CBS Sunday Morning,

CBS Sunday morning podcast is sponsored by Edward Joe college tours with your oldest daughter updating the kitchen to the appropriate decade retiring on the coast.

Life is full of moments that matter and Edward Joe's helps you make the most of them. That's why every Edward Jones financial advisor works with you to build personalized strategies for now and down the road so when your next moment arrives bigger small, you're ready for it. Life is for living. Let's partner for all of it. Learn more@edwardjones.com morning. I'm Jane Pauley and this is Sunday morning on the radio. The fighting in Ukraine is moving into 1/3 week, and the question of course is how far will Vladimir Putin go in his campaign against the Ukrainian people while you're at home. Ted Koppel asks just how much are Americans willing to sacrifice in hopes of saving Ukraine's fragile democracy and communicate 10 Years Ago Different Cir. drew the time would come when an enemy of this country.

Where is cyber Pearl Harbor any nuclear missile 60 years ago the world came to the brink of nuclear war. When this little girl's great-grandfather, Nikita Khrushchev put nuclear tipped missiles in Cuba would be a walk in the park comparing to what UK weapons can do now wonder, will Vladimir do mix coming up on Sunday morning. The other 2+-year-old battle against Cove had hopeful signs. The worst may be behind us. The right time for us to ask our Martha Tyson or to go in search of the lessons learned more than 50 million people died in 1918 flu you'd expect a pretty big monument to their memory right wrong. This bench in a Vermont cemetery is by far the biggest.

In fact, one of the only ones anywhere. The Spanish flu is often referred to as a forgotten flow. I had the Sunday morning question will we forget Cove into and the lessons it can teach us.

She is the queen of country music. He's a best-selling author and is Lee Cowan tells us that have collaborated on a project bound to be a real page turner. James Patterson is always had a dream about writing. I wanted to write the kind of book. Read and reread so many times that the body would break the book would fall apart in the pages scattering with that dream. However, to include Dolly Parton plot ration between the city slicker and the country.

I got laid on Sunday morning MRI Ukraine, including a report from David Pogue on social media's role in the fighting maraca on this modern day retelling of the biblical tale of David and Goliath some thoughts from John Dickerson.

This war has just begun, but it's not too soon to speculate about Vladimir Putin's endgame and Senior contributor Ted Koppel wonders just how far are Americans willing to go to stop the Russian aggression.

Nobody is going to attack the Ukrainian people.

No one. Sometimes, in weighing what Russian officials are saying no babysitting next week, looking for clues look fake fact that his use those news it helps to take a look at what they were saying. Just a few days ago you got your blood enough. We have no plans no intentions attack Ukraine. We want no laws in your selenium and we wanted war or not, of course not. There are no strikes on civilian infrastructure, one can possibly know for sure what's next, we have turned for people whose life experience and accumulated expertise gives their opinions special people are being fired for speaking against the war. My niece just got arrested in the center of Moscow. She was just walking and because she's young that police assume that she might be protesting against the work you just get arrested.

Great-grandfather was Nikita Khrushchev, Nino Chris Truffaut defected was determined those days when Rozier was known as the Soviet Union is now a professor of international affairs at the new school in New York but still has close ties to the country where she was born number is up is popular 31% from 60 American reproach those poll relics on the Kremlin saw the Kremlin at the Nevada Pope, but I suspect when the bodies come back in the dark of night will bring about a photograph, absolutely. And they'll landing the only information that they burning those bodies really yeah so it's really quite stunning asked time right now. He's not getting the movement out of the military in Ukraine is not making the progress he thought I believe is going to turn the cyber Keith Alexander was in. Generally when you were in the NASA national security agency. Few Americans know more about cyber warfare will Vladimir Portman or how he may retaliate than Gen. Alexander's abilities in Europe and the United States with that cyber and I believe those are taxable across a wide spectrum.

Can you put it in terms of what the average citizen is going to explore the average person is going to look at what's happening to their bank. What's happening to their power company or their credit cards or the distribution of goods weathers oil and gas supply so their stores all of that could be impacted by cyber attacks while thinking about mother-in-law. It's not just about territorial conquest and what we call hybrid wall information law influence operations propaganda cyber run similar attacks to convey the sense that criminal groups in a for example, puma Hill worked at the Trump White House in the national Security Council, where she served as senior director for Europe and Russia. Her memoir there is nothing for you here is just out in a sense, for owners, we are already engaged in World War III exactly how many average American families, particularly in the hotlines have had the sons and daughters and Afghanistan and Iraq and Syria and deployed overseas, but you have to think that we are all part of this is why we can't just think if it's the families of other people in America have been deployed overseas, and who have been in harm's way male bailiff is right now the reality is that cyber is today a weapon of war.

