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She looks at love marriage and race half a century after the legalization of interracial marriage.

Mass media is watching interracial couples as loveliness eats real life. There were places and still are places 20 years later were not comfortable going because you know their doll on interracial couples) and on Sunday morning when love does conquer all. He's the king of horror by age 73 Stephen King says he's slowing down a bit. Not that you notice prolific master of horror and suspense author Stephen King Generations but was it my imagination now leases adapted for TV, starring Julianne Moore, your output is like the score of a professional basketball game. I sit down with Stephen King had on Sunday morning is the eternal snacktime question salty or sweet for Lee Cowan. The answer is salty and hot flame and hot flame about you. Does anyone say come in varying degrees with a kick.

For decades the story behind the creation involved one bold phone call the general call.

See you the spicy controversy behind flaming hot cheetah later on Sunday morning, for Saturday has a Sunday profile of a Broadway star who suddenly center stage at the movies Anthony Ramos, Star of the Heights.

Jim Axelrod has a subscription to some classic old magazines. Aaron Moriarty offers an appreciation of late and legendary attorney Ashley Bailey, plus Steve Hartman and more. It's Sunday morning, June 13, 20, 21, and will be back after this 54 years ago this weekend. The United States Supreme Court struck down all legal barriers to interracial marriage would come along way since then. But as reader braver reports. There are some barriers that still remain corn, green rings, warm, allowing friends introduced Carlos Brock to Tonya Bohannon in 1996. They both just need you. I was in some of our divide the sheep without a will, there is really not different than anybody that I had ever dated before he was just very genuine and kind when your parents realize that you are seriously interested in, and someone from a different race.

What was their response. My mother was. She was cool with but there's some syllabi those but we don't care. Sorry so many years who gave you a hard time about a bed with someone very close to me that basically just the sound of me. The books married in 2000 with their daughter Lexi in the wedding party was just about being happy with each other but even today, Tonya, who is a mail carrier. Carlos to a food truck.

Barges say there are still places in their hometown of Toccoa, Georgia, where they know they are not welcome and people even supposed friends can make unsettling comments. People always fill necessary to say that they're not racist and children's and I discolor anything, but in the name 30 minute conversation. The man says but if my daughter came home saying that she was dating a black man.

I wouldn't approve it unfortunately is just still so normal, but some things have changed in the half-century since the loving versus Virginia case when the US Supreme Court declared that laws banning interracial marriage are unconstitutional. Nowadays you can hardly open the magazine quicker turn on the TV without seeing interracial are getting married according to the pew foundation at least 19% of new marriages in the US now involves spouses from different ethnic or racial groups, up from 11% in 2000, and the general social survey found that only one in 10 Americans would oppose a close relative marrying someone of a different race or ethnicity, but that doesn't mean that tension has disappeared our interracial marriage is more difficult. They can be because they're more multilayered, there comes into play a lot more barriers than what a non-interracial couple have to face with a PhD in couple and family therapy. We seen Henry frequently counsels interracial couples. She says that no one should be surprised by what made Michael recently told Oprah Winfrey about the royal family's reaction to the impending birth of marble and Prince Harry son so we hadn't tandem the conversation. He won't be given security socket given a title and also concerns in conversations about how dark his skin might be when he's born no matter how much status of money our privilege might have.

Racism is always going to find you.

Henry says that message echoes the racism shown by many families across every social and economic level because we can't have a mixed race child in their lineage. Yeah, because it means too much to us that our bloodline is going to look very different than what it's supposed to look like and she says that this moment in history.

Many interracial couples in the US are feeling increased anxiety public debate on issues involving racial justice, immigration, even direct attacks on minority groups. What you say to the couple to try to diffuse something like that. Why first try to validate the partner who feels aggrieved and I think it's a powerful moment for the white part to realize that their feelings are secondary their partners experiences whether they agree with them or not needs to be taken as serious and as true as their own experiences are he seen point I'd realized about myself that I do need to learn in order to be more supportive. Brian line video row say in the early days of their relationship. He often didn't understand when she felt that someone had been disrespectful to her, at least in part because of race, I'd be all upset hopping and slamming the door and he's lightweight what just happened. It's been over the course of eight years of the note being honest when these things happen. Pointing them out the best thing about him is that he was open to that, he did learn new living in LA they met while working at a media company.

