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Jane Pauley hosts a Mother Day edition of “Sunday Morning.” Martha Teichner on the leaked draft from the Supreme Court on the possibility of overturning Roe v Wade. Jim Axelrod on what overturning Roe v Wade means for the country. Rita Braver is on Broadway sharing some laughs with the cast behind the hit “POTUS.” Robert Costa talks politics with the ultimate Washington insider David Gergen. Longtime friends Phil Rosenthal and Ray Romano discuss food and travel.

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Learn more@edwardjones.com morning. Happy Mother's Day. I'm Jane Pauley and this is Sunday morning. Even in a city infamous for leaks. Last Monday night's release of a draft Supreme Court opinion reversing Roe V Wade was a bombshell. The breach of the nation's highest court was all but unprecedented motivation still unknown.

While a final decision on the landmark abortion ruling isn't expected for several weeks. The battle lines have been drawn this morning. We have two reports beginning with Martha Tatian the likely end Roe V Wade in Illinois and Missouri.

It's not battle over its battle on I'll take you there this Sunday morning and then Jim Axelrod will look at what overturning Roe means for the Supreme Court, and all of us coming up right or braver is on Broadway this morning sharing some laughs with the all-star cast of its newest comedy POTUS going anywhere yet when you see Vanessa Williams headlining a gleeful cast of women directed by five-time Tony award winner Susan Stroman you might be surprised. The writer is this your very first Broadway show and howled in 28. Pretty amazing right if anything later on Sunday morning, the women of POTUS Robert Costa talks politics and more with the ultimate Washington insider David Gergen, Dr. John, the Pope speaks with Dr. Ray Romano and his former boss Phil Rosenthal about food and friendship on the subject of food.

Elaine Quijano tells us about an inspiring link between doughnuts and the American dream Gwyneth Paltrow with thoughts on Mother's Day horsetail from Steve Hartman and more on this Sunday morning for 8 May 2022 will be right back. The link to draft of a Supreme Court decision overturning the landmark Roe versus Wade is sending shock waves through our cultural, political, and religious landscape. We have two reports Jim Axelrod will be along shortly. But to begin Martha Tyson are on the front lines of the abortion debate. Never mind the justice Samuel Alito's leaked majority opinion was a draft of the final decision.

Its impact was like a furlough grenade once detonated it ignited all the pent-up passion surrounding the expected overturning of Roe V Wade after nearly 50 years.

The news was a shock, not surprised. 2019. We got a preview of in a dry run of what living oppose Roe reality was to look like the MLC Rodriguez is Pres. and CEO of Planned Parenthood for the St. Louis region in southwest Missouri in 2019 only last-minute court intervention. The Planned Parenthood facility in St. Louis open the last abortion clinic in the state that moment that we started to be strategic for planning for future without abortion in the state of Missouri when Delta based thousand square-foot facility in secret in Fairview Heights just across the Mississippi River from St. Louis in Illinois. Abortion laws are is liberal here as they are restrictive in Missouri last year. It performed approximately 6000 abortions.

It is prepared to perform 14,000 a year going forward.

So we are doing this, not just for certain patients but for patients from across the Midwest and the South. If you want to see what a post-Roe world look like this is it. Just look at a map of the states were abortion will be legal like Illinois and all those others where it likely will not a new kind of continental divide in January the Fairview Heights clinic open this first in the nation regional logistics center. The panic in okay. It provides patients, money, transportation and lodging.

Whatever they say they need wherever they are type of travel arrived. Michael Cho wanted Shannon runs the center. I'm sure their antiabortion supporters who will say years facilitating people killing their babies. I will tell you that I am sitting here every day.

Facilitate a person's right to choose what they want to do with her body and dreamed of being a mom. When I learned that some children don't even have the right, just shocked.

My conscience still dies equally passionate but on the opposite side is Missouri State Representative Mary Elizabeth Coleman, elated that the Supreme Court could actually overturn Roe soon it seems like an incredible victory for the American experiment in my mind.

