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Of course, even as a long hidden issue within the ranks is coming out of the shadows for an unknown number of them. It involves a sensitive and very personal matter. SF dome will report earlier this month the Vatican confirmed priests cannot bless same-sex partnerships, but within this closed off institution, there's an open secret. How many gay priests to think there are other was 40%. I would be surprised. There was a person I wouldn't be surprised.

That's quite something. So head on Sunday morning.

Gay Catholic priests coming out of the shadows.

Brenda Vaccaro is a veteran actor and a very funny lady who is in conversation this morning with our maraca people staring actress Brenda Vaccaro's been around a long time in coming. Man thinks I work out there. She's just not sure how long. Sometimes I wake up I just think I guess they say that to you when you're old later on Sunday morning. Hello Brenda Vaccaro I got very zealous. Tammy Duckworth's path to the United States Senate is very much a profile, encourage she'll share her story with Nancy Cortes when Tammy Duckworth joined the Army National Guard women were banned from direct combat positions, but she still made it to the front lines and found her calling in life by learning to fly Blackhawk helicopters.

I love the intricacy you look at that nobody would think I will kick your ass. Tammy Duckworth's journey from pilot seat Senate seat coming up this Sunday morning.

John Blackstone remembers not so long ago golden age of creativity in Los Angeles. Erin Moriarty asks if we can make a distinction between an important work of art and the sins of the artist who created it. Tracy Smith has a Sunday profile of actor Leslie Odom Junior class Steve Hartman humor from Jim Gaffigan and Nancy Giles serves up some chicken soup.

It's Sunday morning March 28, 2021 and will be back in a moment earlier this month the Vatican declared the Catholic Church won't bless same-sex unions saying it cannot bless the sin that comes even as a number of priests are beginning to come out of the shadows, SF Stone, Thomas the city with its soaring cathedral ceiling and sacraments is typical of any Catholic service, but the similarities stop with this sermon because if there is anything that an LGBT Q person will know it is they were going to phase opposition. Yes father, Greg Reitan said we we members of the LGBT Q community. You're one of very few openly gay priests know how many I've always heard the number thrown out like 10 of us that are really out there. All glory there are roughly 38,000 priests in America. What are you risking by being out. Sometimes it feels like I have to walk on a tight rope father Greg came out to his congregation is Milwaukee suburb about three years ago at age 51 rooms so this moment came after a lifetime of struggle serving a church that teaches that acting on homosexual feelings is a sin, I just want to break the silence were here for me.

So that was part of the hypocrisy that I was watching happen.

Did you feel like a hypocrite when you were appear at the pulpit and not out.

I personally did. It's like wearing a mass every day I have to go up there and pretend I'm something that I'm not bless you, he pledged as all priests do to live a celibate life for him. This was not about sexual activity but identity he found folks at his congregation were overwhelmingly supportive. Does it matter to you.

The priest here is gay.

The positive thing Carolyn Fred Weber son had come out to them as earlier we went in the class for a while until we were able to accept course. We loved our son. Later they say having an openly gay priest help, but the church itself has not been so pleased the unwritten commenters don't talk about. We know you're there would be silent I'm not courageous enough yet. Father Frederick is will call them feared losing his salary healthcare church housing pension and the authority to minister what is it say that you need to do this interview in shadow. It says that it's not cool to be gay. If your praise and if you are gay. The priest both at the same time, you gotta hide one or the other. He likened that seek receipt to the double life of spies. Did you remain celibate as a priest. No I did not.

I experimented.

I struggled there were liaisons there were relationships and there was love several times love and sexual intimacy with another man. Yes, with other priests once or twice. He said his seminary, where he trained to be a priest was a warehouse of young men struggling with their sexuality, they were encouraged from the top and the beginning to keep quiet.

What's the effect of this culture of silence on the church.

It is a slow moving cancer persona gay.