He was from Louisiana Catholic family. She was a Hindu whose parents were born in India.

Do you think, as you were growing up your parents have expectations that you were going to marry someone else of Indian descent. It was sort of a given. You know my parents had an arranged marriage, and they literally met for the first time three hours before their wedding video and Brian's parents all accepted their decision to marry.

Still, she informed him that he needed you show appreciation for her mother's Indian cooking. One of the first times I did meet her family. Her mom made me docile and though so you eat with your hands just dug straight ahead and did it think that is part of my southern culture is that we going four rounds with my mom a lot and that was the key to her heart.

Love long the pianist and conductor grew up in Oklahoma's Muscogee Creek nation and Chris Herbert, classical singer from Connecticut love over their love of music. Although we have completely different backgrounds. There was something that connected us pretty immediately. Families mostly approved with Chris's aunt Martha Stewart throwing them a fabulous wedding party along the way. I had a family member who made stereotypical derogatory action don't even want to describe it because it adds power to it with this one specific when I was quite angry that led to a lot of conversations between the two of us that eventually opened up a great conversation with with the family brought us closer together now married for 11 years. There still adjusting to each other's ethnic traditions. I was trained as a child when you meet somebody new. You smile at the US a lot of questions about themselves.

That's largely Caucasian American manner on that you smile when you don't necessarily mean I don't think many indigenous people decide to smile, they smile when the emotion calls it up and Herbert had decided not to become parents) for many interracial couples the two of children brings its own set of joys and challenges, especially worries about how their children will be treated.

Which brings us back to the black family and daughter Lexi kids elsewhere mean and so then it's like here to hire to blocker your my mutt yeah how did you react when people said stuff like that you are in person. Like why are we not good enough you know because my skin stand that that your justification but the number of multiracial Americans is steadily rising and so is the visibility of buy multiracial role models.

First, Barack Obama now, when they called the race. You know, and they are all out and we know was monumental for me as a little tiny girls crying like I cried to you know because that the first time in the Bronx and other interracial families nationwide understand that history is marching with them and love really can conquer just about everything what's been part of your relationship for both of you. We did have a good time. The greatest going for me about it is to say that this before there were smart phones. We still had plenty of information available at our fingertips and magazines. Jim Axelrod speaks with an unusual collector whose passion is in pages are growing narrower working on the cover of life you made about this. The big red is the government's oldest boldfaced names you could call Dr. Steven Malaysia, America's most passionate collector of magazines, but that would be underselling is one thing to develop a hobby. Yes, it's another thing to have that hobby mushroom into a situation where you own 83,000 magazines. That's true. That's right 83,000 magazines, 7000 different titles a collection he started after stumbling into an old bookstore in Chicago while in medical school that had first issue of look magazine. At least that's what they said. Short of a look inside and it says look magazine volume 1, number two, I said what was number one on the dealer says we don't know about took me Dr. LeMay is selected 200 from his collection recently on display at the Grolier club in New York City.

The exhibit now online magazines in the American experience looks at how we used to conduct data searches for more than 2 1/2 centuries these days if you want some information you turn on your phone you turn on your laptop you Google the term is okay I want to hear about Franklin going 10 pages, in the early days would you do want a life magazine as well is find articles about Pres. Roosevelt's retirement wife Newsweek and walking people in Sports Illustrated. This was the Internet before the Internet, absolutely.

That's where you went when you wanted to get information will hear from our New York weekly Journal dating to 1733 to the 19th century intellectual Bible still published today from rarities like the hobo news to Norman Rockwell coverage for the Saturday evening Post to magazines covering every hobby sport issue interest and type of humor that will represent people with a hand finishes a magazine for that reason is always a magazine this thing very democratic.

I think about the magazine. They've always been a sort of glue exhibits curator Julie Carlson held communities together especially marginalized ones and gave them a voice history is written by the victors, but they are usually standing on a platform of many other people stories. Maybe I heard and when you look at magazines because they were a little bit more informal.

Everyone can make them so you have all these places and you see a really complete picture from 1963.

