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I'VE HEARD ALL KINDS OF THINGS COMING UP ON SUNDAY MORNING. WHAT CAN BE DONE ABOUT FACEBOOK'S MISINFORMATION PROBLEM WE BROTHERS HAD ALL THE 70S CALIFORNIA SOUND AND AN OUTSIZED ROCK 'N' ROLL LIFE AS THE BAND HITS THE ROAD AGAIN. JIM AXELROD TALKS WITH THEM ABOUT THE GOOD TIMES THEN AND NOW THEIR WATERCOLORS IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN A LOT MORE THAN A LITTLE DIFFERENT WHEN YOU CONSIDER THE ROCK 'N' ROLL FRAME BAND ON TOUR AGAIN AND THAT THEIR FIRST ALBUM YOU SHOW IT WILL FEBRUARY MAYBE WANT TO HEAR US.

WHAT'S Running LATER ON SUNDAY MORNING. WE'VE BEEN EXPECTING YOU, MR. BOND AND FLEMING'S 007 IS BACK AND COMING TO A THEATER NEAR YOU THAT MANKIEWICZ TALKED WITH DR. DANIEL CRAGG ABOUT WHAT HE INSISTS IS HIS JAMES BOND SWAN SONG. YOUR POINT JAMES BOND WILL NOT REALIZE THAT JAMES DANIEL CRAIG IS SAYING BON VOYAGE TO 007 ROLE THAT TAKES A LITTLE WHILE AND FILMING OF ANOINTMENT BECAUSE OBSERVING THIS LIKE TUNNEL VISION OF WORK. MY WIFE LIKES IT WHEN HE LEAVES WHY DANIEL CRAIG IS LEAVING AND WHAT HE THINKS ABOUT A SECRET AGENT. SUCCESSOR CALIPHATE TAKES US BACK TO HIS PUNK ROCK ROOTS LEE COWAN GETS A READ ON BEST-SELLING AUTHOR ANTHONY DOORS LATEST PAGE TURNER COVERING THE SWEEP OF SEVEN CENTURIES AND MORE ON THIS FIRST SUNDAY MORNING OF THE NEW MONTH. OCTOBER 3, 2021 WILL BE BACK IN A MOMENT RECENT SURVEY FROM PEW RESEARCH FINDS NEARLY 1/3 OF AMERICANS GET THEIR NEWS FROM FACEBOOK. CRITICS WORRY THAT SOME AND MAYBE EVEN A LOT OF THAT SO-CALLED NEWS CONSISTS OF CONSPIRACY THEORIES AND MISINFORMATION. DAVID POGUE LOOKS AT THE CHALLENGES FACING FACEBOOK.

WE'VE GONE FROM HAVING AROUND HUNDRED AND 50,000 PEOPLE IN THE FALL TO RUN 3 MILLION NOW WHEN I INTERVIEWED FACEBOOK FOUNDER MARK ZUCKERBERG IN 2005.

THE COMPANY WAS JUST GETTING OFF THE GROUND.

PEOPLE USE THE SITE SO MUCH THAT IT'S CREATING A MARKETPLACE FOR ADVERTISING. IT WAS STILL CALLED THE FACEBOOK.COM IT WAS STILL LIMITED TO COLLEGE STUDENTS AND IT WAS STILL A LITTLE BIT CASUAL SO HOW DID THAT COME WITH THIS FACEBOOK IS JUST LIKE BIG TOBACCO PUSHING A PRODUCT THAT THEY KNOW WAS HARMFUL. RESEARCHERS FROM FACEBOOK WHICH OWNS INSTAGRAM REPEATEDLY FOUND THAT THE APP WAS TOXIC, EVEN DEADLY FOR TEEN GIRLS IN PARTICULAR PORTIONS OF THE NEW ALGORITHM FACEBOOK I WOULD PUSH MORE MORE DIVISIVE CONTENT BECAUSE IT WAS DRIVING ENGAGEMENT WHEN THE PRESIDENT GOT INVOLVED ANYONE LISTEN TO IT. HER IS KILLING PEOPLE. HE WAS REFERRING TO ONE OF FACEBOOK'S MOST BURNING PROBLEMS, MISINFORMATION LIKE POSTS SAYING THAT THE COVERT VACCINE CAUSES MISCARRIAGES OR THAT THE FDA IS TRACKING UNVACCINATED PEOPLE OR THAT THE VACCINE IS THE MARK OF THE BEAST. NONE OF THAT IS TRUE, BUT PEOPLE REALLY ARE DYING FROM MISINFORMATION.

HOW OFTEN DO YOU SEE SOMEBODY DIVE: ALMOST EVERY SHIFT LIKE DAILY SOMEBODY DIES YET. ADRIANO COFFEE IS A MEDICAL DIRECTOR OF THE OFFICE HEALTH SYSTEM NEAR HOUSTON.