Pope Francis famously responded we might adjudge. When asked about gay priests during a papal press conference. He's also said that anyone with deep-seated homosexual tendencies shouldn't be a priest there places not in ministry or in consecrated life. He said I think if you had suddenly all the gay priests in the United States come out. I think the church would be forced to look at the question of homosexuality, a very different life father James Martin, the Jets would priest and author is the most high-profile advocate for LGBT Q Catholics and in 2019, Pope Francis requested a meeting with him. The Vatican put our audience on the Pope's official schedule they sent out a picture I met with them in the apostolic Palace which is where he meets with presidents and diplomats was a pretty strong sign the support.

The tone is new. The teachings haven't changed the teachings haven't changed, but the tone is very important and Morton's is ultimately Catholic leaders need to shift their thinking it's a life issue. We have high suicide rates among LGBT youth and we also places in the world were gay people can be arrested and executed for being good. He calls Pope Francis, the most pro-LGBT Pope ever acknowledges that's not a high bar. Francis is the first pope to use the word gay publicly. One of things I lament is if there were a case of, say, bullying in the parish school. It would be wonderful for the gay priest to get upset look. I was bullied as a board so there these life experiences that I think people are missing in the church.

How many gate priests to think there are, I'm guessing maybe 40%. Who knows if it was 40%. I would be surprised. It was 80%. I wouldn't be surprised/silent community.

The vast silent majority. Frederick Martel is a French author who spent four years researching his book in the closet of the Vatican about the gay underworld there. He says he interviewed hundreds of priests, even cardinals. It's 50 shades. Okay, I mean a lot of different kind of suggests the largest group of men in the Vatican may be gay but do not practice it can actually be the most homophobic and in interviews discovered a real range of sexual identities. Each of them to think about the growth it how many priests do you think you have slept with. I think about 100 a lot we have any thought of a mainly many thousand of brief sold 100 is not so much. Francesco Munter copper is a sex worker with a law degree found one priest client led to another and another.

What's this it's my decision about gay priests in the telly over roughly 5 years Munter copper compiled this 1200 page dossier of personal profiles, graphic photos and text message exchanges with roughly 50 of the priests who were his clients.

He submitted it to his local archdiocese of Naples releases as a political act. According to going on.

You're not a balance on this demonstrates that there is a flaw in the system system which tolerates certain behavior but makes it so these behaviors are hidden told us he admitted the dossier had scared off some priest clients but not all adding the libido is high then the fear it's important to note the priests we spoke with as well as the Vatican itself seen no connection between homosexuality and the clerical sexual abuse crisis. A five-year study by New York's John Jay College commissioned by bishops found the data do not support a finding that the sexual identity is a risk factor for the sexual abuse of minors. We spoke with about two dozen priests who told us they were gay, but few would share their stories publicly.

I admire priests who are willing to stand up come out of the closet. That's courage. Most told us they felt forced into the closet.

It's a painful confining place, particularly in a church community where there expected to be role models are liturgy is ended, let us go forth now to love and to serve our God and one another. Father Greg Reitan faithfully serving his parish in Wisconsin says secrecy is a scourge in the church. So the first step for him is being open and honest you signed up to work for an institution that thinks being gay, acting out on that is a sin correct the differences. This is my spiritual home.

This is where I was baptized. This is where I received my first communion and so this is my home and I don't believe that the home should be throwing out its children from the American revolution of the 18th century to the cell rights movement of the 20th, the acting career of Leslie Odom Junior has followed quite dark. Tracy Smith has a Sunday profile 00L. Haven't seen it is Leslie Odom Junior Ehrenberg in the landmark musical by Hamilton talk about a tough act to follow, and now Jeff might've found a way to top himself in the film one night in Miami. Odom plays the legendary artist Sam Cooke.