If you ask a lot of people what was happening in Harlem at the 1960s, they might think of civil rights unrest that was happening at that time, when in fact, here you have this wonderful magazine of literature and music and just shows a thriving arts community, which completely disrupt the narrative or one magazine, which advertised science and satire on its cover, but was actually America's first magazine for gays. It's very plain.

It looks like you're just reading a regular digest, so it says a lot about what you are allowed to be seen reading at the time and how sneaky perhaps you had to be to get the information you wanted to get when you couldn't just open a private browser on your computer.

The people reading it may have been a bit of a lifeline exactly magazines give our culture replace for Hemingway to first publish in photojournalism to take root, the Atlantic Turnbull review into an icon, but publishing. Longfellow's poem about Harper's Bazaar vaulted cover girl want to call in the Hollywood royalty. Looking back on it. Magazines were important at the time that it takes someone like Stephen to collect all them to be able to look back and say allows a really served a bigger purpose that may be.

We fully appreciated this exhibit sort of feels little bit like a week will this is actually in the way the epitaph of printed American magazine Steve Meisel had a great run ever since that day nearly half a century ago, not dealer described the mythical look magazine volume 1 number one, often talked about but rarely if ever see RC three of them in my life I own two of them that were of course you Hamilton ranks among the most successful musicals in Broadway history and introduced us to a galaxy of new stars among them Anthony Ramos in our Sunday profile caliper Saturday finds Ramos hoping you*will also shine in the Heights sky in front of the class just six years. Anthony Ramos made Broadway history is an original cast member of Lin Manuel Miranda's runaway hit Hamilton when I'm wrapping I'm doing is worse in the past, patiently waiting the passionately smashing every expectation of the action is not the creation laugh in the face of casualties is sorrowful for something to pass tomorrow and I'm not the only way Marsha meant every word he was 24 dual roles first abolitionist John Lorenz like he's got the energy to bring that out every day. Then Alexander Hamilton's son Philip's moving on Santa's wagon John right in on this cave grew up in, and money, which I can relate personally always say all I he's a Brooklyn guy this summer in the film will be seen singing and dancing in a different Washington in upper Manhattan was almost like I was doing this like mad emotional scene and googled out his window had to be maybe like two or three in the morning and were all recent candle crime they call cut one goggles this better be the last time. It's a film version of Lin Manuel Miranda's first Broadway musical Ramos please you snobby the local bodega is the narrator of our story. Not like like so many more that owners are these guys see everything and they hear everything and this is a word that if people who are from New York.

Don't know it already there to learn it if they watch the Heights bodega in the corner store and this is a character you know you see something that I felt like I relate to this guy growing up Ramos's family is Puerto Rican says he noticed there weren't many Latino roles on Broadway half of West side story and then seen on Santa you got in the Heights maybe like minimize maybe you're right and that's it. Nazi just to let me know she usually speaks of people running away from and I was believing that is what you have to do Anthony Ramos Martinez along with his brother and sister were raised by their mom in public housing in Bushwick, Brooklyn. I was a lot of violence as you knows a lot of drug is that how you perceive your neighborhood in your world when your kid is being scary yet just jumped stats crate while you know you just gonna walk home, follow, so now that my motivation to work work. He had two obsessions baseball. It was 20 days to call me franchise because dad play my brother play in music. Ramos and his cousins recorded their own songs using an old computer. We stay up all night writing a song to try to record them and we had this little mic that extended I mean barely extended from the back of the screen and like you at the lightening over to like get you taken in the B map quietly passed the mic to the other person is 1 o'clock all in high school he found accidentally. He thought he was auditioning for a talent show, but wound up as the lead in the school musical. I was playing the role of soups and I have this like cardboard like Burger King type crown with like a blanket like for like a royal cloak was like almost like a like a lightbulb moment in my life like I was in stationers felt so free your life. I can get a slightly different cost to my get a slightly different song in the mix when he attended Conservatory.

The costumes did not improve like okay you got 20s ballet tights and the statues in the life record scratch that record scratch that. I was like what I was when basketball shows the first semester. After finishing school, he got by with small roles, but he remembers the moment when he got a call from the producers of the new show. Initially called the Hamilton mix tape to want to know me well close I might be going down. That may not be plans of mixing and bone that was how I got involved. Hamilton made Ramos a stone, but he might never gotten in the Heights had hit Broadway, first you know and I like to show that Believing because I was no effort in this musical theater world.

