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This is Sunday morning for generations of Americans, and spend conventional wisdom a college education is the key to success. The best path to a better job home in life.

In 1940 less than 5% of us finished college. Today that number is nearly 40%, but too often, along with a degree come sometimes staggering financial debt does college still deliver the American dream.

Our David Pogue hits the books.

She is 28 and carries a six-figure college debt at common thing that people be paying for nearly their entire life. You think that might happen to absolutely but now big employers are starting to really become an unnecessary obstacle people who actually have the right skills training are five times more likely to succeed in the job the people of a college degree is counterintuitive is the high cost of higher education worth it. Coming up on Sunday morning. Shahar is a Andres and director Ron Howard are both masters of their craft. Tracy Smith talks with them about their collaboration to help people in need shaft chef José Andres has fed thousands of people in need, but he didn't want to be in a movie about it until Ron Howard convinced him and I said to degeneracy Apollo 13.

This is what I love our teams coming together in solving a problem right here.

The kitchen area and helping people who are going through hell, like those in Ukraine makes a hell of a story on chef José Andres and director Ron Howard head on Sunday morning. Anthony Mason catches up with Lake Wobegon's founding father Garrison Keillor Tony a couple will be talking with Saturday Night Live's weekend update anchor comedian Michael J and more.

This is Sunday morning May 15, 2022 and will be back after this relations, graduates college commencement season and we wish all the best of the class of 2022.

But this also seems to be the right time to ask the tough question was it worth all that money all that hard work. David Pogue has our crash course 28-year-old Keira cheated the government lives in a basement apartment with her boyfriend in San Francisco and stresses about her college loans to bad up to around 1987, $280,000. Yeah, Jeannie followed the classic recipe for success. She graduated from Penn State but now she's facing down decades of debt. Have you ever tried to figure out if I put aside this much a month. This is the year will pay off those $280,000. That made a call. I've always thought of when the lottery of the and Cheney's not alone. 43 million Americans carry student debt they owe the government more than $1.7 trillion in about two thirds of all graduates leave college carrying debt.

Many will work their entire careers without being able to pay it off.

No wonder college debt has become a White House priority can't go I've misplaced different dinners and can't take as much trips they want their budget size affect us. One reason for the crisis. Skyrocketing tuition. Another reason more people going to college in the first place. In the early 1960s only about 8% of Americans have a college degree and now it's getting close to 40%.

How so it's a big difference. You were pretty special. In the 1960s.

If you had a college degree. Peter Cappelli is a professor of management at the University of Pennsylvania's Wharton school of business, but you are also the author of a book relevant for a top today will college payoff.

That's right will college payoff. It depends is no doubt the going to college is incredibly useful for people in terms of improving their lives. When everybody is interested in more is financially. Is this a good investment with a payoff and that you be better off than in a high school graduate if they graduate.

If they don't trouble is, most students don't. The astonishing statistic is that only 40% of full-time college students graduate in four years less than that lesson have an even if you pause your schooling, your debt keeps right on growing.

If it takes you six years to graduate you got six years of interest accumulation.

So the old formula spent four years in college financial security is no longer a sure thing. I'm applying for the addition of user experience design new formulas are springing up in its place. Nothing is ever set in stone.

Whether you want to let go to college or go straight to the workforce. Everything's changing the Tosh and Stephanie Ramos, and their father, hobby, or live in Connecticut. Tosh avoided massive debt by starting her college career. Inexpensively two years at a community college and finishing it a state college Connecticut university student that is way better than private school student debt so I'll just leave it at that. Stephanie attends a vocational high school, where students can learn tree carpentry plumbing or hairdressing, but she's taking a shortcut to the corporate world thanks to the Google professional certification program providing you with job ready skills distort or advance your career in IT for $39 a month she can take video classes to prepare her for a career in technology and the courses give you a certification at the end that looks very good for employers or for college is whatever route you want to take. By the time you're done with high school, you'd be in the working world.

It 18 years old do you put any pressure on her one way or another for financial reasons. I for point Cornish certain porn is usually is will seems to be working in your family. Thank God looks very complicated Google program has already placed 75,000 workers into well-paying tech jobs at over 150 companies that are eager to hire them. Meanwhile, opportunities are opening up on the receiving end to 80% of what we call family sustaining jobs, $60,000 or more. Generally speaking, require a four-year degree and so companies screen out people no matter what their intelligence is their curiosity. Their work ethic their adaptability. But if you don't have enough people to fill all the jobs that we need in this country. I think we have to re-examine Ken Frazier is the executive chairman and former CEO of Merck Jeannie remedy is the former CEO of IBM, they let a drive to eliminate the college requirement from as many of their companies job descriptions as possible.

