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In our cover story, Lee Cowan examines the fight to advance treatments for ALS patients. Ben Mankiewicz sits down with "Godfather" star James Caan. Jim Axelrod goes inside a new documentary about the late globetrotting chef and TV host Anthony Bourdain. Conor Knighton looks at how hunters are being enlisted in the fight to save the endangered California condor. and David Pogue explains what an NFT is – and why some people will spend a fortune to acquire one. Jane Pauley hosts "CBS Sunday Morning."

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Only about 5000 people are diagnosed every year but there's no cure and few treatments still is Lee Cowan tells us, there may be a ray of hope you can be forgiven if your little jealous of Brian Wallick at first he's good looking, smart, track and field athlete, Yale graduate of Georgetown law. All in all a pretty good catch. As they say what was I and Larry calyx. I was trying to impress him since the moment I met, that moment was in New Hampshire when Sondra Olduvai was working for the 2008, Obama presidential campaign.

Brian was the political director for the state that the job he took instead of taking an offer from a big powerhouse law firm. It was literally our job to work together. Eventually they both became staffers in the Obama White House journey together, married in 2013 share the ups and downs of life together moved to Chicago and started a family. But a few years later their charmed life took a turn while working as an assistant US attorney in Chicago. Brian went to the doctor about a simple cough, but it was much more than that there was someone there and say this is ranks on their he was eventually diagnosed with ALS on neurotrophic lateral sclerosis. It's already nearly robbed him of his ability while in his ability to speak, so it was more going on than just Jim even told there were other things bothering Brian but he kept himself, thinking they were probably nothing to worry about my muscles were interesting. You can see the muscles are just pulsating will also where is this my left.

That's how ALS works. It kills the nerves that move muscles. The average lifespan is only 2 to 5 years. Brian did know much about ALS when he was diagnosed, but did know the legend of the New York Yankees will bid goodbye to his fans after he to was diagnosed with Dale. I consider myself lucky. Made that speech on July 4, 1939 dead time, became Brian's most pressing question for is Dr. think when six months or so and process. Brian was only 36 he and Sondra had a two-year-old and a nubile just home from hospital started crying on the floor of our living realm and then Brian said, we have to go to Verizon store we need to get more memory on my iPhone because if I die I don't want the girls to Brian did beat the odds. These almost 4 years into his diagnosis but it's cruelty is so plainly evident.

Despite the decline, though he and Sondra are determined to fight the busy the same way they fought a winning political campaign. Thank you for them. You testify before you today for the last 2 1/2 years. He and Sondra have been crisscrossing the halls of Congress. That's Brian testifying before Congress in 2019. Ask you to see us to hear us and this is him testifying. Just this past May when I the vehicle they're using to bring about change is their organization.

I am ALS. Thank you. Our tireless working every day usually for me it was warmer upstairs in their home. The goal is to give patients the power to make change to give them a voice in their own care and help them gain access to therapies that they might not otherwise get when you are patient and you are driving advocacy agenda and are running out of time and your running time you push hard, you do work differently since we started, I am ALS as it helped increase federal funding for research like $83 million. The infusion of money has helped launch dozens of clinical trials for promising new therapies.

So far, they're only been two drugs that have been approved by the Food and Drug Administration.

The FDA to treat ALS, but science is perhaps closer today than ever before to a possible breakthrough for the first time ever, there are a host of drugs in the pipeline that are showing really promising results in the ticket exits and yet we can't get access to. What's the holdup is primitive. It will start to cleanse the FDA's job, in part, is to make sure therapies are safe and effective when patients accept the risks for themselves is the kind of flexible regulation that Brian and Sondra are begging the FDA to grant to the ALS community send work where they saying this is this one person. So where O'Malley said thank the press one experimental therapy shows particular problems for illustrations. It's something called AMX 0035 made by analytics pharmaceuticals.therapy shown in clinical trial settings that extended life by 6 1/2 months which, when you have a prognosis of 2 to 5 years or like a bright six months. That's living twice as long, Canadian and European regulatory agencies are edging ever closer to approving the drug, but in this country. The FDA wants more time to study that extra study is going to take 45 years by buying pretty much every ALS patient alive today will be dead.