What does that make you realize that there was a possibility that someone with your life with your story could find a place yet. I mean I'm sitting there watching a show about people singing and dancing and speaking about things that I what knowing they sound like one of the main characters is Nina who leaves the old neighborhood to find her own path for Ramos. It's a familiar journey. She's also talking about the pressure thousand percent you feel that pressure for sure because any minute usually lose it smashingly grew up in the like.

One good thing happens.

It's too bad things happen you know is while sometimes I feel like I'm the one who made it out, part of a group of people can tell stories at 29. Anthony Ramos has lots of stories to tell.

He's recording about to release a second out and he's a busy actor if you didn't see start Godzilla monsters what the giant maybe you heard his voice controls world right now. He says it's good to be home happy to be snobby for this summer. This is the dream role in this is my dream life and you might never have to pay for anything in the bodega ever again. Only take out with preacher Garrett this week Stephen Law ally of Mitch McConnell in one of Washington's biggest midterm monument list for me to set races you think Republicans have the best chance of taking a democratic seed with Nevada not Georgia. Georgia is right up there with New Hampshire's products to New Hampshire people really just kind of don't like that you have for more from this week's conversation, follow the take out with major Garrett on Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts now the passing of famed criminal attorney Ashley Bailey Erin Moriarty offers an appreciation of the man who won and lost some of the biggest trials of the 20th century. Last week I was supposed to sit down for an interview with Ashley Bailey that when it aired on this program as most of you probably know, Bailey died on June 3. He was 87. For many lawyers, like myself, Ashley Bailey was the one you wanted to emulate, or if you are charged with a crime, the one you wanted to hire. If any of you should have a committed a murder my guest tonight is your just like to flee. Bailey care of the stations and lots of money.

Frantically, Bailey gained that reputation by winning trials, beginning with the case of Sam Shepard, the Ohio doctor who became the inspiration for the TV series and movie the fugitive Shepherd.

He was in prison for killing his wife blamed the murder on an intruder delay one and a new trial and convince the jury to look for him the second time around, Bailey was equally comfortable before judge or a TV camera he once even hosted his own television show called lie detector test television. He was charismatic but can also be arrogant and abrasive and was once censured for what a judge called his extreme egocentricity. No one can win them all. And Bailey had some spectacular failures. He was Patty Hearst lawyer when she was convicted of bank robbery. Hearst later accused Bailey abundantly in her defense, and drinking during the trial and then came the trial of the century. Athlete Bailey was part of O.J. Simpson's dream team over any racial slur you his cross-examination of Detective Mark Furman help Simpson get not guilty verdict seen by the entire nation but in recent years. Bailey was less of a role model, and more.

A cautionary tale. When Bailey was ordered to turn over a client's assets and refused. He was disbarred in Florida and in Massachusetts manual once owned airplanes in several homes filed for bankruptcy in 2016. Bailey couldn't practice law anymore, but he could still write about it in this new book he planned to take his case to you. He just ran out of time. How will he be remembered to reach your own verdict is a tale both tantalizing and tasty that at center. Some flaming hot chinos here is Lee Cowan never failed the test in life, Richard Montagna, so they wanted really likes his superlatives.

I'm probably the most uneducated brilliant person you will ever meet. One hears is unknown of the Godfather Hispanic branding white Hispanic branding well because his claims to be the Willy Wonka behind one of the spicy is the best-selling snack foods on the market. Flaming hot cheater that she does anyone. It's no small thing because claimant chinos industry well beyond returning flaming hot potato turkey recipe for Thanksgiving turkey and the main front and center in school along with her brother about the reach of the bend top seller Genesis 2 E. is told by Richard goes like this. He and his wife Judy invented the spicy sensation right in the room, kitchen, back when Montanez was a factory worker at a Frito-Lay plant in Southern California my whole life had been told that I was mentally incapable that I was mentally challenged because I thought different select stuck with me a great idea can come from anywhere in place and PepsiCo, Frito-Lay's parent company initially went along with the origin story released publicly after all this bootstraps, tail was pretty good for the brand that's Montanez County flaming hot in the blue room at the White House believing what he says and PepsiCo warned to keep those superlatives check the temperature in your speech that you need to say it was a team member but in reality there never was. If you want to go ahead and say was a team effort. I'll give you my heart do the team. He was promoted up the corporate ladder during his career, retiring from Frito-Lay in 2019.