THIS IS WHERE IT BECOMES COMPLICATED OF HIS EMERGENCY ROOMS HAVE BEEN OVERRUN WITH DESPERATELY SICK UNVACCINATED PATIENTS. PATHFINDER IS JUST AUGUST. MOST OF THESE PATIENTS REFUSE THE VACCINE BECAUSE THEY DREAD BAD INFORMATION ON SOCIAL MEDIA. ABOUT 80% WOULD COME FROM FACEBOOK. I READ ON FACEBOOK. IT'S POISON, IT'S GOT TRACKING DEVICES IN ME. IT MAKES COWS STERILE. I'VE HEARD ALL KINDS OF THINGS AND WHEN YOU ENCOUNTER SOMEBODY LIKE THAT.

WHERE ARE YOU ON THE SCALE OF THIS PERSON IS AN IDIOT OR FEEL SO SORRY FOR THIS PERSON THAT THERE THIS BRAINWASHED.

I FEEL REALLY BAD FOR INDIVIDUALS BECAUSE IF THAT IS YOUR SOURCE RIGHT IS HARD FOR THEM TO SEPARATE REALITY AND WHAT IS BEING FED TO THEM, YOU GIVE AN IMPRESSION OF HOW READING THIS MISINFORMATION ONLINE AFFECTS THE MINDSET OF THE PATIENT. IT'S VERY POWERFUL THAT YOU CAN SEE IT AND FEEL IT AND INDIVIDUALS WHEN THEY COME IN AND THEY GET THEIR SWAP AND THEIR SICK AND SOME PEOPLE SOME PATIENTS EVEN DECLINED TREATMENT IS IT SO POWERFUL IN THEM THAT THEY ALMOST EVEN DENY COVERT EXISTS BECAUSE WHAT THEY READ BECAUSE OF WHAT THE NOW YOU MIGHT BE WONDERING IF THAT INFORMATION IS SO HARMFUL. WHY DOES FACEBOOK ALLOW IT AND THE ANSWER IS IT'S COMPLICATED WHAT THEY SELL IS HER ATTENTION IS HER ATTENTION GETS SOLD IN THE FORM OF ADVERTISING.

SO YES THERE IS A PROFIT MOTIVE. LAURA EDELSON IS A MISINFORMATION RESEARCHER AT NEW YORK UNIVERSITY.

HER STUDIES HAVE FOUND THAT MISINFORMATION SELLS MISINFORMATION IN GENERAL GETS MORE SHARES COMMENTS, LIKES, THEN FACTUAL CONTENT. THIS EFFECT IS PRETTY LARGE AND MY RECENT STUDY FOUND THAT IT'S A SIXFOLD EFFECT. SO FOR SOMETHING IS BOGUS. I'M SIX TIMES MORE LIKELY TO SHARE IT LIKE IT THEN IF IT'S TRUE MAYBE NOT YOU SPECIFICALLY, BUT IN GENERAL IT WILL GET SIX TIMES THE ENGAGEMENT FACEBOOK IS A USER ENGAGEMENT I USER INTERACTION MAXIMIZING MACHINE. THAT IS WHAT FACEBOOK IS BUILT TO DO GET USERS TO INTERACT WITH CONTENTS AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE AS OFTEN AS POSSIBLE FOR AS LONG AS POSSIBLE. AS YOU MIGHT GUESS FACEBOOK IS NO FAN ELSE'S RESEARCH. SO THIS SUMMER THE COMPANY GOT TOUGH SLAMMING FACEBOOK FOR CUTTING OFF ACCESS TO A GROUP OF RESEARCHERS WERE STUDYING MISINFORMATION ON FACEBOOK IN AUGUST, 20, 21, THEY SHUT DOWN OUR ACCOUNTS SO YOU'RE NOT ON FACEBOOK.

NOW I'M NOT. I HAVE NO PLACE TO PUT MY DOG PICTURES. NOW ALL SOCIAL MEDIA COMPANIES HAVE A COVERT MISINFORMATION PROBLEM, BUT FACEBOOK IS NEARLY $1 TRILLION COMPANY WITH 2.9 BILLION USERS A MONTH, ITS SHEER SIZE MAKES IT SPECIAL. FACEBOOK IS THE MOST POWERFUL MEDIA APPARATUS IN THE WORLD. NEW YORK TIMES TECH COLUMNIST KEVIN ROOS HAS WRITTEN EXTENSIVELY ABOUT MISINFORMATION ON FACEBOOK. WHY DON'T THEY JUST SAY OH SORRY WILL HAVE OUR AMAZING ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE JUST WHITE MISINFORMATION OFF OF. WELL, IT'S NOT AS EASY AS IT SOUNDS. ONE A LOT OF PEOPLE DISAGREE ABOUT WHAT MISINFORMATION IS.