When I became CEO in 2012 we looked at every single job and said, do we need a college degree. To start we translate into a set of skills you need. So it started is over 90% of jobs needed because every is now less than 50%. For example, lab techs and things of that nature. They don't necessarily need a degree in philosophy in order to do the job obviously are not doing this just because it's the right thing to do.

There must be something in it for the corporations. Absolutely this is not philanthropy at the end of the day to people who you can retain longer because they're incredibly loyal, hard-working, you can access them for a lot less money and our data has shown that their performance is equal to those with a four-year degree.

But wait a minute. A college degree means you know how to apportion your time you learn to communicate with others does, but there are studies that show that people who actually have the right skills training are five times more likely to succeed in the job.

The people have a college degree is counterintuitive, are you anti-college. Are you saying that we are actually not anti-college at all, is about just recognizing you may start to go a different path than someone else. You know college is lots of value beyond just getting a job.

We think education is a good thing for people broadens the perspectives on the world and what we see in these kinds of programs is eventually a substantial majority of people go on and get a college degree. They just didn't get the college degree before they entered the workplace as a question of sequence, not a question of capability to scale up this idea remedy and Frazier have bounded 110, a coalition of 60 major employers and counting 110 came from the proposition that it would be useful if we sought to hire 1 million black Americans who lack a four-year college degree over 10 years into family sustaining jobs coalition works with community colleges, job training organizations and apprenticeships persuading them to train young people for precisely the kinds of jobs that need doing ready calls them new collar jobs in our country is a stereotype of white-collar color and we can open a new collar something different to say no, no, no, this is something new.

New programs new sequences new collar workers for some careers. It's all part of a new wave of alternative paths that don't involve college or college debt.

As for Keira Chidi. She has a long-range plan really want to go to law school.

If I consider making higher money that I can afford my monthly payments so what is college worth it for you and I had fun in college. It was great experience by the lifetime of living with an so hard. That's a difficult question is rituals.

Most will make you do crazy things know those legs of the Great Lakes crazy it's fair to say before each of our Sunday mornings there is a Saturday night Tony to Coble gets an update from SNL's Michael Cheney is the longest running sketch on Saturday Night Live and you're not weekend update some of companies greatest stars have taken a work as host, but no one has got it quite like Shay would be in this year along with M&M Lionel Richie and Carly Simon with the question is rock 'n' roll along with: chose to eat seasons and counting chaise now half of the longest-serving news team in SNL history. According to official that the CDC, the first case of Ebola in the US has been diagnosed in Texas and according to web date already have your looking for no you want to make fun of guys like me on a weekly basis whose's for you feel like when you got there.

You had arrived and you fit or did you feel like at any moment something tapping on the shoulders excuse me sir, you don't belong. I still feel the moments on the shoulders still is a very lucky thing you saw him found out God. Shay is also one of SNL's are a voice behind sketches like Jeopardy golf in 2016 with Tom Hanks is a white guy from the sound a lot in common is test girls for two student women can do this for you. What is not in later this month. She will new series is in season to show that Michael J really featuring more signature mix of what's funny happened also true. A person of color a could you stop calling those colored people in person saying saying that we put the colors black scholars black fine, his magic trick.

I think it's trying to make you love something you see every day or don't see you wouldn't expect to get that emotional matter really right to support what will Michael J.

Campbell grew up in public housing on New York's Lower East side was raised poor black child was a Martin know.

I know my child was the youngest of seven of the work three jobs.

Paris was separated not yet divorced, very poor. When you realize you knew how to make people laugh.

Maybe in school.

Serious and I realize.

Surely this was funny to people like the grown-ups because of inquisitive child can really knock you hills and young Michael Shea was indeed named after that other famous Che the controversial revolutionary Che Guevara fitting you might save for a sometimes controversial comedian.

I like it for maybe a very toxic reason controversy brings people talking things long as people are talking is not all matter controversial statement lives. Jesus stand up is about black lives matter and of course it's occasional counterpart. All lives matter all lives matter really semantics your wife came up was like do you love me baby Rowley schedule was chaise first love might be found on a recent visit back to Caroline's comedy club in New York is great probably still his deepest as well when you're as excited about what you're saying as they are, it feels good, and stand up is what got shade SNL after: Joe spotted Shay on a stage like this one, and invited him on as a guest writer.