As a director working on Hispanic marketing, but it wasn't an easy trip to the top six. I remember one director's Internet marketing MBA, high school diploma, so give it up. Did you think it was racism. I think I think it was a type of racism you know of color but also pedigree, he sat down to write a book about his career as the snack foods creator flaming hot but even of its release. Los Angeles Times published the results of a year-long investigation. Yep reporter spent a year digging into flaming hot which showed that the popular snack food. We all know today was more than likely develop that Frito-Lay's headquarters in Plano, Texas, not kitchen of the month and yes maybe the what I had was what I had. I don't know what you're talking about some members of the team as it develops the recipe for flaming hot are in fact flaming hot man for taking credit. That said, it's great. That's exactly to crumble Western civilization. But there is something constructive about his story that many especially in the Latino community say is worth hearing before the Chino just hit the fan. He took us to his old neighborhood on the other side of the track with this at the coldest beer in Southern California is poor as he was. He knew what he got his first job at Frito-Lay as a janitor, you better make it count was my ticket. My chat if I got the job I would be set for life. I can go from the field to the factories.

He was always thinking mainly about ways to include people like him… Me.love traditional Mexican spices everything you need to create a spicy flavor right here all the stuff is this is home but want to put those spaces.

One day he saw a street vendor selling polluted court sprinkled with chili powder looked at him like all my God that looks like a Cheadle not knowing or perhaps carry about the consequences. Montagna says: called the CEO or Frito-Lay directly named Roger Rico everything twice about yeah but I didn't know protocol was. I don't think I could spell the word time, let alone know what it meant you no real amazed that he picked up the phone off totally and Rico died in 2016 but we talked with his executive assistant who remembers the call like it was yesterday. After all, it was pretty extraordinary. The general call seal is bold pitch to the top executives seems to have happened. The question is when did it happen. Montagna has says he made that call in 1991, but by that time PepsiCo says it'd already trademark the name flaming hot and was test marketing the product and select cities if you knew that the picture product already in existence. If you didn't know it then, maybe it's a case of great minds think alike were the idea that someone else had before.

In the first of several statements to a hungry press. PepsiCo said we do not credit the product creation to him and him alone but later stated we attribute the launch and success. Flaming chinos and other products to several people who worked at PepsiCo, including Richard Montagna's have enough.

I'm very thankful. So where does that leave us. This is my ranking like his book detailing his achievements minus the question is still being released next week and there's a postscript actress Eva longboard said to direct an upcoming film about his life huckster or a hero. One thing is clear.

Richard is not about to apologize for what he think made hot success to do it all over again. Absolutely Steve Hartman now with the story of burning love ride and Elizabeth Jake landed say. Their wedding was like was the ceremony is perfect everything we could dreamed of until my dad is doing his father of the bride each and just a minute and is interested by some of our gas goes on for that was the right next to their wedding venue on Mackinac Island. Michigan caught fire.

Everyone had to evacuate the area. This is a picture of the new leaflets abandoning their reception.

I don't know where we are going. I figure we had to walk away from that. So we just started heading towards the church.

The church where they just been married, this time they prayed for everyone's safety in Indian no one was hurt in the building was saved. Seem like the only thing that could be salvaged was their wedding day but unbeknownst to the bride and groom while they were in that church pray angels were swooping in from all over town.

We needed to step up and do the right thing. First, the chef at the venue took all 120 meals, which were only partially prepared and instructed the staff to get about we just ran with it, ran those meals to the restaurant next door saw down the street to a resort that had an offense available everyone often. How can they help and we are just pulling everything that we had and what they didn't have yet another restaurant provided got it on a card and push it down Main Street.

That's the other.

I would doesn't have cars. So this whole migration was done manually powered by sheer will and the kind of substrate like the belt volunteered to be a part because of everyone's efforts in less than an hour ride the blushing and would you charge for this help. Nothing to have them pick up a reception at out of ashes in a very literal sense made the wedding better than we ever could have imagined, and one that say recommend the day and an experience that will cherish forever a perfect wedding. After all, Stephen King is not only a gifted author. He's also one of our most prolific and with more than 350 million books sold his fans are everywhere. King himself.