Without question that can be used to paralyze another country. It's hard to think of anyone with more government experience than Leon Panetta. Once chairman of the House Budget Committee White House Chief of Staff, Secretary of Defense CIA director.

Attackers could also seek to disable or degrade critical military systems and communication networks, and one of the earliest voices warning of the dangers of cyber warfare of these kinds of attacks could be a cyber Pearl Harbor. When you hear Vladimir Putin warning about consequences the likes of which the world has never seen before. Everyone immediately assumes that he's talking about nuclear warfare.

Could he be talking about cyber warfare I don't think there's any question he could be talking about cyber warfare. No cyber as a weapon means that you don't have to deploy your Air Force or boots on the ground, you can simply sit at a computer and deploy a very sophisticated virus that can take down our electric grid system take down our financial systems or government systems or banking systems.

Pres. Biden has repeatedly emphasized that no US troops will be sent to Ukraine. Our forces are not and will not be engaged in the conflict with Russia in Ukraine. At the same time the president has warned Putin against attacking anyone of the 30 nations which are members of NATO United States and our allies will defend every inch of territory that is NATO territory for positive next week or next month. Vladimir Putin orders Russian troops and one of those Baltic states do we risk nuclear war to respond to the it's a dangerous moment. Nobody can deny that were dealing with somebody who might very well resort to some kind of nuclear weapon, or worse, we have drawn a line and I think if we failed to to stand by that line, it would deeply undermine our credibility to ourselves and to the world wants us to think and to believe because he been explicit about it that the new corruption is on the table because he has parts has nuclear forces on high alert, so he wants us to to know that he's thinking about this because one of the things about Vladimir Putin.

If it if he has an instrument how cruel and unusual or terrifying instrument may be, he wants us to think that he would use it so we have to address this issue seriously not be intimidated because that's exactly what he wants not to be scanned into fallback. My fear is that he's prepared to go as far as he needs to go and that's why I hope it's a cliff excludes NATO countries but we really and this point cannot exclude that possibility would mean we are at the brink of nuclear it will mean that where exactly in that World War III that would been talking about for the last three mind and so eagerly trying to avoid so that's that's also signed that piece playing and I hope he's only playing but playing a very, very, very dangerous game uses a nuclear weapons. I think that's the end of his regime. I think he understands that I believe the alternative, you will use is threatened with nuclear he will use cyber and I believe were to push back about those areas and we have the ability to do the same thing against him. The issue will be. I believe I should be more focused to go after him. Then the Russian people. Russian people are accustomed to enduring the American people.

Quite frankly, not so when it comes to those exchanges of cyber attacks, depriving us of what we need for our daily lives. That's what the Russians would been doing forever. We are accustomed to having what we want when we want.

Yeah. So it ring out in a great point and on the surface what you say makes sense. What happens when a sister I believe will grumble and out but it's almost like what happened in World War II. It'll wait the American people. My belief and they'll say this has to stop.

I don't know where that will go. I have tremendous faith and confidence in the will of the American people to push back when the going gets tough Sunday morning on CBS news radio continues in a moment you're listening to Sunday morning on CBS news radio bar is as old as humanity. But the Internet is one of its newest weapons we asked our David Pogue to survey the front lines this past week about 20 countries including the US sent weapons to Ukraine, but in this war. The Ukrainians were already well-equipped with one particular kind of weapon, social media, Ukraine is a tech savvy nation citizens have turned every cell phone into a new source and every social media app into a strategic tool of war.

Many of the videos depict Ukrainian heroism and defiance, and help to build support and empathy around the world. In this one Ukrainian woman tells a Russian soldier take the seeds and put them in your pockets so at least some flowers. I hear other videos offer assistance strategies to fellow Ukraine, like how to make Molotov cocktails and symptoms are intended to humiliate and demoralize in this video. Ukrainian man Mark Russian take drivers run out of gas sheet that we at war and once a foot and hence – and we went to make sure that we know the recent development attends two weeks ago Eunice Olson was a professor and a member of the Ukrainian Parliament now is also a member of the social media resistance am sitting here in the room with the other. Here hello hello everyone using the social media there online right now that I constantly think around my neck like 20 hours that day.

Right now, with this idea that the president suggested or the media suggested or is it just everybody spread the idea person-to-person doesn't understand he is living in a society where there is stamina top and then he gestured to take down some and then everything just just, you know.

But estimation of the case with Ukraine and resistance. This is no single center of decision-making process exactly because it is so decentralized, it is actually functioning because there are no bottlenecks as you would end up in the if you have missed it in a centralized system when you sit down to tweet. For example, who are you thinking is the I think I'm using different platforms for different purposes when & Facebook that is typically a tweet is not that big in Ukraine, so I am using Twitter as a way to reach out to the international audience mainly and then the results Instagram, which is not as political asthma for like you know human side of the story is just now is the blocking Facebook messages. They block that probably won't happen.

Our sources in Russia tell us that the Russian Internet regulator has not only shut down Facebook has also crippled Twitter by making it impossible to see photos and videos and a new Russian law that is up to 15 years in prison for any journalist whose reporting contradicts the official narrative the Kremlin wants to make its own official channels. Only news sources available to Russian citizens. Now the old saying goes that the first casualty of war is the truth in this war is no exception.

This information is flying thick and fast. For example, this video does not show the ghost if he Ukrainian flying ace shooting down six Russian planes. It's actually a clip from a video of Weitzen, even we can't guarantee that all the videos that show you are authentic. But one thing is certain. Russia has a much bigger military but in the battle for public opinion scrappy will. Ukraine is running rings around its enemy.

Thanks to social media soldiers Eunice Olson telling the story does help us save the people that is the most important but I think Sunday morning on CBS news radio continues after this high podcast.

Drew Barrymore on my get mad. I want to tell you about our new shout business podcast and each episode mean weekly, gastric and other quirky find inspiring and informative stories that exist because well I and maybe you do too. Newest Entergy sign trend Barbie car to the right and wrong way to wash her also getting the things that you just kind of well probably not able to do in daytime television so watch out. Tristan is ever you get your podcast. It's a good news on the guy is taken with page again this week. Stephen law ally of Mitch McConnell in one of Washington's biggest midterm monument list for me to Senate races you think Republicans have the best chance of taking a democratic seed with Nevada not Georgia. Georgia is right up there with New Hampshire's products to New Hampshire people really just kind of don't like that you have for more from this week's conversation, follow the take out with Maj. Garrett on Apple podcast forever.

You get your podcasts it Sunday morning on CBS news radio and here again is Jane probably as new infections and mask mandates are falling nationwide is unquestionably finally some light at the end of the coven title but we can't close the book on this time without Martha Tyson is look at lessons learned 1890 to 1918, 1917 1918 every person. On this snowy slope died within days, weeks of each other here in Barry Vermont. It's humbling nearly 200 that fall during that other pandemic.

The 1918 so-called Spanish flu that people will open the wayside in July 1918 and two months later, the pandemic hits Barry, Brian, Zach and Nellie and his wife Karen own the wayside restaurant now nice window table. It's become a Vermont institution.

But second, Nellie has never stopped thinking about how little he knew about the 1918 flu, and the fact that the grandfather he never met was one of its victims were laid to rest. He died at 35 terrible year germanium. Secondarily, like so many other Italian stone cutters had moved Barry to quarry granite to carve the nation's gravestone and often each other's as it turned out, the Spanish flu is often referred to as a forgotten flow if we had anything to do with that it wasn't going to be forgotten. Your menu and all the others we wanted to do something to memorialize him in the 50 million others worldwide… Because to his astonishment. There was no substantial monument anywhere in spite of the staggering number of dead the forgotten pandemic. Indeed, so in 2018 century after the fact he commissioned this one. It is unbelievable that nothing else had been done 675,000 Americans died in that pandemic where it nearly a million and counting from Cove has history taught us anything, this time around it. Confirm the lesson from 1918 to tell the truth to Lane University scholar John Barry wrote the definitive history of the 1918 flu or things like this is all about the 1918 virus is ordinary and pointed by another name, which of course what compare little like the regular flu that we have flu shots for its crystal clear trump himself knowingly said things that weren't true.

It's going to disappear one day is like a miracle, it will disappear and what did confusion there really is no reason right now people to run out by mass over the constantly evolving science keep the mask on due to trust and compliance.

It went from no math to my square mask to 4, two masks trust truth are all interconnected, was the result. The same then and now will clearly people might otherwise have been alive, died in 1918 and clearly this time around. People didn't believe the truth when they were told the truth and misinformation the active attacks on vaccines.

There's no question it's killed were already forgetting even before the pandemic is over. We are already forgetting Martha Lincoln is a medical anthropologist at San Francisco State University who sees 1918 amnesia happening again. I foresee at best a long struggle about whether we will remember really at all and if we remember what that memory will really be our entertainment she says is like some little universe with whom it is invisible or long gone. Not everyone is choosing to forget back in Barry Vermont, the self-proclaimed granite center of the world.