HAVE HAD TO WALK A VERY FINE LINE BETWEEN REMOVING GENUINELY HARMFUL CONTENT FROM THE SITE, WHILE ALSO NOT ENGAGING IN WHAT THEY WOULD CONSIDER CENSORSHIP. FACEBOOK DECLINED OUR REQUEST FOR AN INTERVIEW, BUT IT HEARTILY REJECTS THE NOTION THAT IS KILLING PEOPLE OR THAT IS DOING NOTHING TO FIGHT COVERT MISINFORMATION.

THE COMPANY POINTS OUT THAT IT HAS DELETED OVER 20 MILLION FALSE POSTS SHUT DOWN THE ACCOUNTS OF 3000 REPEAT OFFENDERS PUT WARNING LABELS ON 190 MILLION QUESTIONABLE POSTS AND PROMOTED FACTUAL VACCINE INFORMATION BY BUILDING AMONG OTHER THINGS, A VACCINE FINDER TO HELP PEOPLE GET THEIR SHOTS IN A STATEMENT, FACEBOOK ADDED.

WE ARE ENCOURAGED TO SEE THAT FOR PEOPLE IN THE US ON FACEBOOK. VACCINE HESITANCY HAS DECLINED BY ABOUT 50% AND VACCINE ACCEPTANCE IS HIGH, BUT OUR WORK IS FAR FROM FINISHED. I WANT TO TALK TO ABOUT COVERT MISINFORMATION ON YOUR PLATFORM THAT'S REALLY FINALLY IS CEO MARK ZUCKERBERG TOLD GAYLE KING A FEW WEEKS AGO. MAYBE THE PROBLEM ISN'T FACING. MAYBE IT'S AMERICA TAKING IF THIS WERE PRIMARILY A QUESTION ABOUT SOCIAL MEDIA THAT I THINK YOU WOULD SEE THAT BEING THE EFFECT IN ALL THESE COUNTRIES WERE PEOPLE USE IT BUT THERE'S SOMETHING THAT'S UNIQUE IN OUR ECOSYSTEM HERE ALRIGHT SO FACEBOOK SAYS IT'S DOING EVERYTHING IN ITS POWER TO FIGHT MISINFORMATION, BUT RESEARCHERS, JOURNALISTS, AND CONGRESS DON'T BELIEVE IT. THEY WANT FACEBOOK TO SHARE ITS DATA ON HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE SEEING THE FALSE POSTS AND SO THEY WERE BASICALLY SAYING YOU JUST HAVE TO TRUST US BECAUSE WERE NOT TO SHAVE THE THERE ARE TEAMS INSIDE FACEBOOK THAT ARE WORKING VERY HARD TO PREVENT THE SPREAD OF MISINFORMATION. I THINK THE CHALLENGE IS THAT A LOT OF THAT DATA AND A LOT OF THAT WORK STAYS INSIDE THE COMPANY.

LET ME PLAY FACEBOOK ADVOCATE. IF I WERE FACEBOOK I MIGHT SAY WAIT WERE SUPPOSED TO REVIEW ALL OUR INTERNAL DATA YOU DON'T ASK THAT OF COCA-COLA OR OR STARBUCKS. WHAT IS UP ALONG THE PUBLIC, BUT WE DO ASK IT OF ORGANIZATIONS LIKE BANKS. BANKS ARE INCREDIBLY POWERFUL INSTITUTIONS THAT ARE A VITAL PART OF MODERN SOCIETY, BUT THEY ALSO HAVE THE POWER TO BE INCREDIBLY HARMFUL. THAT'S WHY BANKS ARE REGULATED AND I THINK WE NEED TO MOVE TOWARD SOMETHING LIKE THAT FOR SOCIAL MEDIA COMPANIES. WOW, THAT'S A RADICAL CHANGE. IT WOULD BE A RADICAL CHANGE, BUT I JUST DON'T SEE HOW THE STATUS QUO CAN GO ON. IT IS NOT HYPERBOLIC TO SAY THAT MISINFORMATION ON FACEBOOK KILLS PEOPLE AND I'M LEFT WONDERING WHERE THE TRUTH LIES. IS IT CORPORATE BUNGLING OR IS THERE AN EVIL STREAK TO ALL. I THINK THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE WHO THINK EVEN INSIDE THE COMPANY WHO THINK THAT THIS THING HAS GOTTEN OUT OF CONTROL AND SERVE THEIR THEIR VERSION OF A FRANKENSTEIN STORY WHERE THEY THIS PLATFORM THE BILLIONS OF PEOPLE USE AND IT'S JUST SIMPLY GOTTEN A LITTLE OUT OF CONTROL. SO HOW WILL ALL THIS AND BOTH PARTIES IN CONGRESS SEEM INTENT ON REGULATING FACEBOOK AND THE COMPANY SAYS THAT IT WILL MAKE MORE OF ITS DATA PUBLIC FOR FACEBOOK.