In this scene opposite his real-life wife, Nicolette Robinson, the movie is centered around a fictional account of a meeting with Cook, Malcolm X, the NFL's Jim Brown and caches Clay, later known as Mohammed Ali on the night Ali won a title bout in Miami is Clay you think an actor would jump at the chance to join this ensemble but after playing a real person on stage and Hamilton mostly noted some convincing when you first heard about the role did you want to do it absolutely no to place and cookies felt like not wise what changed your mind. My agent and the manager called me up and is think of making a mistake and they never done anything like that before and you listened. It was pretty sound advice. Leslie Odom Junior has been nominated for two Oscars here for acting for a song speak now impressive. Sure they been rehearsing for this moment entire life growing up in Philadelphia and Leslie's favorite pastime was singing along with a toy karaoke machine and at an age when most kids are happy to be in the school play. He tried out for the hit musical rent on Broadway and he actually got the part you shared with us.

This letter that they sent you about take this train and show up day and I told them I told them I didn't even want them to pay for my train ticket because I didn't I didn't want them alike. I thought that would be too much money for them to spend on me like my parents will drive me okay you don't need to worry about me.

I'm going to be there and imagine no you and to this day he could still feel the thrill of that first professional paycheck like I couldn't imagine that they were going to pay me to be in this show and remembered that the Broadway minimum at that time was $1260 a week 17 years old you going to give me $1200 a week to be in this I would pay you. You do know that I would at his parents insistence he chose college over Broadway and after graduation from Carnegie Mellon. His career resumed, but by his late 20s, it had stalled, let's fast-forward to 2011 right before your 30th birthday.

How is your career great you know I was tired of it but with his family's encouragement, Odom kicked around the business for a couple more years until he had one of those lightning bolt moments that only happen in the movies or on a Broadway stage. There was a reading of this thing happening called Hamilton mixing at Vassar and I scored the very last folding chair the very last as you talk to.

We've had a buddy who is now sure that you got the last seat and how much of it. Did you have to hear before you knew 20 seconds max 20 seconds tumor with the 22nd with how does the best son or in the Scotsman dropped in the middle level spot the Caribbean what am I hearing what course back then. He had no way of knowing whether Hamilton would be a monster. Broadway hit whether the whole idea was to out there. I didn't know Hamilton fall into that category would actually dig you know that you didn't care use had all son of the Scotsman dropped in the middle level got spot.

The beauty of Hamilton is that it means different things to different people.

For Leslie Odom Junior meant Tony award, a Grammy and a place in Broadway history social currency.

Now how early you saw Hamilton not just that you saw it now, but were you one of the first day you see you see, early in previews at the public theater seat on Broadway that really correlates to how much you take. Family is a very fair whenever my wife grew up in this neighborhood to continue that tradition to he now lives in the suburbs of Los Angeles with his wife and young daughter and a son due any minute now, and that meant that the in-laws are close by her childcare help and laws are very close by and very helpful means more time to write music and work on his next move. You know, leaving Hamilton people were asking me what you do next. We want to do know people say with your dream rolled displayed then what what I said well I want to do.

I think I want to do all the things no one would let me dare do for him. Hobbits house is miles around like a Robin use and now with one night in Miami. Leslie Odom Junior is actually doing the former Hamilton Star playing a role that gives him the chance to make history again wonder if in a movie like if given the right if the pieces lined up.

You know, maybe I could do something to give us a chance to prove to ourselves that God modern-day profile in courage you need look no further than to Tammy Duckworth, retired Lieut. Col. in the Illinois Army National Guard and current Democratic senator from Illinois Nancy cordis has her story Road I love machines that look like they shouldn't even be able to fly, the more brutal the better. I love the head and that's why imagine my nation trusted in me and entrusted me with the privilege of flying is amazing machine. This little Asian girl was starving in Hawaii.

