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Tracy Smith talks with comic actor and artist Jim Carrey about his “semi-autobiographical novel,” “Memoirs and Misinformation. "Norman Lear and Dick Van Dyke talk with Mo Rocca about the passing of a comedy giant, Carl Reiner. Ted Koppel reports on how the pandemic could mark the end of a New York City icon – yellow cab drivers; And Kelefa Sanneh reflects on Frederick Douglass' 1852 speech, "What to the Slave Is the Fourth of July?."

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Learn more@edwardjones.com happy Independence Day weekend and Polly is off today. This is something more introduce this morning on the piccolo or bending of light is over for much of the country.

This Fourth of July has been less red white and blue. The normal with few fireworks are big barbecues, which makes it really difficult to follow the crowd as Susan Spencer will report in our Sunday morning cover story country music superstar Alan Jackson recently played to the largest American concert crowd. Since the pandemic sitting in and on their cars, but you could feel the energy from the audience build newsletter rigor shown from concerts to movies to sports the future of fun later on Sunday morning are Tracy Smith is a round of questions and answers this morning for Jim Carrey, a man of many talents and strengths detergent in this weird summer of 2020. A chat with Jim Carrey as experience will nothing is real and there we go. Nothing Israel is true of peak inside the mind of Jim Carrey head on Sunday morning.

We lost company legend Carl Reiner this past week, but his work will surely keep fans laughing for many many years, Mohawk will remind us why you brought last generations end up cockeyed. This may be a little hokey, but what you think kept him going so long. We both like you is administered to we remember Carl Reiner linger on Sunday morning.

Ted Koppel hailed a taxi and here's the woes of a new naturalized citizen Christine Johnson visits with Grammy-winning singer Gary Clark Junior caliphate said remembers a Fourth of July speech for Frederick Douglass 160 years ago plus thoughts are Nancy Giles, Steve Hartman, Jim Gaffigan stay with us this Sunday morning July 5, 2020 will be back in the weekends and big gatherings usually go, but not this year. Follow the crowd would most celebrations canceled but that doesn't mean you can't celebrate apart our cover story is reported by Susan Spencer, country music superstar Alan Jackson has sold 16 million albums worldwide last month he did something, perhaps even more remarkable is on back-to-back nights in Alabama, Jackson played to the largest American concert crowd since the pandemic took over our lives so well thousand fans in total, all desperate for a break so you can assign jingle bells you know and so excited to see you heard rumors of people drove all his drive-in style shows took place in vast open fields with fans sitting in and on their cars, pickups and SUVs build newsletter rigor shown here. Concertgoers were told to social distance their vehicles and protect themselves. But it's not always easy when you're having fun.

I see a lot of creativity, a lot of innovation in the way that people are getting Dr. Drew Kumar is a health policy researcher and while Cornell medical College in New York City. He says Americans may have to start redefining the meaning of fun.

Whenever I think about large gatherings.

There's a few kind of risk that I take into account the first is is the gathering unity inside or outside. We know that outdoor gatherings are much safer than indoor. As for events that can't be moved outside. Would you feel comfortable today. Going to a movie. I would not feel comfortable today. Going to a movie theater, I would recommend my patients do that at this time you go to an indoor concert in indoor concert is even more dangerous movie theater, concert EasyShare or yelling or singing along and means a lot of those droplets, even microscopic droplets are flying out of your mouth and are flying out of the mouth. The person next to you, you're really being quite a killjoy here.

I'm the first to tell you.

I wish there were ways right now which and for life to go back to normal.

Normal these days is anything but. And you may as well get used to that mask most public health officials would say that anytime you have a large gathering mass should be mandatory even outside even outside. How do you see college sports returning in a very complicated way.

As Commissioner of the America East conference in Division I college sports. Amy Huck Tauzin has a front row seat to this new world is difficult no clear answers or direction about this.

I don't envy you your job arenas could see big changes. Limited seating capacity staggered entry points compulsive cleaning. The only thing off the table is your lunch going up and grabbing food in exchange probably well so you don't stand in the long line waiting for the hot you probably not getting a hot dog sitting on a tray not I think they will be will be modified. As for the action on the field. Can you imagine a world without high-fives without hugs. I find hard to believe certain land that plane because they know they can control spitting and baseball and show that you have baseball but major league baseball. There will be a shortened 16 game season starts in a few weeks. The NFL is targeting a September kickoff and the NBA intends to play with out fans.