How can you look people in and tell them it's expectable there is legislation pending that could help allowing people to get potentially life-saving drugs before their fully approved by the FDA, but wheels of government sometimes need a push HIV community faced the same battles when they need it accelerated therapies.

It took people who didn't have HIV, caring, and letting government now is unconscionable to deny therapies to dying people the most promising experimental ALS treatment so far is something called Toepfer's Biogen. It appears to slow the progression, very rare form of valence. I cook sports I play sports today.

Chris know got access to Tovar's and through clinical trial given via a spinal injection every four weeks. I don't necessarily feel like themselves or look like myself and I backed myself only targets a particularly aggressive form available as, but it's just that it also took the lives of Chris's father, two uncles and his 28-year-old cousin at the time he started on the new drug. He was given less than a year to live that was almost 2 years ago he should be dead. That's the simplest way to put it took spring afraid that person is with Kelsey March. Chris get back to me.

I simply copy the assistant general manager for the Calgary Flames able to keep up with her two young children at quality of life that this has given us is really a miracle. Tovar's and hasn't completely halted. It was Chris Stilson changes in his facial muscles.

He can't really smile anymore and he has trouble speaking and no trouble swallowing but many of his other symptoms have indeed slowed, I don't think Hyundai sure is talking with my son next winter installment son done excellent.

The tempting offer around a golf just last month played all 18 holes post those kind of achievements regular Kelsey is a blog of the room about living with ALS and offering up our family so you can see and care about my family and that makes it care about this, because that's what I'm going for. For all its promise. Tovar's and no won't help. Brian's form of a less which in some ways makes his effort all the more remarkable. His ability to still keep his humor fighting for what time seems like an insurmountable battle is really courage of a different sort. To see this disease disappear into their homes and not enough to say Brian is Inc.'s commitment to curing ALS right on his with the tattooed ALS YG word the YG means you go.

This takes a lot of effort takes an awful lot of time and you don't have a lot of either really know what tomorrow will bring the her as though they firmly on the way home I laughed and said friend hopefully when their friends get mixed up with the family business.

I want to going down to please Want to slap your face a little bit. It's Sunday morning here again is Janie quality may be best known as Sonny Corleone, the hotheaded mobster from the Godfather but now 81. Actor James Khan is still practicing his craft and speaking his mind to our man in Hollywood and banquets. James Khan says he doesn't like to curse. So let me ask you question was his last one swears it's true the only four letter word you really object to his fame role we start putting stuff around with James, wants his respect was that do show up with respect to play ball.

I want to respect so long. Sing a song search of El Dorado over a 60 year career James Gunn has definitely earned blame one memorable roll after another and managing not to be typecast.

Sonny Don Corleone potheads on the Godfather dying football player and Brian saw a novelist held captive in misery. Will Ferrell's absentee father and else I foot always never shaped portion of the front of you being so real.

Jimmy Connors played some memorable parts, but spent some time with them and you get the sense the most interesting character is right in front of you. This New Yorker born in 1940 in Queens where you from where Sunnyside Queen's 59th St. bridge Thruway, places, let me tell you something this. It's real and we used to say I'll meet you at the florists though. It was the forest one trip school gave con education. The street taught him lessons he's remembered all his life. The most important thing is you learn how to win anywhere to lose a order push of the push he pushed a lot of people, including himself as a 16-year-old freshman football player at Michigan State home sick and too little for the Big Ten. He transferred to Hofstra less than 40 miles from Queens, where the acting bug struck. I went to the med wordplay accepted their wares. Three interviews I will have one at 20, he was landing guest roles on TV drama shows like Alfred Hitchcock. Our then a big break at 26 Girl. She said she saw the girl you think I can know a girl playing a cocky sidekick to a couple of men. He looked up to literally John Wayne and Robert Mitchell in 1966 Western El Dorado first… But there is usually mixer 6264 slabs to listen. Five years later came Brian saw a TV movie with God is Brian Piccolo terminally ill football player Billy Dee Williams played Gale Sayers Piccolo's best friend. 36 million people tuned it. My guess is that you have been approached by 175 men between the ages of let's say 55 to 75 who come up to you and say I've only cried in one movie in my life and not a lot of movies in the early 70s where you got the white character a black character in a totally equal French. It was good. It was very rewarding because hopefully love kids pick that up, 1972 director Francis Ford Coppola call made Khan an offer he couldn't refuse.