They looked at me and said that potential kit Duckworth says serving as a US Army National Guard helicopter pilot was the best job she's ever had Arnon, and that includes her current occupation United States Sen. from Illinois. Duckworth recounts her journey from pilot seat to Senate seat in a new memoir out this week story took flight 53 years ago in Bangkok Thailand where her father Frank Duckworth was stationed during the Vietnam War. There he met a Thai woman named Le my some porn pirate it was wartime love story and my dad stayed that's the fortunate part of my story is that so many other admiration children following the Vietnam War, their fathers left and it instilled in me a real gratefulness that I was an American from birth to my who that my future was a short, no matter what. But when Frank Duckworth left the Army he had trouble finding steady work in Asia so he moved the family to little Hawaii because it was an island paradise, but because it was the only spot of American soil to which they could afford to fly yet. We were broke totally broke. We were totally broke. I never worked harder in my life not in the Army, not in the United States Senate. I never worked harder in my life that when we were broke and trying to just feed ourselves and keep a roof or is this assumption out there that if only people would work harder. They would somehow get themselves out of the situation therein was not our experience. My deck and find a job so we did whatever we had to we collect cans out of the garbage. We return shopping carts for the back, then $0.10 to this day don't get between me and money on the progress. I will rollover you. I am not ashamed that I am not embarrassed. I understand the value of that penny one dollar a day was enough for Tammy and her brother to bind their schools subsidized $0.25 meals crucial for stretching the family's food stamps.

I had this teacher was Mike Moore was always set up a photo I got I messed up you for stay after and and help me reef you do this and every time he stayed after school he would say I just had but you guys.

We had a Taco Bell next door to the school and set here. Go to talk about something to eat and you guys go as a kid we were like as an adult he was feeding us.

He knew we were the kids that were probably back to get there that I could use the end of the month and he could tell that we were hungry or says she used her secret weapon hard work to make it to college and on to graduate school, where she enrolled in Army ROTC. That's where she met her future husband Brian Bowles be and that other love of her life. When the US prepared to invade Iraq.

Duckworth volunteered to ship out you didn't think it was the right war to be fighting you also read in the book that you really wanted to be there. Explain how both could be true. Well, will have to be true if your true patriot and of your true soldier you keep your personal opinions to yourself.

You give up a lot.

On November 12, 2004 and insurgents rocket propelled grenade detonated in the cockpit of Duckworth Black Hawk the heroism of her crewmates saved her life, but Orth lost both legs and nearly lost the use of her right arm.

She was transported unconscious to Walter Reed Army Medical Center in Washington DC where her husband delivered the news.

When I woke up I was in so much pain my feet and my legs hurt like they were just on fire and I haven't figured Walter intercepted. I know, but my feet really hurt honey can I have some Tylenol and then he had to go outside.

He and the doctor came in and had to tell me there no legs there's nothing we can do to stop the hurting. She spent the next 13 months in the hospital.

You told me right now we could snap our fingers and you would show up. They want at Fort Rucker but you're still going to get blown up and lose your legs.

I would say give me that deal really give me that deal. Patient Duckworth became an advocate for the families of wounded soldiers which caught the eye of Illinois Democratic Sen. Dick Durbin encouraged her to run for the U.S. House and in 2016. She made a bid for the Senate wake up every morning now trying to be worthy of my crew trying to be worthy of their struggle to be worthy of this miraculous second chance. We interviewed Duckworth earlier this month that the daughters of the American Revolution, where she is a member Duckworth had been serving in the military since before the birth of the Republic and yet in her 2016 Senate race for Republican opponent Mark Kirk joked about her heritage.

I forgotten that you're all away from Thailand to serve George Washington Kirk later apologized and Duckworth won the race in office. She has fought for Asian American representation in government people don't understand about discrimination or hate crimes against Asian Americans in particular one they don't recognize that it exists, the myth of the model minority that were well often we don't need any help that were not targets and Asian women are seen as submissive and weak.

You are not to be the commander-in-chief. Duckworth puts the lie to that stereotype. You have been someone has been willing to use sharp language message for cadet bone spurs is in the Army. That way, said Tucker Carlson women in the military I spoke of my sisters and arm, I would do it again. Children are not allowed in the Senate floor. She has battled within Congress to as the first US Sen. to give birth while in office, she demanded the right to bring her daughter onto the Senate floor among her colleagues.

She is considered yes one tough mother. When I first campaigned I didn't talk about my childhood and and how I was hungry I was embarrassed by it. I been fighting very hard to fight the cuts to the snap program because I understand how much of a lifeline. They are, you still love America in the way that innocent young Tammy Duckworth loved America.