Some events may be with out fans even if fans are allowed. Suppose I came to you and said look I have front row seats Madison Square Garden your favorite performer, are you in.

I don't think so. Not today wanted to. How do people feel he feels that if they feel like there to be able to keep their friends and family is healthy.

If they go out. I think a lot of people have second thoughts about that and understandably so.

Then again, these folks seemed pretty happy. So what was a community reaction when you announced yes, there will be baseball roots. Darren Musselwhite is the mayor of Southaven, Mississippi, where the annual youth baseball tournament on hold since March started up again in May. What we felt like sleep you got this one pursuit. What about fans who might be afraid to attend an event like this. I think it goes back to you.

This is America really just to make her own decisions of feel like going. Don't go the hundred or so fans are showed up, followed protocol families together socially distanced with limits on seats and on the number of players in the dugout is saying we are governor open radios so you'll be a logical person safe enough going through an indoor casino certainly.

But as we've learned in a pandemic. Circumstances can change in an instant. I suppose individual teams would have to decide what they would do if one of their players is positive and monumental task.

There is no way that he picture nicer clear achievement test positive first step, I think, is to self isolate later and then to test everyone else on the team to make sure that it hasn't spread to others. Yet despite such diary scenarios. Dr. Kumar holds out hope that one day are carefree old normal will be the new normal again. Look back at you know the 1918 Spanish flu pandemic. After that you had the roaring 20s so you can envision something like that happening again in Alabama last month.

It was easy to envision, Alan Jackson has no more concerts scheduled but for a couple of nights. It felt a little like good times on for just about all of his 98 years, Carl Reiner made people laugh died this past Monday tribute to been pouring in all week.

Which brings us to this one for marble rock first thing the morning before have coffee reveal boots seriously. Yes, if I'm not in the breakfast even when discussing something grim. I think about how I'd like to go on a show. This would be if I was talking to you, Carl Reiner died last week and 90 couldn't help but sound sunny, it was rare.

Remember him being in the bed or Charlie legendary TV writer and producer, Norman Lear, now 97 was close friends with Reiner for more than 50 years. This may be a little hokey, but what you think kept him going so long so we both like you and Mr. to Carl Reiner didn't miss a lot one of television comedies, founding fathers, Reiner first came into our homes as a featured player on your show of show lost 60this hospital on your show of shows second banana to Sid Caesar, I will want to meet him so good in that role.

No need to be the principal and a lot of comics so he could be very funny as a sidekick is probably best known for cleaning the Dyke show, which began hearing on yes in 1961 he started band type as the head writer of a fictional program will Reiner played the blowhard host greater human being I've ever met my life you lead program.

For some reason Carl D. Understanding about human behavior and what motivated people do what they do is all well myself going off for about life razor my kids about family greeted me along. Rob visibly got approval for Mr. Coble to get lost, Dick Van Dyke graced us with some of the only direction to the show's theme from file from certified down profile Rob oh Carl understood go go costume. There was no venue where Reiner killed change on TV season is film director and sometime actor I think are in the right to be selfish. Know and remember comedy albums he and Mel Brooks had one of the biggest with the 2000-year-old man with Reiner once again playing the straightman somersault garage. He worked so well with because know you so he be up front. Carl was a chapped name from the side, Carl and Mel were a match made in comedy heaven. Reiner's lifelong costar with his beloved wife Estelle, I want to hear about the blacker the couple reminisced about their first meeting back in 2007 with Tracy Smith really good looking but like that.

The D 10 years later, after Estelle had passed away, Reiner reflected a good grandchildren a good life is what you send out to the world. I have three children, non-toxic children will have done great things are not continuing to do great things in marriage of 65 years. That's the only thing that the fund really defined. There is a stereotype about comics being dark, Carl Reiner was all light a few days ago. Normally her son-in-law around Dr. John sent us this video clip of Carl Reiner greeting Lear at a party in 2000 strangers this season but he was a great Jim who senses the essence of Carl also loved being with his friends. There was never really trying. So good to talk about your joy and ask what he brought to everything you like.

