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In our cover story, Susan Spencer looks at the changing nature of work as employees prepare to head back to the office (maybe). Tracy Smith talks with Billy Crystal and Tiffany Haddish about their new film, "Here Today". And Ted Koppel examines how "cancel culture" serves the outrage of both the left and the right. These stories and more on "CBS Sunday Morning."

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There is a law of physics that supposedly a person at home, turns the stay at home to put on pants for work. What I tell you, so you're fully understandable of the half of America that says they're perfectly happy to continue working at home. Yeah, I get it back to your cubicle.

Maybe not so fast ahead on Sunday morning, a funny thing happened when Billy Crystal met Tiffany had off and now they're starting in a new movie that's hitting the editors this coming week. Tracy Smith has a preview. I'm so flattered of the somebody your age could be found who the hell you are in their new movie Billy Crystal and Tiffany had a shower last couple and more tonic.

Harry Met Sally and one for this to happen.

That is indeed a letter Billy I consider you my uncle so as your uncle could borrow some money. Yeah, when Billy met Tiffany later on Sunday morning. The words cancel culture of fighting words in these bitterly partisan times this morning.

Our Ted Koppel weighs in on the controversy the two stupidest words ever put together. Cancel culture, talk, cancel culture, making you cringe C Dr. Seuss Mr. Mrs. potato head Pepe Le pew. Yes, there are people on the left absolutely.

Once you reevaluate the entire American history based on 2021, hell yes that's controversial and no it's not going away. Go walk go broke coming up on Sunday morning with saline. We remember the launch.

50 years ago of National Public Radio Luke Burbank takes us to a space bubble concert by the rock band the flaming lips, plus Steve Hartman and Jim Gaffigan and more besides. On the Sunday morning for 2 May 2021 and will be right back. Back to work after covert is very much a work in progress and what happens next could hit millions of workers where they live.

Susan Spencer weighs the competing demands of home and office as a marketing manager for Ford Motor Company. Jovita Young has her own take on assuming for work. You are a real per person yeah but when the pandemic kid working from home met really shifting gears. I had a five-year-old who is in kindergarten and a one-year-old and my husband is a nurse so often he's gone hospital while I'm home alone with the children. Oh and by the way you're also trying to work full-time. Just touch a lot of pressure on us. At that time. After a few months though that pressure seemed to lift, I found a rhythm at home that I really really enjoy.

I never really thought it would do this but I have found that I do prefer working at home already have to pay for school. You know, gone are the harried mornings and the once expected rituals of makeup, hair, and work close 30 morning meeting pretty much like the teacher and a hoodie will one thing you you gained I gather is you don't have to commute that's been great blessing and all this actually love not having to communicate to say that I work for an automotive company conveniences like that may help explain why 60% of working Americans say ideally they want to work from home or remotely at least part of the time. Once the cats out of the bag and people discover that they can work at home and they can do the laundry over lunch breaks. It's going to be very difficult for companies to just say will know you have to be here at 9 o'clock. You think this is the wave of the future. Yeah, I do think where evolving in setting new boundaries around what the nature of what is Kiersten Robinson is the chief people officer at Ford Motor Company where Jovita Young works and yes chief people officer is her actual title for chief people officer is responsible for all of the people in an organization. Many of them are in for a radical change. This fall, when Ford goes to a hybrid model for 30,000 workers. Managers will have input but not those employees will work 9 to 5 at the office every day unless they feel like it.

Are you leaving it to the employees to decide what the ratio is between working at home and working in the office survey done and the number of days they anticipate being in the office will vary depending on the nature of the project. All the work that they doing, what do you see your schedule say in a year I'll be working from home probably like 70% of the time. This may seem a frivolous question but you know you're working with tens of thousands of people who basically been in their pajamas for over a year you expect that there will be any changes in, and what people wear to work. I'm not sure I foresee pajamas that lead I said to expect much more relaxed dress card absolutely no matter what we wear, says Harvard business school professor Arthur Brooks. We need to go back it's actually pretty amazing how much more productive. People are when they meet in person when you're meeting with somebody on zoom.

My hypothesis is 95% chance that actually not paying attention to you directly. Doing so placeholder on the computer using meeting. Plus, he says, don't underestimate the benefit of normal human contact, your likelihood of saying you're a lonely person goes up 6070 percentage points. If you're working at home as opposed working the office notes good is no traffic there is no commute time and commuting is bad, but loneliness is worse.

Some people's concerns therewith. Going back are just sort of practical things you know like what is the etiquette in the office when you return to work. How do you greet somebody I know that we will find that out so there's some basics that we know where pants for example, that's a good one.

I can probably live without shaking hands. But I can't live without direct eye contact you all are feeling a little bit rusty. A little bit wobbly as we enter whatever this new normal will be. So it's not just me now absolutely not. In fact, a good number of us says psychologist Ellen Hendrickson are anxious and dread going back to the office, social anxiety is driven by avoidance and we have all been avoiding our normal social lives. While you could argue that given what was at stake.

What is at stake still did being socially anxious is the normal response right absolutely so that the 1% of people who just cannot identify with social anxiety at all, are actually psychopath.

So the best way to have come through the pandemic would have been as a psychopath at a psychopath rate. So if you rule the world you would have everybody be back in at work Monday morning. I can't imagine anybody who wants a Harvard professor to rule the world for the source of us are so far away from what conceptual you may have a point there Harvard or not. Everyone we spoke with seems to agree that work never will look the same again.

I think a hybrid model with the flexibility of working from home saving people that commute while retaining that ability to interact face-to-face and said to just have that community can be really important. Wouldn't surprise me at all if we actually start experimenting with dorm within companies of work from home Fridays. For example, or work from home Wednesdays and Fridays are Thursdays and Fridays or something along those lines, I adapt to new model that that is so is more independent than it was in the past and for Jovita Young. That's the road to take your knocking to be putting on that uniform and makeup getting in the car for that commute anymore than you absolutely have to. Yeah, yeah, I'm able to be as productive and work from home and then at the times I need to be there in and I want to connect with others will go once in a word this morning's question for our Steve Hartman all you want is a nice peaceful breakfast you slice open an orange or grapefruit and get ready to attack it with this.

It attacked you back right in the eye.

The phenomenon is well documented in pop culture. But did you know there's a word for what your citrus ghost gets friendly. I got out of this good.

What are elated brother and sister, Jonathan Hillary Krieger Boston say they picked up that word from your phone as a child, you learn words because your parenting them and then you start using them.

You don't have a question. Is it a real word until you're thumbing through dictionary one day and find their between orb orbit and I said dad what's wrong with this dictionary Gilly that it and he said wow me me me that the flared, the critters left about that for years. Last until they cried last April, Jonathan Hillary's dad, Neil, died of covert and in the days after his passing that this skillet story was one of the few things that still brought a smile which gave the kids that idea. It felt like a very nice way to honor someone at a time where there's not a lot of positive things going on what they did was launch a campaign to get this into the dictionary by getting folks to use it right came up with a list of 78 goals like get the word in a crossword puzzle.

Check temporarily tattooed on someone's body check in the child's chalk drawing check the petri dish of phosphorescent bacteria. Surprisingly check in the news story check someone even put it on assigned to the grocery store warning strong possibility of Orbis chelation words with friends to their game. This woman wrote it into a song, and of course this entrenched into our vernacular will be the challenge Jonathan and Hillary are determined to see this through something that you don't need a dictionary to see the meaning of anything happened to comedian Billy Crystal.

When he went into covert lockdown. Two things actually. The first is a new household past time.

The second is a new film. Costarring Tiffany had Tracy Smith tells us all about both the next one in the regular network. When we last met him in 2013 Billy Crystal took me to school that is home basketball hoop.

Let's think last time we talked. Yes, you are 65 and you picked my rear end in basketball for Friday.

That's right.

And I'm so playing basketball your just one on zero. Just as one on me. You know I've been alone for this whole terrible time playing basketball alone and while quarantining with Janice, his wife of 51 years he's found other passions like ironing and vacuum.

This is a beauty. Gotta see this is when you look back.

This is that this is the thing I am more excited about than anything I like to thank the Academy what you think this says that you're so excited about this schism said things of this is rooms you doing anything unless the record also been working on this very Crystal cowrote, directed and stars in here today about a legendary comedy writer who meets a young street and are played by Tiffany had one lunch with him in a charity auction, 22, $2200.

That's fantastic. 22.20 and went up to 50 same increments. The on-screen chemistry is real family violence is never let your relatives mommy you can guess that Dan Bob's goodbye and it's been that way all screen since the moment in 2017 when Billy I come in there. You know all me and like okay and then we clicked immediately like tell me about the stars trying to pitch it to me and I might.

You can start talking yeah hello I'm doing it that were doing. If you can't okay grab pastors in my mind that doctors are even before here today. Tiffany dish was already a movie star so lucky to have you write very enter start that writer when she hosted Saturday Night Live. The first black female to do so before I was in girl strip, foster care, and I want to say thank you to anyone who pay taxes between 1990 and 1999 that night earned her a prime time.

Any and made Billy Crystal sit up and take notice.

So Tiffany host SNL oh my God you knew that's her. I just overdo this and then I found out about her.

We got the script and we met and then here we are, of course, Billy Crystal has a few comedy gems of his own. From Meg Ryan's lunch partner.

Most women went to the voice of the one I was asking but in the new movie to the funniest people on the planet have to deal with a completely unfunny situation family family where you have the names written down Crystal's character Charlie Burgess is in the early stages of dementia and she becomes his rock as his world starts to slip away. Charlie, you can't be alone anymore if you ever need my help, I'm here I'm writing something I have to finish before my words and I know you've joked about where did I put my cart, but there are moments when I really think okay is this in my head it down that road. Forget something you have. Oh yeah, I think you reach a certain age are you look for little pebble in your shoe. What is was so pass me the and then you go. Hopefully not, but you were on alert because it's it's a terrible thing that's affecting more more people every day. In fact, dementia has touched both of their families, including Tiffany's grandmother is something she doesn't remember much like you know you know Mike you don't gotta know me for me to let you know like it's hard it's hard to see her slowly deteriorating and and over these years, it's been not easy speaking of family a few years back had just discovered that she had Jewish roots on her father's side, so she decided to convert any 2019. She made it official with a little help a friend Tiffany you had a bat mitzvah yet. I invited Billy to come in. Then I would like Billy, would you be willing to do my yeah yeah you know to do one of the blessings for her to read from the Torah was really an honor and the fact that she really meant a great uncle always wanted like a family member I needed like help me grow wrong. So let's just that it did a little frail body not be able to handle all these groceries breakout back then you die here today will open this Friday in theaters only and for Billy. That's essential what is it like to sit in the theater and see your movie and hear people watch people reacting to. That's also a great thrill. We will have experienced. We jumped out of our chairs and jaws. I did take a shower differs or cycle flick mind 10 months. I took Beth standing up and that's what you want in the movie you want that moment. That's what I want. Figure today, I want to laugh and want them to think what can I do to help somebody from ever in that situation. I do think one of the themes of this movie is telling people how you feel about them. I still have a chance to definitely know I like to give you both that chance now. Well Billy, now all I love Billy I love you Billy I consider you my uncle family my my Midsummer mind everything I love you that in enough. Have you around me all the time so as your uncle some money yeah okay this is the first film Billy Crystal has directed 20 years. I still don't know what you played for me. And although he's made some of the more memorable films of all time. He says it still feels like the first time some perverse pleasure reading your only son like this. Yeah a lot. What some ways I feel like I'm just a you know, because it's a whole new world. So you always feel and always that I always have to prove yourself over and over you still feel like you know there's a lot of young people only know me as Mike was asking and monsters Inc. you know this, so this there's a lot more difficult. There's a lot more to say this is intelligence matters with former acting Dir. of the CIA.

Michael Morel bridge Colby is cofounder and principal of the Marathon initiative project focused on developing strategies to prepare the United States for an era of sustained great power competition states put on my to something we can usually figure it out what people are saying and what we can know analytically and purely as our strategic situation or motor situations not being matched up with follow.

Intelligence matters were ever you get your podcasts cancel culture is the most recent label for a free speech debate that's been going on for a very long time as Senior contributor Ted Koppel remembers all too well. This is Nightline compilers VP of the early Dodgers appeared on Nightline and read some deeply offensive remarks about why there were more black managers English not oblivious prejudice. I truly believe that they may not have some of the necessities. Two days later he was fired he was canceled cancel culture claiming a new victim cancel cultures in school these days is short for a weapon will serve the postal left when you cross that kind of societal norms. You must pay the consequent don't support major league baseball players actually kneel the national anthem in 2016 49ers Córdoba: Bernard took of me during the national anthem to protest police violence against Blacks to continue to stand with the people that are being oppressed.

This is something that has to change.

Believe in something, cancel, even if it means sacrificing everything you never played professional football or do if you can apologize and be forgiven, why do they need to do next to the public flogging orders cancel cultures become the Swiss Army knife for the two stupidest words ever put together.

Cancel culture cancel culture is real. It's insane and it's growing exponentially, offered his viewers in the reference want to cancel. See Dr. Seuss Mr. Mrs. potato head Pepe Le pew. The lift school liberal successfully purged all conservatives are Macadamia the entertainment industry and journalism like those members of the San Francisco Board of Education who approved a plan to change the names of 44 schools linked to historical racism or oppression among those schools until public outrage calls the board to suspend his plan was one named after Pres. Lincoln. This is gets reelected. Cancel Dr. Seuss cancel Abe Lincoln meltdown Mr. potato head's private parts. This is his path to victory. The next time around controversial. Bacon Junior Senior writer for the website. 538 we are undergoing an incredibly important re-examination of war euros are and should be and I think that is not more important you realize of course that leaves you wide open to the argument we are applying 21st century to 18th century people, black person, so I'm not opposed it, but I do think, yes, we are seeing some of the most fundamental values of our society. Question capitalism is American exceptional country is America a great country is a market America model for other we treated Native Americans and black people so egregiously bad.

We've never been a true democracy. When you see schools and service will be renamed. I don't think this is minor I think were sort of really seeing yes yes there are people on the left absolutely want to reevaluate the entire American history based on 2021, and hell yes that's controversial. I would hope racist and principal started making people about rhetoric and propaganda while still being somewhat trooper Carlos Manzo reels social influence was brought that what you want to become another reactionary YouTube or no activism reputations to the court judgment of cancel culture, national retribution campaign spinning out of control.

Everyone will be canceled unless you're on the phone line will say anything if you organize your politics or ethics around your waist boxes were stories will never do anything because there is no way to enact change in a multiracial democracy without there being some horror stories years ago strikingly similar issue carried different label 1992 is the year of political correctness or else correctness. I'm Leon botched on president of Bard College on Nightline to explain why so many teachers on campus were frightened, but they're scared because this is a populist intimidation if it happens at all within groups of faculty groups of students were people simply don't want to risk either being vilified on popularity or themselves or unwilling to have their own prejudices examined. It's ironic that all the school for diversity has created within the University, a kind of silence about a real exchange of points of view. This is not a new problem. What is new is the medium €30 on Leon botched Arun remains president of Bard College and he recognizes the old symptom culture is much more focused on punishment, social media is like an accelerant to an arson. Everything moves rapidly out of control sluggish spark creates an alarm trip you will retribution and the response is not to start a conversation or dog but the person out there maybe cruises kingdoms. Most social media simply levels the playing field for the employers. Those like himself a few years back. So if I were at a school like calling kids in classrooms. There was really nothing I could and if the alternative that the teachers are afraid of offending beginning class I'm describing is partial between the marginalized and canceled million times. I'll probably be canceled this afternoon by somebody somewhere in the end you go through that process. If you have something worthwhile to say people find you and listen to most Andrew Sullivan reports recently experiencing trust when some of his colleagues at New York magazine declared themselves sufficiently uncomfortable with him that he was well cancel America has always had spasms of bullying, social intimidation of trying to suppress from Salem through the blacklist goes way back. And this is not about this Puritanism, which I hope at some point will in this country is an amazing experiment in openness and diversity, generating more mutual understanding used no more than it's ever been. You go anywhere in the world anywhere else in the world and find a country as diverse as tall as this one. You try China doesn't have levels unspeakable racism and sexism one should issue.

This is very much going to be a factor in our political process is changing the structure change in our national profile, deliberate reengineering of identity-based loan, you know, old white supremacists.

These narratives being propelled society is basically not even advanced in slavery. These extremist views the ideal is no difference between men and women. The biological sex does not exist. This stuff is insane to those who say look for all the generations we went.

We perhaps we Blacks have been oppressed in this country.

We finally have the wherewithal to oppress others. We finally have the wherewithal to administer some leverage what your answer. I think some of it is motivated by plaintiff in verse racism and sexism. Once some kind of payback. Yes, I do think some of that is part of the cycle in which the natural evolution where does it go.

I hope people can understand. You don't make a right by just repeating the role you've always been the voice of the world's secure is particularly lonely for unaware. So what you put it bluntly White Gen. sexual discourse were not for cowardice to control the discourse that said, Karen voted for Joe Biden Texas and Cruz claims to have raised more than $125,000 in 24 hours signing and selling companies of green eggs and Dr. Seuss classic which has not been canceled 60 books or crack says he's campaigning against the cancel culture go local go broke his receptive audience shelter the registered voters surveyed in a recent Harvard Harris poll, 64%. So their freedom is threatened by a growing cancel culture and then there is this in the list from 25 years, white Americans will be a minority. The political future of the nation is undergoing a seismic shift while the national conversation seems focused on cultural icons and the randomness of often silliness gets canceled. The issues at stake are about real political power games since time for a question that's for putting Jim Gaffigan on the spot. As many of you know, I'm the father of 55 times it feels like 30 mostly my children are my life and I mean that positive and negative, back and pre-covert times when I wasn't taking care of my five kids I was doing standup comedy waterbed stores to be everywhere and metallurgist.

We during normal times when I was recognized by a stranger often had to do with being the father of five kids, a guy with the five kids because I'm known as the father of five children, I messed many of the same question. Are you having more how do you feed them all. Are you creating your own nationality shrug off all the questions except for one who is your favorite matter how many times I passed that I'm always a little shocked by the question.

My favorite decent parent feel a sense of guilt for favoring one child over another.

If I had a favorite child admitted to a stranger. My favorite child. That's like asking a married man and wife.type of woman would want to date okay I have thought about my favorite child during the pandemic of spent much time with them and I thought about just about everything who is.

Is it my social justice champion my 16 daughter Mari my hysterical maddening brilliant 15-year-old Jack the my animal loving 11-year-old Katie Mikey nine-year-old athlete who likes me so much makes me kind of question is course. There's also Patrick was eight and my many not only looks like me but seems to have the same view of humanity. My children are amazing.

But if I'm honest I do have serene church, serene as German shepherd that was rescued back in December but she's my favorite 03 and is always happy to see she's never on the screen. She loves my cooking like my children to make loud noises she makes no dog doesn't bark work you for listening. Please join us when our trumpet sounds again next Sunday morning with Gary this week. Stephen Long live Mitch McConnell in one of Washington's biggest midterm money list for me to Senate races you think Republicans have the best chance of taking a democratic seed with Nevada not Georgia. George is right up there, but New Hampshire's surprised New Hampshire people really just don't like you have for more from this week's conversation, follow the take-out with Maj. Garrett on Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts