuck inside with a partner.

Stacy, his wife of more than 40 years have you learned anything new about each other during this lockup together now but I will say the other day. Honestly, I said this to Stacy. I'm so proud of us. I am so proud because this is tough, you know, I don't know that two people were meant to be together 24 hours a day.

We have gotten a rhythm and we get along so well.

Tell me what you been doing a jigsaw puzzle, walking the dogs, binge watching reading Daniel Silva eating all a lot of good eating.

He's also been cowriting another in a series of kids books and getting packed talks to elementary students studying at home, no matter how hard learning is for you.

Remember this is nothing to do with how brilliant you are. Winkler says he didn't read a book until he was 31 years old. We should mention that when we talk about how your reading Daniel Silva in your writing these books people might not remember that your dyslexic. I am very dyslexic but I mean I am dyslexic to the point of distraction. I had a zoom meeting early this morning and I couldn't figure out. I didn't see what to do and so it just is. Wow. Even now, despite all that you've overcome. You never get better and every book I read.

I have on the shelf is a triumph Henry wing is another triumph we should mention can we take a peak at the MES at some where you have it so you have it there in 2018. Winkler won a prime time and first is working very I only have 37 seconds I got wings. So in the morning, you never know where you can find what a thing I all time and anyone and maybe at this particular time, Henry Winkler is a comfort reminder that good things can and will indoor you got funds when you were 27 yet and Cousineau. The part on Barry when you are 72. Unbelievable. Beautiful symmetry, believable if I if I did not understand gratitude before that, just that I had a dream that I would not be a flash in the pan. I had a dream that I would just continue and I did through the help of some wonderful friends through tenacity.

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We learn more about the coronavirus and possible treatments this past week. We also learned more about what the economic shutdown may need for retail stores in general and the department store. In particular, Dr. John the poop and money correspondent Jill's lessons are our tracking both stories. We begin with Jill solicitor for weeks. They been fields of desolation, but slowly mall parking lots are starting to come back to life mall started reopening on Friday in Texas and some southern states. Others are offering curbside pickup. I get stone briar center outside Dallas, Texas territory Stephanie Brazier is a senior vice president at Brookfield properties, which manages 170 malls across the country including stone briar research actually indicate looking forward to shopping in person, but as it struggles to reopen amid the deepest recession since the Great Depression. The retail industry is facing a new reality.

Biologically usually heard Scott Galloway is a professor of marketing at New York University calling about her strong retailers are probably emerged stronger and more foliage.

For a fewer number of elephants. That means the biggest names in retail are reaping the greatest benefits from those who spend their $1200 government checks to everyone by everything possible online right now. If you think about the stimulus spam is on Walmart shareholder because not only stimulus in the hands of consumers who spend a disproportionate amount of consumer dollars that an Amazon or Walmart and need those basic essentials, but they also had an opportunity to see 90% of their competitors closed as they deserted the streets and sheltered at home.

Americans have changed their everyday shopping habits, perhaps permanently, online grocery sales are way up.

Is this a growth area for the Stop & Shop.

The Kroger's of the world. You could see just in the last 90 days that were to take somewhere between $700 billion in US grocery commerce and storage online. No part of the retail industry has suffered more than department stores when they first appeared more than 150 years ago, they were feared as much as loved. Consumers really liked it, but who did not like it was the little stores that were being gobbled up.

The key thing to realize is that these department stores the 19th century, especially toward the end of it when there were many more of them.

They were the disruptors of their day every bit as much as Amazon Jan Whitaker has written about the history of department stores. She says the disruptors may be about to become the disrupted the department stores been in decline for a very long time Neiman Marcus and JCPenney are on the verge of bankruptcy. Others have furloughed hundreds of thousands of workers and seen their credit downgraded over 19 is really more of an accelerant that it is changing.

That is, the futures is happening is being pulled forward faster apartment stores are likely The Walking Dead they were in the seventh-inning life. Now they are officially in the bottom of the ninth. If you will, especially retail apparel at Brookfield properties there still committed to department stores but maybe hedging their bets a little. Many of us to walk into a mall are used when anchor start one big department store that's on either side, or maybe two different sides. Is that still the case today and if not what what replaces mysteries are still people partners theories according to market properties where we are replacing department stores with pressure sporting goods stores healthcare directive and we all stand opened a new company in Connecticut last year with you.

Department stores by tomorrow at least 15 malls and 68 Macy's are expected to reopen across the country.

The question for retailers is if they open will we come I'm Dr. John.

The poop four days ago Dr. Thatcher about the drug was an effective treatment for covert, not a cure but a huge step forward to reminded him of 1986 when it was finally a drug effective in treating HIV AIDS for me. Memories came flooding back.

You see I was an intern in March 1981. What I saw. The very first case of AIDS in the hospital were I train first bid on the left and the offensive. I could still tell you his name. I was a newly met the doctor.