We have a decision 50 years ago was wrongly how the conservative pro-life movement has been working within the system to change that bad since it was passed mother of six lawyer Coleman is the face of hers states waiting in the wings law banning abortion. Roe gets overturn what happened abortion is legal in the state of misery, except for the life of the mother. Coleman has proposed legislation that goes further, targeting not the woman herself, but any professional service provider anywhere who knowingly aids or abet someone from Missouri getting an abortion exactly the sort of services the Fairview Heights facility provides you live in Missouri or New York your value as a person. I like to see us continue to try to this at a national level as well. According to a CBS News poll out today more than 6/10 Americans want Roe left in place, but if it does fall as expected the battle over abortion shifts from the courts and legislative arena at all levels of government and both sides agree on this one thing right now about your life and your future. Actually, this is your maximum security fence surrounding Supreme Court is all you need to see to understand the gravity of what unfolded in Washington this past week while the court may decide to do a presidential election in the last quarter century and Dawn who could legally marry whom draft week Monday night suggesting Roe versus Wade could soon be overturned this day for decades elicited an emotional intensity even deeper and more broadly across the US, most Americans, the vast majority will. It's the only Supreme Court decision that's dominated Supreme Court confirmation hearings in presidential elections for decades, University of California, Davis, law professor Mary Ziegler what is the legal reasoning underpinning the overturning of the legal reasoning comes down to the idea that the court says that there are only a limited subset of rights that are recognized in our Constitution and those are ones that have been deeply rooted in our nations tradition and history explains that intensity for so many wondering if one long-established protection is overturn what snacks we don't know if this court is stop with reversing Roe. We know that there are at least some justices on the court would like to reverse a whole variety of other decisions on issues from criminalizing same-sex sex to banning same-sex marriage. Somebody says to you. Relax.

This is a slippery slope. I say it's unpredictable and I say that if you had spoken to many Americans. Five years ago and said Roe V Wade would be overturned in any county. Barrett's first abortion decision on the Supreme Court, they would've said well that's ridiculous right that's politically unnecessary and risky for a court that's reputation has Artie been damaged and yet here we are.

See this coming saw coming.

The possibility that the court might overturn Rober Farber for about a week as president of the nonpartisan national Constitution Center Jeffrey Rosen won't take a side on what the draft says but he's wavering in his criticism of how we found courts entering the liberations or its most sacrosanct product and it's impossible for court to function early drafts week the leak is no sideshow distraction from the main issues, it's a grave threat to how the court works in private so justices have room to recast, rework and revise their opinions of the many motives around, but one is that after five justices voted to overturn the weighted Chief Justice Roberts is now trying to convince some of them to change their mind to join him in a more moderate leaker is try to make it harder for any swing justices to peel off the Supreme Court for years to go in the courts highly partisan era, often traced back to hearings for conservative judge Robert Bork Robert Bork's America is a land in which women would be forced into back alley abortions. Rosen says Roberts mission has been to broker opinions that reflect consensus favoring one decision so much more than five before Chief Justice Robertson got to be narrow, we have to be modest. We have to be incremental or will run the risk of a tremendous threat to our legitimacy, but that's the opposite of what we find ourselves this Sunday morning with the court. Quite possibly close to an expansive sweeping decision overturn a protection that's been in place for half a century one Americans feel strongly about law professor Mary Ziegler, the courtesan historically not been that untethered from what people tend to think, especially when the court is inserting itself into virtually every major issue of the day from guns to affirmative action to abortion and to the rights of LGBT people to voting rights to the regulation of climate change and in the corners is literally in every conversation were having and its operating lease. We haven't seen in the recent past, but as Americans have repeat we learned the last few years.

The recent past is no longer the best guide to how will function in the future.

This will be something that professors of constitutional law on any professors of any kind of law will be talking about probably four more than 100 years from this conversation is to take out with preacher Gary this week. Stephen law alive. Mitch McConnell and one of Washington's biggest midterm monument list for me to set races you think Republicans have the best chance of taking a democratic seed with Nevada not Georgia. Georgia is right up there with New Hampshire's surprised New Hampshire people really just kind of don't like you have more from this week's conversation, follow the take out with Maj. Garrett on Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts now streaming based progress and crazy time once final point is when people in the best way to protect good people is to convict final season Millstream from correspondent Elaine Quijano now treat in every sense of the word okay stores California strip. Mostly this monitoring don't we delight beyond the rows of glazed chocolate and sprinkles different kind of richness stories of the Americans behind the counter roughly 80% of shops in California well over by Cambodian refugee family. Soon the streets were choked with refugees stream they arrived in America in the late 1970s and early 80s seeking safety as the communist Khmer Rouge committed genocide in Cambodia's killing field. Millions were executed or disappeared.

Many escapes settled in California and found her doughnut shop right after the genocide Teresa and go green Keystone family has owned doughnut stores since the 1980 beginning once again the language and you have family that often your job anything you know they've been doing it, but all I so and sometimes a few generation at a time. There were a lot of resources that really offered to refugees and so they had to figure out how they can support each other. Aaron Curtis is an LA historian victim is busy in the narrative are California has had a long history of culture and more famous. I would argue, in the last 40 years or so came in and expanded culture fair to say as part of American culture that absolutely culture, which now includes Cambodian storeowners by offensive for cheaper boxes which doesn't doughnuts perfectly move not only save thousands of dollars. It also created an icon I probably learned how to box.

Dorothy Chow manages it doughnut supply company, the daughter of Cambodian refugees.

She grew up working in several of her parents stores and considers herself while 13 all Dragon part of something bigger. I am part. Our parents have been on a need all the help that they could shop and we were there to help them whenever we can worry, which is now being unboxed.com shared experience in the area. American funds when is a Cambodian American artist who came to America as a refugee lot of the work are portraits in her exhibit doughnut hole, self-help graphics and art in Los Angeles. She uses it pink doughnut box stead of the white canvas to capture a taste of the Cambodian American refugee experience can throw a cardboard box underneath the sweet of the doughnut is actually intergenerational trauma and pain funds are focuses in large part on the second generation.

She juxtaposes childhood images of doughnut kids with the portraits of the adults they've become. Only this generation morning states to tell their parents love. We want to argue you never had the time to even think about what you've been through and we want to take this time to honor your story because you didn't have the time to write about it. One of her portraits.

Dorothy Chow when you saw your portrait I a sense of pride. Maybe for the first time I felt like growing up in America.

Child finally being now as an adult.

Dorothy herself sees things differently like the pink boxes she was folded as a little girl you boxes are an example of the refugee here in America. Dr. Ray Romano rose to fame thanks to the hip. Everybody loves Raymond, and among those who love him. His former boss, producer Phil Rosenthal.

They talk with our Dr. John the Polk about food television and friendship seem to be trying to get what they really seem to be going so my face so Rosenthal is one of the best job in the world all the creator and store Netflix somebody dancing travels almost everywhere and eats just about everything when it is very cold will place on the earth try to get you to come, thereby showing you the best places there to eat hello sir, I take it you've done this, no.

Please no more mind expanding travel literally changes your way of thinking changes your perspective wherever I am in the world.

It's time to go out to my wife. We don't know where to go textile hi Paul and his buddy Ray Romano met in 1996 when reason for created road and was executive producer of everybody loves Raymond from New York set up 10 meetings with potential short runners. I was told the truth that you were this one with the first guy turned to go know why I know I totally know for nine seasons on CBS give you the whole which is how the idea for Rosenthal's current travel shall give him 25 years ago while they were making the sitcom, I can say it's his fault. I asked them what to do on your hiatus that break between season one season to remember you're going to have you ever been to Europe. He said what I said why not voices part of life so so where we send him with really interested in other cultures to episodes. Romano stated lack of desire to travel beyond love Jersey shore and his eventual transformation Raymond first notices of beautiful flowers and then you're walking alone by yourself. You run two kids were picking comes my way and I try to get it back and play with around my favorite ever done on the show.

And finally, Raymond buys a slice of real Italian pizza. So what everything I love about how your mind literally get straight. It's like they know how to live.

He thinks it's beautiful here know what happened in the episode. What happened to you in real life we stated and we flew to Sicily to visit my wife's hometown. So we spent a week in this little village in the mountainside. The stuff we did in that episode I was living in real life. We were in a car this big. They were feeding us from their food they grew you know it's just seeing goodness from people who don't look like you sound like you know there's like this common denominator that you realize people are good all over. So I see this and I think what if I could do this to other people. Rosenthal held onto the idea and started his travel and food show in 2018.

Everything I think Otis you ever asked producer something first and when something is amazing.

I share with her right.

It's also secret to why my 400 pounds because I taste everything up for nothing.

Share especially fond of the shift. He met Tyler Michelin stored shack unbelievable crap. There's like a pound dollars and it show African wishes to proceed America because it would be prohibited it would be $300 just finished a book published by Simon & Schuster division of, globally, to document his travels in the best recipes he's discovered these artisans. These craftsmen take such care brought it's there national heritage, their personal family history that's in every bite of the food you're getting and I swear to you taste Romano in the decades since everybody loves Raymond jump up on my back and relax all way he is continue to act in comedies and dramas that makes no difference to me and he just finished directing and starring in the drama the cold somewhere in Queens, which he also cowrote once again drawing on memories of his family yell and scream wow yeah is that love underneath it Is a bond that can't be broken which also perfectly describes Ray Romano's bond with Phil Rosenthal for the talk story which proves winning isn't everything. Not long ago, friends and fans gathered to pay their final respects to one of the most unlikely celebrities and sports zippy chippy sippy love being a racehorse just wasn't very good at and farcical as it may look forever unofficial zippy fan club president Roseanne Prairie says this memorial is hardly talk to some people but the people that know the real story constantly heartbroken zippy chippy was born into a racing Royal is the grandson of Kentucky Derby winner northern dance to one of the all-time greats only at the start of every race, he just would've started his ship zippy never quite understood why everybody was in such a rush lost every race. He was over 100/101 time he lost to a minor-league baseball that cemented his reputation as the resource. This is be back in 2000 with his owner (Felix Mansa Roddy Felix died a few years ago, but he never gave up on the source is my son. I like him a lot going with the zippy lived out the last leg of his life here at the old friends at cabin Creek retirement farm in upstate New York.