So many musical artists Grammy winner Gary Clark Junior will be touring anytime soon but Christine Johnson reminds us just what his fans have been missing their confidence with your wine and man that called you his mastery of the six string Grammy 2013, the White House, even toward the Rolling Stone and Eric Clapton. By the way, said that he's never seen a flow like yours flow like my.

He says that I haven't seen someone like that pressure Ginny Hendrick. This 36-year-old is still allowing comparisons like that to sink in.

As he told us when we sat down with them at his ranch in Texas doesn't really run at home. While this is real.

All those dreams and hopes to raise that as a kid and I thought with Celia, and I was scared to share with people because they might think, my Gary Clark Junior is from Austin Texas, the son of Gary Clark, senior car salesman and his wife Andy and accountant mom still does. His books and says her son's life changed forever.

At age 12 he got the guitar for Christmas and then picked a couple of books and totally self-taught news upstairs in his room plan. In this this got up just as close or open up doing their use is hidden note for note that you the very next year, Clark was good enough to play gigs in the city on school nights, no less.

I used to feel guilty having like I have my 13 bar. Why did you want church Sunday. Pres., we caught up with Clark on the Senate's music video pearl Cadillac leaving and understanding every mother had done that earned him the nickname thousand one Gary just 17 with featured on the local news.

I know all that same year Austin Mayor proclaim May 3 Gary Clark Junior day. How do you measure success, beautiful family supportive wife back all I think that success success has also allowed him to buy his own piece Texas Hill country.

This is my peaceful songs of my serenity different than when you're on stage and screaming fans up there, you got your guitar going so noisy I like to hear your nature enough clocks ranch outside of Boston is where he lives with his wife.

Australian model Nicole Tran feel in their children.

It's also where with music when he's not out touring the country and it was this land that gave Clark the material for the title track on his latest album about a confrontation with the neighbor couldn't believe a black man could own this land is me a reality. Clark, parent couldn't shield him from season foods, what was the discussion in the household things happened to the persons to the person to person you are. That's someone else with the problem I was born. Love you so so my judgment based upon this, not asking questions, not even try getting here is maybe upset and said curious about the future family tap into your motion about you and yeah they unlock things that I think Lazar was told not Gary Clark Junior he's considered the greatest guitarist in a generation. Tell him this pair down Fourth of July holiday has been tough on everybody, including graphic. I'm sure it wasn't your most social Fourth of July celebration, but at least you got to participate.

I learned a long time and I don't need to be in a group of people eat too many hotdogs and hamburgers and your social distance and fireworks, you're going to get hurt. I would say Fourth of July is probably my least painful calendar notification. I've received during the pandemic.

Like many of you I have notifications on my computer of upcoming events back in March and April. Many of those events had to be canceled because participating in them would mean death for someone. Unfortunately I didn't remove those events from my calendar as a result, every couple days to receive a reminder of what my life could have and should have been like thing I was going to perform at radio city music Hall by careers over why I was flying to LA to change my career going to happen thing for family to do our annual summer beach vacation had to cancel that corona, even insurance. We got didn't cover cost of the rental.

I had the whole thing but it's a reminder I'm deftly going broke thing were not attending the family reunion this year.

I guess it's not all bad news is take out with Rachel Gary this week Stephen Law ally of Mitch McConnell in one of Washington's biggest midterm monument list for me to Senate races you think Republicans have the best chance of taking a democratic seed with Nevada not Georgia. Georgia is right up there with New Hampshire's surprise, New Hampshire people really just kind of don't like that you have for more from this week's conversation, follow the take out with Maj. Garrett on Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts 168 years ago today Frederick Douglass spoke in Rochester, New York, on the subject of the Declaration of Independence had a decidedly different take on what it meant. As is about to tell Mr. Pres., friends and fellow citizens as much previous thought and study for its proper performance.

It's considered one of the greatest speeches in American history of your national independence your political freedom, delivered at an Independence Day event by abolitionist Frederick Douglass. The distance between this platform and the slave plantation.