What is usually playing Sonny quick-tempered, oldest Corleone's the Godfather, which John's inspiration came from an unlikely source knows that my friend Don Ricketts tie into fantastic people really what going to Nally blessing and what he said that left no, it wasn't written know I got. It was evident that you know systems locked-in and also did a lot of improvising like the way Sonny deals with an FBI photographer way with space if and when I looked at my new realtor that will at the 29th St. update after the Godfather, was in demand, your high praise for Cinderella Liberty gambler rollable.

His favorite thief, but by the early 1980s, a decade of starting the taking it's toll. Khan's behavior was erratic was addicted to drugs and fell into depression after the death of his sister from leukemia. I had a bad bout with cocaine for little while. I lost my sister what happened. She was like well a second couldn't handle Khan didn't care much for Hollywood after thief made one movie over the next six years, coached his son Scott's Little League team when he wanted back in his friend Rob Reiner through a lifeline.

Late in 1989, Reiner was set to direct a film version of the Stephen King story, starring Kathy Bates is what you're looking for some wonderful people like Reiner and those that face God bless them big time winners for me that movie that that let everybody know you wait, James, you were great with Kathy misery was a big hit for God. I want an underrated comedy honeymoon in Vegas two years later week. It proved Khan had a lighter side, which led to Elsa, decade after that with Will Ferrell elf elf so I told will is 12% can of call elk that I won't. I thought you said no just on just on the type you have. Thankfully Ferrell eventually talked them into his son Scott talked his dad into a guest role in Scott's hit TV show Hawaii 50 con married and divorced four times loves to work. Not as much though as he loves his five children. Would you want your other kids really want to know. It's a creed that is paid off for God in this tough guy with a tender heart is not yet ready to say goodbye to Hollywood but one. The usual frustrated love to do so, why do you want to keep working.

Take it easy when one or James can't take it easy to me. I enjoy work. I love to work with good people. I have more fun while working and a lot of laughs and I get respect. Sometimes hi podcast. Drew Barrymore all my goodness, I want to tell you about our new shout to business podcast and each episode mean weekly gastric and cover other quirky find inspiring and informative stories that exist because well I and maybe you do to the newest interior design trend RV car to the right and wrong way to wash her arm. Also getting the things that you just kind of well probably not able to do in daytime television so watch out.

Tristan is ever you get your podcast. It's a good news on the got. It happened this past week. The passing of two native workers went on to Hollywood.

Robert Downey seen spent a lifetime in film, Downey's movies were generally low-budget concept among his films, 1969 the story of a black man's rise top of an advertising agency. My father would've wanted it this way.you very much your father was a horse's ass in 2016 the Library of Congress inducted that movie into its National film Registry, but in recent years, Robert Downey Senior Ben, best known for producing his namesake actor Robert Downey Junior, who posted on Instagram that his father died peacefully in his sleep after years battling Parkinson's. Robert Downey seen you might say the Bronx born Richard Donner possessed box office superpowers. Donner made the move actor in the man of steel's tape and his own career took flight.

He directed Williams shall have a five passenger en route to the twilight on the big screen. Gibson started insects, Donner films, including weapon franchise with Danny. Richard is 90 years now. The subject is in FTs bag controversy will almost impossible to make sense of which is where as usual hour. David Pogue comes in known as nonchargeable tokens or NFT if you heard about in FTs, you probably know that is the latest hot trend that teenagers have to explain to their parents and grandparents, not fungible tokens or NFT's are exploding in popularity, you've probably seen a lot of articles about NFT without really understanding what they are. It's always something about digital files selling for enormous amounts of money like a piece of digital arts video clip or even a Twitter tweet. A lot of people are really excited about NFT's home, I got this is crystal clear. This is a technology that will forever change the way people interact entrepreneur and Internet personality Gary Vaynerchuk says that this is the third time he seen the digital revolution of this magnitude by this Internet thing is to change the world and that in 2005 I just completely believed that social media, MySpace, Facebook, YouTube, Twitter skinny for everybody. Every time I've seen this many people confused yet. It's been crystal clear to me that this is the next significant consumer behavior shift. I know there's something okay I am now going to try to explain in FTs until recently.