Che went on to become the first black anchor of weekend update and first black haired writer in the show's history is being me always says those titles don't carry much weight with him. I don't know a black and so you tell me the world tells you your black the world those of Europe or the world tells you your successful world tells you all these things when you wake up thinking about just trying to grow up and killed a little bit happy.

That's all you looking for everybody else tells you what you are who you represent, and Che recently said this would be his last season with SNL city will no longer require bars and restaurants to pretend to look at vaccination now says he's not really sure we live thing is vaccine mandate for indoor dining and events. Finally said the next variant was a standup boy as well.

I want to let us know what road is expressly I am quitting is no ideal system. I'd like to divorced comedies much is just being a consolation.

It's the whole dream come true. As you know, this design is fully backs really and it just 38 years old. It's a dream, Michael J plans to hold on because the very thing was free America see Michael J right here stage like this lifer look like or what I like to do tonight tree Barry mar all my goodness, I want to tell you about our new shout to his knees and each episode, weekly, gastric and other quirky find inspiring and informative stories that exist because well maybe you do to friends and newest interior design trend Barbie car to the right and wrong way to wash her arm. Also getting the things that you just kind of will probably not able to do in daytime television.

So watch out. Tristan is ever you get your podcast on the got.

This is intelligence matters with former acting Dir. of the CIA. Michael Morel bridge Colby is cofounder and principal of the Marathon initiative project focused on developing strategies to prepare the United States for an era of sustained great power competition states put her mind to something, we can usually figure it out what people are saying and what we can know analytically and purely as our strategic situation or situations not being matched up follow.

Intelligence matters were ever you get your podcasts almost from the start of Russia's invasion of Ukraine chef José Andres and his team have been on the front lines fighting back with warm meals and director Ron Howard has been capturing it all on film. Tracy Smith shares a recipe for hope in the sea of despair that is Ukraine.

Here is a lifeline.

José Andres in his world central kitchen has been on the ground for months feeding thousands of Ukrainians whose lives have been upended by the war. How much are you back-and-forth these days when I being more than 40 some days and for not all that I'm usual for the past 12 years, Andres has brought his not-for-profit kitchen to the front lines of catastrophe they've served more than 16 million meals. You never know from earthquake ravaged Haiti will not hurricane battered Houston Ukraine different. It's the first time chef Andres and his people have operated in a war zone right here. The kitchen area on April 16 a missile hit one of your kitchens, how is everyone well. The people that were we was in the kitchen we had for wounded persons on the went to the things God everybody was funny. Tristan is fairly slow them down and our software was unbelievable that restaurant. Ask hold that the members what do you want to do this you we want to keep five drive to keep serving against all odds is the subject of the documentary streaming this month on Disney class called we feed people from director Ron Howard, is it tough for you as a documentarian to remain detached from this, I wasn't really trying to be detached.

I was trying to share what I was learning and experiencing and feeling. We will be there feeling apparently is contagious. The camera crews shooting footage for the film would often put down their cameras and start helping out.

I said okay I get it infectious. The spirit but will have so many shooting days. We needed that regional had to what we need some more often than not, was always the way they became part of the life is not a movie itself. Life is real.

Pain is real suffering on what we have to lose it's been every single second trying to relieve people from those hormones are going through. It's hard to imagine how he finds the time the Spanish born Andres is also a wildly successful restaurateur, with nearly 2 dozen restaurants or food trucks from coast-to-coast but is world central kitchen has become his calling card. He started it in 2010. After the Haiti earthquake.

Andres and his team will typically salvage whatever is left of restaurant kitchens on the ground and using locals, recipes, work with them to make comfort food for thousands.

You know I love to both of these places because I always hated the best of humanity usually shows up in the wars moments of humanity and what I get the inspiration I get from everyone of the woods and Legion members by the new people that join us in the middle of the chaos these domains.

I gave I would never be able to call my phone to see you embrace for the chef for a brief moment in New York City. He was on his way to Spain and eventually to Ukraine again on how it says he was drawn to José Andres's unbelievable story. At first the chef doing the film, worried that it be all about hesitant this is really world central kitchen. I want a camera following me around trying to tell the José story Howard managed to convince by bringing up once made Houston, we have a problem. I said to degeneracy Apollo 13 Apollo 13.

You recall, was about an explosion aboard a spacecraft. This is what I love our teams coming together in solving a problem.