IT ALL MEANS MORE CONFLICT AND COMPROMISE WITHIN MARK ZUCKERBERG'S BEEN FIGHTING BATTLES OVER HIS BABY SINCE 2005. THE LAWSUITS OF THE SQUABBLES AS IT IS FINISHED SHOT TO. IT'S NOT REALLY SHOCKING BUT IT IS A LITTLE UPSETTING ASPEN. I GUESS IF YOU'RE MAKING SOMETHING COOL SOMETHING YOU HAVE TO DO IS I'M IN FOR AS LONG AS YOU LIKE ME TO MATOS. AND REALIZE THAT, LIKE WERE DOING SOME IT'S POSITIVE AND THAT'S THE ONLY REASON WHY TEARS ALL DONE AND I'M IN GET THERE COMMENTARY THIS MORNING FROM DAN BERGMAN WAS JUST EARNED HIS DEGREE FROM HARVARD EXTENSION SCHOOL AND WAS ONE OF THE SPEAKERS AT THIS YEAR'S COMMENCEMENT. WHEN I WAS 12 YEARS OLD. I SUDDENLY LEARNED TO THINK ALL AT ONCE ON A SINGLE DAY BEFORE THE DAY. ALMOST NO ONE WOULD'VE THOUGHT THAT I WOULD EVER UNDERSTAND THE WORLD AROUND ME. I MADE MEANINGLESS NOISES WITH MY ARMS AND SHOUTED COOKIE WHEN I WANTED A COOKIE.

I DID NOT UNDERSTAND THE CHILDREN'S BOOKS THAT WERE LOVINGLY READ TO ME AND HAD NO CLEAR SENSE OF TIME, OR DEATH OR THE OTHER BUILDING BLOCKS OF THIS THING WE CALL THE HUMAN CONDITION 13 YEARS IN A COLLEGE DEGREE. LATER, I STILL MAKE NOISES AND WAVE MY ARMS BUT NOW I CAN TYPE THIS COMMENTARY. WITH ONE FINGER, ONE LETTER AT A TIME INTO A TEXT-TO-SPEECH COMPUTER AND SHARE MY THOUGHTS WITH YOU THAT DAY 13 YEARS AGO I WORKED WITH THE TEACHER WHO TAUGHT ME HOW TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.

SHE PUT A PENCIL IN MY HAND AND SHOWED ME HOW TO SPELL OUT THE ANSWERS I HAD CHOSEN BY STABBING THE PENCIL THROUGH LETTERS CUT OUT OF A BOARD SUDDENLY BECAUSE I WAS MAKING LANGUAGE AND NOT JUST HEARING IT. MY MIND BEGAN TO WAKE UP AT 12 YEARS OLD. I HAD A LOT OF LEARNING TO CATCH UP ON BUT I WAS ON MY WAY.

I KNOW NOW THAT A LOT OF MY AUTISM HAS TO DO WITH NOT BEING ABLE TO GET MY BODY TO DO WHAT MY MIND WANTS HER TO DO MY BODY WAS HORRIBLY DISORGANIZED BUT THE MOMENT MY TEACHER PUT ANSWERING QUESTIONS WITHIN MY PHYSICAL ABILITY, I BEGAN TO LEARN AND I LOVED IT AND MY TEACHERS LOVE TEACHING ME AND I THINK THERE'S A LESSON THERE FOR ALL OF US. IF SOMEONE SEEMS LIKE THEY CAN'T OR DON'T WANT TO LEARN LOOK FOR THE PHYSICAL OBSTACLE AND REMOVE IT.

THIS APPLIES NOT JUST TO THE MILLIONS OF PEOPLE LIKE ME WHO HAVE AUTISM AND CAN BARELY SPEAK, BUT TO PEOPLE WHO ARE PREVENTED FROM LEARNING BY DISTANCE LANGUAGE OR ECONOMIC PRESSURES. FOR YEARS I WAS CLASSIFIED AS INTELLECTUALLY DISABLED.

I THINK AT LEAST ONE MONTH SPEAKERS WITH AUTISM ARE CONCERNED, THERE'S NO SUCH THING. THANK YOU IS TAKE OUT WITH MAJ. GARRETT THIS WEEK STEPHEN LAW ALLY OF MITCH MCCONNELL IN ONE OF WASHINGTON'S BIGGEST MIDTERM MONUMENT LIST FOR ME TO SENATE RACES YOU THINK REPUBLICANS HAVE THE BEST CHANCE OF TAKING A DEMOCRATIC SEED WITH NEVADA NOT GEORGIA. GEORGIA IS RIGHT UP THERE, BUT NEW HAMPSHIRE IS A SURPRISE TO NEW HAMPSHIRE.