If I had said hey I made a drawing on my computer who would like to buy the original. You have laughed because that stupid. Everybody knows you can duplicate computer file is currently in every copy is identical to the first one. What sense would it make to say you own the original well and NFT is a digital certificate is like a contract, it says that I sold you the original NFT stands for nonrefundable token but that will be on the test anyway. Our transaction is recorded on the block chain a tamperproof database with copies all over the Internet that keeps track of things like who owns what NFT like a digital ledger book you might've heard of the block chain. It also makes possible digital currencies like bitcoin because entities are new and speculative. A lot of famous people are trying to cash in on the crates musicians mom about this athletes, actors and artists like people who sold this digital painting for $69 million in a Christie's auction or watching TV and Mike, my whole family was there in the morning. I'll bet it was like 13 million and in the last minute it jumped from 25 million 80,000,001 second and when that happened it was like a bomb went off in the room. It was all everybody was people is the screen name of graphic designer and animator Mike Winkleman, the Christie's sale made him the third most valuable living artist after David Hockney and Jeff Koons. Members of the traditional art world were not amused what really probably stings a little bit. They never heard of me.

Tell us if you think it was worth $7 million. Yes, because two people wanted it for $79 so by definition it was worth $79 value as is determined in many cases just by how badly people want certain things okay well if people want to buy and sell and FTs. No harm done right. Actually, not so fast. It turns out that any change to the block chain requires massive banks of computers to perform astronomically huge calculations to verify that transaction which uses jagged amounts of electricity.

Researchers are working on ways to reduce that power problem, but for now in FTs and the block chain are environmental disasters and maybe financial disasters to right now where the gold rush were in the green phase where people try to make a quick buck and there's going be too much supply, not enough demand because it's not easy to bite NFT yet. In May Gary Vaynerchuk offered his own project is vicious project which he hoped to distinguish by offering tickets to his conferences with the purchase of each of his digital doodles so is there a base price we list this morning is $1200 bucks yes four for the tokens now for me.

This is why even though he's got an interest in promoting NFT technology.

He's also got a warning for you.

Let me make this clear. I have no idea how you will edit this America. Please spend 30 hours of education before you buy your first entity. It's just like Internet stocks sure there's an Amazon and eBay me a lot more pets.com go to zero, and there will be plenty of volatility along the way. NFT sales are way down from their peak in May, but Mike Winkleman is convinced they're here to stay with this point how mainstream is it most of the people watching this video will never heard of Matthews before this might be the first time you hear about it but I really doubt it's good be the last. Steve Hartman has a story that's tailored to perfection.

It was just another day at Causeway alterations in Dunedin, Florida when the blue this elderly man walked in and asked if someone could make him leave the uniform white is 97. You needed Navy uniform uniform. I love my country, so help me, I was able to slur this you Joe Hall served in World War II as a Navy Petty Ofc. first class at your ship. He was on a destroyer escort where he made some of the best friends of his life and lost a few to. They're all gone now. Which is why Joe wanted that uniform for when he sees them again. Susan Williams is the seamstress who waited on everything from underwear to wedding dresses for the how a World War II veteran come in and say I want to be buried in my uniform like this man is not leaving the store without remaking this uniform because it's the most important thing I'll ever do in my life and it became a strong session of mind to make it right. For the next three weeks. Susan poured herself in this project binding every seam satin lined cuffs buttonholes by hand to spend at least 100 hours, I love this been charged almost Joe actually got his uniform a few months ago came back into try it on again at our request, he hardly seemed bothered for that even though he wanted this for his death. Get the sense that now is what he lives for Right my friends part of uniform close to me. They say the suit makes the man, but not in this case Joe Hall was a loyal friend seven decades before he got these dress boots. He just needed someone to sell his heart too loosely for that long-awaited wonderful reunion bar wonderful.