I want this more in the people on the ground, gave their all to bring me home alive. Find a way to make this fit into the hall nothing but that Apollo 13 is also the movie that got Ron Howard interested in telling real life stories even though an early test screening. One of the audience members actually thought Howard had no member Caucasian male rated poor wooden recommended terrible more Hollywood bowl with two! They would never survive three! I really didn't know was a true story and to him. It was hokey and I thought this is why you choose the subject's.

This is why you tell a story based on relevance because you choose a subject where you say how the hell could that have happened to me that's a great question for world central kitchen.

How the hell could this really. I know that very often people thing we do the impossible possible. I would love to tell you that. But we do. We are the only people capable these is far away from the truth. What we delusional so special. Of course, makes them special is that step up to help next week. Tomorrow right now. Why do you think it works. I know you say we don't have meetings we don't make announcements, we just go we say with them blind is because every hour you are planning for something one hour, you are missing being on the ground feeling people on sometimes you say what you need to organize to start feeling people well not really, you can always be driving you may decide to make right to make left you will know if you're taking the right form. But let me tell you one thing, my friend, you will only be able to torn right to left, you are moving forward is never wrong decision in an emergency. If actually you are making things happen because you have the next day to read the decision at the end is always good because you are moving your driving for you are meeting the name is forever linked to a small town located in our collective imagination that radio Houston writer Garrison Keillor tells Anthony Mason the news from Lake Wobegon is a bit more complicated these days crowded theater in Denver Colorado earlier this month, traveled from all Florida to see a review of Prairie home Keillor posted on radio some 40 years, Garrison would mark the return of nouns Keillor characters of the show's imaginary sponsor and of nostalgic tales from the fictional speak of Prairie home companion reach more than 4 million listeners more than 700 radio station so Keillor retired from the radio show in 2016. It's a comfort to become a tourist in old age and enjoy my irrelevance eroding his recent book serenity at 70 gaiety at 80 you will become an octogenarian in August because you lose your mission with still love your work.

So to blush. Keillor has never stopped writing in his latest Lake Wobegon book town. The author returns to the community. He invented the people who correct to what took search of something new one will go through your left drunken moves, corruption one. How do you answer when they say left out the alcoholism and the adultery corrected but appreciated correction, but Keillor's plans for aging gracefully have been clouded by me to accusations that surfaced just after his retirement with mobile under the flight bowlers through our bulletins. I'm in favor of flooding, one month so you said basically that you felt you were a victim of injustice and good cause.

Well, I would really are victims in the fall of 2017. Keillor was accused of sexual misconduct by a female colleague Minnesota Public radio. The distributor of his show cut ties with Keillor.

Effective immediately. There some people were to be not happy that we are sitting talking to your problem. Five years later he is making no apologies, and there are some people who felt they didn't see on your part. Enough reflection or regret.

What would you said about mutual hugging flirtation thousands of people before but hopefully more conditions, a warning that you should not you should not with a female: extension should never put your calling ever. You could argue based on emails that you released but it was more than friendship: what would you call, but Minnesota Public radio found a pattern of improper behavior after the woman, a researcher for the show accused Keillor of dozens of sexually inappropriate incidents. She also accused him of three instances of unwanted touching. According to the Minneapolis Star Tribune in his defense. The married Keillor shared hundreds of emails with the woman with the newspaper in one they reported he imagined them having sex on an airplane. Later he imagined them naked in bed in his hotel room.

She replied that the image of us lying together is sweet before a settlement was reached.

The woman told the Associated Press through her attorney, but Keillor was her mentor and employer, adding he had power over me every time I said no or tried to avoid him. I feared I was saying no to my future in a new statement to CBS News. Her attorney said our client disputes assertions that there was a mutual attraction or consent grateful person walk up on do you think you crossed the line in any way that relationship but but do you know if so, across the lawn and away if you were to dismiss everybody else who could cross the line. There would be no love there would be no management whatsoever. Culture change the culture to culture.

Keillor reached a settlement and signed a confidentiality agreement with, a person should #away your run till your side of the store. Perhaps his greatest anger, though, was directed at Minnesota Public radio. I work for the company for 40 years and I was dismissed with a phone call phone call took about a minute, there was no phone to already retired or lost deal closer call Keillor doesn't spend much time in his native Minnesota anymore. You think motion toward my wife wants to bring. He does occasionally one man shows mostly in smaller cities meet to issues don't seem to deter his audience. I do not doubt but I completely doubt the season season ain't done yet. I guess what I'm asking is you feel like you been unfairly tarred by this month about one reputation with public you care about. I don't friend a certain number of people who still love here about what more does one want to thank you for listening. Please join us when our trumpet sounds again next Sunday morning and crazy to its final season.

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