However his mane through and through and Bangor Maine mythical lumberjack Paul Bunyan still commands pride of place, but the top tourist attraction is a stately old Victorian guarded by a wrought iron fence adorned with bats were all big band even King Ruth Whitted and her family drove all the way from Ohio to see yet when you start down the beautiful Glenn Ahlers rode up from New York City to pay homage to the way that he paints Bangor in it.

It's a masterpiece. Say hello in the chilling 1980s bestseller. It evil, taking the form of a clown penny wise is stalking children at the end of my street was the storm drain where Georgia meets penny wise skid without me. When Steve bought this house today. James Tinker guides tours of Kings world. He writes in a way where we can understand the characters understand would like them and also can see how things can go in the pretty terrible way. Sometimes this month on Apple Julianne Moore stars in Lisi's story, the grieving widow of a popular author of horror fiction. King wrote the teleplay based on his 2006 bestseller, a world of dark imagination sometimes beautiful, often terrifying and my introduction to Kings world scare easily. Don't relish it or not, a roller coaster made no no you think thing is I build a roller coaster said doesn't mean I have to write and he's built from your output is like the score of a professional basketball game. Leaving aside the story's movie adaptations and teleplay's.

He's written some 80 novels to this year still and 73 King claims, the words don't come like they used to. You force yourself to get going one sentence to sentence is three and little by little, you enter that other world to write every day, which includes today you did. I'm glad we can interrupt where the cycle are you the production well, I finished the novel and I am letting it marinade a little bit. You have to get away from it a little while. It's too easy if you finish something and go right back into it to you to say this is terrible or what's even worse to save my I really wrote a good job. This is a great I'll probably win the Pulitzer Prize for this.

So when you let the book marinate you don't take a rest. Sometimes I do but it's not a happy rest because my wife will say get upstairs do something. Get out of my way.

You know, because I wander around the house like a like a lost day the king is also a respected novelist. They've been married for 50 years.

I love my wife like crazy and I always have. Going back to the beginning.

She's my equal in many ways, and my superior in many other ways. So I lover I depend on her.

And those things all played a part in the book, King says Lisi's story is not modeled on their marriage but 20 some years ago. Tabitha was nearly widowed when he was struck by a minivan while out for a walk. Your wife Tabitha almost lost you in that accident Charles Stanley Kenton. I wanted to write a little bit about brief and about the longing and missing a partner and you're right, I did almost die and she did almost lose me. I'm always touchy about going into the similarities because Lisi story is a fiction, but also because marriage is a secret and it has to stay that way that the public life and then this year. Real life writing has made Stephen King both really famous and phenomenally rich, but he grew up poor mother was a single mom her life was hard and harsh by the blast with the mother who noticed you were special and gave you at the age of 12 typewriter. My mother gave me room to be what I wanted to be. She didn't laugh about the ambition to write stories Nelly Ruth, Pillsbury King died at age 60 of cancer but lived to see his first book, carry hardcover advance was small, but the paperback advance just boldness over it was like $400,000 in 1974 was a huge amount of money and my brother and I talked a little bit about it and we went to the pilot facility where she works. She was in her green uniform green real uniform never told this story before but she was stone totally stone on over-the-counter medication. She was in excruciating pain. By that point and my brother and I we said you're done this enough to take carrier because the book sold for a lot of money and you can go home and she just put her hands over her face and cry. His father, a merchant seamen skipped out when Stephen was only two. He has no memory of him, but he laughed box a box in the attic that would change his life.

There were like cocktail napkins from Tokyo little cool who were dolls from somewhere in the South Pacific door those things, but was also open H.P. Lovecraft book and it showed this horrible green monster rising from broken open grave graveyard and I thought this is it. You know whatever it is some chimes in you when you say I found something that resonates with my soul you know most of us don't ever find thing. I don't know if that's true. I know that is true. To be fortunate enough to find the thing that you love spark and be good at it and the world wants you to do as much of it as you possibly can. That's the trifecta that is so rare. One of the things that I've tried to do is to keep my imagination young and keeping that spark alive decade after decade that may be the secret. Thank you for listening.

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