Thank thank documentary is looking at the vibrant life and tragic death of celebrity chef Anthony Bourdain. We asked Jim Axelrod to take a closer look. When Anthony Bourdain chef, best-selling author and globetrotting TV star died by suicide three years ago at the age of 61. We have some terribly sad news to report this morning heartbreaking news done those closest to New York City chef Gabrielle Hamilton was shattered. I had to go home and lie down on the floor. I'm actually for, weeks, Lydia Tenaglia, he would just kinda flop on the couch backdrop produced two skit show parts unknown was mystified why would someone who seemingly had the best job in the world, the most incredible life by which he make a decision to check out. Did you know he was suffering that no I did not know he was suffering and his brother Christopher. I was the struggled with so many other emotion. I miss him terribly and love instability was so brilliant and he counted for so many people like you know I want people to be able to make some sense out of his death, but filmmaker Morgan Neville.

The shock was also shared by legions of Bourdain's family never met. Do you think there is a little bit of careful what you wish for. In 20 Bourdain's life. Absolutely the story were telling a somebody who in middle-aged who has been working as a chef for 25 years, world fame and fortune and the chance to travel the globe everything he always wanted. The question is what happens when you get everything you always wanted documentary roadrunner which opens in theaters July 16 is Neville's attempt to answer that question. Exploring this complexity elicited by the life-and-death of Anthony Bourdain hope the film in some way gets people to start to think of him as a whole person again to process some aspect of his death, but also his life and social joy ride tonight.

Anyone familiar with the extraordinary conjecture.

Things like $800 a week line cook and sweaty New York city kitchens patient from the president for dinner in Vietnam. This is killer knows that means examining dimensions was to cook he would be the first to tell you that that was not his number one strength Gabrielle Hamilton, whose restaurant prune was one of the hottest in pre-pandemic New York City. We all love Bourdain is his bestseller kitchen confidential was launching him as a boldface name. He was a loyal but complicated pal.

It was such a one-way friendship which direction he would love you he would be generous to you was once quoted as saying the kind of care and eating required of friends. I'm frankly capable of.

I'm not going to remember your birthday, and that's very tiny and so candid and forthright, so who cares if it's like somebody describe them as the nicest government think there yet with that lovely description. I think he could be really tough on people, particularly people he worked with, but because he was even tougher on himself difficult, as this high priest overcome Rotary connection to the brand shrinking the world one exotic meal at a time. Also spent much of his life staving off loneliness and isolation cycling through phases and addictions. Sometimes his addictions were good like jujitsu and exercising or family, but sometimes they can be destructive, like cigarette smoking and drinking and an even I would say workaholism is always rushing to get in was rushing to get out of there is even this deeper psychological reason of being static, being home means that your left alone with your your thoughts. I guess her demons for me always fill this little mazelike know if you ever suffered it up yet but as the documentary hauntingly trades and equipped with one of his heroes punk rock icon Iggy pop.

The one recipe that seemed to always elude him what bills you one persisting contentment wheels that wasn't actually all that complicated assistant very embarrassing but is really being loved, actually appreciating the people that is walking along with Iggy pop asked him about happens heartbreaking. Perhaps that is for those who missed most is that he died, not really understanding all the lives he touched. Take wall full of notes left after his suicide at a restaurant where Bourdain once cooked when that outpouring came after his death. And all these people around the world responded in this flammable way.

I just wish you could've seen look at the incredible impact that you made in connecting humanity. That to me is like his really beautiful legacy of the film deals extensively with the circumstances surrounding Bourdain's death following a breakup with Ozzie Argento. He grunted actually find out about it. Anyway, this is a film that examines what happens to legacy high-profile life ins by Sue's meaning is all of these people who still remain devoted to the memory of Tony one of the unfortunate things about somebody who obviously has some kind of tragic to them is, does that undermine or somehow diminish the message they were trying to get out there make what he was attempting to show us by going places like Congo does it diminish what he was from the fellas and tell us why don't have an answer. I Morgan Neville has made a reminder just what that message was so Tony was the advocate in our society for how can treat people on the far side of the planet. Dimensional people who have their own dreams and labs and families in hopes I think that is the greatest achievement that he had a message and the messenger people haven't had a chance to connect with in a while.