I thought I was to save the world but them for years, every single patient with AIDS that I treated.everyone. Then in 1986 the young Dr. Anthony Fauci about the drug easy to was effective in treating HIV AIDS science old reliable science something to cherish and embrace.

Which brings us to right now you can understand why people started to get fed up with staying home and some states are tempted to open up sooner than they should.

But this is a moment to double down on science, not abandonment. That said, give yourself a break. This is hard, and it's been months of fewer hugs in 2009. My mother died.

My parents have been married for 66 years and after a few months my dad said to me, is it okay to pretending she still at the hairdresser's defense mechanism of denial was probably and he was finally coming to grips with the reality that she was not coming back that for many of us are right now realizing were in this for the long remember the long run includes talented, devoted scientists like Dr. Anthony Fauci.

There are still serious challenges ahead for making serious progress.

We have to continue to have faith in science. Graham is the mounting toll from coronavirus may be. There are also more and more survivors.

Our set stone among them hospital visit during this crisis. One week trip starting along. There is no family or Dr. Michael Saget seen it, so his his son, Dr. Harry SAG, no question. Over the past two weeks I've had the hardest conversations I've ever had with families but that reality makes this one all the more rewarding released the ranks surviving this coronavirus is another thing this father and son have in common. After Harry unknowingly infected his dad. Both of us knew where the road could go if things go downhill. We all are part of this group now of coronavirus survivors.

How was it to be on the other side of this person feels gratitude is removed. Disability truth is we don't know Dr. SAG is dedicated much of his career to studying AIDS at the University of Alabama and sees questions about potential immunity through the lens of an infectious disease researcher. There are some viruses like measles, mumps, rubella. Once you have, you don't get but there's other viruses like you cannot only get a second time second time the infection disease is much worse as I found after battling this coronavirus for weeks and finally testing negative more than a month later.

Initial relief gives way to a new set of questions for you know anyone had survived six months down the line so we have no idea what look like to have survived your out from getting two years out, Fiona Lowenstein, who was hospitalized for covert, 19 back in March started a support group for thousands of other coronavirus survivors number one shared experience is that symptoms are lingering for a long time. There also are a lot of people having similar mental health issues.

There's a lot of people saying my employer doesn't understand why I'm still not feeling well. My family doesn't understand my friends don't understand and I feel really loud recent article in the New York Times featuring stories of emboldened survivors throwing dinner parties and traveling left wondering, I think that there are a lot like these superheroes that are doing. I my uncles are still some time survivor Jacob Brown is still cautious after the virus took so much part-time restaurant job loss that obviously laid off all of the punches from covert family. This former New York software designer is now in North Carolina helping his family struggling toy business soaping by donating blood in his antibody rich plasma.

Some good can come from this. I have this rare opportunity to try and help with research. See, having had covert, 19 is a rare opportunity and hope in some ways life. I am glad Dr. Michael Saget is also donating blood, plasma, and he and his son always suit up in full protective gear.

When the each volunteer to treat 19 patients were you surprised that at this point we still know so little about this virus. No, I'm strong, but we know so much as we do, let's look at first was described in the early 19 wasn't until two years later that we found the cause of our wasn't until hereafter that we had a test and it wasn't until two or three years after that, we had our first real six years were less than six months. And while key questions about immunity remain.

He's optimistic.

My personal belief is researcher virologist provider and former patient. I really believe that the body will be protected and people will not be reinfected.

So is it fair to say there's a cautious sigh of relief.

Maybe put the only ones chasing rules and regulations department has proof. She seems harmless enough, nine-year-old Gonyea is part of a growing resistance in America lately she's been ticketing her parents for things like not trying to work it out.

Not listening to me, and adding corn to the chili. What it seems like you got a little shorter fuse. How's your quarantine going to write no King George the was cute when his little brats built in the harbor. That's what this concerns me across the country.

Kids are picking up the pitchforks for the tiniest grievances. There was peace in the land what happened.

This is far hotter and you we went for a walk. It was too long of a walk. Apparently he says that triggered a written demand from his two children and later bedtime. It says here if you do not sign we will declare war on the parents and there's no signature so Seymour is happening yeah war broke out that day. I could stick my wife's prisoner in my son's room at the left like there's 10-year-old Jackson fine issued a travel ban because parents banned all entry to your room because of coronavirus elation every day.

Jackson now considers himself a separate state with his own rational from the country up to place it on a constant is torture for his parents and I talked to the enemy.

This is King like yeah how to get this far. Unfortunately, his unit on the American Revolution came right before Mike says is been drafting manifestoes ever since.