I escaped is considerable today across Massachusetts entities come together to read the speech allowed during the July 4 holiday are the great principles of political freedom and of natural justice extended to us. The tradition started 11 years ago which surprised me the most about people's reaction is both sheer delight that many of our residents show when reading the address Kendrick Roy, a PhD candidate in American studies at Harvard University leads the readings in summer suburb of Boston conviction with which they read Doug with his words. It's inspiring. It's infectious. Frederick Douglass escaped slavery in 1838 and fled north becoming a leader in the fight to abolish slavery entire July 1. If Independence Day was a time to throw a parade he would be the rain says what the American slave is your Fourth of July answer day that reveals to him more than all other days in the year.

The gross injustice and faulty which he is the constant victim celebration points to be injustice and cruelty to which they are subjected.

In 1852 I couldn't help but draw an immediate line to our present day. When I turn on the TV. I see people of color still being subjected to injustice and to cruelty. The Civil War was still nearly a decade away and slavery remained firmly in place.

Douglass wanted to make it clear this was an emergency think that people hearing this speech and the audience in Rochester in 1852 would've been surprised or shocked by any of it. I think they might've been surprised or shocked by Douglass's boldness, but they would've been awed by his eloquence, fellow citizens, I am not wanting and respect for the fathers of this Republic. The signers of the Declaration of Independence were brave men with speech begins with Douglass being very congenial and chatting with the crowd getting the crowd interested in what he's about to say most of your love and then he will be a searing critique of the United States. While the whole political power of the nation's solemnly pledge to support and perpetuate the enslavement of 3 million of your countrymen, though he does say that the Constitution for infants is still a glorious liberty document and then towards the end he gives us a sense of hopefulness of America achieving what it could become a dark picture. I have to this day presented to the state of the nation.

I do not despair of this country. There are forces in operation which must inevitably work the downfall of slavery.

Frederick Douglass did see the abolition of slavery in 1865. I therefore leave off or I began with hope and Kendrick. Roy says the people of Massachusetts will keep sharing his words and learning from his example is not a country can do better the country will Douglass is very convinced he believes to his core that this country will do better. He is advocating for change and he sees progress being made, but he doesn't let up. That's one of the key messages that his speech has for us today.

We also Lit up in our desire to agitate to change the country and ceremonies for new American citizens are Fourth of July tradition that needed some adjusting. This fourth department discovered in America you can get almost anything you drive through, including now this very happy spiel and arrange to write the oath of allegiance to become a US citizen. Crazy as it looks. This is how the American dream now starts immigrants who completed all the requirements are pulling in the parking lots from Diego to Maureen to Detroit for socially distant naturalization ceremony on Thursday in Albany, New York, US citizenship and immigration services printed the nine brand-new Americans all This is so chic allots a boy so what is different now. The five minutes she emigrated from the nation and delight while the saut came here from Ghana in the 1980s waiting 38 years just for the which explains the suit and tie in reference for his new country is giving me works as a respiratory therapist to good Samaritan Hospital in Suffern, New York. He's in the thick of this pandemic.

But he says he's not scared. Not now. Now that he's a proud American, even if I died today. Now that your citizen, coronavirus has changed so many of our routines. Fortunately, there is no moments of love, acceptance and gratitude. That's why.

Not even a drive-through ceremony can dampen the joy of being here to stay. All all all imagine what it might be like to sit down with the unpredictable comedian Jim Carrey for few questions and answers.

If you can imagine it, Lori, Tracy Smith is here to show us in times like this I chat with Jim Carrey can be just a bit surreal and quiet and let you go now and it seems like he's just as quirky as an author carries memoirs and misinformation is out this week a memoir/novel that is worked on for eight years with cowriter Dana Sean what's the process been like last year's is deeply intense and the two of us in the room really getting it right perfect wedding sweater and also letting every time. I know it's fiction, but you really put yourself out there myself and to lay on a rock and let the balls plan trails out here for all of my carries memoir doesn't fit into an category, but it does share a few teams with some of his movies.

He cast himself as a flawed leading man. You can call me Bruce like the one in Bruce Almighty good afternoon good evening and good night and in the book.

He lives in a Truman show like world where it's often hard to tell where the fantasy and reality.

Even though this is fiction. Do you think we emerge with a clear idea of who Jim Carrey I think it's the best way to get to know me is to get to know my mind I like to go way back now and what a strange place, his mind seems to be long before Jim Carrey became a big-name comedian make his family.