The monument business is booming product line all the Rob manager manages this huge rock of ages five people are looking at the mortality right wanting to take care of the final arrangements before something happened. The longing to remember and be remembered capitalist.

I think that if we don't manage to properly memorialize those that have been lost in this pandemic. It it says that people like my dad's life didn't matter. Kristin Keyser never to say goodbye marker. Keyser died on June 30, 2020 isolated on a ventilator in an Arizona hospital. It was pre-vaccine cases were rising, but Arizona had opened back up. Sure, maybe he should have said now it's you coming together with his friends to celebrate the end of the pandemic. He was given false information upon which he made twice as cost him his life. Keyser founded a nonprofit advocating for permanent memorials and a covert Memorial day in Congress. There's been limited support our elected officials would much rather move on and I'm here to say were not going wouldn't be surprised there weren't really many memorials really a million dead. They invisible which parties going to take credit for that now. There's been an effort to create covert commission like the 9/11 commission which unfortunately nobody seems eager to accept for John Barry. The 1918 flu should be justification enough proof of the cost in human lives of forgetting. There will be another pandemic. If we allow the lessons that could be learned from this not to be learned, then we are really fools. The Bible tells us the story of David who slew the giant Goliath Moroccan now recounts that tale of courage and looks at the man. Some see as David's modern-day counterpart. Despite its military might the global Goliath Russia meeting it's modern-day David avast invading army under the command of an autocrat. David tried fighting against Goliath we we really ought David against Goliath, a much smaller country under siege. Its leader, refusing to flee. Pres. Vladimir Wilensky, who is leading a defiant nation in this David and Goliath battle when it was clear that Zielinski was staying.

What did you think I thought, he's a leader is a David is a coward. Steve leader is senior rabbi of Wilshire Blvd., Temple in Los Angeles.

We have elderly Ukrainian women making Molotov cocktails in the race. That's not a David Goliath story.

I don't know what is in the biblical story of David and Goliath, the Israelites are outmatched by the Philistines and the giant Goliath. Only a shepherd boy named David, armed with a sling and fight smooth stones is willing to challenge Goliath with a single shot. He fells the giant and the Philistines flee. Every one of us at one point or another has faced frightening out there many stories like this where a powerful narcissist of bully. Frankly, ends up being crushed under the weight of his own demagoguery and his own narcissist fighting increasingly grim odds Ukrainian leader of the loaded or Zielinski who became famous playing a schoolteacher realtor is who unexpectedly becomes president of Ukraine and whose words is the actual president have galvanized people well beyond his country to even if you destroy all our cathedrals and churches. You will not destroy our sincere faith in God and Ukraine. You know he was raised in the Soviet Union as a Jew. He understands what it means to be an outsider Soviet choose Heather support stamped right with yes correct black mark on your passport said your prior and so he understands only and of having to do the best you can with what you have that's in his DNA. As is the DNA of Goliath." That might makes right that the leader is not accountable for the suffering of his own people, for the moment, as Russia continues its merciless advance.

Zielinski, a 44-year-old husband and father remains resolute anonymized so we have nothing to lose but our own freedom and dignity for us. This is the greatest treasure. I can't be the only one asking himself what would I do, could, could I be that person's expression I think of often which is when you must.

You can if you had asked Zielinski five years ago.

Do you think you could be the man who five years from now stands up to Vladimir Putin in the Russian army. He might've said no but Rabbi leader says a challenge this great also requires a certain kind of faith in order to be a David you have to be in denial of the full powers of the Goliath right. It takes some denial.

The truth of the stories you may not always win with courage, but you've got a hell of a lot better chance Sunday morning on CBS news radio continues in a moment it's Sunday morning on the radio. The topic is leadership and the commentary comes from our John Dickerson before floating or Zielinski became president of Ukraine play one on TV since the Russian invasion. Zielinski has become a president.

Actors across the world would rush to portray but it didn't against Russian claims he fled his country. Zielinski was defiant targeted for assassination. He refused a US offer of escape. I need ammunition, not a ride.

He said this may be the last time you see me, he told the leaders of the European Union's appeal for support was so moving.

They increased their sanctions on Russia significantly his commitment to a nation that has been free for just 30 years. Refreshed resolution of democracies that are much older. It is a hero story, but it wouldn't have a very long run without an audience. Leaders are made by followers get a say in what they're being led to an Ukrainians echoed the certain trumpet Ukrainians stood before tanks Ukrainians mom Russian vehicles, Ukrainians returned to their country to take up arms.