I do more so because of the problems because as a child I didn't know we were a perfect union, having been here in the house and the Senate were not perfect but it continues people can still fight we students strive that more perfect union. This is intelligence matters with former acting Dir. of the CIA. Michael Morel bridge Colby is cofounder and principal of the Marathon initiative project focused on developing strategies to prepare the United States for an era of sustained great power competition states put mind to something, we can usually figured out what people are saying and what we can know analytically and empirically as our strategic situation motor situations not being matched up with follow. Intelligence matters where ever you get your podcasts. Steve Hartman has found a loving son who's truly gone above and beyond by his own admission, Dustin Vitelli is a mama's boy will cook for breakfast every morning and thanks her for the privilege and because Dustin has such devotion can cry when Gloria was diagnosed with terminal bladder cancer last year he decided he would try to take on one last trip. The trip she always dreamed of to see the pyramids in Egypt with the whole family 14 people never by the Dustin works as a middle school teacher in Philadelphia and could never afford the $10,000 to fly everyone he thought he could raise the chatter by selling cheesesteaks. You don't own a restaurant. No, there's no way you make money selling cheesesteaks out of your house doing that what was pushing forward just a little over my mom and so with his love in her recipe, Dustin started making sandwich sandwiches so big no container could contain battled them to friends and family support, but those people must've told their friends and family to because almost immediately.

Car started double parking outside his house faces. He didn't recognize started showing up at the door next. Word spread on social media before you knew it folks were lined up down the block food truck operator offered his services and just six weeks.

Dustin raised all the money he needed some $18,000 out of me as well.

So the trip is planned for later this year. Gloria says Cleopatra never had it so good.

Well, you know, she's probably mentally healthy. If she's ever been in her whole life amazing. The healing power of a loving child. How long is it been since you've seen me.

Well I had a nose job 19 Lifted my ass was flat and my knees were straightened.

Brenda Vaccaro earned an Oscar nod for her role in once is not enough. Back in 1975 and all these years later she still has plenty of provocative and funny things to say she's in conversation with our Moroccan. I don't think of age.

I just don't and I sit up in bed after I have a birthday and I go, but you know and I can go didn't really go here is good. It's a brisk fall day. I never seem to beautiful trees, perfect for strolling through Brooklyn's historic Greenwood Cemetery with actress Brenda Vaccaro Vaccaro has been taking advantage of the downtime during the pandemic to venture off the beaten path.

When we met Cemetery Pres. Rich Moylan. She couldn't help taking it vantage of the moment, how much is the mausoleum just the structural wall is probably $1 million. I brought a lot of money justify I'm honored to be teenager cowboy all God is talk about my age now guy on account was opened in 1969 the first and only X-rated movie to win best picture and it helped make Brenda Vaccaro*C over her long career. She's played the wife of a missing astronaut even though he's far away thinking about me and I am with him. The mother of one of TVs friends sister Al Pacino's Dr. Jack Kevorkian me but while this daughter of Italian immigrants was born in Brooklyn. She was raised in Dallas Texas where her parents opened an Italian restaurant show Randy how are you in high school.

You were the girl who, what, made trouble, but got a laugh. A lot of schools I went to my father got a call saying you know, Miss Carly think you could find a better place for Brendan that's better suited for needs for he really needed his son was going to go to MIT and Harvard, but she knew where she belonged at 17, she headed back to New York to study at the famed neighborhood Playhouse at school. Carl made her Broadway debut in 1961 and over the course of that decade would be nominated for three Tony awards that's Vaccaro singing in the musical.

How now downtown and then came midnight. My shirt with Dustin Hoffman is a con man friends.

A hustler played by John Voight is the socialite who pays $20 for his services, but they mostly end up playing scrimmage is hearsay and easy money person with Voight's character Joe Buck called for her to be block naked Vaccaro's mother was none too pleased. I can't believe I'm saying your breasts before going to see your face in your first movie. My mother was saying no you won't honestly and I went and Roth and I play with her and I bought this red fox coat 200 bucks.