So certainly force me to make unfair agreements that I don't have any say in the cab life is life will parents in America have never been more children in America never more so after you sell your mask, you may want to save whitefly conversation this morning with talkshow veteran Phil Donahue and his wife, actress Marlo Thomas subject secrets of marriages last you guys. I love that you rests on the behind clothing, facemasks, and bundled against the blustery April. She'll recognize Marlo Thomas and Phil Donahue says they've been locked up by giving them haircuts, but for his signature gray hair, bald this marriage. So far so good. They celebrate their 40th anniversary this month. Your wedding nursery may well I'm born November 21 is born December 21 and we specifically decided to be married 21 cell five 2121 Flag Day one of us would ever know our bursary to mark the occasion. They wrote a book about marriage featuring 40 famous couples who stood the test of time and many other tests along the way. Having a sick kid having a bad mother-in-law losing all your money addiction of all kinds infidelity any issue you can imagine that any marriage could face in our book they face it, so you guys begin typically we start with that question really double date. Double date that began with crackers and cheese and eventually got down to brass tacks.

We talked about how you fight back from a five championship fighters. I'm thinking of Chip and Joanna Gaines, the fixer-upper couple smart as you could plant them you can put the hand just want to make sure that were on the same page. They thought a lot in the beginning of their marriage that she's very cautious and he's crazy adventure but is it what they were having an argument in the middle of the sheet your hand on a bucket of paint and it spilled all over. It was dripping from her face in a close, but she didn't stop. She just kept screaming and yelling he said he thought a lot. I love this woman. She is Billy Crystal met Janice his wife of 50 years when he was 17. He didn't even have a drivers license yeah why did he cling so ferociously to the teenage girl he fell in love with when he was believed in each other. One things I was impressed with Janice and Billy and Arlene and Alan Alda. These are guys that had careers that were really going nowhere.

Billy Crystal was a substitute teacher, Alan Alda drove a cab, but their wives believed in them. Their wives never said to them, as many wives might get a real job which are currently welcome Marlo Thomas Marlowe's love affair began in 1977 really fascinated. You are one of the TV audience.

You are loving and generous like women in their life is very lucky really wasn't an interview. Marriage is the little I just don't believe it's for me.

It seems it is only a place for one and 1/2 person. The person that has the dream and the other person who supports the dream while my parents for one her mother had given up a singing career to marry the star of TVs Danny Thomas show but within weeks.

Marlo Thomas was a regular guest at the home of a single dad raising four boys in Winnetka, Illinois.

Being single and was almost your brand is never getting married. The character she played in the hit TV series Marlo Thomas was pursuing a career all day for the first time in television young girl who wasn't thinking about getting married.

She was thinking about who she could be in the world revolutionary idea in 1966.

Typically, one was always a really smart guy. I love learning from and the other one was the sexy guy little girl in his four head. I never could put them together.

I didn't think that it was possible to find a mate who would be so smart and so exciting to my brain and also be exciting to my home a little girl there were times you wouldn't Marlo me use the modern lingo awoke man you, your reputation, you were daytime close to God about women was that that real all show up on guests, including, I always say I'm so lucky I married a man saw the Donahue show every day to day every day Donahue show their first use the caller you you posted some of their adventures on Instagram learning a lot in the bunker. Marlowe's teaching Phil to make spaghetti sauce, shopping little bit around the ears. Phil and Milo home alone and making a marriage that lasts just perfect believe that marriage is a question of life, and it does help you get up and over whatever issue it is and what it can get and get through it to the other side and every time you do that for each other that grade of love and steel in trust just gets tighter and tighter so that somebody else can't break it. Nobody self quarantines quite like our Jim Gaffigan hears his look back at week seven okay it happened been in quarantine in my New York City apartment with my wife and five children for work now hundred years financially been seven weeks, but it finally happened.

I miss other people and I'm not talking about my friends miss my friend. Not all people who come show follow me on social media.

Obviously those were good.

Excellent pace other people. The strangers, the people I don't know who I haven't seen for seven weeks seal living in an urban setting like I do.

Other people are strangers integral part of my life.

I can't walk down the street right to somewhere pick up my kid from school without acting with strangers. Pre-pandemic wasn't a fan of strangers. Strangers seem to be in the way strangers seem to be a burden now. I miss that person at the start looking for their ID standing in front of the TSA. I miss that person.

I miss the people I would see in my neighborhood once a month. The lady with the enormous dog certainly wouldn't fit in the New York City apartment and this guy in the fashionable green overalls when everyone would see me in my oversize family. Nero wasn't smearing his expression. My point is I miss community humans, we are social animals hug. I need a smear. I look forward to day one.

If you can, smearing me, I'm Jane Pauley. Please stay safe and join us when our trumpet sounds again next Sunday morning with this week. Stephen Long live Mitch McConnell in one of Washington's biggest midterm monument list for me to set races you think Republicans have the best chance of taking his democratic seed with Nevada not Georgia.

Georgia is right up there with New Hampshire's products to New Hampshire people really just don't like you have more from this week's conversation, follow the take out with Maj. Garrett on Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts