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This is Sunday morning. Today is the day for celebrating and honoring motherhood. Even so, a recent tragedy in Ohio reminds us that a common initiation right hazing continues to inflict lasting pain on the mothers and fathers of too many young people of college-age still somehow it persists despite laws and widespread condemnation is Lee Cowan will report pledging a fraternity or sorority is supposed to be about brother and sister for many being accepted also means being hazed often without mercy that he start a friendship. Nobody starts a friendship by hurting the other person so my virginity that this picture is the last picture I have of my son and I the unlikely alliance is fighting publicly and secretive tradition ahead on Sunday morning.

Then it's on to TV is working mom, Allison Janney, the Oscar-winning actress who's enjoyed a long career as a star of stage and screen, with Tracy Smith to pay her Mother's Day visit all your problems to enemies and and Oscar just for playing mothers where you keep these things well. The authors moved around depending on who's coming over I made you a champion knowing you hate me for it. That's the sacrifice. The mother makes the mother of all on-screen mom's Allison Janney later on Sunday morning where in conversation this morning with Stacy Abrams, the Georgia politician who was a force in last year's presidential election, but she's a woman of many other talents I shall tell Erin Moriarty I plan to run for office again, but no decision about what to do next presidency. I know you have said in the past in the future.

Yes, that is something I would like to run for Stacy Abrams has always dream big and accomplish much. But there's also another side to the political activist from Georgia.

I think people will be surprised coming up on Sunday morning a conversation with a woman of many talents and identities. Jim Axelrod catches up with Hollywood brat pack along Andrew McCarthy face sailing has a step-by-step history of Dancing. Plus, Josh Duff tells Mother's Day check-in with his mom, along with Steve Hartman, David Sedaris, and more. It's Sunday morning May 9, 2021 and will be right back.

The indictment last month of a young man in the hazing death of a fraternity pledge in Ohio reminds us, the practice is far from gone, which means the list of mothers and fathers facing unspeakable loss continues to grow as Lee Cowan explains for Rand Groover and Evelyn P also Mother's Day's never been the same since 2017 presents the year they lost their son Timothy Piazza and Max Groover both were away at college Timothy at Penn State max at Louisiana State both had pledged fraternities and both were hazed. This is our last family picture taken together at the Rose Bowl January 2, 2017 happened to their sons often becomes a topic of conversation on college campuses. This picture is the last picture I have of my son and I like here the University of Pittsburgh last year were Evelyn and Rand told her stories to her room filled with kids who would've been there sons.

A day and 1/2 ago he was alive and happy.

What happened at that fraternity house when the nurse told me to kiss my baby goodbye you're just looking at your son playing there thinking I can't believe this is this is not like this. It's just not right. Tim's Beta Theta pi brothers forced him to drink until he was falling down drunk. The last time is believed down a flight of stairs suffering a traumatic brain injury.

No, called 911 for nearly 12 hours at the end of Max's night at phi Delta Theta… Turn blue and with six times the legal limit of alcohol in his system, his brothers left him to sleep it off on the couch. He never woke up. Just knowing some someone convey that meaning to someone else. That means your child about how your child died was with somebody treating them so horribly and for what, to join a fraternity talking about their pain has become almost a full-time job for their husbands to Jim PS and Steve group West 90 minutes to have the equivalent of 18 drinks, and let him live here as he was slowly dying right in front of the Rogers they just they can relate to you mothers out there telling me stories because they think about their moms. Max is forced to consume 18 to 20 poles off of those bottles, which is been calculated to be at least 32 ounces of diesel of grain alcohol, as many as 150,000 students have heard their message so far. Many brought tears by like this Greek leadership conference in Indianapolis last year and we just feel like where are the puppets at the end of the strings, and those boys are just up there guiding us, showing us the path is really tough to hear what is point when you're talking about hazing ingestion of sugarcoated or lightly talked about the brutal preach that we really just tell your stories of Philip Dole don't do something wise.

In such an intractable problem to put it succinctly for many groups pledging equals hazing hazing splurge. Hank knew our is professor emeritus at Franklin College in Indiana is written five books on the subject of hazing.

This research uncovered at least one hazing related death every single year since 1959 in some years, there were many more tarnishes the Greek system tarnishes her universities and is totally preventable 2020 past with some close calls but no hazing fatalities pleasant surprise for such a dark year but unfortunately the same can't be said for 2021 so far. Two deaths are being investigated as a result of hazing stone folds sophomore at Ohio's Bowling Green State University and Adam Oakes, a freshman at Virginia Commonwealth University. Usually what a death occurs there circling the wagons. You often find that lawyers and parents are formed before 911.2 quite a few deaths that didn't have to happen if somebody it only made the call. Worried about getting in trouble they will try to cover the boats around 700,000 undergraduates call themselves members of a fraternity or what it fraternities where hazing is most acute. According to a 2008 study, 73% fraternity and sorority members reported being hazed in the piazzas and the groomers knew that real change had become from within the Greek system itself puts the enemy waterways right out pretty terse exchange with George Horus initially started with. I was sorry that I think I said it 20 times. Judson Horus is the president and CEO of the North American inter-fraternity conference national governing Association, which represents 58 fraternities have the same common enemies hazing to combat that enemy grieving parents along with leaders of national fraternity and sorority's are now coming together in an unlikely alliance, the anti-hazing coalition and the parents bring such a level of moral authority to the issue, but they can also get legislatures to do things college universities, national organizations, they are inviting people into be a part of the solution.

One of their aims is to change both state and federal laws to make hazing just as illegal and just as unacceptable as drunk driving 40 really asking for a drink before you drive much the way mothers against driving to back in the 80s night bad a decade.

So this is going to take a while. Currently, 44 states have passed laws prohibiting hazing, but most treated only as a misdemeanor. But that's changing. Just recently, any alcohol related death of stone folds that pledged Bowling Green State University eight students were charged in many with phonies. The end all hazing act was also reintroduced in the Senate this past March. It would mandate colleges and universities disclose any hazing incidents to both parents and potential pledges alike. This way, a parent or student can use that as a tool for decision-making and then you can say oh Beta Theta pi was suspended four years ago for hazing for a year.

Maybe we shouldn't consider that line inside the Greek system. They say they seem to change as well. You see somebody chapters fraternities mostly but sororities as well but are being shut down for periods of time. Now because people reporting because universities were saying we cannot but I always ask folks you know who. And here's for hazing. He was on hand goes up the Hayes is a coward. Seneca razor hands but the point is there in the minority. Let that empower you to stand up and make change. The groomers and the PR houses are keeping the pressure room talking about their boys and any way to keep until the idea of hazing is seen as a sign of weakness instead of some twisted proof of loyalty while saving stories as many times as they have tail if it's changing the culture, you're releasing some of that pain when you talk and hopefully were effective and people are listening so it's worth it.

She's forged a reputation in recent years as a fighter for voting rights and then there is her other somewhat less well-known literary calling who initiate here's Aaron Moriarty rising again.

Avery carefully folded the pages and or and and crossed to the door this time with her hand closed on the brass handle. The rage was steady and cool if you don't know the name Selena Montgomery.

Here's a hint, it's the pen name of a best-selling author who is written any romance novels and now her first thriller she'd been a lot of things in her life, some legal, some questionable. I don't remember not writing I think I'm the same as I learned to read and write. I was hard at it, and this book while Justice sleeps tears.

Her real name Stacy Abrams yes that Stacy Abrams I think people will be surprised if they don't know that I've written fiction I think will be surprised and yet it really shouldn't surprise anyone that this 47-year-old Yale educated tax lawyer, longtime Georgia politician and voting rights activists could dream up that complicated plot that involves gene therapy, a corrupt American president and a female Supreme Court law clerk, having a time for not only just writing a felt that everything that Bob said I'm the daughter of a research library and my mom was a research library when I was growing up. I grew up not only writing but learning how to research.

Learning how to dive in and think strategically about how to learn new things.

Your main character is always a woman of color who was my seeing and cool under pressure.

In short, Stacy Abrams trying to emulate my characters and I try to have my characters reflect who I am.

Abrams grew up in Mississippi and then Georgia.

Her parents who both became Methodist ministers later in life encourage their six children to have high aspirations, big dreams that sometimes ran into hard reality. In 1991 Abrams as valedictorian of her high school class was invited to meet the governor of Georgia. My parents and I arrived on the Marta bus because we didn't have a car, go up the driveway. The governor's mansion get to the guard gate and the guard stopped us and tells us we don't belong there. It's a private event. My dad says no this is my daughter Stacy. We have an imitation, but the guard doesn't ask for my imitation and my mom has but I remember watching him watch the bus pull off and more absolutely. And if my mother had not had my arm in a death grip. I would been back on the bus. I think two things happen one they were not going to let me be denied this honor that I'd achieved, but to I think they wanted me to see my responsibilities to not let terminals tell me who I am and where I belong. She has never forgotten that lesson in 2006. She won a seat as a Democrat in the Georgia assembly and became the first female minority leader of our party in 2018. He helped to go back to the governor's mansion by running for governor better.

Her opponent was Ryan M. At the time the Georgia Secretary of State ran the election he won the governor's race by less than two percentage points you netted that the new gutter would be Brian But you didn't see, I acknowledge that former Secretary of State Brian Kemp will be certified as the victor in the 2018 gubernatorial election, but to watch an elected official who claims to represent the people in the state baldly pin his hopes for election on the suppression of the People's democratic right to vote has been truly appalling. According to the Brennan Center for Justice During his time as Secretary of State purge 1.5 million voters from election roles. Kemp says he was eliminating in eligible voters to protect the integrity of the election. Abrams claims by doing that Kemp stole the election now that some people say then what is the difference between Stacy Abrams not conceding election in 2018 and Pres. Trump not conceding election two years later. Words matter what I fought for what I said consistently what even they will admit those who are unhappy with me that I never once filed a challenge to make myself the governor of Georgia. I have always ever fought to make certain every vote counted in every person that included where you angry after the election. Oh yes, I did the stages of grief. I spent a lot of time in anger. That was my favorite stage. I came back several times, built a small condo and then you might say Abrams got even she started fair fight of voter registration group that is widely credited with helping president Joe Biden when the state of Georgia in the 2020 election and, in a runoff election held on January 5 put two new Democrats in the U.S. Senate. It was no coincidence. As Abrams that one day later protesters storm the US capital sum carrying the Confederate flag that flag is always been a declaration of domestic terrorism against communities they thought were not worthy of being able to call themselves citizens.

And so there is absolutely through line from what we accomplished in Georgia to what happened on January 6. The winds were also the impetus for new election laws push by Republicans in state legislatures, which Abrams says are really designed to deny poor and older voters of color of voice and elections you earlier said people take voting for granted when you've never had to think about the hardship of voting. These conversations about their suppression seem absurd to you when you've never spent more than seven minutes in line, it is nearly impossible to imagine their poor black people who stand in line for eight hours missed an entire day's wages risk losing their jobs simply to cast a ballot in the election that may or may not, any benefit in their lives, ensuring that right to vote may someday help Abrams achieve her greatest screen running for president. Do I hold it as an ambition, absolutely. Even more importantly when someone asked me if my mission have a responsibility to say yes every young woman every person of color, every young person of color who sees me and decides what they are capable of. Based on what I think I'm capable of. Again, it's about you cannot have those things you refuse to dream with Georgia Florida and most recently Texas.

Passing laws that limit voting Abrams is expanding fair fight efforts around the country. She has a virtual book to her plan for her new novel and of course more books to write which leaves little time for anything else. How do you have any time for personal will.

Let's be clear.

So there fight. There's also the sudden economic advancement project there through count. There's writing there making my way out here making my point. I would love to get married to my personal life. The last year has made a little less possible I was dating someone before the pandemic hit it ended before the pandemic did but I was and that was the complete and I think you're a very public person. He also found that a bit distracting that hopefully there is another guy out there for whom those are not qualifiers is that one air goal. It's nice to like somebody indefinitely key.

I would love Sunday morning on CBS and here again is Jane Pauley, Dr. Andrew McCarthy winning Molly Ringwald's heart romantic final scene of the 1980 16 classic pretty in pink is going through a lot of changes since then, as he tells our Jim Axelrod lived here in this one early mid 80s.

As the wise man said you live your life going forward. But understand, looking backward. So Scheffer said I was fire pretty in pink manikin. Then McCarthy is understanding a lot more about his like these. Nobody, the actor who starred in a string of rabies movies is out with a book published by Simon & Schuster.

Australia part of Viacom, CBS, examining the years. This charter member of the brat pack was just getting started on the West Coast literally fell my mattress.)

Cross Street on the corner when I moved in and I just drag it upstairs will still living the life of a starving artist in Greenwich Village overnighted he was walking the red carpet and not always handling things very well like it. The premier wrote pretty in pink with costar James. So I was drunk. My first year of a movie. My name comes up on the screen is got up and left and went to the bar across the street got drunk McCarthy born 50 years ago in Westfield, New Jersey, was pulled to acting in high school.

Next was and why you were a teacher warned him to master his craft and not rely on charisma when she says you if you keep smiling like that term us all doubtful. But what's interesting about that is that I was like yeah doubtful because you like me and you want me to keep going in ornaments. I really didn't want that furnished menu spurs. He kept going. Catching lightning in a bottle cast opposite Jacqueline Bissett in the movie class before he was 20. Knowing he was new to the business €38 international sex symbol invited McCarthy to stay at her home in the Hollywood Hills were talk about things that were happening to you that weren't happening the other 20-year-olds that would be one of them that would know McCarthy was not living the life of your average twentysomething as he writes about one interaction with Bissett when he was lying down in her den and she approached she kissed me once deeply O.O that it is going to just write the trash.

I am asking the question. The 15-year-old male would want to know the answer to just one time it was one of those adolescent fantasies that just happened and not just happen quick, what's many a lot just been one kiss, but McCarthy was getting the idea life was changed to years later when St. Elmo's fire came out knew for sure your New York New York. But the second brat pack happened. I went out the window when I was brought back an article in New York magazine profile. The group of actors they called the brat pack judge Nelson of new US tuberose Molly Ringwald, Allie Sheedy, among others. And it wasn't complementary. This wasn't the rat pack dudes. This is this is a bunch of little punks who thought they were hot stuff airbrushed off the cover into McCarthy was making acquaintance with the feeling that's been with him when thinking about the brat pack for the last 35 years that first when I saw the colors like when I'm in the picture number the other one thank God I'm not in the picture. From there it was on the pretty in pink in the mail. We blame officers Molly ring. They were an interesting addition to part because it was written for a square jaw, you know, poking quarterbacks Doug dude and I read with Molly and they were okay. Thank you and I walked out Molly. You know, turn to John Hughes and said that's the guy and Johnny's is like that wimp and signally sent to these poetic that's going to fall for that. That changed my life mileage and it was all happening quickly to quickly reveal that he earned the words of his teacher at NYU echoed painfully.

I do know who I was, yet, and so then suddenly stuff is coming out to end, so neither ride back or you recoil from it.

We kind of the wall. I'm faking it or I'm fooling who struggle played out under bright lights on about the biggest stage there is the 75th anniversary of Paramount pictures, 1987. He was alongside Charlton Heston, Burt Lancaster, Olivia Haviland, Jimmy Stewart, Gregory Peck is annual in the corner and not thinking for even a split second that he belong in the publicist kept coming up to meet someone. So I like to meet you Stuart, I would so so they brought me over to Jimmy Stewart and knives Mr. Stewart pledged me to my pleasure but I am looking right in my eyes are watery blue eyes.

I knew I was projecting time so disappointed in Shane as he looked at me as exactly what I felt about myself and there's Tom Cruise in a bright red sweater center third row standing there like this in the photo. I just wow. I just never was… I couldn't have been a million years been in that red sweater center third row, I'm not that person. I don't did never want to be that person.

In the years since Andrew McCarthy is mind what kind of person he is one happier behind the camera directing TV shows like orange is the new black and the black list directing is stressful and acting causes anxiety. I'd rather be under stress and feel anxiety from within, and I have every act of anxiety that there is so when I see another actor unable to disarm it quickly because we do, which is finally left and ready to explore the journey.

He's taken over the last four decades. People over the years of said you're right a book about the brat pack and was Isaac.

No, I'm in for the census.someone again recently mentioned, would you consider writing a book about brought back and I want you want to be free of all the stuff I mean I no longer you know young, so why keep running from why you, Andrew McCarthy is no longer running, choosing instead to make peace with the group you'd never aspired to join where talking because I was brought back alive in a bunch of those same movies in the brat pack."

Didn't exist." We wouldn't be having this conversation and make peace with himself, but I did just fine with who I was and who I am, I did just fine. That's a lovely place to get to in life. Well, I mean, you forget so old but to shift to come to some kind of peace with what happened.

So that's what you know we talked so long ago to try Dragon around a finally look under the rock go you know what it's okay to drift his phone takeout with preacher Garrett this week. Stephen Law alive. Mitch McConnell in one of Washington's biggest midterm monument list for me to Senate races you think Republicans have the best chance of taking a democratic seed with Nevada not Georgia. Georgia is right up there with New Hampshire's surprised New Hampshire people really just kind of don't like that you have for more from this week's conversation, follow the takeout with major Garrett on Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. No pandemic. Nothing dims the enthusiasm some of the sheriff or style of dance perfected right here in America Faith Salie taps into its long and storied tradition.

This was over something with the percussionist like that some people would say organic mathematician. There are a lot of ways to describe Jason Samuel Smith, the best way to understand what he does is to listen to. It never occurred to me that can dance to music, dance, music, or the we met Samuel Smith in New York City. What message do you want your audience to get I want people to feel something I want them to feel my experience, my thoughts, we can express that raised is that sometimes better than words. For Samuel Smith. It goes a step further about honoring tap dancing's roots and his own tap was kind of language that was developed for people to establish their own freedom dance historian and Florida State University Prof. emerita Sally Sommer agrees he want to know about the history of America maybe studied history tap. It's a history that dates back to the 1600s when enslaved Africans were brought to America. If everything is taken from you and all is left is your body, you're going to make art with your body dance continue to evolve through the 18th and 19th centuries as America became a melting pot of cultures and rhythms. The Irish and the Scots came in early and often were indentured servants came in with also a family, a step dances.

The African dancer traditionally dance with bare feet on bare earth. The Irish step dancers generally danced on the wooden floor. Sometimes special. She's sometimes not a homegrown kind of dance began to emerge, finding its footing in burgeoning New York City in a lower East side neighborhood called Five Points it happened in the down and out places it happened where nothing joyful was supposed to happen. That joy continued as taps shuffled into the 20th century from minstrel shows to vaudeville and then promptly eventually Hollywood got to lots of from Bojangles Robinson to air and Rogers to Eleanor Powell was front and center dance numbers didn't last forever, suddenly during the 50s who tap dance. Not many 60s to tap dance. Not many. And then in the 70s. These dancers started literally finding these great black Masters to great generosity shared masters like Howard Sandman stem and Jane Buster Brown who inspired greats like Gregory Hines.

The stage was set for a new generation of show and stars Michelle Dorrance on television and online stages being small even during the pandemic amateurs and professionals alike found ways shuffling along in any way they could very surprise you will want. As for Jason, Samuel, all the music to his ears is empowering connection to your past to history to herstory bodies almost every element you can imagine, and it reflects America's direct to Steve Hartman now with just the ticket for a happy Mother's Day about jealous little direction. Everyone wanting a picture with this most likely start of the silver screen you are all just showed up on a good flood, Sean.

From the housekeeper household name. Over the last forever as we first reported back in 2070, the journey began right after she left this voicemail for her son let go at 75 I was young I never expected it to happen to me. My biggest worry was like if she lose her job would've Rebecca tried finding other work.

Went to career centers scour job listings but nothing they which is why Jean-Pierre works as a freelance journalist took a different tech. She worked her hands to the bone.

She deserved to feel joy and that's what I wanted to give her. So on that note, mother and son took her bucket list together, they started ticking off items look a cow in remote hip-hop learn to use Instagram work in progress. Jean-Pierre has brought a whole adventure in the new documentary called duty for Bill now showing across the country's gift to her. And although Rebecca could be more grateful. She says it was hardly necessary. She says no one needs to roll out the red carpet for their mom on Mother's Day. They just need to follow the sidewalk to her door and pull me why I sent Oscar advice real piece of work, wanting my forgiveness mom what you're doing, but I hope it's slow and painful. You have a super day. Jani is TVs hard-working mom winning a pair of enemies for her role in the long-running CBS series mom now she's considering what comes next in her jampacked career as were about to hear from Tracy Smith see you like the body I love it if She Had Her Way, Alice and Jenny would spend a lot more time here at her LA home with her dogs backyard, but our visit was a rare moment of quiet in a career that's been anything but you might remember her as Press Secretary CJ Cragin TVs, the West Wing. Thank you everybody both in Alcoholics Anonymous. Anonymous alcoholics tell you we got for the past eight years she's been the mom mom comedy on yes and she was as surprised as anyone.

She learned so was a bit of a shock. Yeah, it was a shock. I have my own theories, but I've been told not to express the listen eight years. This is a great long run show hi I am Bonnie.

I'm an alcoholic, hi. I've been sober for all man was my one character Bonnie Plunkett is a woman recovering from addiction, like everything in sobriety. You don't have to face alone.

You have me if all of us in her shows become something of a beacon to others who struggle with addiction issues. In real life. This show has had an effect on people. Yeah, you know, it's one thing to be part of show that entertains which in and of itself is a wonderful thing but to also have an impact on people who are in recovery are people who have loved ones of family members who are going through it to make everyone more approachable option. Look at it this way, your cash and prizes are being in a healthy marriage and repairing your relationship with her daughter, actual cash and prizes. The final episode of mom will air later this week and that makes her kind of uneasy. I hate change. It makes me like I get afraid I always have the to let something go and not knowing what's next.

I think the biggest thing I need to learn how to say is no. You're not good at saying no I'm not. I'm terrible at saying no, your taker every cent I made which your skating you took it what you want but look what can happen when Alice and Ginny says yes I made you a champion knowing you hate me for it.

That's the sacrifice. The mother makes. I wish I had a mother like me. Instead, a nice, nice kitchen in 2017 I Tanya she was so convincing as Tonya Harding's mother, Lavonda look like the role had been written for her. Which in fact it was her good friend, screenwriter Stephen Rogers but at the time Allison was overbooked and I was telling Stephen honey. You may have to make this movie without me because I don't think it's gonna work. Allison, Jenny and made it work it off. Oscar supporting actress all by myself. I love that I have enough.

I never thought it was going to be possible for me truly at a certain point I just sort of gave up on that dream where you keep these things well the Oscars moved around depending on who's coming over Russia for the just give wherever her statue is it's dedicated to her brother. How and this is how you're always in my heart. Thank you very much how Ginny lost his own battle with addiction 10 years ago, but his big sister says she still calls him now and again. My favorite time to talk to was when I was in the car driving someplace so I always think the car and I still have his phone number to dial you dial is hear his voice. No, it's not there just eyelet what is that is humor really okay stroke when I spoke to carry on like most other shows, mom shut down last year when the pandemic close the studio at the time off, turned out to be a blessing in disguise. Seems Allison's own mom in Dayton, Ohio needed her. So you moved home for a while.

During the beginning of the pandemic. My mother's gotten a diagnosis of cancer and so I flew back to see her. I'm forever grateful for that note was incredibly difficult and heartbreaking really hard an ultimate she lost her battle and she died in October 2020, so I wasn't there with her at the very and which breaks my heart so so but I was there as sad as last year was it actually gave Jenny a chance to finally do something she long wanted to do cut her hair and I said let's do it was cut it and to build a run my hands through my hair and have it just be my hair assists it feels so great. It was pretty funny that when I came to shop for our first mom episode in October we started in 2020. Users were like, we can't explain this somewhat season one.

They did not know that I've been wearing wig so you know now all of America knows that I was wearing a wig see how my dogs pay attention to do is proof.

Allison Ginny is always up for something different, she'll actually make her debut as an action hero sometime soon. But not today protect myself and I'm tired it's been a long long run back to back things in you do need to take some time for my for myself what is that mean I don't know.

I think it means going off on a one of those meditation journeys are someplace where you go. You're not allowed to talk for a week is that appeal to you. Yes, this I have no idea, but I'd like to be open to whatever else might be out there for me. Maybe Pokémon where you going with that. Like every marriage and kids 61 to April marriage and kids some deals as kids, you could totally do that.

So after that and maybe meditation retreat will say sick. What better day than Mother's Day to drop in on filmmaker Josh Sentelle in Brooklyn catching up with his mom in Florida. How long is it been since you got the second vaccination shot like a month because of you I feel so little safer feels like baby you really are going to have a normal life someday change your life. So far I'm very happy to announce that my mind started again. My mind did you feel rusty. One reminder of what time I went 6.how do you like being heavy blanket white collar, I went shopping for clothes.

You think the places where you look at are you interested in finding new love this very you talking about romantic love. I know anybody knows all and to all, although I don't think your effort to all of you heard puppies shortage during our getting lots of wish I could but alligators would be worried about doing an alligator.

There more than one there behind me.

The lines there is one there long and when he would take a look at me now and he was going to have these lifetime just older people were able to cope with the pandemic and remain copier and younger people. What's been your mental state. Through this pandemic pretty good I think I'm stronger than I think I helped a lot. Talking to my family talking to my friend the main thing I would like to do is travel to see you the new baby something I think about all the time. I think it's going to be like no words to express so I want to tell you something your Mother's Day gifts were coming to see you with drawbacks you are paying way we see thoughts from our friend David Sedaris in your future. In fact, here he is, I was with some houseguests.

Not long ago, sitting around the table when one of them mentioned a crystal ball. She'd been thinking about buying just to have. She said then I talked to a bunch of people.

I learned that it would suck all the energy out of whichever room it was.

Which makes sense I guess I said looked at me, not just the woman who been talking, but her other two friends as well. Crystal balls aren't realize I mean they don't actually do but there crystal. One of the two men said. So of course I have special wars of the three were what I call new AG so they reference for crystal surprised me just as it had surprised me a year earlier to hear them talking about ghosts and how they can come into your house by way of antiques or secondhand clothing like from the goodwill or whatever, even if the code or sweater in question has been dry cleaned.

There were all on board for horoscopes as well. Spent small fortunes having their charts done, psychics were revered as were the radiologist who supposedly looked deep into your eyes can see your internal organs. The medical stuff is especially troubling to me. A friend, for instance, who is treating her cancer with mistletoe enemas. I said excuse me, what the only problem is it is not covered by my insurance.

She said honestly. The only problem with it. I thought how can this be anything but the mistletoe industry sitting around the day after Christmas and thinking. What else can we use this for all these people are professionals. They make decent livings and pay taxes, and though they don't often come out and say I can sense them, judging me for being so small minded for not at least allowing the possibility that a crystal ball on a shelf in the living room might wear me out, or at least make it a bit harder to concentrate. I try to see myself opening up expanding my mind the way they want me to, but then it all goes foggy. We leave you this Mother's Day morning with a look at Sandhill cranes and their checks in Titusville, Florida. Thank you for listening.

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