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Learn more@edwardjones.com good morning we Jane Pauley and this is Sunday morning for millions of Americans today is one of the best days of the year costumes, candy, scary movies and things that go bump in the night and while it may all be in good fun. All that scary stuff is sometimes the stuff of nightmares, which, it turns out, might not be such a bad thing after all. As Tracy Smith will explain four people in the horror business nightmares are a badge of honor you and say you gave me nightmares. Yeah, the highest government is you gave me nightmares. You don't make horror movies for all good bad dreams. Good thing coming up on Sunday morning nightmares. Nothing to be afraid of the most successful bands in pop music history and now Abba is back our sets don't pay them a visit reunion one ages. The guys find out the sea feel like 40 year we went to the studio a solid distinctive sound needed to come back later this Sunday morning eight Houma Aberdeen's life was turned upside down when her husband's political career exploded in shame.

Nora O'Donnell speaks with a very private person about surviving a very public scandal. This is your first television interview S for 25 years she's been mostly invisible as a top aide to Hillary Clinton, but she became painfully visible when her husband, Congressman Anthony Weiner against texting with other women again and again we were just too severely broken traumatized people Houma Aberdeen on her marriage life in the public eye and her fears that if not for her Hillary Clinton would have been president ahead this Sunday morning. Burbank talks with actor Kal Penn about his journey from Hollywood to the White House.

Plus, Steve Hartman and thoughts on being prepared for the afterlife. All this Sunday morning of Halloween, October 31, 2021 will be back in a moment. Our very informal account. There's been at least 20 movies in recent years, with the word nightmare in the title nearly a dozen on Elm Street alone we ask Tracy Smith to help explain why so many of us prefer scary knights to sweet dreams the real world scary enough live radar fears every October on Halloween. The creepy costumes come out every year it seems Hollywood trots out a new movie with a familiar plot line Halloween killed 12 moments.

Since 1978 wanted to see the life you probably remember your first following movie but did give bad dreams or a nightmare. There's a difference is what most people think nightmares are just about fear that they can really be any really negative emotion dream expert Leslie Ellis for a lot of people that it's it's a really bad dream really bad emotions and they wake you up, and they're very vivid and easy to recall nightmares like some horror movies can be unforgettable.

This is the Hollywood museum in Los Angeles where you can see props and costumes from Jason anyone and at least some of these films like the ones with Freddy Krueger here were actually inspired by nightmares five nightmare so excited the first thing you want to do is write it down because it's like this Goldmine of imagery that you director Eli Roth knows as a kid growing up in Boston. He was obsessed with horror films is early drawings were filled with scary movie scenes and he had himself sawed in half at his bar mitzvah, much to the dismay of his relatives that have your apartment. That was my brother and I was just a weird weird kid and that weird kid grew up to host Eli Roth, history of horror creep show is presented like an easy comic book from the 1950s show about the kind of movies that you'll see in your sleep. None of us like having nightmares, but they're actually very healthy to have because you're acknowledging something afraid of, and you're letting expressing I just take my step further and that I write it out and I feel that a project you share your nightmares with the world.

Roth even played a character who tried to give Nazis nightmares, Jews, Jewish Americans older with a baseball bat. Of course you don't always need a bat knock an audience out. Sometimes the image of pure evil is enough to keep people up at night since I was nightmares.

This is the actual set that was used in the filming of 1991. The silence of the lambs, the only horror movie ever to win a best picture Oscar so you must've been told what you should watch horror movies because they give you nightmares. Well, it turns out that nightmares may actually be a good thing.

In fact, some experts say there's really no such thing as a dream kind of a controversial statement, but yes, I believe that all dreams are trying to help us sort through our emotional lives, they represent physical and that the dreaming dreaming picks up on early warning signs. In other words, our brains helps to look out the day's events and anxieties big and small while were asleep in our dreams scare us, but it's not that simple really put a lot of stock in trying to understand the meaning of nightmares or anything like that.

That's also older Freudian psychology which is not a scientific way so that all this dream interpretation that we've done okay my teeth are falling out.