He died last month at the age of 31 and is now being celebrated. Finally, as the winter that he was wellness and not a single person even mentioned his racing record. Quite the contrary. In a sport that winning is everything sippy taught us that losing is a normal thing people see themselves and zippy. I think we all see ourselves in sippy because it was always in these terms, whatever sippy wanted sippy did Kentucky Derby. All that matters is sippy reminds us there's more to life than running for the roses, but sometimes it's better to just stop and smell POTUS Washington shorthand for president of the United States is now on Broadway not the POTUS.

Of course, but a funny new shell about the women behind a fictional commander-in-chief reader braver has our front row seat me while scrambling to serve one incompetent lecturer is award winner Julie White please the White House Chief of Staff headliner Vanessa Williams is the president's wife your loyalty to my husband's will, and I hope you continue to feel fulfilled by your choice of trading youth and beauty for life of service to him. The president never handed everyone but William says her character has made to stay lately knows what her husband absolutely it can be reflective of what a lot of women who have been in that space had to deal with choice of staying in the marriage when you know that everybody knows the reality of what happened in the marriage dalliance with dust late-night Emmy award winner Juliann position position discrete, but she soon realizes she got hoodwinked along with everyone else. I think there was some belief in hand. I was like a charm. Like when you first date somebody in on their best behavior, comedians, White House Press Secretary Chris R. White House reporter is played by Broadway between Lily Cooper, who also happens to be on your nursing mom both on stage and real life. I mean your scrap. I strapping it on and I think it adds to the chaos of being a working mom is finding time to pump while you're at work crazy as being a working mom it's hard it's really hard and I think it's kind of taken for granted that we just do it. Linda Lorrie Orange is the new black steam plays a different type of working woman. She's the president's jailbird drug dealing sister you Press Secretary.

Her old flame Karen yeah yeah Susie knock more I play and I play girlfriends's so yeah that's a lot of fun to kiss both these girls night live alum Rachel Gratz is the president's mousy secretary trying to change her image like that a lot just like super fun. I Broadway Broadway debut.

All of these colorful characters come directly from the imagination of playwright Selena Dillinger making her Broadway debut to all. She grew up in Oregon and studied playwriting at Northwestern. We were having this series of headlines basically about powerful men abusing their power without saying they always had the circle of women around them. You know that were always defending them or enabling them what's going on. I became fascinated with what those women daily lives look like.

I'm sure a lot of people see this plan. Wonder, is there a particular president you are trying to skewer.

It's an amalgamation of so many of them by giving it the story that you could put in so many institutions so many companies so many schools so many homes in bringing your display to life is a director who broke through Broadway's Glass ceiling five-time Tony award winner Susan Stroman you read the script before you knew how old she is found out I couldn't believe it says a lot about women not only can they be funny without a man around, but also the idea of the show about women in charge to do something this fantastic and have that room just filled with estrogen just women just women being created, being funny in the lead in the power in working together with completely different process that I've ever been involved with before. In terms of creating something new and boy do they use their power.

Everyone loves Vanessa Williams and yet here you are playing lady McBeth with Yahoo is widely accomplished and deeply effective. All other thing about women. You Google women aren't funny when like you know likely never crossed my mind.

We're not going to give away what we women triumphantly in the cast members say their main goal is to bring some fun into these troubled times started laughing on this Mother's Day thoughts from their businesswoman and mom Gwyneth Paltrow.

I remember the morning my daughter Apple came into the world. I thought this incredible rush of love. It was so shocking that I asked my mother. Do you love me this much. It reframe completely hi son mother head when my son Moses is born two years later I expected to follow the same emotional template, but for the first several months I experience postpartum depression. I was overwhelmed by all of the feelings most acutely same, even though I knew then and I know now that Moses would light up my life. My experience of motherhood in those early days was different, but in hindsight I can see how many things were exactly the same. I love them both so so much. I wondered who they would become. I sang to them.