The movie's costume designer, the legendary and Roth had Vaccaro covered. She told Rita Braverman back in 2014 and I told Brenda not to worry that she wouldn't have to lie there naked, how could you not fall in love a naked girl in the first coat was fabulous and John had no clothes on something over something you want his or mine is suffering. Carl found Truman when she starred opposite a young Michael Douglas in the movie summer tree. Here is my he was a handsome colt young colt. He was really beautiful. We just went bingo. We got each other very much. She and Douglas lived together for almost 7 years and icicle in my hair was here than in the commune in Santa Barbara. They even had a kind of commitment ceremony, which he calls a hippie wedding in her agent's backyard. Very simple.

I don't have any rings or anything and was for food. The food is well. I think this is a good joint tell you the truth nicely role showing me that was one thing I learned all joints were fabulously role and the ends were to just member I was in love.

I love to. He was wonderful like you and Michael get married because of the time it wasn't thing to do. You know that was the whole hippie kind of existence. You know, my dear. Despite members live here, here, I'm all for it is still part of the man's responsibility feels show on the road 1976, Vaccaro scored an Oscar nomination Jaclyn Suzanne once is not enough Brenda Vaccaro for Playtex tampons, 1980, and especially breathy Vaccaro plate herself while I like that expressed in a commercial for plaintext tampons at a time when feminine hygiene products were rarely advertised on television only Playtex tampons in the AA design wonderful wonderful. What is her name. She's she's a comic Andrew Martin yes speak about something to me protection comedian Andrea Martin parodied the ad on the sketch show at CTV one Brenda Vaccaro is shingle separated from her last husband. Are you good with people. She still acting during the pandemic in a series of plays premiering on zoom to stop hanging out with those atheist friends, abuse, and maybe take a trip to this every once in a while and she's reflecting on the passage of time. I feel as life changes and you get older there two things you really have to accept one's loss and the others changes. I mean you lose a dog you lose some other things that it's a loss and the same with changes.

All of a sudden your arm is killing you no arthritis or you need a hip replacement. These things have to be accepted with grace, but don't expect Brenda Vaccaro to be taking up residence in Greenwood Cemetery anytime soon these things in years.

I know how I can go back as far ahead, knowing it would be fun.

This water but anyway that's it baby long before the me two era man acclaimed as creative geniuses were accused and sometimes excused from behavior ranging from inappropriate to outright criminal. The question is can we separate the art from the artist and as important, showed way, here's Aaron Moriarty saying yes to a date with a man is literally saying why families laugh at the humor of comically CK with you alone at night knowing his ethics, losing himself to win any work with, what about this scene from one of Woody Allen's earliest films. I sociological study version 2 advanced child must avoid this from Manhattan with a 42-year-old Lee character dating 17-year-old I really didn't like it when you get an uncontrollable best feature I wish impetuous Kelly watch it now without thinking of the scanners and Allen's own life and how do we look at Pablo Picasso's paintings the same way milling about his teenage mistress and is reportedly abusive relationships with women as more and more painters, writers, musicians and filmmakers are unmasked as bad actors were forced to reconsider their work. What were trying to do in this world is hold people accountable for the harm that they do because previously only the powerful could punish the powerless boat. Now, when anybody has a keyboard, they can become a critic and a powerful one. The Red Cross visiting professor at Smith College, says that calling out artists and performers on the Internet hasn't just shamed them. It has significantly damaged careers and reputations. Louis CK has been dropped by HBO affects the Netflix actor Johnny Depp loss lucrative movie deals after a very public legal battle over domestic violence allegations tell you guys how great we are doing and ABC canceled TV star Roseanne bars highly rated television show after a tweet. Many considered braces call our culture, work and work well it can work, but does it achieve what you want, which is accountability. If you want to achieve punishment for just putting people but to some like art critic Corrina Desousa any reckoning is long overdue. I think that lots of artists are terrible people because being an artist allowed for a kind of latitude of behavior that included things that today we find really offensive. Desousa believes that both artists and the institutions that show their work need to be held accountable. Like New York's Metropolitan Museum of Art in 2017, a petition signed by thousands sharply criticized Hippolytus exhibit with an 11-year-old motto in a sexually suggestive pose.