How at their home north of Toronto, often as a sidekick to his father, Percy, one of the parts of the book that feels more memoir to me is when you talk about your childhood and your parents talk a lot about your dad with.

He your hero my dad the whole world could know my dad, but maybe they know a little bit through me was there for me as much absolute champion Percy Carey was the one who helped young Jim Wright his first jokes and drove him to his first club gigs that he basically saved you because he brought his conical kind of saw not to be happy till I'm sobbing.

That's not the plan. I swear his dad helped him put together a stage at something wonderful and found a place to let it fly gospel singers on the PTO said you know there's places go call eclipse know you should go check it out early on Carrey's career was a mixed bag. He killed in the club held an audition. Saturday Night Live it didn't crush you always had a nonsensical belief in myself and universe. I didn't make it on Saturday night long.

Basically what happens to me is there is an automatic reset that my brain goes into what I say I might not be able to make it through the front door like everybody else, but I'll make it to the basement window. I'll make it through the back door. I'll find a way to perish and get on the roof and climbed into a window. I have faith I think faith is better than no hope walks through the fire shaped leaps over in 1990 cast on the way and families groundbreaking sketch comedy show in living color credible talents in the African-American community that supported me and allowed me to grow in their world they created the wins big break camp for thank them enough. Carrey also writes about.

Another big influence in his life.

Legendary comedian Rodney Dangerfield to you as a mentor.

He was a friend. He just loved you loved me and encouraged me. I get on stage and say draw some new stuff that I say you know he said. Good stuff. Good stuff is great that he was completely encouraging to me, and when Dangerfield lay dying in a hospital in 2004, Carrey was with them is a moment we talk about in the book where I saw him just before he passed night. I joked with them, and I laughed with them and and suddenly the machines lit up in the room, all the doctors and nurses ran into the room and said what happened what happened you doing really seems like he's trying to speak. They said this hasn't happened for a while and there's been no activity at all. I just knew I was there.

I wonder what Ronnie would've said about these for a while now carries been trying out other media like painting and political cartoons and for advice. He says he listens to his daughter Jane, my daughter is one of the most brilliant councils of my life. Honest. She's so wise and so loving she brought me back from the brink.

Couple times just has chimed in with a few words that have really like open my heart and settled me down and made me feel like everything's all right. She's just wonderful and she's also made him a grandfather my teeth out so is greater go swimming and stuff like that on a beach in screening and all.

And maybe he had his grandson in mind for his latest movie brilliance or thanks you poke fun at big studio family films in this book, and yet you just made Sonic the Hedgehog I'm I'm fully aware of the hypocrisy. I am living it mean to celebrate it occasional times when I go know there's nothing wrong with doing something family-friendly. As long as I'm not a complete sellout mode when I do it sky is something else you might say Jim Carey after it's no different than Jim Carrey, comedian Jim Carrey, the author my grasp on insanity remains absolute often ridiculously funny that I stop and completely unpredictable. I challenge my audience will rather invest a lot of political cartoonist and an author. Now maybe because I know how beautiful gift that is.

And I'm very grateful for seemed to be gaining acceptance places, which is incredible what what a life of happened this past week. News of the death of Hugh Downs down started his broadcasting career in radio's voice boosted up the ladder to ever finally landing him and NBC 19 while the peacock performed a number of roles including sidekick to Jack Parr on the Tonight Show. Eventually, host of the today show alongside Barbara Walters. Years later he and Walters were reunited at ABC. This time you go memoir he referred to his house and now the amount of airtime which for years never.

Steve Hartman showed us earlier swearing in of new American citizens July 4 prediction, but citizenship is no guarantee of a smooth road ahead for even the hardest working senior contributor Ted Koppel children in years to come, especially for show city full of streets are mostly it's estimated that 90% of the taxi business is dried up one of the survey with help from the National Guard started this program paying cabdrivers to deliver food to low income house phone is guys for 45 Mohammed Ali you yellow cabdriver of many years standing gets up before dawn to participant he knows there's a health risk, but this is not all is what I do know people suffer because drivers earn $53.