PEOPLE REALLY JUST KIND OF DON'T LIKE THAT YOU HAVE FOR MORE FROM THIS WEEK'S CONVERSATION, FOLLOW THE TAKE OUT WITH MAJ. GARRETT ON APPLE PODCASTS OR WHEREVER YOU GET YOUR PODCASTS NOVEL ALL THE LIGHT WE CANNOT SEE CAPTURE THE HEARTS OF MILLIONS AND ONE AUTHOR ANTHONY DOOR PULITZER PRIZE. NOW LEE COWAN TELLS US DOORS BACK WITH AN EVEN MORE AMBITIOUS BOOK. THE WATER IS CRYSTAL CLEAR. THIS HIGH UP IN THE IDAHO MOUNTAINS. PAYETTE LAKE IS A GLACIAL ONE TO TURN THE TOWN OF MCCALL. IT WILL RESULT.

PLEASE NO MORE FOREBODING BOOKS BUT IT'S SMALL PUBLIC LIBRARY IS THRIVING HERE ALMOST HALF A CENTURY FILLED WITH THE WORKS OF FARAWAY AUTHORS AND SOME LOCAL STEW, INCLUDING IDAHO'S ANTHONY DOOR USED TO SNEAK IN HERE AND RIGHT BACK WHEN HE AND HIS FAMILY WOULD DRIVE UP FROM THEIR HOME IN BOISE FOR VACATION AND HE COULD BLEND IN WITH THE TOURISTS, BUT THAT ALL CHANGED IN 2050 WHEN DOORS ANONYMITY WAS SHATTERED. AFTER WINNING THE PULITZER PRIZE FOR FICTION SELL, ALTHOUGH I CANNOT SEE THE TEXT AS WELL IS AN AUTHOR'S FAMOUS IS A LOT LIKE WE CANNOT SEE IS AN EPIC WORK OF HISTORICAL FICTION SPENT ALMOST 4 YEARS ON THE NEW YORK TIMES BESTSELLER LIST. NETFLIX IS TURNING IT INTO A SERIES WASN'T OVERWHELMING UTTERLY OVERWHELMING. I STILL HAVEN'T TOTALLY PROCESSED. I THINK WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE NO IT SOLD MORE THAN 15 MILLION COPIES WORLDWIDE DOOR HAD BEEN WRITING FOR YEARS, ESSAYS, SHORT STORIES AND EVEN A MEMOIR ALL GOT LARGELY POSITIVE REVIEWS, BUT NOTHING THAT KIND OF COMMERCIAL SUCCESS. IN FACT, IT REALLY WASN'T THAT LONG AGO SAYS IS WHERE SHAUNA STRUGGLING WRITER PRETTY MUCH SUMMED THEM UP AS WRITING A LOT OF DIFFERENT SHORT STORIES AND HE IS GETTING A LOT OF REJECTIONS AND IN GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS WHERE DO YOU THINK THIS IS ARROGANT HAPPENING. DO YOU THINK I'M EVER IN A BE ABLE TO DO THIS.

THIS IS ALL HE COULD DO IT AGAIN EXPECTATIONS FOR HIS NEXT WORSHIP PRETTY HOT. AS HE SAT DOWN TO WRITE IT. REMEMBER THE DAY I CAME HOME TO MY FAMILY AND SAID WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT THIS RIDICULOUS TITLE CALLED CLOUD CUCKOO PUBLISHED BY SIMON & SCHUSTER, VIACOM, CBS COMPANY, THEY MIGHT IMPLY TO BE A FOOL TO TRY TO DESCRIBE IT IN A SINGLE SENTENCE. THIS IS ACTUALLY MY EDITORS QUESTIONS AS SHE GOES TO THE NOVEL. THIS NEEDS A BIT OF A TRIM. SHE WRITES EVERY BIT AS EXPANSIVE AS HIS LAST NOVEL, MAYBE MORE SO SPANNING MORE THAN 700 YEARS FROM 15TH CENTURY CONSTANTINOPLE THROUGH PRESENT-DAY IDAHO AND FAR INTO THE FUTURE OF THE 22ND CENTURY, TRY THIS BIG BOOK OF EVERYTHING I TRY TO CRAM ALL MY INTERESTS AND PASSIONS FOR NOVEL GENEROUS WITH THEM. WHY WOULD I DO THIS TO MYSELF THIS CRAZY ALMOST EVERY DAY. THIS GOT 400 ALMOST LITTLE CHAPTER READ THESE LITTLE SHORT CHAPTERS HUNDRED AND FIVE CHARACTERS WITH A NOVEL YOU SEE ZENO INTERSECTING WITH SEYMOUR AND AND SO MANY. HE DREW THIS DIAGRAM VISUALIZES LITERARY LAB. I TRIED JUST FOR MY OWN MIND TO BRAID THEIR INTERSECTIONS SELF TOGETHER SPINNING PLATES ON PAUL'S ENTRANCE SPENT ALL FIVE OF THESE PLATES IN THE READERS MIND ALL THE TIME AND KEEP TOUCHING THEM SO THAT THE READER DOESN'T FORGET WHAT'S HAPPENING. THERE WERE AT LEAST FIVE TIMES WHERE HE IS LIKE A CAN'T AND I'M I'M GONNA TRASH IT HUNDREDS OF PAGES JUMPING FROM ONE CENTURY TO THE NEXT ONE CHARACTER. THE NEXT PATH IS INTRICATE, AND YET DOORS THOUSANDS OF TINY DETAILS ARE DEPENDABLE BREADCRUMBS. THE KEEP THE READER FROM BEING LOST.