Do we just keep going back to the same artists all the time, knowing that some of them have caused real pain in the world or do we take the opportunity of saying I'm going to put this person aside for a minute and I'm going to look at someone else, which is the reason Desousa questions the CBS News profile of Woody Allen that is airing now on Paramount plus if someone is there, being interviewed there given a kind of legitimacy just by the fact that there being interviewed on a big newscast Desousa suggest that rather than featuring those with troubling personal lives. The media and museums should turn to new and overlooked artists like Picasso because there are other Iris not being recognizing and giving too much time we that is looking away are keeping others from seeing controversial work. The best answer when you are choosing artists to study. Did you ever even consider what kind of person that RSS frankly no and you noise to work your combustibles.

Lecture notes from some of the more people I would gently want to spend time with Richard Pe�a teaches film theory at Columbia University, which we don't know the history of all the artists that we show artists whose work I know and love love to present to my students. But if were suddenly to discover some terrible fact about them.

For me that would be give me another way of looking at their work.

I'm not sure what make me not want to look at their work on is its presenting contacts.

There is a value he says healing and analyzing the most problematic people in their films like DW Griffith's classic and racist 1915 film birth of a nation serve racist claptrap.

Now, because he is the author of that we negate him from film studies impossible. His contribution was too huge. I think we have to do though is always be aware of who DW Griffith was we get away from the angel devil view of humanity. We are all complicated people and we have to assume that the people we admire at least as complicated as we are and canceling films or television shows have complicated even criminal artist Prof. Ross says can have unintended consequences you're talking about causing a lot of people their jobs.

A lot of people who get harmed, mainly because of the mistakes that one person can make much because we show they put it back on and you don't want to group punish people because of one person's bad acts which aphasia right and what is art and what is actionable is often subjective.

Seeing to the lens of our own experiences say I never saw gone with the wind or birth of a nation because my community, told me that those films were not going to be good for my soul. What really, why would I do that you will say deserves being canceled and called Lambert that Hitler was an artist, I wouldn't be bidding on his paintings really can. It's about people's ability to separate the art from artists contextualized the art with the artist clones were supposed to disagree.

That's a moralistic society.but what were not supposed to do is dispose of each other because we disagree time for us to head into the wild with our Jim Gaffigan takes an honest person. I made a mistake in ashamed to admit I was wrong. Once kind of anywhere like to talk about hiking some of you may know, I'm not a huge outdoorsman or generally a fan of movement so therefore you wouldn't think and I'm not well I wasn't used to co-six minutes of stand up on how stupid hiking hiking when you realize now we shop hiking may be ridiculous, but we live in ridiculous time.

Companies like REI, Eastern Mountain sports North face and Patagonia as our group big hike are aware of this. There probably cleaning up during the pandemic previously made hiking so bizarre important. Only make hiking up healing. During this age of Corona you go hiking there is no form restaurant, or even of which today is sadly preferred social distancing is no there's no crown. You can safely hike with your mast down for an extended period of time like it. 2019. Some bygone era hiking is just rambling through the woods, but somehow it's considered exercise like running or weightlifting. Hiking is pleasant and almost meditative metal. And no, I'm not sure why walking on dead leaves will take. I know whenever I return from a hike. I'm allowed to eat whatever I want. Thanks big heart hiking somehow makes you a better parent to cope with safe activities you can do outside and away from home with your kids.

I mainly hike with my children because it makes them tired. I mean allows me to spend quality time on hikes. My children can't be on the screen and I know that life will actually go to sleep thanks big heart. I don't normally indulge in conspiracy theories, but what if big hikers behind the whole pendulum brilliant.

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