And of course I like thereabouts a lot which brings me to my next point. I never had to think about the cost of diapers. Never once, until recently when my team.

It brought it up. We were talking about the diaper tax despite the absolute necessity of diapers in 33 states their tax like a luxury good, depending on the state sales tax can add between 1.5 and 7% to their cost. This makes diapers, the fourth highest household expense for many low income families. If you can. I hope you had to group to learn more on my mind today and something else. Apple is now a week shy of turning 18. She's going off to college in the fall. Yes, it's been that long since he was in diapers when they say goes by fast.

I'm here to tell you it's true.

If you have kids in your life. I hope you can spend some time with them today.

I'll be here enjoying my family's tradition of making the kids prepare Mother's Day brunch. There are few Washington insiders as inside as David Gergen. He served for presidents, Republicans and Democrats alike. He shares reflections on lessons learned with Robert Costa. Is it possible to be a David Gergen today to serve presidents of different partners.

There are a lot of people going between R&D.

A lot of people start David Gergen may be a battle tested veteran of decades spent advising presidents, Republicans and Democrats. Gergen, who turns 80 tomorrow doesn't hold back. When asked to describe the state of democracy in 2022. We can't continue on the raw census that Apple has a sensor were like a car died on the edge of a cliff of rain falling and no headlights sound alarmist. Well, consider the source. David Gergen remains a Washington legend for his clear and steady appraisal of the times.

Having guided presidents Nixon, Ford, Reagan and Clinton through critical moments in US history. You step back and look at all this is America in a political crisis or moral crisis? I really honestly believe these are moral questions. Ultimately, Gergen is reaching out to those who share his concerns with the new book parts taught with fire published by CBS parent company Paramount global Simon & Schuster. It's a call for new younger generation of leaders to seize the reins and to learn from someone who was so often in the room where it happened. Take me in the room with Richard Nixon. What's a lesson from your time with Nixon that applies today. Nixon was a strategist for the also have control and they eventually took always remember others maybe those who hate you don't win unless you then you destroy yourself as wonderful images is Nixon getting on the helicopter and that night in Washington. Life went on. What exactly where I was there on the lawn so of the transition of power worked in August 19 749 on January 6, 2021 I think that is just a measure how much we change you work for Republican present your faith and leader McCarthy and leader McConnell. I'm looking forward to the day, which I think will call when Republican Party will balance the Republicans not just dealing with an ideological battle have a former president is still on the march politically in this country pushing lie, but there are various signs, no power structure and charge that armor to fall off a little bit more ragged now for Gergen's call for new leadership includes our current president.

Your book says it's time for the current generation of leaders. Frankly, to get out. There are some wonderful people is as generation Pres. Biden should he run again in 2024 is an active leader with the same message apply in the house and the Senate leader. McConnell Speaker Pelosi. They might say to you, David. We might be near 80.

But we can still do the job. We don't need to go probably more than 20 years Gergen has taught leadership at Harvard's John F. Kennedy school of Government, like the school's namesake Gergen is a Navy veteran and sees military service as a character forming crucible something missing from the lives of so many today believe young people are craving some kind of tough experiments on leadership. Yes, I do and I think you see parking codes and coming back. I think we see the climate movement with number we see you Lala overseas and the other string I would call your attention to our young black women who were occupying the hard ground and on things like black lives matter in the me to move just down the street here in Cambridge at Harvard. You have so many ambitious students or saying I have to go into the private sector. A lot of young people feel like they don't have the time and ability to do national service. There are people we haven't offered a very big way. Women encourage people to go back to remember a predecessor organization and conservation Corps. Lighting is another important conservation measure with 250,000 in the woods with proper programming people sure when they're young, they tend to come back to after years of serving presidents David Gergen now hopes to shape future ones. And while his eyes are fixed on tomorrow's leaders. The lessons of the past are always close at hand write about that picture JFK leaning over the just yes or leadership models are evolving that Kennedy really was. That was a great man. You and a picture of it dusk lonely figure.

The burden of the world on his shoulders Obama. From my point of view, the iconic picture of the Obama presidency down the situation room were closing in on some and are always people surrounding him all of his advisors. We move from a singular person theory leadership to more collective action. Constructive collaboration becomes essential in a really complicated world moving so quickly.

Leadership can be tough. It can be very tough, but you can't forget the essentials go back to the Greeks and Romans character capability and courage. Things are still necessary day hundreds of years later you for listening.

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