What is it mean you guys don't really rely on that we don't so hundred years ago that there is no scientific evidence to suggest that stuff is valid. So we really don't worry about that anymore. Psychology professor John Abramowitz says dreams should be taken literally. What matters more is what's causing them in the first place.

He runs an anxiety research clinic at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill and says that we can tame our worst fears and nightmares are in real life by confronting them. That's what Leah here is doing. She's the person on the right and she wanted to get over her deathly fear of spiders. She allowed the clinic to record her session with the tarantula. At first she tried to stay as far away from it is possible even by crawling under the desk. But after about three hours. She realized that the spider wasn't going to bite her and she was able to manage her anxiety enough to let the spider take a walk on her arm. So in the same way that you encourage him with anxiety to lean into their fears if we are concerned about our nightmares should lean into. We should set treatment involves having the person recounted nightmares of writing them out engaging with the healthy way.

Rather than trying to push them away. Lots of research suggest that we try to push push away our private experiences, thoughts, emotions that just makes them worse because then we become preoccupied trying to push them away and those experiences end up just kind of push us around Boston is really more than they need.

So embrace your nightmares absolutely says director Eli Roth. There's clearly something beneficial in facing these fears facing our nightmares head-on. What you think. I think there's a human need to confront our fears so that we realize that it's not nearly as bad as we thought, and that it's stopping us from being our highest selves and the take away here.

Maybe as cliché as the car that won't start in a horror movie.

Follow your dreams, one's Aberdeen seem to have it all. She was a top aide to Hillary Clinton and the wife of a brash New York Congressman then came the tabloid sex scandal Nora O'Donnell is in conversation with Houma Aberdeen. This is your first television interview yes never done an interview like this before. That's correct Larry speaking out now. Well I think for most of my adult life. Certainly the last 25 years that I've been in public service are in the public eye. I have been the invisible person behind the primary people in my life, but what I realize is that if you don't tell your story somebody else's writing her history Houma Aberdeen story is as unlikely as it is extraordinary from the pinnacles of power as a top aide to Hillary Clinton to the depths of public scandal as the wife of disgraced former Congressman Anthony Weiner.

You were born in America raised in Saudi Arabia. Her new book is called both and published by Scribner part of Viacom, CDS, Aberdeen, writes about a life lived in many worlds young girl raised in a sheltered Muslim environment, who traveled the globe.

Her mother from Pakistan.

Her father from India.

Both professors both Fulbright scholars. We spent our entire childhood traveling to different countries and cultures and languages in my father's entire perspective on the world was exploring the other Aberdeen studied at the George Washington University player in entering your senior year and then three weeks before you graduate. They offer you a job.

They offer me a job that internship in the job was in the Clinton White House. I would walk and just stare through the skates and look at the house and think what, I can't believe I'm here, she became a need to Hillary Clinton.

Eventually, her Chief of Staff and it turned into a 25 year career. Aberdeen was by Hillary Clinton's side when she was first lady US Sen. Secretary of State and presidential candidate. So if Hillary Clinton were here and I would ask her what she most value about what he think she would say say her loyalty same about her. I have tested that. Not intentionally but I have tested at how her life difficult with things that happen in my personal life. When you first met Anthony Weiner. What you know about on the New York congressional delegation. He was considered this outspoken outgoing eligible bachelor on actually in 2007 Aberdeen started dating representative Anthony Weiner writing that after their first kiss. Her head started spinning and didn't stop. It was her first serious relationship as they began discussing marriage. He made a startling confession and she made a startling discovery that same night that he says to you, I'm broke and I need you to fix me.

You also pick up his blackberry.

Yes what did you find I found a text from a woman very flirtatious text from a stranger.

I was shocked and I showed him right away.

What is this, can you explain this to me and he did. He was a public personality and people communicated with him all the time you write. In hindsight it was a warning sign that was warning sign. Still, they were married in 2010 officiating at the wedding. None other than former Pres. Bill Clinton just on that note about the wedding. Your Muslim Anthony's Jewish and Bill Clinton makes a joke and says what if every wedding is a wonder than this one's a miracle less than a year later, Aberdeen was pregnant and then the first of many shocks that same month, May 2011 Weiner's twitter feed showed a picture he apparently posted of him in his underwear and he lies to about it. He lies about multiple interviews teach us to photograph. I did not. This was a prank, a hoax and then he tells you the truth. Yes, the truth turned out to be that Weiner meant to send a photo to a woman, but mistakenly sent it to his tens of thousands of Twitter followers try to better a better husband to resign from Congress and entered therapy, sometimes with Aberdeen. Their son Jordan was born, the tabloids left no Weiner pond unwritten from being behind the scene is on the front pages of newspapers here in New York City mean losing your anonymity. I like to anonymity a lot read anything about myself. I never to Weiner didn't think his political career was over also learned some tough lessons. He decided to run for mayor of New York and got off to a good start in the lead in American I have to conceives of all the many things to say about Anthony but I have always believed that he is somebody wants to say brilliant idea of paying for it by asking million.

Just when you think that the surprises are over comes out that your husband is texting again. Yes, using alias Carlos danger with a woman whose name is Sydney leathers sending her explicit photos. What happens to your world well my world exploded again and the most unexpected, shocking, humiliating, horrible way. We crossed the threshold. It was just surviving. At that point but will rarely appearing on the campaign trail, but he did speak at a press conference given the now infamous press conference in Europe by his side. I made the decision that was for our son for our family were you okay yes everyone is calling people who loved me, calling me and saying don't do this.

Hillary didn't want to do if I had talked to Hillary or my mother or anybody in my family they would've advised me against doing it and purposely didn't take your call.

I didn't take her calls. There was a campaign videographer was there a lot of moment we get the clip up to standing alongside their spousal abuse is throughout the campaign so I cannot watch the documentary I don't think I ever will. You look sad, you must look a bit in shock. Hindsight, I was still in a tremendous trauma.

Weiner was trounced coming in last place in the mayoral primary. We were just too severely broken traumatized people. I couldn't see that he was completely disintegrating and we just wanted our corners so I want to explain that because I do think that context is important because your busy working mom because people will asking you because you just said you crossed the threshold you stayed with him.

Why I think in part it was a financial decision. In part it was, you know, we moved into a duplex and Anthony's one format to another and we were very concerned about our son having a stable routine for him. It really took a toll on your mental health and you write that for a brief second, you contemplated walking off the subway platform. One of the best things I've had in my life is my faith and belief that there is always a way through Aberdeen reveals that she later found evidence that Weiner's affairs were apparently not just online she discovered an old phone of his. I found communications limit and it was some.

It was quite devastating. I know it's hard for you to say it, you found that he was having physical relationships in your apartment. Yes, it seems like just the trail after betrayal after betrayal. It was moments that I realized the way I had been handling my response to him was not working.

By 2016 Anthony Weiner in Houma Aberdeen were officially separated month after Hillary Clinton became the Democratic nominee for president, yet unknown, this picture of Weiner in bed with their young son was leaked.

That triggered an investigation by child protective services there showing up at your apartment all the time checking on the well-being of your son, were you worried you would lose your son yes. Ask any parent what it feels like that somebody is judging whether you're a fit parent and whether you can keep your child. It's hard to put in words. A few weeks later Aberdeen's two lives truly came crashing together.

Weiner was caught 16 with an underage girl, and FBI agents found emails involving Hillary Clinton on his laptop just 11 days before the election. FBI director James Comey announced he was reopening an investigation into Clinton's emails. Finally, close the probe.

Two days before election day, many considered the damage had been done the right man. Weiner was going to ruin me. And now he was going to jeopardize Clinton's chances of winning the president and then you write, you called Anthony Weiner and you said what Anthony I said, wanting to shake him through the phone. If she loses the selection it will be because of you and me.

That night I wrote one line in my notebook. I do not know how I survived this help me God.

Just call from Sec. Clinton. It all ended course with Hillary Clinton to Donald Trump.

The debate over what caused her defeat. However has never and Hillary Clinton to be in her second term as president thought that crosses my mind, probably more than it crosses her lives here on that. I think when you say take it to your grave.

Do you mean because you think about something you could have done to help fix the situation, make it better because you're kind of in that role reconciled and it took me a while to reconcile that it was not all my fault.

I lived with did I don't believe that it's more a sense of ache in the heart that it didn't have to be. And also my belief that she would have been an extraordinary she really would have meant for women and girls not just in this country, but around the world five years later Aberdeen is still led Hillary Clinton side, he or she is when Bill Clinton was hospitalized a couple of weeks ago, Weiner served 18 months in prison after pleading guilty to transferring obscene material. Aberdeen and Weiner are finally finalizing their divorce.

They still see each other as they raised their son, who is now nine years old. What's your relationship, like now with Anthony Weiner. We are we are good is my coparents and I learned the full truth. I processed it and moved on and I wish him well.

He I hope wishes me well.

I think he does. You're not angry with him. I can live in that space anymore. I tried that it almost killed me. This is intelligence matters with former acting Dir. of the CIA. Michael Morel bridge Colby is cofounder and principal of the Marathon initiative project focused on developing strategies to prepare the United States for your sustained great power competition states something we can usually figure it out what people are saying and what we can know analytically and empirically as our strategic situational motors is not being matched up follow. Intelligence matters were ever you get your podcasts was in the midst of a successful acting career when he decided to flip the script Luke Burbank talks with him about his path from White Castle to the White House. I really enjoy going to school your help and remembers the exact moment his life changed to admin in the first time experience being in the zone as a doctor.

It was during a school production of the Wiz in suburban New Jersey put the actual audience… All you fine ladies out there just this pelvic thrust like that feeling was interesting. Interesting because it gave Penn born Copan Suresh Modi a way to navigate his world, going from a self-described skinny brown kid from New Jersey will to a movie star in films like Harold and Kumar go to White Castle.

Please because the next most people instead of her skull. Scott got it and TV shows like Sunnyside does will will probably be little drunk. Penn's journey to stardom was a somewhat unlikely one born in Montclair. The child of parents who moved to the US from India.

Penn didn't see many people who look like him on American film and TV growing up.

If you're always groping people look like you won't scream. I totally understand why a lot of people what's the big deal, but to be invisible, makes you feel like your possibilities might be limited.

Thanks for letting us take over the classroom, but he found an early champion in nearby Howell high school drama teacher Stephen cassock off what you remember about him as a student tell had a wonderful natural way of approaching something so he never quite looked as if he was acting. He looked as if he just slipped in here and belong to Betsy then home to those acting skills wherever he could, including, of all places in front of the Metropolitan Museum of Art in New York, my friends, with little stairs and fell into monologues for tourists of the goal was only to make sure back to Jersey. Eventually Penn earned a ticket to UCLA's prestigious acting program and probably figured he was on his way to making it then the realities of Hollywood said North London once and she spoke loudly and slowly. This is the sign in sheet and then in conversation, saying something like will work your turbine about workable about sick and #3: put a bedsheet on her head or something. Early on he faced the nearly impossible choice of trying to avoid stereotypical roles still advancing up Hollywood's ladder then came Harold and Kumar go comedy hit features to both Asian American men without accidents have simple goal to get very high and to visit a white cast. I was really happy that this will have the chance to play them or not, but really the film change the course of Penn's career leading to serious movie roles like the award-winning the namesake is that what you think of and a lucrative job on the hit TV show house for moving the finger bring me to get used to doing extravagant try harder. Which is right about when Penn decided to do something highly unexpected.

He walked away from acting to campaign for and eventually joined the White House staff Barack Obama.

Remember, like my manager being very perplexed surgery will do this career shift. This reference is the time to do it so passionately do.

Penn worked for two years in the office of Public engagement with a focus on connecting with Asian Americans and Pacific Islanders and experience. He details in his new memoir, you can't be serious, published by Simon & Schuster, Viacom, CBS company.