I think a lot of people come to the film because they need that dose of him again. I just miss him I miss him. After this past week's assassination of Hades, president, juvenile mollies, the Caribbean island nation is once again in the news.

Martial law has been declared by the acting prime minister Hankey does not have a functioning parliaments to validate the decree with a population of 11 million. It's considered the poorest country in the Western Hemisphere won its independence from France in 1804, becoming the first nation founded by formerly enslaved people since then it's government has been rocked by coups, foreign interventions and countless natural disasters, including graphic earthquake in 2010 that led to the loss of some 300,000 lives but still the Haitian people and you as does their rich culture reflecting the diversity of Hades African Latin European and native Thai no tradition hundreds of bird species are endangered across the Americas, mostly due to the destruction of nesting sites by Connor Knighton tells us about one species at risk from a very different threat. The California Condor is the largest flying land bird in North America. What it lacks in looks, it makes up for in majesty, it's 9 1/2 foot wingspan leaves quite an impression. If you're lucky enough to ever see one or 20 was away last weekend when all she found to 20 condors had descended on her home and to how to be seen, captured, and may have been just three decades ago. Back then, there wasn't a single Condor left in the wild. In the late 1980s the last few California condors in existence brought into captivity to save the species from extinction.

Since then, the vultures have been bred and slowly reintroduced into their now more than 500 total number that is still small enough that biologists still number them all they're all here for reason and it's not a place you want your number because the birds in the past. Chris Parrish is the director of global conservation at the Peregrine fund the reappearance of condors in our skies is certainly a success story. The endangered birds are still struggling. Researchers eventually learned why 54% of all death in our population that we monitor that intensively is lead poisoning. Lead is a dangerous neurotoxin is also what most ammunition is made out of. The birds are dying from bullets not getting shot by them there literally eating led scavenging wildlife that are obligate like the Condor. They only consume things that are already dead. Here's the problem when hunters kill an animal like a deer.

They often leave behind some of the remains, but they may be unintentionally leaving behind tiny fragments of lead lead that ends up in the condors when they swing by to enjoy a meal.

Some of those tiny fragments that strip off of those bullets. We've used for 100 years can poison wildlife marble Canyon Arizona parishes steam traps and tests condors. Most have detectable lead levels so they treat the birds release them once their healthy were in a holding pattern.

We've come to a a real fine understanding of what the problem is and we know how to solve it.

Now we have to go solve it. But solving this can feel like a long shot. If this wound channel in the thoracic cavity of a big game animal.

This is what's happening in there and that's where those fragments come from parishes on a mission to convince hunters to hunt with non-live ammunition like copper bullets doing demonstrations across the country in the world.

He knows well I'm kind of a redneck hunter biologist and and these hunters are my people. Unfortunately, copper ammunition, it is generally more expensive. It's hard to find and it's just not what people are used to changing tradition is hard. It's not as simple as here's the science here's the logic. So do the right thing in 2019. California instituted a statewide ban on light ammunition for hunting but the California Condor is also found in Utah and Arizona states where there are fans. Parrish doesn't believe a legislative solution is the answer we have a speed limit of people break that law to.

I'm not saying that hunters are a bunch of bad actors.

I'm just saying if they don't understand it, they might well write it off as a piece of unnecessary legislation that really is a problem very difficult lot of force would almost impossible instead parish favors a voluntary approach. He cofounded the North American non-led partnership to reach out to hunters. So far, the responses been encouraging an estimated 90% of deer hunters on Arizona sky that plateau now hunt with non-led or packout all remains. We know that hunters are the only ones that can solve this problem. So by pointing to them and saying you're doing a bad thing aside to work initiative to appeal to their conservation ethic in their history of conservation and say here is yet another opportunity where we as hunters can leave a healthier environment for all the critters that live in it, not just those that we hunt for future generations to enjoy. One day, parish hopes hunters across the country with alternative ammunition to protect all scavenging animals.

Until then, keep getting the word out to help get the lead out.

Thank you for listening. Please join us when our trumpet sounds again next Sunday morning with Gary this week.

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