We are watching what Victor Frankel identified the last time evil earned Europe a Nazi concentration camp survivor Frankel wrote everything can be taken from a man but one thing the last of the human freedoms to choose one's attitude in any given set of circumstances, to choose one's own way what Vladimir Putin has tried to snuff out. He has instead illuminated on the world stage. Ukrainians are not squatters on some stray Soviet scrap. They are human and we are watching them and their leader make the basic choice that defines what it means to be human. Sunday morning on CBS and here again is Jane Hawley when one of the most authors on the net teams up with the reigning queen of country music Lee Cowan has a most entertaining answer to that question. Real river running through Montana. The bluebird Café Nashville is home to some of the best short story writer after all. Story is what makes a great country so and every right to specially claim like novelist James Patterson know just how hard that can be. I actually try to write some country-western songs in Akasaka, love, softer form. No, because, in part, Patterson was too busy becoming a novelist. He's written or cowritten more than 200 of them has more bestsellers than any music city. His Masters from Vanderbilt University and he's never forgotten the faces of wannabe country stars wandering from bar to bar, you could not send one of those bars for more than 10 minutes that somebody coming straight sit down and plan his latest novel, Patterson decided to write about a nobody, Nashville with dreams of becoming some. He admits that the tale is well-worn is an old pickup, which is why he needed a coat right actually lived that life to give the book a little sparkle when he said he second writes about serial legendary Dolly Parton might seem an odd pairing the girl from the great Smoky Mountains of East Tennessee became one of the queens of countries teaming up with former Manhattan executive turned bookworm barely touched the target life even met until 2019. Patterson flew to Nashville to pitch Dolly on the go pick him up at the airport thinking about coming down this English since in my afternoon. If I can all be there. If you guys hadn't clicked.

Not strictly liked each other. What happened lately.

What we have to do it. My little friends have gone on some plan to demolish test and have to get famous you the collaboration is called Ron Rose. The story of a young country singer named Annie Lee who comes to Nashville only to find that the music industry can be just as heartbreaking as the secret she's carrying 2.1 perfect blood red nail in Annie Lee's heart. Here's my advice for you. Any keys Nashville while you still game Annie Lee finds comfort in a retired country music icon named red in the audiobook by who else Dolly, herself, Annie Lee swallowed part. It's a hard drive business attorney thing like you can't do when reading the book, which we hope to give the book is in a lot of ways from a cautionary tale about the music business is it shows a lot of the dark side of it that people that have been in it, like me, you know that you because you lived, did you experience a lot about managers that they were there with the mysterious kind never have seen no reservoir of country music. We Patterson but as it's been over life doesn't enter anything just to do it halfway job partnerships and book involvement instead of just writing dialogue, helping block out chapters Dolly added this to the company pretty easily found, when Patterson's characters were shaped by lyrics Dolly wrote herself a couple days after I got there, she sent me the lyrics for seven saw a couple days wrote seven pages and I'll get you some bucks so I started doing the album of Dolly's 12 original songs will be released this week in tandem with enough rare writing is where Parton Patterson are more alike than you might think it is a chore for either Joe as it is a necessity still writing and I don't think anything showing on paper boxes. Do they do you think I don't, I will not get up in the middle of the night.

Write stuff down my belief yes my belief is that if it's good I'll remember there's too many times after I get up in the morning. I looked at like I like what I dream things like some people do not there both champions literacy. Dolly's own father couldn't read which is why she cherished every book that came into her house. Everything looks the way this man from books. Books can last 25 years plus imagination Library is gifted more than 150 million books to kids under the age of five. For his part, Patterson is quietly donated millions of dollars to school libraries as well as independent bookstores and more. Only 45 silicates in this country really grade level, which is a disgrace.

So the biggest names in their respective fields not only share cause and my right, but a lot of mutual respect, better than I heart is so cool and he listened very well except he knows his boss Dolly gave Patterson an autographed guitar for his birthday. He says he's never learned to play, preferring instead to let his cowriter is only a Nashville legend Sunday morning on the radio continues in a moment you're listening to CBS Sunday morning on the radio tomorrow on CBS morning Michael Lewis and coming up next weekend here on Sunday morning tennis with Hollywood have a Will Smith music and memories from Keith Richards and Harvey Fierstein has stories to tell, I'm Jane Hawley.

Please join us when our trumpet sounds again next Sunday morning on the radio and crazy to its final point is we need people in the best way to protect people final season Millstream