I DON'T THINK OF MYSELF AS ALL THAT GOOD YET. I'D LIKE TO THINK I'M GETTING BETTER AT MY WORK YOU GOT IT FIGURED ALL I GENUINELY DON'T LANGUAGE IS JUST THE SYSTEM ALL THE TIME FAILING.

YOU ARE ALMOST EXPRESSING WHAT YOU WANT TO EXPRESS WHAT YOU CAN'T QUITE GET THERE AND SO WRITING ITSELF HAS THIS HUMILITY BUILT INTO IT ALMOST FOR ME GROWING UP IN CLEVELAND DOOR STARTED HUMBLING HIMSELF WITH WRITING IN AN AGE WHEN MOST OF US WERE JUST STARTING TO READ BOOKS WITH MORE WORK PICTURE HAVE SPIRAL NOTEBOOKS. I WRITE WRITE STORIES INTO THEM, AND EVEN AT A YOUNGER AGE, AND YOUR MOM'S TYPEWRITER AND TYPED STORIES ABOUT MY TOYS HELD WRITING THESE LITTLE STORY, PROBABLY EIGHT OR NINE.

I REMEMBER THE POWER OF DIALOGUE. I REMEMBER REALLY CLEAR LIKE YOU CAN HAVE QUOTATION MARKS AND THEN YOUR CHARACTERS COULD SEE SWEARWORDS STUFF THAT'S EQUALLY POWERFUL. HIS MOM WAS A SCIENCE TEACHER WENT TO GREAT LENGTHS TO SHOW THEM THE WONDERS OF NATURAL FASCINATION THAT IS NEVER LEFT HIM OR HIS RIGHT YOUR PROBLEM SEEM A LITTLE LESS IMPORTANT WHEN YOU'RE IN THE WOODS. I THINK WE ALL NEED THAT SOMETIMES, MUCH OF THE SETTING FOR CLOUD CUCKOO LAND WAS INSPIRED BY THE WILD LANDSCAPES AROUND MCCALL BRISTLING WITH PONDEROSA PINES THAT SEEM AS OLD AS TIME BUT AS A HINT IN THE NOVEL ARE NO LONGER IS AGELESS AS WE ONCE THOUGHT THE BIG HEADLINE ON CLIMATE CHANGE IS HAPPENING FASTER THAN SCIENTISTS PREDICTED. THESE ARE REAL ISSUES THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH OUR LIFETIMES.

OUR KIDS ARE REALLY AND HAVE TO DEAL WITH SO I FEEL LIKE IT'S REALLY NOVELIST RESPONSIBILITY.

IF THIS IS THE LARGEST ISSUE OF OUR TIME. IT WOULD BE IRRESPONSIBLE OF ME FOR NOT REPRESENTATIVE.

IT'S NOT OVERT VANISHING OF NATURE IS A LOT MORE SUBTLE IN HIS NOVEL IN THE VANISHING BOOKS IS ANOTHER BIG WORRY.

THE SPINE OF HIS TAIL IS AN ANCIENT GREEK TEXT, BUT SOMEHOW MANAGES TO SURVIVE THROUGH THE CENTURIES BY THOSE WHO NURTURE IT.

PERHAPS THAT'S WHY DOOR DEDICATED NOVEL. THE LIBRARIANS EVERYWHERE THOSE HE CALLS THE CARETAKERS OF HUMAN NO LIBRARIES. THIS SERIES OF PORTALS. REALLY, THIS IDEA THAT YOU CAN LIVE MULTIPLE LIVES THROUGH BOOKS SO POWERFUL THAT YOU DON'T JUST HAVE TO LIVE THROUGH YOUR OWN EXPERIENCE. YOU CAN LIVE THROUGH THE EXPERIENCES OF OTHERS AND REALLY INTERMITTENT DEEP ON THE PAGE IT COMES OFF IS PRETTY SERIOUS IN PERSON A LOT OF BOOKS TO CARRY AROUND REALLY TELLS PEOPLE HE SAID NOVELIST HIGH AND MIGHTY SAYS ESPECIALLY TO HIS TWIN BOYS ABOUT TO HEAD OFF THE CALL FOR YOUR KIDS. THINK OF IT ALL REALLY TRY TO DISPEL THE FAMILY THAT WE DON'T TALK ABOUT ALL THE STUFF THAT LIE TO ME. THERE IS THINK SO THAT ELECTION TUBES WITH THEM. AFTER DINNER, DAD IS LIKE I FORGOT MY SENTENCES DOORS WHAT YOU HOPE NOVELIST WOULD BE CAPABLE OF LINKING PAST WITH FUTURE DURING THE MUNDANE GRAY REMINDING US ALL OF OUR VERY TEMPORARY PLACE IN THE STORY. WE HOPE IS NEVER-ENDING.