I don't like politics.

I like public service and that goes back to my grandparents, marched with Gandhi and the Indian independence movement and those were the dinner table conversations we have and one more thing. Penn writes about in his new memoir, his partner Josh I thought was interesting how would present itself in the book. It was fairly matter-of-fact. Was it like for you to put that in this book for the world to know about just not been together for 11 years Ritter 11th anniversary in October. So for me in writing about the tricky thing was right.

It's it's very matter-of-fact in our lives and when you're the son of Indian immigrants who says that you want to be a doctor. The chaos that that creates and your family and your community will trump anything else always. After leaving the White House.

He picked up right where he left off and has been working steadily in TV and film these days help and walks around the steps of the Met gets a somewhat different response than back when he was 16 mean is it ever surreal to you, though, realize like this is how your life has turned out, and you always sort of think it was going to happen really feel incredibly blessed when I have the chance to be part of a project that I'm really passionate about, for the same reason that I was passionate about the Wiz in eighth grade. There still an opportunity as an artist to just make somebody laugh or feel some happiness with other humans in another space and time is a is a magic to this that I hope never gets old to Steve Hartman with the tail of a man driven to serve.

If anyone has earned a coffee break it 63-year-old Mike Mason of Midlothian, Virginia, Mike served his country first as a captain in the Marines like Mason from the later is good. Number four man at the FBI. Mike left the bureau in 2007 went on to work as an executive at a Fortune 500 company and the chief operating officer of this rocking chair. Mike says retirement did not sit well with him. I've thought of mind and I still have things I thought it was capable of doing. Mike was going to start a new chapter would have to be something really important job with a big payout worthy of his time. So in the end, the choice was clear from top of the FBI, US Mike Mason may be the most overqualified school bus driver in America. When I gave them my resume actually got called by a very senior person in the county and he said just check in what you want to be a bus driver. I told Mike and heard the Chesterfield County public school district was down 125 drive part of a national crisis that more than half the school districts in America are reporting severe driver shortages. Mike stepped up all wax. I mean this guy actually waxes his boss is just how I roll. It is, but I think this is important work do you sincerely believe that what you're doing today is as important as what you are doing. I do, I think in our society. We need to get next to the idea that there are no unimportant job. What could be more important than the attention we pay to our education system so you continue to advance in your career that's exactly right. A lot less, but I advance my career is for the salary. Mike says he already donated all of what he expects to make this year more than $30,000 to various charities.

But of course much bigger gift is far less tangible like Jason had climbed to the highest level by stepping this job you shown true leadership.

Leadership by example some really scary thoughts from Amy Pickard. She called herself a death positive facilitator and you're about to understand why quick, what's the leading cause of death folks, you're going to die, but for real, you're definitely going to die. And yet if you're like most people you literally put more thought into building your own burrito.

They need you thinking about your own demise and I'm here to tell you, it's your loved ones who pay the price. Following is a day we celebrate the spirit and what better day to talk about advanced planning for when we become ghosts and most people think they don't need to plan because they're not rich, but regardless of income.

Someone with you after you're gone.

Organize your belongings arrange your funeral. Take care your goldfish etc. etc. so why would you leave your loved ones to just wing it without any instructions. That's more of a trick or treat what's preventing you from having a conversation they feel it's awkward or uncomfortable to talk about death will imagine the awkwardness when you are in the ICU intubated and unable to communicate and it's up to a family member to decide what happens to you without ever having a single conversation about it.

Now that hashtag awkward to talk to friends and family about whether you want to be cremated or buried or what kind of food you want served or music played at your funeral or life celebration, or you want to speak for you. If you're unable to speak for yourself. Make sure someone knows where your important papers are accessed in case of emergency to someone you know your passwords for your email accounts until you pay online or what to do with your record collection or specific heirlooms don't make your loved ones gas advance planning erases guilt, uncertainty, confusion and anger better to leave behind love instead of logistics. Thank you for listening.

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