Each room entails about six deliveries and it means waiting in line for hours to get fully loaded lugging boxes of food opened the crowded apartment complexes and then cleaning up for the next school is very good golf challenge and nine hours. Most of waiting to deliver Iran's hundred dollars for his work even close to the amount he needs to pay a fraction of his monthly expense as a young immigrant from West Africa back in 1994 settlement happens through rose colored glasses is what in 2003 became an American citizen by 2004. Mohammed, you have learned that you don't get rich just driving to make money just told you need to own the taxi to own it, you need a special license, daddy paid for the promoting the deal as essentially risk-free and it was New York City that is made literally tons of dollars selling these medallions at auction when there are more buyers than medallions. The price goes up in the Syrians were given an immigrant cabdriver could get how much so that you had $13,000 that you have on your two credit cards 20,000 cash down on the $331,000 bid within about a year Mohammed was medallion appreciated more than $100,000 and, remarkably, the value kept rising, so will this you heard correctly seven years ago in the Siri on paper. Mohammed will you was a millionaire would come in now will you get Brian Rosenthal a reporter for the New York Times one surprise for his series, exposing the taxi medallions. It was the city sold the medallions, the brokers who collected commissions and the banquets loans and sold some of them will know when not all I've been investigating as Brian explained in the New York Times documentary series the weekly Lowe's mother's were moneymakers just not for the driver. Eventually you realize that this wasn't by accident. Many insiders knew the whole thing was a house of cards will will will and will always going to all and my memories of last summer.

The New York City Council held a hearing on what was called the owner driver crisis. Mohammed, do you was one of the witness is what is you see on speaks of the plaintiff of his status as a millionaire.

I'm in there is never to see that no money of the drivers are convinced of rideshare companies like Liston will work on their business. Even without the Moses Brian Rosenthal medallion bubble's. How about the value of the six months ago less than 100,000.

What Mohammed still owes on that however is more than $600,000.

The chances that he'll ever be able to pay that off slim and one slender ray of sunshine New York State's Atty. Gen. is preparing to sue the city of New York to the tune of more than $800 million for misleading medallion owners could take years and even that some wouldn't make the drivers hold and then of course there's the pandemic well over 50 cabdrivers have died from the virus since March. These are some of their faces.

Most drivers these days is staying home this you available shares just or worse the health risk. All we got was nothing all. If you watch last week's broadcast. You have some pretty strong feelings about our opinion essay on so-called Karen will you will owe Nancy Giles certainly did the last few weeks.

It felt like one got punch after another from the murders of Ahmad Ardrey and George Floyd to that crazed 911 call by Amy Cooper. All three events were thankfully captured on cell phone video from millions of people to see undeniable proof of the racist acts that some of us have lived with for a long time so last week when our broadcast aired an opinion essay on the term Karen and Karen shaming. I thought really okay here's the thing when it comes to the Karen's, Becky's, even cans of the world who don't like being called out for their gross behavior always privilege and sometimes incendiary to call the police on eight-year-old girl you hide all you want, what tough something called consequences and they need to face theirs. Are you sure it's not because you black people. The social media shaming is not more important than the horrific behavior it's self calling someone a Karen is about sexism. It has to do with specific behavior and actions. A person who weapon nice. Is there privilege. By the way calling someone a Karen is not the worst thing you can say people of color in this country have been called a lot worse for a lot less. They are the real victims here, we seen this Karen connective tissue throughout our history when false accusations led to the murder of Emmett till the conviction and imprisonment of the Scottsboro boys and were used as a diversion for Susan Smith, to name just a few examples. If you don't know their stories, that's the culture I'd like to cancel stop with the lies that boy whistled at me. He was black. It was a carjacking and then he kidnapped my children 911. I'm being threatened by a man, I will cancel the micro aggressions to hear you that up and tossed my way.

You sound urban deliver in this building.

The fishing additions are down the hall. Now my white friends are finally seeing it for themselves on video and they're starting to understand that they can never understand what it's like to be on the receiving end of this insanity.

Black people have lived with this for 400 years, so it's white people's turn to deal with themselves.

Time for the Karen's keys and even the cans to stop whining, take a beat and try listening messy and awkward if they're willing, they might just learn something that's worth it for all of us. I we count, we hope your fourth was memorable in its own unique way and you'll join us trumpet sound again next. Stay safe and crazy to its final point is when people in the best way to protect people final season Millstream exclusively on