OUR LIVES AND HOPEFULLY THE SPECIES IS NOT SO THAT IF WE CAN CONTINUE TO CARRY AND TRANSMIT CULTURE AND THIS PLACE TO THE NEXT GENERATIONS. THAT'S THE BEST WE CAN DO IS TO MENU PLAY CODE JAMES BOND IS DANIEL CRAIG STARS IN THE SOON TO BE RELEASED.

NO TIME TO DIE. THE LATEST FILM IN THE LONG-RUNNING FRANCHISE THAT MANKIEWICZ SPOKE WITH CRAIG ABOUT HIS FINAL TURN AS THE FAMED BRITISH AGENT DANIEL CRAIG'S BODY OF WORK IS IMPRESSIVE BONE JAMES BOND. THERE'S HIS SIGNATURE JAMES BOND MORE THAN THE OTHER MOVIES OVER A THREE DECADE CAREER ON SCREEN FOR THE 53-YEAR-OLD BRITISH ACTOR. WHAT MATTERS MOST.

WHAT COMES NEXT AND BACK.

I DON'T REALLY SPEND MY TIME LOOKING OVER THE MOVIE WATCHING THEM ONE FILM THOUGH HAS STAYED WITH ROAD TO PERDITION FOR BOND. THIS IS THE SCENE I WANTED TO WATCH WITH CRAIG AND PAUL NEWMAN GO TOE TO TOE IN WHAT PROVED TO BE NEWMAN'S LAST APPEARANCE IN THE FEATURE FILM. DR. GOODMAN IS FUNNY I LIKE TO APOLOGIZE. I LOOK BACK ON IT NOW I LOOK BACK AT THE DISCO. MY GOODNESS ME. THAT WAS A MOMENT WHEN THINGS CHANGED FOR ME TO KNOW ABOUT MY STATUS WILL MY RECOGNITION. SOMETHING WITHIN ME WENT.

I AM ALLOWED TO SIT AT THIS TABLE. 19 YEARS LATER HIS SEAT IS SECURE AND THEN SO JUST FOR THE PANDEMIC MUSEUM OF MODERN ART CELEBRATED CRAIG'S CAREER WITH A RETROSPECTIVE OF HIS WORK AS AN ARTIST ONCE I FEEL LIKE I'M A LITTLE BIT BEMUSED TO TELL YOU THE TRUTH, BECAUSE IT FELT GENUINELY FEEL LIKE I STARTED DOING THIS YESTERDAY. CRAIG'S MOTHER AND OUR TEACHER ENCOURAGED HER SON TO FOLLOW HIS DREAM OF BECOMING AN ACTOR.

HE STARTED ON THE STAGE BUT FROM AN EARLY AGE. HE WAS DRAWN TO THE BIG SCREEN. I STILL FEEL SLIGHTLY SACRED PLACES. I CAN NEVER HELP MYSELF SO TO VISIT IF I HAVE A CHURCH. THIS IS AS A KID YOU WANT INTO A SPACE IN THE ROTUNDA.

LIGHTS OUT SOMETHING MAGIC WITH NO IDEA WHAT GOES ON THE FRONT, OVER 30 YEARS. GREG HAS DEMONSTRATED HIS RANGE.

HE CAN BE SENSITIVE AS ARTIST FRANCIS BACON'S LOVER AND LOVE IS THE DEVIL, AND BOTH LOOSE AND CHARMING AND K CLEVER ENGLISH CRIME DRAMA THAT ALERTED PRODUCERS, WAS CAPABLE OF SOMETHING MUCH APPARENTLY. WELL, LET'S NOT REALIZE THAT JAMES PLAINTIFF WAS A BIG STEP UP.

THE YEAR BEFORE WHEN HE HEARD STEVEN SPIELBERG WANTED HIM TO PLAY A MEMBER OF AN ISRAELI HIT SQUAD HUNTING TERRORISTS IN MUNICH DIDN'T BELIEVE THAT NICOLE STEVEN SPIELBERG WANTS TO MEET YOU IN PARIS. CAN YOU BE ON THE TRAIN AND BE THERE THIS AFTERNOON I'M LIKE OKAY MY FRIEND JUST TOLD ME THAT STEPHEN SPIEGELMAN ALSO SOME DODGY DIRECTOR AND I DON'T LIKE TO GO. MOST RECENTLY HE SHOWED OFF HIS BOND COSTARRED DENCH CALLS CRAIG'S WICKED SENSE OF HUMOR IN THE BLACK COMEDY KNIVES OUT NO. WOULD YOU MIND DOING THE REST OF THIS INTERVIEW IN THE KNIVES OUT ACCEPT LIKE THEY WANT TO DO ANOTHER ONE. I'M I AM TERRIFIED BECAUSE THE TIME IS LONG TO RELEARN THE ACCIDENT AS IT DID LAST TIME. DANIEL CRAIG IS COMFORTABLE SAYING NO. AFTER PLAYING BOND AND FOR MOVIES. HE SAID HE WAS DONE AFTER THE LAST ONE INSPECTOR FROM 2015, BUT HE CHANGED HIS MIND RETURNING FOR NO TIME TO DIE, 25TH MOVIE IN THE SERIES.

BUSINESSWISE, HE'S BEEN GOOD FOR THE BRAIN AND NEARLY $3 BILLION WIDE BOX. STILL, WHEN HE WAS FIRST OFFERED 007. HE SAID I DID AND IT COULDN'T POSSIBLY DO THAT.

BUT YOU CHANGE YOUR MIND. THE GENERAL CONSENSUS WOULD FOOL NOT TO. BUT IF HE WAS GOING TO TAKE IT WANTED TO PLAY BOND HIS WAY DARKER AND MORE SOBER – SEVEN IN THE HEAVYWEIGHT MAN WHO INSISTED ON THEIR MARTIN SHAKE WHEN I GOT TO A LINE IN THE AND IN THE SCRIPT SAID THAT WHEN HE OWED MARTIN IN THE GAZA STRIP SAID IN THE SCRIPT.

DO I LOOK LIKE I GIVE I WENT AND WHEN CRAIG IS IN IS ALL IN MARRIED TO THE ACTRESS RACHEL VICE. GREG ACKNOWLEDGES HIS TOTAL COMMITMENT TO PLAYING BOND CAN MAKE HIM MISERABLE WHILE I'M FILMING ON THE NIGHT BECAUSE I'M SORT OF IN THIS VISION OF AND I'M SURE THAT'S THE CHARACTER. WHAT DO YOU TAKE WORK HOME WITH YOU.

I THINK WE WILL STAY WORKING WITH THE ROOTS WERE DIFFICULT NOT TO WRITE LONG HOURS AND WORK ON SOMETHING SO SO THERE'S THAT PERSON'S AROUND. MY WIFE KIND OF LIKES IT WHEN HE LEAVES SO WE FINISHED, BUT THE KIND OF RELATIVE NORMALITY BEGAN WITH SEAN CONNERY NEXT GAME. GEORGE LAYS ONE THEN CONNERY AGAIN BY ROGER MOORE, PIERCE BROSNAN, CRAIG SO, WHO'S NEXT. BROSNAN IS SUGGESTED THAT WHOEVER THE NEXT BOND IS BE A WOMAN, PETER SOBEL'S NAME HAS BEEN FLOATED THAT WOULD BE WONDERFUL INSTRUMENTS ACTOR JAMES BOND IS PLAYED BY SOMEONE ELSE YOU KNOW YOU WATCH THE MOVIE YOU INVESTED IN THAT DECISION TO CARE A CARROT SOMEONE GOOD I WANT TO BE GREAT.

I MEAN I THINK THERE'S TWO THINGS YOU SAID WE NEED TO HAVE BETTER PARTS FOR WOMEN AND I DON'T THINK WOMANKIND JAMES BOND IS THE RIGHT WEIGHT RIGHT TO BRING IN PART FOR WOMAN. I'M CONFIDENT IN ITS FUTURE. WHATEVER HAPPENS, WHATEVER THE COST GOES WHATEVER WHATEVER HAPPENS TO IT'S GOING TO BE OKAY.

ALONG THE SAME LINES, YOU'RE NOT JAMES BOND OR DANIEL CRAIG TALENTED ACTOR IS THERE ONE PART OF BOND RELATE TO YOU. YOU DRIVE RECKLESSLY, SO MUCH SO THAT YOUR WHITE LIGHT WON'T RIDE WITH YOU DO HAVE IS THERE SO LITTLE BIT OF BOND IN NONE OF THOSE THINGS GO AS YOU GO SKYDIVING AT THE WEEKEND. DANIEL CRAIG, THINGS ARE DEFINITELY LOOKING UP AS BOND AND BE NOW THAT IT'S NOT. I'VE NEVER TRIED TO DO JOB AS A REACTION TO IT. DON'T DO SOMETHING COMPLETELY THE CHARGED CAN CONTINUE TO WHAT WHAT WHAT WITH SO FINGERS CROSSED ON THE TWO OTHER THINGS CONNERY DID FIVE. HE LEFT AND CAME BACK RIGHT.

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